So I'm commin home from water street last night

[lotsals1]

then some dude in a new mach1 pulls up on me -does a few loser fly bys
so i finally give in to his bs own him like 8 times BADLY and the fool wouldnt give up :goof We went from every speed --and every speed I was spinnin like mad --what a dork it was Yellow so if you know him laugh at him :rolf

[JC70SS]

Good job Timmay!! I saw some tool in an 05 GT going about 90 last night...god those cars are :puke :puke BTW, what were you doing down there?? That is the 18-21yr old hang out!!

[Cryptic]

I like the 05's :confused

[deciuss]

whats car is that? never herd of it.

[Lash]

I like the 05's too. I didn't like them at first...but they are growing on me. I saw a white Saleen on e-bay and almost ruined my keyboard........with drool. :goof

[Rocket Power]

'nuther 05 fan :headbang

[lotsals1]

the 05 is very very FUGLY --they copied the 70 mustang and those i always thought were ugly and plain looking even when i was a ford guy. they should of did the 65-68 fast back.
I hate retro retries,and ford isnt the only one --look at the new charger by dodge Theres another beaut.The gto was a big disappointment WTF.

[lotsals1]

Good job Timmay!! I saw some tool in an 05 GT going about 90 last night...god those cars are :puke :puke BTW, what were you doing down there?? That is the 18-21yr old hang out!!Eh -One of the brawds I've been dateing wanted to go down there.I forgot how lame it was down there.

[turbogarrett]

'05 mustangs and '04 mach 1's make me want to vomit. Although a wheel upgrade would help big time. Ford had a good thing going with the '03-04 cobras and should've left it alone.

[Syclone0044]

Ford had a good thing going with the '03-04 cobras and should've left it alone.That's a damn good point - I didn't realize the 03-04 Cobras are finished and no new ones will be made :( Real bummer because it is the coolest thing Ford has produced IMO.

[BOSS LX]

That's a damn good point - I didn't realize the 03-04 Cobras are finished and no new ones will be made :( Real bummer because it is the coolest thing Ford has produced IMO.

The 06 cobra will be better in every way!

And even if you don't like the 05 mustangs, you have to admit that they look better then the 05 camaros! :rolf

[T-Bag]

The 06 cobra will be better in every way!

And even if you don't like the 05 mustangs, you have to admit that they look better then the 05 camaros! :rolf


ZING

[PB86MCSS]

BTW, what were you doing down there?? That is the 18-21yr old hang out!!

I was thinking the same thing...I'm 24 and feel old on Water St. ;). Too damn crowded most the time anyways for my liking. Common to see a few cheesedicks driving around there at night trying to show off their rides.

[Syclone0044]

Hey not to totally and completely go off-topic (whoops), but despite my like of the 03-04 Cobras I must admit their stock 1/4 mi times were surprisingly slow (low 13s at 108-ish is what I have witnessed most often). With this talk of the 05 Mustang being in the high 12s factory, does that mean the 3 Valve 4.6L N/A actually somehow runs faster than the FACTORY STOCK 4.6L supercharged DOHC? If so - how?? I'm just wondering (obviously the 4.6 Supercharged DOHC is much faster in even lightly modded form).

[lotsals1]

The 06 cobra will be better in every way!

And even if you don't like the 05 mustangs, you have to admit that they look better then the 05 camaros! :rolfWell the camaros are kinda like the thunderbirds were for a while.but when they do come back they will be bad ass--Just did some research on the new zo6 :wooo That is one bad mofo for sure --By the winter of 2006 there will be a ton of 600+ hp zo6s out there--I must own one dammit! The car is just that unreal :drool: :drool: http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/w/super.gif

[Cryptic]

Just did some research on the new zo6 :wooo That is one bad mofo for sure --By the winter of 2006 there will be a ton of 600+ hp zo6s out there--I must own one dammit! The car is just that unreal :drool: :drool: http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/w/super.gif

now your comparing a car that no back seat and costs another 20 grand

[lotsals1]

