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loud91rs
02-27-2005, 04:45 PM
Hey i might put a 700r4 in my car instead of a th400 for cost reasons. my engine pushes about 430 horse, and i plan on supercharging it, so transmission is gonna be an issue. can i build it up to withstand all the power or am i just better off buying the $400 torque arm and crossmember for the th400? i have 4:11 gears and want to be able to drive on the hwy so...i don't know what to do. help!

SmokinRAM114
02-27-2005, 10:33 PM
hmmm i have 700r4 in my pickemup truck heres what est 300hp does :thumbsup :goof half way down the page theres some pics of my output shaft and the tranny was BUILT by kilpatricks engine and transmission
http://www.brewcitymuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6363
:thumbsup :banana

UnderPSI
02-28-2005, 08:22 AM
Kilpatricks builds some great trannies, they buildt my 4L60 and I am making about 600hp at the motor never had a problem, until my torque convertor blew up. Not their fault, but I would get the 400 if you can afford it, If you do keep the 700r4 I would call Kilpatricks. They have a great trannie guy there, he will give you some advice. Good Luck

GRNDNL
02-28-2005, 09:03 AM
It will be cheaper to spend the money to put the 400 in than it will be to build a 700........I'd do a 200R4 before a 700R4.......

SmokinRAM114
02-28-2005, 09:50 AM
Kilpatricks builds some great trannies, they buildt my 4L60 and I am making about 600hp at the motor never had a problem, until my torque convertor blew up. Not their fault, but I would get the 400 if you can afford it, If you do keep the 700r4 I would call Kilpatricks. They have a great trannie guy there, he will give you some advice. Good Luck

im not knocking them down im just saying my tranny has been done 4 times by them not because of abuse but because of mistake. exception to the last where i dont know how u break hard parts when i do not do N drops or stupid S H I T like they were trying to blame me with. My MOM's truck has been back twice for tranny problems from a tranny they put in. other then that iv had no problems with my motor or any other things they have done. I know the tranny guy donny who is still going to school to work on trannys but ur the first thats said any thing good about the tranny work there.

UnderPSI
02-28-2005, 12:40 PM
Donny didn't do my tranny, It was an older guy that has been working there for quite a while I think.

SmokinRAM114
02-28-2005, 05:29 PM
he quit i believe and went some wheres else..he did do awsome trannys..donny is the new guy in town...lol

Syclone0044
03-01-2005, 12:48 AM
UnderPSI didn't Kilpatrick's do your LS1 4L60-E twice? (not counting the converter failure) :confused I thought it failed once at the top end of the track.

For the transmission question - this is a subject I spent a lot of the last year looking into; one way to look at it is: Strong. Streetable. Cheap. Pick any two. The answer also depends on how much power you are planning on making. A good question is how much boost are you planning on running and will you run race gas and turn up the boost? Also will you be running slicks at the track? The big torque of high boost; and the hard hit of traction are going to be the biggest factors in stressing your transmission if you ask me.

It is very common for any decent PERFORMANCE (racing) transmission shop to build a 700-R4 rated for 600HP/600TQ.. Beyond that you need a true specialist who is really a master of his trade.. I don't know of anyone capable of doing this in the area - certainly not anyone with (publicly known) proven results. Anything at this level or beyond is hit or miss and failures are common - although it is possible to have a strong tranny built. I know a small handful of cars that are running low 10s / high 9s on 700R4s behind some stout power-added Small block V8s but they are the exception and you can expect they have all the tricks ($$). I would say for a REAL good 700-R4 (all the mods, heavy Input drum mods, 5 pinion planetary gears front & rear, 4L65 parts, extra clutches, custom 3-4 clutch pack solution, etc.) you are going to need $1800-$3000 depending where you go and what kind of risk you want to take. The absolute best places in the country by reputation seem to be Rossler Transmission, and Finish Line Performance FLP (I think the website is www.flp2win.com). Jimmy's in Mundlein, IL is potentially a good shot; he offers one very reasonable in the $1500-$1800 range and his warranty is outstanding from what I heard; local GN owners keep telling me stories of him fixing their 200-R4s on weekends while they wait and under warranty :stare Seems like a real class act.

The best result I've ever heard of is a guy I just met in Washington who has a 700R4 in a 70's heavy full weight car with a 383 SBC with a Novi2000 and 2 stages of nitrous, he dynoed 750RWHP and has ran in the 9s, he cruises the car and the tranny has been in for 3 years :stare :wow I recently bought the best 700-R4 I could find (other than Rossler who had limited information to look at) and I doubt I would ever have that kind of good fortune..

