What wideband o2 kit do you own?

[Teufelhunden]

I'm looking to buy a new Wideband AFR Meter soon. I've been looking for a bit, but haven't made a decision yet on which to buy. Narrowed it down to two that I like:

1) Innovate LC-1 Wideband Controller, XD-1 Programmable Digital Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16167&cat=252&page=1) $365(eBay price)
Another here, $349 (http://www.logicperformance.com/data/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=962)

2) Zeitronix Zt-2 w/LCD Display (http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm) $379

I know about the AEM unit(s), but I'm not a big fan.

Sam, Andy(BossLx), and others what are you running? Like the the small LCD display Andy and Sam have.

[Syclone0044]

I have the PLX M-300 and I love it. It's radar-detector sized/shaped/colored. Black with a red LCD display. Easy to see at night, yet not too bright and distracting. Meanwhile you can still read it during sunny days. Has outputs for datalogging WB02 signal, as well as Narrowband O2 outputs to completely replace your stock O2 sensor (no need to have an extra bung.) The narrowband O2 feature works like a charm.

www.plxdevices.com (they also have a bunch of innovative wideband devices)

www.bnecustoms.com sells them a bit cheaper, I paid about $305 for mine with Bosch sensor included.

[animal]

I run the WMS wideband seen here:

http://www.brewcitymuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8252

[BLUTO]

Dynojet Wideband Commander here.

[GRNDNL]

If you want the Innovate call Mike @ Full Thottle Speed (http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com) (586) 790-4406, tell him Keith Egan sent you, He'll beat any price and has everything in stock.......

[Teufelhunden]

If you want the Innovate call Mike @ Full Thottle Speed (http://www.fullthrottlespeed.com) (586) 790-4406, tell him Keith Egan sent you, He'll beat any price and has everything in stock.......Yeah, I'm leaning towards the Innovate model as of now. I'll have to give Mike a call. Thanks for the tip Keith.

[BAD LS1]

I also opted for the PLX M-300 as well, i had the innovate LM1... part i hated most was it was the size a of a shoe box just about and had to wait miniutes for it to warm up before it would read...

The PLX WB's can take the place of a stock narrow band with the wiring harness that comes standard, you simply splice it inline into the harness of the car for the input wire and the box converts it to narrow band voltage so u dont have to make another hole in the exhaust and weld a bung in as Josh stated above.

[0TransAm0]

whats the purpose to have a wideband?? is it mainly for tuneing issues??

[Teufelhunden]

Yes it's used to tune your car.

[BOSS LX]

I run the yego 1000.


I would suggest the PLX M-300, have seen more and more guys use it.

[STKMACH]

I'm looking to buy a new Wideband AFR Meter soon. I've been looking for a bit, but haven't made a decision yet on which to buy. Narrowed it down to two that I like:

1) Innovate LC-1 Wideband Controller, XD-1 Programmable Digital Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=16167&cat=252&page=1) $365(eBay price)
Another here, $349 (http://www.logicperformance.com/data/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=962)

2) Zeitronix Zt-2 w/LCD Display (http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm) $379

I know about the AEM unit(s), but I'm not a big fan.

Sam, Andy(BossLx), and others what are you running? Like the the small LCD display Andy and Sam have. The one you 1st listed is the best IMO it is probably the most accurate wide band out there. I have the same one and you can data log with it as well, I'm sure you know that already but thats the one I would buy. JMO

[Teufelhunden]

I run the yego 1000.
I would suggest the PLX M-300, have seen more and more guys use it.This one? (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/uego1000.htm)

[Teufelhunden]

I think I may just go with the Innovate LC-1/XD-1 Kit.

eh..eh..I like that it comes with a bung and bung plug..yeh..yeh.
http://www.flightofthepigs.com/images/Cruizer%20Nation%202001/01-beavis.JPG

[BOSS LX]

This one? (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/uego1000.htm)

Ya, uego, yego same thing. :D

It is VERY accurate!

[SLOWC5]

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/tm.asp?m=2533697&appid=&p=1&mpage=1&key=&language=&tmode=1&smode=1&s=#2539266


This link is for a group buy on the PLX devices, M-250, M-300, R-500

figured I'd post this incase anyone was looking to pick one up


JEFF

[animal]

Mine will do the narrow band signal as well, only for the newer fords I couldn't use that part of it since the ford computer also regulates the heater circuit. Unplugging it would throw a code, and I would've needed the stock one there anyways so I just put in another bung. The entire control box for mine is about half the size of a pack of cigs. The rest is just the harness wiring and sensor itself. Very small and compact.

[BLUTO]

Mine will do the narrow band signal as well, only for the newer fords I couldn't use that part of it since the ford computer also regulates the heater circuit. Unplugging it would throw a code, and I would've needed the stock one there anyways so I just put in another bung. The entire control box for mine is about half the size of a pack of cigs. The rest is just the harness wiring and sensor itself. Very small and compact.


D, I just use my rear 02 location and unplugged the stock one. The rear 02's are just taddle-tails for converter function. Some LS1 guys use 02 simulators to fool the ecm. The Predator lets you turn off the rear 02 test that throws the light on our trucks.