Hey not to totally and completely go off-topic (whoops), but despite my like of the 03-04 Cobras I must admit their stock 1/4 mi times were surprisingly slow (low 13s at 108-ish is what I have witnessed most often). With this talk of the 05 Mustang being in the high 12s factory, does that mean the 3 Valve 4.6L N/A actually somehow runs faster than the FACTORY STOCK 4.6L supercharged DOHC? If so - how?? I'm just wondering (obviously the 4.6 Supercharged DOHC is much faster in even lightly modded form).Well i like the 04 cobras -I've even ran a few modded ones at the track--and I talked to a guy for like a hour in stageing "busy night" he actually hunted me down to ask me what i did to my sled. he was runnin like 12.20 it was a nice car --it had some bad ass rims on it with a cool offset --but he was cool-lmao first thing he said (what shot you runnin) i said none he didnt beleive me so i popped the hatch showed him the emty bottle holder and the taped end of my line.That was the night i had plug wire issues all night --my best that night was only like 11.6 -i'll never relocate my coil packs again-the next week i went on my bald dr's and ran 11.55 on a 1.7 never the less not all mustang guys are f-body haters -i really liked the 04 stang body style -It had much better lines the 05 looks like a mustang grande did back in 70 just blah

[lotsals1]

now your comparing a car that no back seat and costs another 20 grandWell the cobra is fords best -and who cares about the rear seats wtf does that matter its not like they weigh anything and I never used the 2 in mine --If the f-body was still avail. you bet you azz the ss or ws6 would have a similar motor --since they are redoing it the zo6 is all gm has to offer -and for what that car is the price is very right. That car will top speed right with the s7 and those run half a million- so since its gms only car in that platform they went after not only the medium but the high end and suceeded -That car has hats off on the engineering side-- :shades
its not relying on boost to make its power

[Yooformula]

The 05s are growing on me to say the least BUT the backseat in that car is a JOKE! I couldnt sit in the back and put the drivers seat in a normal driving position. It was pathetic, they should have just made it a 2 seater unless you are putting kids in the back.

[PARALYZER]

Wait til the spring. At GLD you will see 05 Stangs running 13.6 to 14.1.
300 hp from the factory is not a lot. Just a lot more than the GT ever had.
GT's will still get slaughtered a lot.

[Syclone0044]

Wait til the spring. At GLD you will see 05 Stangs running 13.6 to 14.1.
300 hp from the factory is not a lot. Just a lot more than the GT ever had.
GT's will still get slaughtered a lot.
Good call!! :thumbsup

[Prince Valiant]

now your comparing a car that no back seat and costs another 20 grand Actually, another 40-50 grand. Pricing est have pegged the new zo6 on the low of low 60's to 75G.

[animal]

The 05s are growing on me to say the least BUT the backseat in that car is a JOKE! I couldnt sit in the back and put the drivers seat in a normal driving position.

I can't say I've ever been in an fbody that was any different though either. Only way I can fit is sideways :)

[SmokinRAM114]

the 05 is very very FUGLY --they copied the 70 mustang and those i always thought were ugly and plain looking even when i was a ford guy. they should of did the 65-68 fast back.
I hate retro retries,and ford isnt the only one --look at the new charger by dodge Theres another beaut.The gto was a big disappointment WTF.

dont hate the 70's :crying

haha jk :thumbsup

[Yooformula]

I can't say I've ever been in an fbody that was any different though either. Only way I can fit is sideways :)

I should rephrase....average height males can not even fit in the back seat of the 05's. I can sit in my car with someone else driving, it may not be comfortable but it can be done. Unlike the Mustang my 5'8" 220lb a$$ couldn't even get the drivers seat back so someone could drive. That is pathetic. :chair: :goof But if thats all I can ***** about(I'm sure I could think of more if I needed to :goof ), thats not too bad.

[lotsals1]

dont hate the 70's :crying

haha jk :thumbsupI like the 69 and the 69 shelby if they did a 69 shelby version -i might like it --the car just has no lines but its just my .02

[lotsals1]

The way i see it the zo6 is worth every bit the price-when you compare the cars it can whoop ass on--hell from the show room it most likely will be a 10sec car and a hell of a road america car if not the . If i had the money i would jump on one ssmike would be in heaven :thumbsup

[lotsals1]

Wait til the spring. At GLD you will see 05 Stangs running 13.6 to 14.1.
300 hp from the factory is not a lot. Just a lot more than the GT ever had.
GT's will still get slaughtered a lot.Marv you bought the right year,that body style is killer looking --i dont think the 05 is sellin that well so maybe they will shiitcan the style

[Prince Valiant]

Marv you bought the right year,that body style is killer looking --i dont think the 05 is sellin that well so maybe they will shiitcan the style
They are selling every 05 they can get...some areas there are mark-ups still

[SmokinRAM114]

I like the 69 and the 69 shelby if they did a 69 shelby version -i might like it --the car just has no lines but its just my .02

how cant you like the 70's when they're almost the same as the 69? exception to the side scoops on the 69? :confused but the shelby is a different car.