I agree with the other guys if you can do a 200-R4 it would be a lot cheaper and more reliable; the 200-R4 performance parts are known & proven from all the 25,000+ Grand Nationals out there, Jimmy's in IL again comes highly recommended because the 200-R4 is his forte`..

TH400 is obviously the cheapest and strongest but I don't see how you could cruise with it and 4:11 gears.

I just reread your post: when you said "using 700-R4 for cost reasons" and then you mentioned supercharging it and building it to handle it - saving money and building a 700-R4 to handle forced-induction levels of torque are two mutually exclusive things :alcoholic

UnderPSI
03-01-2005, 05:00 PM
Actually Josh I only had them repalce the 3-4 clutch pack the first time, The next time I Broke my imput shaft in half so I just had them build me the best one they could after that, which held up great untill the insides of my TCI convter let loose and filled my trannie full of metal. That kind of stuff happens when you make alot of power, you will find out some day, by that i mean when you start making power.

loud91rs
03-01-2005, 05:41 PM
screw it turbo 400 it is haha. just seems like i'd be wasting my time and money and i should just go with the th400. thanks for all your input guys!

Syclone0044
03-01-2005, 08:53 PM
That kind of stuff happens when you make alot of power, you will find out some day, by that i mean when you start making power.
I sense you're looking for a race.. Possibily hoping for a better result than what you recieved last time you raced me? http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif If you couldnt beat me from a roll and I am not "making power" then I guess you really got your work cut out for you..

Anyways I would have a good time racing ya this summer, no hard feelings win or lose. :thumbsup And if I lose then maybe I'll "Finally" consider "upgrading" to an LS1 http://home.comcast.net/~emikev/kekeke.gif

SloFarmTruck
03-01-2005, 11:59 PM
I sense you're looking for a race.. Possibily hoping for a better result than what you recieved last time you raced me? http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif If you couldnt beat me from a roll and I am not "making power" then I guess you really got your work cut out for you..

Anyways I would have a good time racing ya this summer, no hard feelings win or lose. :thumbsup And if I lose then maybe I'll "Finally" consider "upgrading" to an LS1 http://home.comcast.net/~emikev/kekeke.gif

Great another "free" racer. Seems to me his post got to ya a little bit. Why so defensive? And for the last time A race from a roll is not a "RACE". I know I have posted in the past about racing from a roll but my truck is not built for that reason. It is just hard to get a stoplight on the hwy. Besides that running down a quater mile dragstrip is just so much more fulfilling. Especially since most races are one or lost at the tree, and the only life at risk is usually yours(the drivers). All of this rant was computer generated using "polymatrix compudownload 2.6358" everything you read here was made up and in no way portrays actual facts or fiction. :headbang

Regardless bring everything in spring and hope ya brought enough. I can't wait to see all your ugly mugs at Oscars again. :durr

UnderPSI
03-02-2005, 07:41 AM
I sense you're looking for a race.. Possibily hoping for a better result than what you recieved last time you raced me? http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif If you couldnt beat me from a roll and I am not "making power" then I guess you really got your work cut out for you..

Anyways I would have a good time racing ya this summer, no hard feelings win or lose. :thumbsup And if I lose then maybe I'll "Finally" consider "upgrading" to an LS1 http://home.comcast.net/~emikev/kekeke.gif

The only time you beat me I was stock. come back to the F-body boards once you get in to the 11's then you might be worth my time :punch:

Syclone0044
03-02-2005, 08:08 PM
The only time you beat me I was stock. come back to the F-body boards once you get in to the 11's then you might be worth my time
11s is pretty fast, I've only got a stock 4.3... and my cam and head #s are in the sig. With the truck weighing 3650#, how much HP would I need to run 11s? Do you think I'd need nitrous? And if so-- will I need a nitrous-tuned MAF? I just wanted to ask someone with experience at this level of power. :shades

Crawlin
03-02-2005, 09:15 PM
Josh,

I did hear that you went 11's once. Do you have a timeslip or video? I am not trying to be sarcastic here. I just want some clarification. We also never question that your truck is fast. I know that we never officially raced. I know what I ran and you know what you ran. What our posts are in regards to is .....how can I put this... the oddness of your posts. They personally amuse me, mainly the type of questions that you ask.