[animal]

Right, but when I tried that on an earlier occasion, it still threw the light, granted that was with the original old predator stuff which was weird, at best. Now I'm custom anyways. Plus it was easy to do the bung since I had the exhaust off at the time anyways when I was playing around with some offroad pipes.

[nitrorocket]

I like my LC-1 so far. I run it through my laptop not through the available display. Good bang for the buck. :thumbsup

[nitrous]

I just picked up the PLX M-300. Mainly because of its size and is suppose to be accurate to within .1%. Also easily mountable wherever and you can add a 52mm gauge whenever you want.

I was thinking about going with the LC-1/XD-1 kit because of the gauge convinience, but for the same functionality, I would rather save some money.

[Syclone0044]

I decided to purchase a second PLX M-300 Wideband. I also got a replacement Bosch LSU 4.2 sensor for my existing M-300, as too much leaded fuel (1000 miles from when it was the same price as Premium gas) caused it to respond slower. I found the best deal by doing a Google search for PLX M-300 and www.streetrays.com has it. They were highly rated on a Honda forum where a bunch of people wrote back over a year saying they got the item fast and transaction went smooth. The price is $299 with Free shipping. If you visit www.streetrays.com you can see it's their #1 Best seller.

They also had the replacement wideband sensor for $80. The best price I found anywhere was $69 plus $5 shipping, so that's also a decent price.

I also read up on the PLX company and I was impressed with the lengths they go to, to make their wideband of the highest quality and utmost accuracy. See Tech Article: PLX Critical Response Wideband Technology (http://www.plxdevices.com/AppNotes/PLX%20Critical%20Response%20Technology.pdf)

http://www.plxdevices.com/M-Series-Controllers/M-300_PCB1.jpg

:thumbsup

[tenchu]

I have a PLX M-250

[sloLs1]

AEM ugeo

[95 TA - The Beast]

Actually, if you shop around, you can find the Bosch LSU 4.2 sensor for about $35-40+shipping... so <$50 shipped...

I own a Innovate LM-1, and am contemplating buying a LC-1 for permanent installation in place of one of the narrowband O2s currently in the car...

One of the biggest pluses for the Innovate products is the included LogWorks 2.0 data logging and analysis software... Pretty much 100% customizeable on all levels... Very powerful for advanced analysis...

[Syclone0044]

I would be greatly interested to see where a Bosch LSU 4.2 can be found for $35-$40. In all my searches I never found it cheaper than www.bnecustoms.com for $69. I even did a Froogle.com search and didn't even find so much as a bargain basement scam site selling them cheap.

www.moates.net $79
www.streetrays.com $80
www.plxdevices.com $79
www.innovatemotorsports.com $79
www.zeitronix.com $79

A few weeks ago I tried searching the Bosch part number directly to see if I could get one masquerading as an OEM replacement (instead of a "High performance Wideband tuning tool"), but according to Tech Edge http://wbo2.com/, there are at least 2 different connectors and I figured it wasn't worth the hassle/risk of trying to save some bucks to get a sensor and discover it doesn't plug into my PLX harness.

Update: Tech Edge actually does say there is a Volkswagen part that could possibly be had for $40 plus $8 shipping from parts.com "021-906-262-B for Volkswagen". I'm a bit leery why everyone would be charging $80 everywhere else but this one source has it for half price and nobody seems to mention this on any of the forums I've visited :confused (present company excluded :D)

[Syclone0044]

http://www.performance-cafe.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_149&products_id=841
Seems to have it for $49.99 (Bosch 17014)

..while RockAuto.com has it for $147, and AutoZone.com has it for $199. I just don't get the wide discrepency in prices for this part. :confused

[95 TA - The Beast]

Hey man, it's the free market, and EVERYONE likes to make a little cash... :banana1:

It's called profit, plain and simple...

All VW dealers carry the proper part and if you do some searching for decent prices you can find some places selling for near cost...

[animal]

Are all of these the same connector for the harness? It'd be good to know for future reference.

[BAD LS1]

Are all of these the same connector for the harness? It'd be good to know for future reference.

I think so, i know my Honda has a bosch LSU wideband pre and post cat, they have the same "D" shaped large connector as my PLX wideband with a Bosch LSU... only diff i can see is wire length, and the sheathing and connector is bright blue

[animal]

I think so, i know my Honda has a bosch LSU wideband pre and post cat, they have the same "D" shaped large connector as my PLX wideband with a Bosch LSU... only diff i can see is wire length, and the sheathing and connector is bright blue

Did you try it out to see if it reads correctly? I'd heard that the wb control units are calibrated to the sensors, but I wasn't sure if it was to each individual sensor or to to the 4.2 in general.

Does yours look like this?
http://www.westernmotorsports.ca/wmsweb/wmsgifs/mainharnessdesc.jpg

[95 TA - The Beast]

Are all of these the same connector for the harness? It'd be good to know for future reference.


Sorry, don't mean to sound like an ass about things, but google and manufacturer websites are your friend...

