Dont put my flag on your import Braeger stickers

[SmokinRAM114]

i was wonder what other people thaught of this dont put my flag on your inport stickers Breager dealerships are giving away? i saw this in the news paper and was kinda dumbfounded.. there talking about how 75% of the cars bought in wi last year were imports, and 35% trucks were imports. It says that Breager is giving away these stickers that say Dont Put MY Flag on YOUR IMPORT. and shows an american flag.. What are others thinking?? i dont know what to think. :confused

[Flight_740]

I think if America would build a decent car, we wouldnt have this porblem. Breager just wants to gain attention. They avoid the fact that imports are better cars. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[wikked]

huh...that's funny... weren't Camaro's/Firebirds assembled in Canada? Whilst my import was assembled in Illinois =P

[0TransAm0]

Eh i bet if you go look on any braeger lot you will find imports anyways..why not just tell them to stop selling them and then see what they got to say about that.

[Flight_740]

Eh i bet if you go look on any braeger lot you will find imports anyways..why not just tell them to stop selling them and then see what they got to say about that.


Haha :thumbsup

[Knyghtmare]

I think if America would build a decent car, we wouldnt have this porblem. Breager just wants to gain attention. They avoid the fact that imports are better cars. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Imports are cheaper cars... Not better cars... :chair:

[Knyghtmare]

huh...that's funny... weren't Camaro's/Firebirds assembled in Canada? Whilst my import was assembled in Illinois =P

Mine was built in California.

Canada isnt 20,000 miles away, and its right above Michigan, so its close enough in my book :) Mexico would be a different story. :rolf

Its also cheaper to ship parts from Japan instead of fully built cars. :) Plus jobs, cant hate on that.

[Cryptic]

my GP was made in Kansas I believe

[animal]

I want one that says "Don't put my flag on your rice" :)

[fireguyrick]

I personally think it would be funny if all those stickers had "made in taiwan" on them.

Rick

[SmokinRAM114]

I personally think it would be funny if all those stickers had "made in taiwan" on them.

Rick


:rolf :rolf :chair: i was thinking that before.. made in JAPAN :punch:

[nismodave]

Im going to get one of those stickers, put it on my car, then drive to the dealership. :chair:

[Cjburn]

Imports are cheaper cars... Not better cars... :chair:


You've got to be kidding me. You also should rethink what you call an import and what isn't. While GM and Ford have been shipping jobs out of this country for the last 20 years+, most of your newer "imports" are made in America, some of them even are considered "American" cars. Take a look at a late 1980's Accord and see how it has held up compared to a late 80's Caprice Classic, or any GM built cars from those years, it's quite laughable. I know a fair amount of mechanics, even a few that make their living at GM dealerships, and a few at Toyota dealerships. The GM techs will never deny the fact that GM's product is not up to par with that of Honda, Toyota, or even Nissan. I had it summed up to me once by a long time GM tech who said, "It's really what you want to put up with. Import cars cost more initially, break less, but are more expensive when they break." I wouldn't hesitate to buy a GM or Ford truck, but you couldn't pay me to drive one of their non-sports cars. I wouldn't mind a Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, but when you compare a Civic, Corolla, or Sentra to a Cavalier, Focus, or Neon it's a joke. So is comparing a Camry, Accord, Maxima to a Taurus, (newer) Impala, or Malibu. I've seen ORANGE PEEL on a brand new $28K supercharged Bonneville, you would never see that on a Camry. You drive what you like, but you cannot get outside the fact that the Japanese automaker has only gotten larger since it's introduction in the late 1960's because as there have been some real short comings in the offerings by our Domestic manufacturers.

[Al]

Don't Honda and Toyota make more cars in the US than in Japan?

Most cars sold are made in the US to some extent.

I'd say that a focus is easy to fix. I'd even say that Ford is doing well in terms of technology and reliability. GM sucks! I don't know about mopar too much.

Doesn't Japan buy the metal for its cars from the US?

[Neal Steffek]

my GP was made in Kansas I believe


Yup, they are now made in Canada though.

[SloFarmTruck]

I work for Braeger. I'm proud to say that. I also work with the majority of the marketing stuff, but didn't have a hand in this at all.

