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T-Bag
09-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Thought Katrina had a bad influence on gas? Rita looks like she's gonna be even more of a *****


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Remember when gas spiked to $3-plus a gallon after Hurricane Katrina? By this time next week, that could seem like the good old days.

Weather and energy experts say that as bad as Hurricane Katrina hit the nation's supply of gasoline, Hurricane Rita could be worse.

Katrina damage was focused on offshore oil platforms and ports. Now the greater risk is to oil-refinery capacity, especially if Rita slams into Houston, Galveston and Port Arthur, Texas.

"We could be looking at gasoline lines and $4 gas, maybe even $5 gas, if this thing does the worst it could do," said energy analyst Peter Beutel of Cameron Hanover. "This storm is in the wrong place. And it's absolutely at the wrong time," said Beutel.

Michael Schlacter, chief meteorologist at Weather 2000, said Rita now appears most likely to hit between Port Arthur and Corpus Christi, Texas, sometime between Friday afternoon and Saturday morning.

Just about all of Texas's refinery capacity lies in that at-risk zone. (For a look at CNN.com's coverage of Hurricane Rita, click here.)

"There is no lucky 7-10 split scenario to use a bowling analogy," he said. "If you're [a refiner] within 200 miles, you're going to feel the effect."

Compounding Katrina's impact
When Katrina hit, 15 refineries, nearly all in Louisiana and Mississippi, with a combined capacity of about 3.3 million barrels a day were shut down or damaged, according to the Energy Department. That represented almost 20 percent of U.S. refining capacity.

Within a week, almost two-thirds of that damaged capacity had resumed some operations, according to the department. But four refineries with nearly 900,000 barrels a day of capacity are still basically shut down.

If Rita hits both the Houston-Galveston area, as well as the Port Arthur-Beaumont region near the Texas-Louisiana border, that could take out more than 3 million barrels of capacity a day, according to Bob Tippee, editor of the industry trade journal Oil & Gas Journal in Houston.

"Before Katrina, the system was already so tight that the worst-case scenario was for a disruption that took 250,000 barrels of capacity out of the picture. That would have been considered a major jolt," said Tippee.

"We're already in uncharted territory now. We can't project what happens from another shot the size of Katrina or worse."

Part of the problem is that skilled crews needed to make refinery repairs are already busy trying to fix the Katrina damage. That would extend recovery time from Rita.

"[Rita] could have a significant impact on supply and prices -- this really is a national disaster," Valero Energy (Research) CEO Bill Greehey in an interview with Reuters Tuesday evening.

Gas not the only concern
Problems could spread beyond the gas pumps.

Tippee said that natural-gas prices could see a further spike, since so many of the offshore platforms off of Texas produce natural gas, not crude oil.

And while gasoline imports have helped bring gas prices down from record highs, there isn't as much potential for heating-oil imports, he noted.

"Gasoline tends to obscure everything, especially since we aren't paying heating bills right now," said Tippee. "But we were already looking at a winter fuel problem. We're about to take another hit that will cause a lot of problems."

Schlacter said even the oil platforms off the Louisiana Gulf Coast, which are not likely to take a direct hit from Rita, could be affected by large waves churning up the Gulf of Mexico as the storm passes to the south. Waves of as much as 40 to 50 feet could hit the platforms off the Texas Coast, he estimated.

Tippee said that production across the Gulf is already being affected by oil companies pulling workers off platforms ahead of the storm. And it's not just domestic oil being interrupted.

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP), the nation's largest gateway for overseas oil, stopped accepting deliveries of its 1.2 million barrels of oil a day Wednesday afternoon due to high seas, LOOP spokeswoman Barb Hesterman told Reuters. She said the disruption was expected to be "for a short time."

But if Katrina is any guide, it could take several days after Rita passes for production to resume even at oil and gas platforms that escape damage.

"There were several days where if you could have gotten out to the platform, you could have started it back up, but you couldn't find the boats or helicopters you needed to get back to the platforms," he said.

STEALTHZR2
09-21-2005, 06:11 PM
****!!! I HATE THIS CRAP. :fire :fire

Nix
09-21-2005, 06:52 PM
This is phucking bullsh!t. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

T-Bag
09-21-2005, 07:08 PM
I just went and filled up at 2.67...the gas clerk pretty much said exactly what I just posted.

Pantera99GS
09-21-2005, 07:36 PM
If we're this reliant on local oil companies- how come do our prices go all crazy whenever there's "tension" in the middle east too?

With the way our hurricane season is going, I wouldnt expect gas prices to come down for long after this either. I want my CRX back!!

animal
09-21-2005, 08:27 PM
Meh, I think part of that may be chicken little talking.

Sure kat brought it up very high, but in two weeks it was down almost the price of that initial hike. I'm not saying it'll go up, but I think part of that is typical news coverage blowing things out of proportion.

T-Bag
09-21-2005, 08:47 PM
Trust me...most of the major refineries are in texas. they WILL get shut down unless this hurricane suddenly decides to take out the mexicans. Which mean gas prices are going to skyrocket for awhile, and more so than what they did with Katrina.