[SmokinRAM114]

1970

http://www.americandreamcars.com/1970mustang011603.jpg


1969

http://home.no.net/ayla/Ford/images/1969%20Ford%20Mustang.jpg


:thumbsup

[scubastang]

With this talk of the 05 Mustang being in the high 12s factory).
I guess there already is a bunch of them in the high 12s with light or "free mods" - like remove intake, sticky tires etc.
I am a fan of the 05 :thumbsup
pics from the 05 chicago auto show (sorry for crappy quality):
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200501.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200497.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200502.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200504.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200498.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200503.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200499.JPG

[scubastang]

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200500.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200526.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200528.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200530.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200539.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200531.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200540.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200532.JPG

[scubastang]

lol :goof --> http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200538.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200534.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200535.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200536.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200533.JPG
http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200541.JPG

[lotsals1]

They are selling every 05 they can get...some areas there are mark-ups stillif you say so :rolleyes:

[lotsals1]

how cant you like the 70's when they're almost the same as the 69? exception to the side scoops on the 69? :confused but the shelby is a different car.Well i dont really like either --but that lil scoop breaks the rear quarter up a lil --on the 70 the rear quarter just looks to empty and has no lines --the shelby is not a different car its a 69 stang with much better lines , gt500kr I think and has better tail lights and bumpers and grill as well as the scoops

[turbogarrett]

They are selling every 05 they can get...some areas there are mark-ups still

Where did you hear that? I see more sitting in dealership lots than I do on the street. Remember when all those morons were paying over sticker for ford's last mistake, the thunderbird :goof

[Prince Valiant]

if you say so :rolleyes:
There is a world outside Milwaukee, you know?

Life is good for the Mustang-obsessed these days. The long-awaited remake for 2005, featuring a stronger performance, stiffer suspension and distinct touches of Mustangs past, hit the streets running last fall.

Convertible versions -- which started production just last week in Flat Rock, Mich. -- are due out in the spring. And an SVT coupe harnessed to about 400 horses -- tough enough to look Corvette squarely in the eye -- is slated for a fall debut.

Ford execs are as excited as Mustang maniacs themselves. Ford sold 10,285 Mustangs in January, a 3.8 percent increase over last January, but Ford claims those figures don't even tell the whole story. Take away lower fleet deliveries, Ford says, and there has been a 33-percent spike in actual retail demand.

Sales in October were up 20 percent over 2003, Ford reports, and that figure jumped to a supercharged 50 percent in November over the previous year.

''The Mustang is off to a hero's start; we're completely excited about the sales numbers,'' said a Mustang design executive who goes by the name of J Mays. He says it's been 30 years since they've seen this kind of excitement.

[SlowStee]

lol :goof --> http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200538.JPG

" The hell you lookin at?? I didnt put the damn thing on!! " :rolf :goof

[PARALYZER]

I'm Sorry, those cars are not ugly. The V6's are hideous, but the pics above are gorgeous!! The orange one wasn't at the detroit show

[BOSS LX]

Where did you hear that? I see more sitting in dealership lots than I do on the street. Remember when all those morons were paying over sticker for ford's last mistake, the thunderbird :goof


If the T-bird and 05 Mustangs are mistakes, then GM's whole line up must be one huge fvck story!

Drive around and see how many 05 GT's you see on the lots. The 05 is a HUGE hit!

And the new z06 will never even smell the 10's, let alone 11's.

[Crawlin]

now come on Andy, I know a guy in IL that took is '03 Z06 to a 12.0x BONE STOCK. And I know one that hit the 11's on a DR with an intake. The new z06 will hit 11's, but i doubt 10's like you said.

Chris

[Crawlin]

there's been a ton of interest in the '05's down at our Ford store. don' tknow how well they are selling. maybe JUNK GSX can jump in on that one. weather is still a big thing. they weren't kidding in that ford commercial with the convertible! I hope alot of people start building them up. Some of the drag cars i've seen heading towards NMRA/FFW/PRO type events look SICK!!!

[Prince Valiant]

And the new z06 will never even smell the 10's, let alone 11's. If the heavier viper that has less advantagous gears and the same 500hp can hit 11's, I'd be pretty certain the new zo6 will be solid 11's.