As far as how you can "run 11's" the formula is simple. Buy an LS1 powered car. add 1 procharger at 6 lbs of boost. there are a few small other items like a rearend,trans,drag radials, that would help you in your effort, but the basic power package will easily cure all of you speed fixation needs. :) any other ?'s
wait doh that was the recipe for 10's. umm 11's well buy one 1984 chevy full size pick up ($1200.00 )Install one TH400 trans (Free) add one 8.5 to 1 compression stock headed 500 cubic inch cadillac engine (free) Install drag radials ($150.00) Install one NOS plate kit capable of a 340 hp shot (free) Spray the truck out of the hole....oh yeah the truck has to weigh 4600 lbs for this recipe to work properly. :headbang

My point is It doesn't matter what you drive or how fast you go. j/k As long as you enjoy it. I know my truck is ugly and falling apart, but I love the thing to death. Will I ever go 12's again in the truck? prolly not. Josh build what you want to build and when someone gives you a shot or picks on you. laugh it off and pick right back. So like I said to you earlier "GET OVER IT" :loser
You quest for knowledge of others cars might be better spent on your own. BTW how is your quest to having the first 13 second turbo grand prix coming? Wait before you answer ......it doesn't matter.

Chris
Windsorcapri

GRNDNL
03-02-2005, 09:34 PM
The only time you beat me I was stock. come back to the F-body boards once you get in to the 11's then you might be worth my time :punch:


Oh Dammmm, I didn't know you had to run in the 11s to post on this board.... :( I've been trying for 3 years to get my little V6 in the 12s, how will I ever get it in the 11s.... ;)


Back on topic, You'll be money ahead to do the 400, any OD tranny will get expensive, you just need to figure out if you really need to overdrive. Jimmy did my 200r4 years ago, I have not had any problems at all, I take it out every 2 years and he gives it a checkup. I've got all the billet parts and a Stage Rite tranny brake, I'll bet theres $2500 in it. I know Jimmy doesn't like 700s, he was pulling them out of 4th gen Vettes and 3rd gen F-Bodys and switching to 200s, they were picking up 3 tenths in low 12 second cars. A well built 200 will hold up to 700hp, after that there just isn't enough clutch material and they cook themselfs......

GRNDNL
03-02-2005, 09:45 PM
Great another "free" racer. Seems to me his post got to ya a little bit. Why so defensive? And for the last time A race from a roll is not a "RACE". I know I have posted in the past about racing from a roll but my truck is not built for that reason. It is just hard to get a stoplight on the hwy. Besides that running down a quater mile dragstrip is just so much more fulfilling. Especially since most races are one or lost at the tree, and the only life at risk is usually yours(the drivers). All of this rant was computer generated using "polymatrix compudownload 2.6358" everything you read here was made up and in no way portrays actual facts or fiction. :headbang

Regardless bring everything in spring and hope ya brought enough. I can't wait to see all your ugly mugs at Oscars again. :durr


Hey Windsor.......I'll be looking for you....... :Hump :nutkick

G-Body wars at the Grove this spring....... :D

Stop picking on the poor little guy with the funny looking pick-up truck and step up will ya....... :loser

UnderPSI
03-03-2005, 07:45 AM
G-bodies don't need to be in the 11's, I give them a head start :D

GRNDNL
03-03-2005, 08:13 AM
I give them a head start :D

I'll take the head start, I'm sure I'll need it.......... :punch:

Oh....Don't forget your wallet..... :deal

UnderPSI
03-03-2005, 10:28 AM
I'll take the head start, I'm sure I'll need it.......... :punch:

Oh....Don't forget your wallet..... :deal

Did you want the lint or the old business cards :D

GRNDNL
03-03-2005, 12:16 PM
Did you want the lint or the old business cards :D

Oh Oh....Ever think of asking Ronald for more hours....... :shades

SloFarmTruck
03-03-2005, 05:01 PM
[QUOTE=GRNDNL]Hey Windsor.......I'll be looking for you....... :Hump :nutkick

G-Body wars at the Grove this spring....... :D


Damn I guess I better start working some O.T. down at the food shelter so I can afford to play in the big leagues. :)

I am down for the G-Body wars..... :chair:

GRNDNL
03-03-2005, 07:22 PM
[QUOTE=GRNDNL]Hey Windsor.......I'll be looking for you....... :Hump :nutkick

G-Body wars at the Grove this spring....... :D


Damn I guess I better start working some O.T. down at the food shelter so I can afford to play in the big leagues. :)

I am down for the G-Body wars..... :chair:


Ya Ya......I heard your in the big money now, you got Chris's old job at Toys "R" Us........Just watch out, don't walk up behind the little girls in that Cool Geoffory costume of yours, if you scare them they'll kick you in the balls everytime.... :nutkick ......Oh Wait, I forgot, you don't need any balls, you drive a Monte......... :rolf :rolf

UnderPSI
03-03-2005, 08:04 PM
He doesn't need balls because he will have yours after the race :wooo