[Full Response Deleted Because Everyone Is Biased And Has Their Own Opinion}

Foreign cars are better? That's not what JD Power & Associates seemed to think in regards to initial quality survey and assembly plants this last time around. And it's funny the majority of people who use these sites for their advantage when looking to BUY cars, but when it comes time to back up statements, these sites are "for entertainment purposes only"

Oh well. The best thing that America offers, freedom of speech :)

CrawlinZ

[fireguyrick]

Funny Subaru was rated as #1 for 2004 in reliabilty from CR Link to article here (http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv2.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=575859&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=156209)


Subaru showed considerable improvement across its product line. This year, with just 8 problems per 100 cars, it had the best reliability record of any manufacturer in 2004.

JD Power is also has a history of internal bias, but that can be said about ANY reporting system. They all have flaws.

Rick

[Crawlin]

exactly! it swings back and forth from year to year.....

it's just like consumer reports, they had a lawsuit against them in which it was stated that "consumer reports" is for entertainment purposes only.

you have to realize one thing.... we are here to make money. servicing the customer is what gets us that money. so yeah, we have imports on the lot. the best form of advertising is not one in which everyone is all in the middle saying it's "ok". the best form is that in which you get opposite ends of the spectrum. love/hate relationship type stuff. those that hate us and called in to say they hated the ad... from what we have seen all are import buyers. the ones that have called in and have praised it, have all been GM owners, but more so from other dealerships that have called to say they will be buying from braeger from now on because we "finally put the truth out there"

America is great, because we have freedom of choice, and freedom of speech. I had nothing to do with the ad so blast away at it if you don't like it. i got thick skin in regards to that stuff :)

[animal]

I think it's sweet. Stick it to em :)

[Junky Giorgio]

chris grab a sticker for me to put on the tracker... :rolf

[jbiscuit]

they are getting what they wanted....attention. They are still hardcore union people in this country. Just a few weeks ago I had a guy tell me at a gas station in a 68 Malibu to take my Jap sh1t somewhere else after I took the pump he was driving towards....then I proceed to walk all over his small block chevy after I waited for him to pull out. The expression he had was priceless like, "How the fu(k did this station wagon pull on my holley-carbed small block?"

ha ha ha ha....whatever works to attract attention I guess

[Flight_740]

Im not even going to get into my rant on why I think Imports are better cars. I will never buy another peice of american junk and thats a fact.(with the exception of the sports cars) In my case, GTP = falling apart at 70k and Q45 runs like a champ and rides even better at 150k. 1991 integra @ 200k getting the living crap beat out of it on a daily basis ran like a champ all the way untill the day I sold it. Nobody will ever convince me different.


American car makers need to do somthing fast because the loyalty is starting to disapear and sales are dropping. I even heard that ford is down 11% in sales compared to last month alone. :chair:

[Knyghtmare]

You've got to be kidding me. You also should rethink what you call an import and what isn't. While GM and Ford have been shipping jobs out of this country for the last 20 years+, most of your newer "imports" are made in America, some of them even are considered "American" cars. Take a look at a late 1980's Accord and see how it has held up compared to a late 80's Caprice Classic, or any GM built cars from those years, it's quite laughable. I know a fair amount of mechanics, even a few that make their living at GM dealerships, and a few at Toyota dealerships. The GM techs will never deny the fact that GM's product is not up to par with that of Honda, Toyota, or even Nissan. I had it summed up to me once by a long time GM tech who said, "It's really what you want to put up with. Import cars cost more initially, break less, but are more expensive when they break." I wouldn't hesitate to buy a GM or Ford truck, but you couldn't pay me to drive one of their non-sports cars. I wouldn't mind a Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, but when you compare a Civic, Corolla, or Sentra to a Cavalier, Focus, or Neon it's a joke. So is comparing a Camry, Accord, Maxima to a Taurus, (newer) Impala, or Malibu. I've seen ORANGE PEEL on a brand new $28K supercharged Bonneville, you would never see that on a Camry. You drive what you like, but you cannot get outside the fact that the Japanese automaker has only gotten larger since it's introduction in the late 1960's because as there have been some real short comings in the offerings by our Domestic manufacturers.

I didnt think my goofing around would get a rise out of anyone. :goof

[Flight_740]

. The expression he had was priceless like, "How the fu(k did this station wagon pull on my holley-carbed small block?"

ha ha ha ha....whatever works to attract attention I guess


:headbang :thumbsup Nice.

