Oly Chit

[lotsals1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4531788299&category=6164 :shades

[Al]

Because the numbers don't match, it is worthless.








:goof

[Teufelhunden]

buy it Jabo!

[sriddccrocks]

looks nice, but the body is lookin rough, would make a good project car

[BOSS LX]

"Yes! This is the Muscle Car Everyone Wishes they had in Their Garage!"

Not me!

[GRNDNL]

"Yes! This is the Muscle Car Everyone Wishes they had in Their Garage!"

Not me!

:rolf :rolf :rolf

I Couldn't agree more..... :headbang

[Rocket Power]

What's up with the trunklid ? is it off a 4 dr or something :goof

But hey it has an "Excell super coil" :rolf

[BOSS LX]

"This car has an Automatic 400, on the Floor Transmission,"

What floor? :alcoholic

[BOSS LX]

Real muscle cars...

[BOSS LX]

A non Ford..

[lotsals1]

Real muscle cars...slug

[lotsals1]

A non Ford..much better

[BOSS LX]

slug

Did you happen to see the muscle car shootout on the speed channel?

The Boss 429 came out on top. :rolf Ya what a over rated slug!

[nismodave]

That show was GARBAGE.......the Chevelle was an AUTO....Any racer worth his SALT would Hustle a 4 Spd faster that a stock TH400.

[lotsals1]

Did you happen to see the muscle car shootout on the speed channel?

The Boss 429 came out on top. :rolf Ya what a over rated slug!Next to what! there were many cars that would hand that thing its ass in 70--hell i had a 340 dart that waxed one --and thats a small block stock with 3:91's it even had the factory carter carb -and i had a 70 cyclone spoiler 429scj that waxed one --so dont think i'm biased --i've had more fords and mopars than gm's --I always will think they are over rated no matter what anyone says.rare yes fast not really and you watch the speed channel way to much . that GSX in the pic would take one

[lotsals1]

That show was GARBAGE.......the Chevelle was an AUTO....Any racer worth his SALT would Hustle a 4 Spd faster that a stock TH400. I Agree --90% of the guys with numbers matching rare cars are not going to push their cars anyways --i bet 1/2 the hemi guys didnt run it over 3500k--every mopar show i've been to they always puss out--i dont blame them thow --150,000 dollar #'s matching hemi cuda isnt worth as much with a blown motor ;)

[JC70SS]

Real muscle cars...


JUNK!!!! :flipoff2:

JEALOUSY IS NO REASON TO HATE.

BTW...mustangs are not even considered a muscle car :rolf

[JC70SS]

That show was GARBAGE.......the Chevelle was an AUTO....Any racer worth his SALT would Hustle a 4 Spd faster that a stock TH400.


It was an auto with 3.31 gears. Put some 4.10's and an M-22 in there and it will show that blue oval garbage who is the king! :loser

[Prince Valiant]

meh, that speed channel show is absolute garbage. utterly and completely non-representative of what any of those cars are capable of, and more accurately demonstrated that the owners of the various cars restored their cars for accurate looks vs accurate performance.

If I recall, my low compression, mild cammed small-block wups up on a hemi cuda according to that show....

Here's a good list of some of the times of the older musclecars...edited to remove non-musclecars with the exception of the cobra's and corvettes (most don't consider them "muscle cars" but instead "sports cars") The removed cars list was outdated and included the zr-1, slp firehawk, turbo GTA, stealth, and GNX.....as well, the list doesn't include several ubber rare cars such as the hemi dart and a-body barracuda, lightened SOHC galaxie's, and other cars not really available to the "general" public...