Here I am, Rocked you like a hurricane is the theme song of the gulf cost.

deciuss
09-21-2005, 08:58 PM
there where lines at the gass stations today when i filled up i actualy left the one in whitewater just bairly made it to the one where i live and they where still packed with people

98whitegpgt
09-21-2005, 09:05 PM
Just filled up and bought $50 worth extra

theavenger333
09-21-2005, 10:44 PM
word has it that the companies gouged an extra 50 cents a gallon during Katrina. Doyle announced he was on a task force with other government leaders from different states to go after the companies this time. we shall see

ThatWhiteCivic
09-22-2005, 12:52 AM
So let's see how much it goes up to this time... I'm saying $4.00 for Premium

jbiscuit
09-22-2005, 08:37 AM
Its gonna go up again...watch. It should hit $4/gallon for premium....

STEALTHZR2
09-22-2005, 08:37 AM
So let's see how much it goes up to this time... I'm saying $4.00 for Premium
I'd say $4.00 for regular at this rate of this crap.

Yamahachick02
09-22-2005, 09:32 AM
Just filled up $2.81 for premium on 51st and Ryan. It is already $2.91 on 27th and Ryan.

DirtyMax
09-22-2005, 09:35 AM
Just filled up $2.81 for premium on 51st and Ryan. It is already $2.91 on 27th and Ryan.

And the stupid thing hasn't even hit land yet. What a crock! :rolleyes:

Syclone0044
09-22-2005, 03:01 PM
At lunch time the prices were still at the lowest it's been since Katrina - 2.68-2.69 for Regular at the priciest pumps in Brookfield (Capitol & Brookfield Dr., and Calhoun & Bluemound). I'm surprised they havent started jacking the price.

0TransAm0
09-22-2005, 04:53 PM
^^^ they will they are only allowed to raise the price 1 time in a 24hr period..hell i wish i was still up north i payed 2.77/gal for premium in michagan..and its the good stuff not this reformulated crap.. hell i got 29 mpg on the way home :wooo

PureSound15
09-22-2005, 05:05 PM
That's why I love goin to school up here at UW- Green Bay for the week and commin back on the weekend for work. The gas is cheap and not reformulated. I payed 2.78 for premium last week :thumbsup . Wait... no, I shouldn't be smiling... 2.78 still sucks!

~Ryan

Pantera99GS
09-22-2005, 05:11 PM
^^^ they will they are only allowed to raise the price 1 time in a 24hr period..hell i wish i was still up north i payed 2.77/gal for premium in michagan..and its the good stuff not this reformulated crap.. hell i got 29 mpg on the way home :wooo


No ****! I just got back from the U.P. last Saturday- I noticed better mileage on the way home as well.

0TransAm0
09-22-2005, 05:15 PM
No ****! I just got back from the U.P. last Saturday- I noticed better mileage on the way home as well.

hell yeah and my car seemed to run better more crisp...

by the way can somebody tell me how to put the persons name in thier that im quoteing....thx.

pOrk
09-22-2005, 05:47 PM
Rita took a swing north, so the refinery in tx should be clear. If it hits the refinery, that is the last oil refinery in the us that is operating right now that has any output. It if goes, 4 bucks a gallon for premium is going to be a STEAL. You should expect 6 bucks for 87 if that ****er tips

Rocket Power
09-22-2005, 05:55 PM
I bought gas for 2.56 for 87 at the HoChunk station in Wittenburg on Monday when towing the car back home. Filled up for 2.68 today or I wouldn't have made it home :rolf .

Syclone0044
09-23-2005, 02:25 PM
Well, (fortunately) it looks like this didn't pan out so far. The most typically expensive gas pumps I know are still selling regular @ 2.69. And the crude oil market just closed at the low of the week right around $64. :thumbsup Yippee!!! :banana

Al
09-23-2005, 03:12 PM
How about this...
My dad and I went for a drive to fill his car up with gas last night and then he let me use his credit card to fill my car up. I went back to the same Citgo station in Cedarburg and the card was rejected. I then went to another Citgo where it was rejected again. I was pissed so the next place I went to was PDQ, and the card worked fine. I think it is a bit awkard that citgo would do that.

NEway, Rita is weakening because half of the inflow air is off land which does not have the water vapor needed to sustain the storm at a category 4 storm. I'm guessing a 2 by the time hurricane force winds hit the coast.

animal
09-23-2005, 03:38 PM
Meh, I think part of that may be chicken little talking

Again... as stated...
http://www.booksamillion.com/bam/covers/0/69/401/034/0694010340.jpg

Syclone0044
09-23-2005, 04:04 PM
I am guessing (hoping) it also had something to do with the Doyle/gov't gouging crackdown, maybe the gas stations are all scared into not raising prices during a hurricane unless they absolutely have to....... Suckas!! :devil

Prince Valiant
09-24-2005, 03:03 PM
I am guessing (hoping) it also had something to do with the Doyle/gov't gouging crackdown, maybe the gas stations are all scared into not raising prices during a hurricane unless they absolutely have to....... Suckas!! :devil
Well, considering that WI doesn't have a "no gouging" law, there is very little that doyle/lautenschlager could do. The only thing they can prosecute for is changing gas prices more than once in a 24 hour period.

animal
09-26-2005, 07:27 AM
So do I post another chicken little picture? Gas actually went down as far as I've seen. $4/gal my ass :rolleyes:

Syclone0044
09-26-2005, 12:57 PM
So do I post another chicken little picture? Gas actually went down as far as I've seen. $4/gal my ass :rolleyes: In light of the fact you already posted the Chicken little picture, I'm left with no choice but to take this opportunity to post a photo I've been saving for just the right moment, and the moment never came. So I'm going to post it now anyways, out of context. :goof

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T-Bag
09-26-2005, 01:55 PM
Well, at least the hurricane took a swing. Sometimes I'm glad the news (as well as myself) are wrong.