Im not a huge union fan :punch:

[Crawlin]

they are getting what they wanted....

hell yeah we are :) i'm loving it.

we went from always being HALF of what Holz did in sales to catching right up and doing more passenger vehicles. they still out do us with total numbers because of their fleet department. we hit 132% of our goal two months ago, definitely over 100% of goal last month, and on pace to beat this month's goal. got to be doing something right ;)

if anyone tells you they got into the car business to do anything other than make money, they are lieing :)

[BLUTO]

:flipoff:
hell yeah we are :) i'm loving it.

we went from always being HALF of what Holz did in sales to catching right up and doing more passenger vehicles. they still out do us with total numbers because of their fleet department. we hit 132% of our goal two months ago, definitely over 100% of goal last month, and on pace to beat this month's goal. got to be doing something right ;)

if anyone tells you they got into the car business to do anything other than make money, they are lieing :)

Even w/o fleet - Holz still sells more than Braeger. Unless you count all 3 Braeger stores. Braeger is doing better, true. But Holz has a secret wepon- Tell John & Todd; Mary says 'Hi' :flipoff:

[Crawlin]

i go by what is really counted, passenger vehicles. we outsold holz the other month, unfortunately i'm not at the chevy store right now so i can't tell you how we did last month. not too shabby for a dealership everyone thinks is TOO far to get to from west side suburbs and has an emperical score 100 points lower than Holz ;)

I see Todd and talk to him every day that he's in. John, well, funny guy but i keep my distance because supposedly "we aren't supposed to talk to him". I don't see him as much as I used to since i'm not at the chevy store anymore

Chris

[Nix]

Im not even going to get into my rant on why I think Imports are better cars. I will never buy another peice of american junk and thats a fact.(with the exception of the sports cars) In my case, GTP = falling apart at 70k and Q45 runs like a champ and rides even better at 150k. 1991 integra @ 200k getting the living crap beat out of it on a daily basis ran like a champ all the way untill the day I sold it. Nobody will ever convince me different.


American car makers need to do somthing fast because the loyalty is starting to disapear and sales are dropping. I even heard that ford is down 11% in sales compared to last month alone. :chair:

Mike, what can I say... You just really hurt my feelings with this paragraph. :crying

[Pantera99GS]

Im not even going to get into my rant on why I think Imports are better cars. I will never buy another peice of american junk and thats a fact.(with the exception of the sports cars) In my case, GTP = falling apart at 70k and Q45 runs like a champ and rides even better at 150k. 1991 integra @ 200k getting the living crap beat out of it on a daily basis ran like a champ all the way untill the day I sold it. Nobody will ever convince me different.


American car makers need to do somthing fast because the loyalty is starting to disapear and sales are dropping. I even heard that ford is down 11% in sales compared to last month alone. :chair:


My Regal is currently at 80,000 miles- I've owned it and beat the **** out of that car for the past 53,000 miles without issue- a pretty decent chunk of those miles and abuse came from SloFarmTruck: "Dont worry! If I brake something I'll fix it!" I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.

I'm well aware of import reliability, my old '89 CRX Si-other than needed a new tranny at 150,000 miles- was rock solid and abused at every oppurtunity. Its still running and must have well over 200,000 miles.

Domestic manufacturers have caught up quite a bit in the reliability department compared to how crappy a lot of cars were in the early nineties. When somebody says they'll never own a domestic or import, it seems like they're only going to miss out on some cool cars and it just sounds ignorant.

[Nix]

The people on here that are ripping on Ford saying that all thier cars are garbage, correct me if Iam wrong here but didnt Ford set some kind of record or on pace to do so with the 05' Mustangs? I personally have never owned an Import, but Ive herd good and bad same goes for Domestic vehicles. Each has their pros and cons. This thread is usless because people who love domestics and vice versa will never convert from one to the other. If this thread is left on here it will grow GRow and GROW and it will all be usless jibber jabber, just like what you have read here what I have typed, usless talk. :alcoholic

[Flight_740]

Mike, what can I say... You just really hurt my feelings with this paragraph. :crying


LOL, I kind of told you my feelings on this when you were looking for a new car.

Thats why I sell about 90% imports. Less chance of people coming back and complaining about their Intake gaskets, wheel barings, wheel sensors, etc.....

Out of the cars I sell wich is about 90% import, 10% domestic, I still get more people coming back and complaining about the domestics even though I sell 9x as many imports. Figure that one out.