(1) 1966 Cobra 427-425HP-4 spd-3.54 gears-12.20ET/118MPH-CD 11/65.
(3)1966 Corvette-427-425HP-4 spd-3.36-12.8/112-CD 11/65.
(4) 1969 Road Runner-440 6pk-390HP-4 spd-4.10-12.9/111.8-SS 6/69.
(5) 1970 Hemi Cuda-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-3.54-13.10/107.12- CC 11/69.
(6) 1970 SS454 Chevelle-454LS6-450HP-4 spd-3.55-13.12/107.1- CC 11/69.
(7) 1969 ZL-1 Camaro-427 ZL1-430HP-4 spd-4.10-13.16/110.21- HC 6/69.
(9) 1968 Corvette-427 6V-435HP-4 spd-3.70-13.30/108- HC 5/68.
(10) 1970 Road Runner-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-4.10-13.34/107.5- SS 12/69.
(11) 1970 Buick GS Stage 1-455-360HP-Auto.-3.64-13.38/105.5- MT 1/70.
(12) 1969 Charger 500-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-4.10-13.48/109- HR 2/69.
(13) 1973 Trans Am-455 SD-400HP-Auto.-3.42-13.54/104.29- HR 6/73.
(14) 1969 Corvette-427 L88-430HP-Auto.-3.36-13.56/111.1- HR 4/69.
(15) 1969 Super Bee-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.56/105.6- HR 8/69.
(16) 1969 Boss 429 Mustang-429-375HP-4 spd-3.91-13.6/106- HC 9/69.
(17) 1970 Challenger RT- 440 6pk-390HP-Auto.-3.23-13.62/104.3- CC 11/69.
(18) 1970 Torino Cobra-429 SCJ-370HP-Auto.-3.91-13.63/105.9- SS 3/70.
(19) 1968 Biscayne 427-427-425HP-4 spd-4.56-13.65/105- SS 4/68.
(20) 1964 Polara 500-426 4V-365HP-4 spd-3.23-13.7/107.37- HC 2/64.
(21) 1969 GTX-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-4.10-13.7/102.8- MT 1/69..
(24) 1969 Dart 440-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.71/105- CC 5/69.
(25) 1971 Road Runner-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.71/101.2- CC 1/71.
(26) 1971 Cuda-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.72/106- SS 4/71.
(27) 1971 Corvette-454 LS6-425HP-4 spd-3.36-13.72/102.04- CL 8/71.
(28) 1971 Super Bee-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-4.10-13.73/104- MT 12/70.
(29) 1968 Hurst/Olds-455 W-30-390HP-Auto.-3.91-13.77/103.91- SS 8/68.
(30) 1968 Firebird HO-400 HO-335HP-4 spd-3.55-13.79/106- HR 3/68.
(31) 1967 Corvette-427-435HP-4 spd-3.55-13.8/108- HR 5/67.
(32) 1971 Boss 351 Mustang-351 Boss-330HP-4 spd-3.91-13.8/104- MT 1/71.
(33) 1966 Satellite-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-3.54-13.81/104- CD 4/66.
(34) 1969 Coronet R/T-440 4V-375HP-4 spd-4.10-13.83/102.27- SS 4/69.
(35) 1968 Cyclone GT-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-4.11-13.86/101.69- MT 8/68.
(36) 1969 Nova SS-396-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.87/105.1- HR 7/69.
(37) 1969 Shelby GT500-428CJ-335HP-4 spd-3.91-13.87/104.52- SS 9/69.
(38) 1970 4-4-2 W30-455-370HP-Auto.-3.42-13.88/95.84- CC11/69.
(39) 1962 Corvette-327FI-360HP-4 spd-4.10-13.89/105.14- HR 1/62.
(40) 1969 Barracuda-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-4.10-13.89/103.21- SS 8/69.
(41) 1969 Mach 1-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-3.50-13.90/103.32- CL 3/69.
(42) 1967 GTO-400 Ram Air-360HP-Auto.-4.33-13.9/102.8- CL 10/67.
(43) 1970 Trans Am-400 RAIV-345HP-4 spd-3.91-13.9/102- HR 2/70.
(44) 1969 Charger R/T-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.9/101.4- MT 1/69.
(46) 1969 Cougar Eliminator-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-3.50-13.9/103.9- SS 9/69.
(47) 1972 Corvette LT-1-350 LT-1-350HP-4 spd-4.11-13.92/104.01- HR 8/72.
(48) 1970 Charger R/T-440 6PK-390HP-4 spd-3.54-13.95/101- HC 2/70.
(49) 1968 GTX-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-3.23-13.97/103.5- CL 2/68.
(50) 1971 Mach 1-429 CJ-370HP-Auto.-3.50-13.97/100.22- SS 2/71.

[BOSS LX]

Cool, a Ford is in the lead by 6 tenths! :rolf

Do you have any pics of the spoiler? That is one of my, if I was rich cars.

As far as the show goes, even if the LS6 had a 4 speed all of the cars would be within 2 tenths of each other. And with a few mods the Boss 9's became a monster.

[BOSS LX]

Since we are on a muscle car topic, do you guys think that calling the GTO the first muscle car is BS?

If not, what would you call the 409 be lairs, or the 406,427 Galaxies?

Don't start a rant, it is just a question.

[JC70SS]

Boss,

Sorry for the fire-back....I just get very offended by remarks downplaying the 70 Chevelle. I don't hate fords like you may think, I actully would love an 04 snake. I do think the 70 chevelle, like it or not, is one of the most important cars in auto history.