GRNDNL
03-03-2005, 09:38 PM
He doesn't need balls because he will have yours after the race :wooo


You should talk to Windsor, maybe he can get you a job at Toys "R" Us with him, heard they're looking for someone to work in Barbie accessories......talk about a job your well qualified for......Just don't spend all that big money accessorizing your collection..... ;) :durr

Crawlin
03-03-2005, 09:43 PM
cough...cough 550 shot :wooo Thats what I will need to apparantly beat the "stock" GN. :thumbsup
BTW thanks for the warning about wearing the geoffry costume. its a little late though since they once again promoted me to official sanitary cleanliness engineer. :headbang I am going to need it to afford my 2nd 15lb bottle. Spray it to the moon is my new motto.

Chris
windsorcapri
to lazy to sign in on my own screen name.

GTSLOW
03-03-2005, 09:47 PM
You should talk to Windsor, maybe he can get you a job at Toys "R" Us with him, heard they're looking for someone to work in Barbie accessories......talk about a job your well qualified for......Just don't spend all that big money accessorizing your collection..... ;) :durr

OMG this thread is great classic schmack talking at it's finest!

Keep up the good work guys! :thumbsup

btw underpsi needs to put his money where is mouth is! :gay :gay :gay












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FourEyedFord
03-03-2005, 09:54 PM
OMG this thread is great classic schmack talking at it's finest!

Keep up the good work guys! :thumbsup

btw underpsi needs to put his money where is mouth is! :gay :gay :gay









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SloFarmTruck
03-03-2005, 09:56 PM
OMG this thread is great classic schmack talking at it's finest!

Keep up the good work guys! :thumbsup

btw underpsi needs to put his money where is mouth is! :gay :gay :gay












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Does that money go in before or after your foot in your mouth? :chair: You must feal real safe talking smack from another continent!! j/k Can't wait to see your truck when it is finished. Just let Underpsi know where and when you want to race. Drag or road course. BTW GM already tried to make a "fast" truck just ask sycloon0044 how that turned out. :punch: there's a reason they don't make it anymore. :devil

GRNDNL
03-03-2005, 10:03 PM
cough...cough 550 shot :wooo Thats what I will need to apparantly beat the "stock" GN. :thumbsup
BTW thanks for the warning about wearing the geoffry costume. its a little late though since they once again promoted me to official sanitary cleanliness engineer. :headbang I am going to need it to afford my 2nd 15lb bottle. Spray it to the moon is my new motto.

Chris
windsorcapri
to lazy to sign in on my own screen name.

Hey....Congrats on the Promotion........Now you've finally got a job you can truly excell at...... :goof

How many seconds does it take to empty a 15lbs bottle?....Maybe 8 or 9?....Your going to need more than 2 bottles or you'll run out before you finish the 1/4....... :durr

Make sure you run the purge into the passenger compartment, you'll be the winner every time you hit the botton.... :nitrous

GTSLOW
03-04-2005, 03:02 AM
How many seconds does it take to empty a 15lbs bottle?....Maybe 8 or 9?....Your going to need more than 2 bottles or you'll run out before you finish the 1/4....... :durr

Make sure you run the purge into the passenger compartment, you'll be the winner every time you hit the botton.... :nitrous

:rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf

UnderPSI
03-04-2005, 07:26 AM
96S10, Just wanted to let you know your mom said she was worried about you. Oh, and she needs to borrow some more money.

Pick your track, and bring your money, I am rollin in cash with my new job,

Kieth, they have a new barbie out, it's called dumb as sh!t barbie, it is wearing a GN shirt. the three you have on order will be in soon. :chair:

GTSLOW
03-04-2005, 07:33 AM
96S10, Just wanted to let you know your mom said she was worried about you. Oh, and she needs to borrow some more money.

Heh well my mom died when I was 11 so I can't help ya there.

:flipoff2:

Ya talk the talk but, so far no walk. My truck might not be fast (partialy cause it wasnt ment to be).

So keep runnin yer mouth and ya might make some friends....... :loser

wasnt this thread orignally about building a strong 700r4?

UnderPSI
03-04-2005, 07:40 AM
You need to settle the fu(k down we are all having some fun, Don't walk the walk? I have won my fair share of races. not sure why you are talking at all your the one who can't back your **** up, you aren't even here :loser

GTSLOW
03-04-2005, 07:43 AM
You need to settle the fu(k down we are all having some fun, Don't walk the walk? I have won my fair share of races. not sure why you are talking at all your the one who can't back your **** up, you aren't even here :loser

LOL well if I was I'd be talking the same smack I am now.