[sidewayzbimmer]

I know a certain mustang with 374,xxx miles on it and still running strong after 26 years! Reliablitlity? YES! Mine gets the piss beat out of it and keeps running with no problems and its 23 years old!
bryan

[Nix]

I dont believe you Mike!!! Nah, I just had to give you a hard time on this one for sh!ts and giggles. :goof

[Nix]

I know a certain mustang with 374,xxx miles on it and still running strong after 26 years! Reliablitlity? YES! Mine gets the piss beat out of it and keeps running with no problems and its 23 years old!
bryan

Orignial motor???? No way? :wow

[JC70SS]

I don't care where a Rice car was built, the profit still goes back to the mother country, JApan! Better car or not, those Bastards aren't getting my money.

[Flight_740]

So then why did you buy an arctic cat and not a polaris? :rolf

[Lash]

Braeger sucks ass...and not just because of this.

Thats what I think. :)

[fireguyrick]

I don't care where a Rice car was built, the profit still goes back to the mother country, JApan! Better car or not, those Bastards aren't getting my money.

You really cannot even say that. Take Subaru for example. They are owned by Fuji Heavy Industires, however GM has a 30% share in FHI, that is why Saab got the Saabaru (9-2x), which for all intents and purposes is a Subaru WRX Wagon. Ford owns Jaguar, Lotus, Aston Martin, and Mazda. Chrysler USE TO have a large stake in Mitsubishi, that was tell Mitsu started to get into BIG trouble.

It DOES work the other way also you know? Ford sells a pretty healthy number of cars in Europe (Especially a certain Focus model), as well do other car companies.

I agree with all the statements that it is just to get people stirred up. I cannot say that I would rather own a domestic or Import. It TOTALLY comes down to the SPECEFIC vehicle that I am looking for. Right now I am happy with my two Imports, though I have owned 3 Fords and 1 Chevy before. My next car purchase (probally next year) will be very much between a domestic or import. In the end it will come down to which vehicle my wife and I prefer, and suits are needs the best.

Comparison shopping is what forces companies to try and perform. The fact is that American manufacturers got lazy for quite some time, and just now are starting to turn things around and catch up a bit.

Rick

[Cjburn]

Rick, is your Forrester the 2.5 turbo? I'd absolutely love one of those badass little rides for a daily...

[fireguyrick]

Yep the Forester XT is the 2.5 turbo. Stock it is the same engine as the STi (except for turbo, IC, and tuning). Ours has all my STi take off parts though, so it is just a little bit of a sleeper.

Rick

[carkid0101]

huh...that's funny... weren't Camaro's/Firebirds assembled in Canada? Whilst my import was assembled in Illinois =P
lol tru tru, but technically u drive eagle.

[Al]

ON THE CONTRARY!!!

My moms 2000 Accord EX V6 has gone through 3 transmissions in it first 20k miles. Reverse is a ***** on these cars. Also, the wheel bearing on the right rear wheel is going. I also had to replace the alternator on it and there is also some really bad whining coming from under the hood every now and then coming from the a/c pump region (sounds like a cobra s/c). My mom never drives her car like an idiot. It "should" last her 200k, but I am skeptical.

Most of you are familiar with the computer meltdown on my dads 95 bimmer 740i. How the **** does it go through 3 computers when a wire shorts for a courtesy light? Add to that the head gasket going at 65k, the water pump bearings at 70k, the terrible valve chatter on a warm summer day and the very loud clunk from putting it in gear, and the climate control doesn't cool the car, it only goes to full heater.

Don't get me started on the 2.0L engine in my sisters Cabrio.

Integras, Escort GTs and Astros are champs!

[fireguyrick]

Integras, Escort GTs and Astros are champs!

How about the Ford Tempo :rolf

I really think alot of it can come down to the individual vehicle. Take VW for instance. It seems that either you are lucky and get a good one (and you continue to get good ones) OR you get one that has constant problems (:cough: ELECTRICAL :cough:).

Rick

[JC70SS]

So then why did you buy an arctic cat and not a polaris? :rolf

DUUHHH? Why does anyone buy Polaris? They are junk and will be 4th in sales soon. Arctic Cat is American based meaning profit goes to Thief River Falls, MN. So what if they have a Suzuki motor. BTW, Polaris uses FUJI motors.