As far as numbers matching, I can probably find 10 70 SS clones that are listed for $20k + right now. Numbers matching means very little now due to demand for these cars.

[BOSS LX]

Boss,

Sorry for the fire-back....I just get very offended by remarks downplaying the 70 Chevelle. I don't hate fords like you may think, I actully would love an 04 snake. I do think the 70 chevelle, like it or not, is one of the most important cars in auto history.

As far as numbers matching, I can probably find 10 70 SS clones that are listed for $20k + right now. Numbers matching means very little now due to demand for these cars.

I never said I didn't like the chevelle. I just don't like the tore up one on ebay. :goof

[Prince Valiant]

Since we are on a muscle car topic, do you guys think that calling the GTO the first muscle car is BS?

If not, what would you call the 409 be lairs, or the 406,427 Galaxies?

Don't start a rant, it is just a question. The GTO was considered the first of the musclecars as it was a mid-sized car with a large powerful motor....prior to that you could get high powered engines, but they were in full-sized cars...impala's, galaxies, chrysler's 300's. If we just used power numbers, then the 1955 chrysler 300 was the first car to top 300hp...olds would be next in 1957 with its 371ci, 3x2 barrel carb olds 88 and super 88...

the start of the musclecars is cause of considerable debate even using just the "mid-size" designation though...thereby eliminating that larger, older cars.

Why? In 1962 Dodge and plymouth released their new full-size cars, the polara/330 and the savoy/fury respectively. These cars, while called "full-sized", they were nothing of the sort though....featuring much shorter wheelbases than those of the chrysler full-size, and as well, previous and subsequent full-sizes. (the polora and fury nameplates would later move to the gigantic c-body platform a few years later)

These 1962 cars would become the foundation of the later b b-body cars that were the basis of the charger, roadrunner, coronet, etc...definite "muscle cars" sized cars by anyone's definition.

Now, did the savoy's and polara's have the engines? Of course...the most common engine available in that day was the 361 easily elcilpsed the 300hp mark with 320hp, and a several different 383's were available with up to 343hp. But of course...it was easy to check-off the 413ci engine in either stage 1, 2, or 3 configuragtion with either 375hp, 405hp, and 420hp. This motor would become the 426 wedge mid-way through the next year, which would serve as the basis for the Hemi heads later on and thus birth the hemi....


But, regardless of it's later history it still had a comporable wheelbase to the GTO and MUCH more power was available in it than the GTO....so why is it not considered a "muscle car" by many? I contend because of it's looks...while I actaully like it's "ugliness", it was considered ungodly ugly back in the day...while the GTO was a handsome car, enough so to capture the attention of the kids who would buy them....and thus OTHER manufactuer's building similar diminsioned and powered cars, thus the "father" of musclecars. Just IMO, not the "first" muscle car.

Personally, I call the older cars like the imps and fairlanes "muscle cars" too...but it's a term retroactively applied to them, and not the first recognized as such...

[Prince Valiant]