What kinda car are we talking neways? Who knows after the s10 gets its turbo (sometime in the next 20years) we might hava run.

UnderPSI
03-04-2005, 07:47 AM
See, now you are being civil. Sorry about the previous comment, I have a 2000 Trans AM.

Why not go twin turbo?

GTSLOW
03-04-2005, 07:53 AM
See, now you are being civil. Sorry about the previous comment, I have a 2000 Trans AM.

Why not go twin turbo?

:rolf :thumbsup

Well partialy because I know I couldnt afford it :( The cheapest way I saw was a big turbo, custom tubing, and syclone/typhoon manifolds + bigger injectors/tuning and pray for the best. My main goal is only in the 500rwhp range :D

GRNDNL
03-04-2005, 07:54 AM
Kieth, they have a new barbie out, it's called dumb as sh!t barbie, it is wearing a GN shirt. the three you have on order will be in soon. :chair:


Hey thats great.....See if you can find some sparkly purple high heels for them, like the ones you had on when I was in ordering them...... :thumbsup

GTSLOW
03-04-2005, 07:59 AM
Hey thats great.....See if you can find some sparkly purple high heels for them, like the ones you had on when I was in ordering them...... :thumbsup

:rolf

This thread just keeps getting better and better. :popcorn

GRNDNL
03-04-2005, 08:01 AM
I have a 2000 Trans AM.


He's talking about real cars, not the one that came with your Dream House...... :rolleyes:

Crawlin
03-04-2005, 10:23 AM
My main goal is only in the 500rwhp range :D

That number has already been surpassed by person in question ;) on da Hayabusa Turbo

UnderPSI
03-07-2005, 07:34 AM
:rolf :thumbsup

Well partialy because I know I couldnt afford it :( The cheapest way I saw was a big turbo, custom tubing, and syclone/typhoon manifolds + bigger injectors/tuning and pray for the best. My main goal is only in the 500rwhp range :D

I know a guy that does great custom turbo work, he also has a manderal bender for custom pipes. just let me know when the turbo comes in :thumbsup

UnderPSI
03-07-2005, 07:36 AM
Hey thats great.....See if you can find some sparkly purple high heels for them, like the ones you had on when I was in ordering them...... :thumbsup

Yea, I got the last pair of purple but they have red in your size.

GRNDNL
03-07-2005, 08:50 AM
Yea, I got the last pair of purple but they have red in your size.


I stopped in last weekend to pick-up the GN shirt wearing dumb as sh!t Barbies that you were suppose to order for me, I guess you must have forgot again :rolleyes:, they were all sold out and didn't set any aside for me.. :eek: I'd be mad at you but I know you weren't feeling well, that monthly problem acting up again?......The cramps and bloating must be just terrible..... ;)

UnderPSI
03-07-2005, 12:05 PM
:rolf :rolf :rolf

"I don't care who you are,...That's funny"

Quote:Larry the Cable guy

juicedimpss
03-07-2005, 01:52 PM
this is deep around here

GRNDNL
03-07-2005, 02:03 PM
this is deep around here

Ya think..... :durr :D

juicedimpss
03-07-2005, 09:09 PM
now if these dudes had a hair on their ass, they would be scroungin money to race with....

GRNDNL
03-07-2005, 09:42 PM
now if these dudes had a hair on their ass, they would be scroungin money to race with....

Does that mean that you have hair on your ass?......(did I really just say that?)

You stepping up big guy?...... :shades

UnderPSI
03-08-2005, 07:25 AM
Did, I hear a guy with a sprayed impala that is still slow is handing out money???

juicedimpss
03-08-2005, 09:28 AM
I have always been slow and willing to give money away. :)

GRNDNL
03-08-2005, 10:17 AM
I have always been slow and willing to give money away. :)

Your just waisting our time if your not running in the 12's......... :)

juicedimpss
03-08-2005, 10:50 AM
i can run 14.2's on only a 100 shot.
who wants some of this.

juicedimpss
03-08-2005, 10:52 AM
that means i get the bust.

GRNDNL
03-08-2005, 11:12 AM
i can run 14.2's on only a 100 shot.
who wants some of this.

You need one of those blue air filters, you'd be in the 13's for sure.........

GTSLOW
03-08-2005, 09:37 PM
I know a guy that does great custom turbo work, he also has a manderal bender for custom pipes. just let me know when the turbo comes in :thumbsup

Sweet that was the one thing I was worried about was the intake tubing!

:D :D :D

juicedimpss
03-11-2005, 12:49 PM
You need one of those blue air filters, you'd be in the 13's for sure.........
That is how I got it to go that fast in the first place.