As in, there is plenty of info about the various LSU sensor configurations, thier connectors, how they are calibrated, or should I say 'brought within range for calibration' (via resistive pill from the factory, as the 4.2, or via a pot for one of the other types, ie the 4.2 can be 'calibrated on the fly', and the other requires a tech to set it up), but quite honestly, I don't have the links handy but have seen plenty of references out there on various sites that delve directly into the Bosch and NTK sensors that are popular...

So, back to the original comment, 'google it *****'!!! :devil

Oh no, I just sounded arrogant again, right Josh? :stare :rolf

[animal]

Sorry, don't mean to sound like an ass about things

Don't worry you weren't.


So, back to the original comment, 'google it *****'!!!

Until now.

Obviously we could all go look it up. But what would be the point of discussing ANYTHING locally here if everyone was just supposed to go look up every question? I asked, because I figured someone might see the connector I posted and say , "hey yeah that's what mine looks like."

...And the calibration thing could be answered just as easily with a "not sure, and I didn't try the new one yet."

Thanks for the answer though, I appreciate it. :yawn:

[95 TA - The Beast]

Animal, sorry aboiut that, I *really* didn't mean for the sarcasm to be directed solely at you, thus the reference to Josh... That previous post was made late at night when I didn't care to spend the time going into details, so let me give an explanation here...

It is just there is all the info out there, and I CONSTANTLY see tons and tons of posts with half-baked comments and 'less than useable' information that obviously take effort to write and it just blows my mind why someone wouldn't do the little bit of research to make thier posts truely informative... Only thing I can rationalize is that those individuals really, truely have a lack of understanding, knowledge or just flat out brain-power to be able to do just that...

Thus my 'arrogant' attitude and why I refuse to make posts that surmize all the info out there to answer a topic as someone else will mis-read it because they have comprehension issues and hack up what was said and confuse others in the process... Thus I have found it is ALWAYS best to research things at sources that a) are reputable, such as manufacturer websites and b) are known to contain valuable knowledge, such as at sites that are dedicated to discussions of using wideband devices... And in general take whatever is said anywhere else with a questioning eye, and verify what is said elsewhere... Only then can you be certain of what is 'fact' and what is 'fiction'...

Too much BS spread around by people that "don't have a clue" is what is frustrating to those of us that actually take the time and verify everything...

Again, I didn't mean to be serious about any sort of 'snide' comment... I figured the smiley conferred that... ;)

[Syclone0044]

Hey Animal, check this page http://wbo2.com/lsu/default.htm for photos of the different connectors, and this page in particular: http://wbo2.com/lsu/sensors.htm. I think the Volkswagen 262 one I mentioned may actually work for us, but not positive.


Animal, sorry aboiut that, I *really* didn't mean for the sarcasm to be directed solely at you, thus the reference to Josh... That previous post was made late at night when I didn't care to spend the time going into details, so let me give an explanation here... Okay.


It is just there is all the info out there, and I CONSTANTLY see tons and tons of posts with half-baked comments and 'less than useable' information that obviously take effort to write and it just blows my mind why someone wouldn't do the little bit of research to make thier posts truely informative... Hmph.. It seems to me like your posts in this thread obviously took a lot of effort to write, yet contained "less than useable" information for someone simply trying to get the best price on a wideband sensor and share it with their hot rod buddies. Instead of "taking the time to do the little bit of research to make your post truly informative" and just tell where you found this $35 wideband sensor, you told Animal (and me) to search for himself. What now?


Only thing I can rationalize is that those individuals really, truely have a lack of understanding, knowledge or just flat out brain-power to be able to do just that... Oh, okay. Well, that was easy. http://warrifles.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif



Look, I'm all about the whole "give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for life" thing, and personally verifying information etc. But you might want to consider your audience. I brought this post back to life because I found a deal on a wideband and was looking for a replacement sensor, and decided to share the information so my fellow hot rodders can save some bucks and maybe trade my information for someone else's regarding replacement sensors. I did the homework, posted my "wideband website cheat-sheet" for everyone to benefit from, that all takes time. It's not like I just started looking for a wideband yesterday; I've been researching this purchase (as I do all my purchases) for some time. I doubt anyone here wants to learn the details of pump cells and read Bosch product design whitepapers, they just wanna save a few bucks and make sure they order the right thing. What's wrong with that?

[animal]

Again, I didn't mean to be serious about any sort of 'snide' comment... I figured the smiley conferred that... ;)

Thanks for the clarification. You did use the devil smiley, which can imply otherwise.


I'll have to look into that further josh, I can't remember what the tip looks like on mine. I would email the place i got it from, but I'm sure they'll claim "oh you need our sensor to make sure it works right" or something to that effect. I didn't realize before this though that it wasn't necessarily their sensor/harness plug that was included. That site would make it seem like the sensor portion would be available elsewhere at a likely lower price. That said, it's supposed to have a 100k mile life if you don't use leaded gas, so I wouldn't really have to worry about replacing it for a long time, especially after only 3k miles hehe. Good information to know though for sure.

It'd be cool as hell to splice together a dual harness that would keep the heater circuit going on both sensors and have a toggle switch to read between them on one display rather than spending the extra 400 bones to get the other bank. Not sure if it'd freak out the embedded software or not though. It'd definately be worth an email to the place that made mine.