Cool, a Ford is in the lead by 6 tenths! :rolf
And well, let's edit the list to include traditionally defined "muscle cars", just for fun...
(4) 1969 Road Runner-440 6pk-390HP-4 spd-4.10-12.9/111.8-SS 6/69.
(5) 1970 Hemi Cuda-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-3.54-13.10/107.12- CC 11/69.
(6) 1970 SS454 Chevelle-454LS6-450HP-4 spd-3.55-13.12/107.1- CC 11/69.
(7) 1969 ZL-1 Camaro-427 ZL1-430HP-4 spd-4.10-13.16/110.21- HC 6/69.
(10) 1970 Road Runner-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-4.10-13.34/107.5- SS 12/69.
(11) 1970 Buick GS Stage 1-455-360HP-Auto.-3.64-13.38/105.5- MT 1/70.
(12) 1969 Charger 500-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-4.10-13.48/109- HR 2/69.
(13) 1973 Trans Am-455 SD-400HP-Auto.-3.42-13.54/104.29- HR 6/73.
(15) 1969 Super Bee-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.56/105.6- HR 8/69.
(16) 1969 Boss 429 Mustang-429-375HP-4 spd-3.91-13.6/106- HC 9/69.
(17) 1970 Challenger RT- 440 6pk-390HP-Auto.-3.23-13.62/104.3- CC 11/69.
(18) 1970 Torino Cobra-429 SCJ-370HP-Auto.-3.91-13.63/105.9- SS 3/70.
(19) 1968 Biscayne 427-427-425HP-4 spd-4.56-13.65/105- SS 4/68.
(20) 1964 Polara 500-426 4V-365HP-4 spd-3.23-13.7/107.37- HC 2/64.
(21) 1969 GTX-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-4.10-13.7/102.8- MT 1/69..
(24) 1969 Dart 440-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.71/105- CC 5/69.
(25) 1971 Road Runner-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.71/101.2- CC 1/71.
(26) 1971 Cuda-440 6PK-390HP-Auto.-4.10-13.72/106- SS 4/71.
(28) 1971 Super Bee-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-4.10-13.73/104- MT 12/70.
(29) 1968 Hurst/Olds-455 W-30-390HP-Auto.-3.91-13.77/103.91- SS 8/68.
(30) 1968 Firebird HO-400 HO-335HP-4 spd-3.55-13.79/106- HR 3/68.
(32) 1971 Boss 351 Mustang-351 Boss-330HP-4 spd-3.91-13.8/104- MT 1/71.
(33) 1966 Satellite-426 Hemi-425HP-4 spd-3.54-13.81/104- CD 4/66.
(34) 1969 Coronet R/T-440 4V-375HP-4 spd-4.10-13.83/102.27- SS 4/69.
(35) 1968 Cyclone GT-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-4.11-13.86/101.69- MT 8/68.
(36) 1969 Nova SS-396-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.87/105.1- HR 7/69.
(37) 1969 Shelby GT500-428CJ-335HP-4 spd-3.91-13.87/104.52- SS 9/69.
(38) 1970 4-4-2 W30-455-370HP-Auto.-3.42-13.88/95.84- CC11/69.
(40) 1969 Barracuda-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-4.10-13.89/103.21- SS 8/69.
(41) 1969 Mach 1-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-3.50-13.90/103.32- CL 3/69.
(42) 1967 GTO-400 Ram Air-360HP-Auto.-4.33-13.9/102.8- CL 10/67.
(43) 1970 Trans Am-400 RAIV-345HP-4 spd-3.91-13.9/102- HR 2/70.
(44) 1969 Charger R/T-440 4V-375HP-Auto.-3.55-13.9/101.4- MT 1/69.
(46) 1969 Cougar Eliminator-428 CJ-335HP-Auto.-3.50-13.9/103.9- SS 9/69.
(48) 1970 Charger R/T-440 6PK-390HP-4 spd-3.54-13.95/101- HC 2/70.
(49) 1968 GTX-426 Hemi-425HP-Auto.-3.23-13.97/103.5- CL 2/68.
(50) 1971 Mach 1-429 CJ-370HP-Auto.-3.50-13.97/100.22- SS 2/71. take away the tiny two-seat sports cars, and how's it look now? :goof

[BOSS LX]

The road runner probably had a 100 shot. :punch:

[lotsals1]

Cool, a Ford is in the lead by 6 tenths! :rolf

Do you have any pics of the spoiler? That is one of my, if I was rich cars.

As far as the show goes, even if the LS6 had a 4 speed all of the cars would be within 2 tenths of each other. And with a few mods the Boss 9's became a monster.No I dont--this was back in 1990 --it was grabber blue -with white interior --should of kept that car not only was is rare but quick and even comfortable - one of my buddys found it "well he thought it was a maveric with a spoiler :D he could only see the taillights "i knew what it was " i paid 4 k for it sold it for 7800 if i remeber right
I'm too affraid to look and see what they are going for now :crying --absoulutly a awsome car--118,000 miles on it it ran 14.1 spinning 1/2 way down -torque monger

[lotsals1]

Since we are on a muscle car topic, do you guys think that calling the GTO the first muscle car is BS?

If not, what would you call the 409 be lairs, or the 406,427 Galaxies?

Don't start a rant, it is just a question.409 imp :drool: my buddy's dad has/had? a original 7.0 galaxy 4 speed car black with red int.
I tell you the baddest car for the buck was 340 dusters demons and darts -
with a 4 speed and 3:91's they were brutal --Hehe i had a 67 barracuda with a 273 super comando "that lil shiit moved -it was kinda cool it had adjustable rockers ect--to bad the car was fugly --gawd i prolly owned 20 muscle cars in my time -fords /mopars I was brought up to hate GM's then i realized a cool car is a cool car-- my favorite mopars -71 cuda-71 R/T challenger -69 superbee 69 roadrunner-- 69 daytona -71 charger r/t 440+6fav fords -66 fastback -7.0 galaxy-70 cyclone spoiler-70 eliminator -Gm --69 z28 70 trans-am -gsx- 409 imp- 70 chevelle ss -