I honestly think that the new zo6 with all bolt-ons, gears, and DR will go 10's. Think about it...the heads have tremendous flow out of the box, 2.2 inch valves....not 2.02, but 2.2 :wooo and flow as much as 320cfm at peak flow.

427ci
11.0 CR
a cam with ~ .600 lift and aggressive duration numbers...

Now, I know someone with heads that don't flow as well, with less CR, less cubic inches,I think he had more cam though, and 4.30 gears and as much wt. when he was "stripped" and he was in the 11.5 range~120-ish range...so NO reason to think that the new z06 with mods of the bolt-on variety, and then the required gears and DR's 10's are possible. Which is friggen' amazing.

Now, I actually know a chevy fanboi that says it'll be 10's easily with bolt-ons, and a few may even touch 10's bone stock with DR's....that, I'm not too sure about :rolleyes:

[Yooformula]

If the T-bird and 05 Mustangs are mistakes, then GM's whole line up must be one huge fvck story!
And the new z06 will never even smell the 10's, let alone 11's.

Dude, 500hp at 3100lbs will easily hit 11's :wooo Gm's lineup may be a joke imo, but the Thunderbird is still a flop! On the other hand the 05 Stang is going to be a runaway hit for sure and with good reason.

[turbogarrett]

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200501.JPG


Ok I'll admit this one is growing on me, (I wonder what's pushing air through that intercooler) and they're not nearly as bad as the T-Bird :D .

As for the new Z06 not hitting 11's, wanna put some money on it?

[lotsals1]

Well dont ya think since GM is has only one hi perf car out now ,and the ford guys Finally made a car that has some balls "great for them" its about time ! but since gm doesnt have a "Camaro or firebird to offer" and Ford guys talking up ford it kinda reminds me of that pathetic loser flyby the mach did on me last weekend. If in fact there was a 05 Camaro or T/A You know damn well GM would have a full can .Gm has something up their sleeve
and its much better than the ls1 ls2 witch ford is finally catching up to those.
Well i hope at least they put forged rods and pistons in what ever they are doing this time --the gen 4 smallblock "hell i cant wait"
AND now why would you say something so dumb "the zo6 will never smell the 11's" Cmon man I bet you they will be deep 11's and high 10's and thats with the "wimpy" cam that they have ---If i had one and if i do get one-I could put that car in the low 10's within 1 season of owning it :drool:
And thats without nitrous :crying

[lotsals1]

Dude, 500hp at 3100lbs will easily hit 11's :wooo Gm's lineup may be a joke imo, but the Thunderbird is still a flop! On the other hand the 05 Stang is going to be a runaway hit for sure and with good reason.Well only because there isnt anything else ;)

[BOSS LX]

I have no doubt that the Z06 will run in the 11's. I just have a hard time believing they will hit 10's with minor bolt ons. It takes a very fast car to run in the tens with drag radials. Look how much hp it took Mopar Jims viper to get in the 10's on drag radials.

I do like the new Z06, and I think it will be a major performer. But it will take more then a few bolt ons to run in the 10's.

And I do not like the t bird much either, but they are really not geared toward us.

[BOSS LX]

I really do not care about these topics, I just like throwing my Ford opinion on a GM board. :rolf

To put the Ford and GM thing aside, I am not a big fan of mod motors, (yes I own one) and I wish Ford still made something with push rods.

So we are even, GM doesn't make a pony car, and Ford doesn't make a real motor. :goof

Mod motor or not, they 06 cobra will be badass.

[BAD LS1]

This is the one in HOT ROD that PHP got to run 12.31's @ 112 in a week with lightening, suspension, and boltons with tuning :headbang

Man this S.O.B. looks tuff as fukk with the slicks and skinnies, im biased cuz im a sucker for the all out drag race look :)

I mean this is the best one right here out of all these 05's and its the first one of its kind in the 12's :D

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200498.JPG

[BOSS LX]

This is the one in HOT ROD that PHP got to run 12.31's @ 112 in a week with lightening, suspension, and boltons with tuning :headbang

Man this S.O.B. looks tuff as fukk with the slicks and skinnies, im biased cuz im a sucker for the all out drag race look :)

I mean this is the best one right here out of all these 05's and its the first one of its kind in the 12's :D

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200498.JPG


I agree.

[Poncho]

This is the one in HOT ROD that PHP got to run 12.31's @ 112 in a week with lightening, suspension, and boltons with tuning :headbang

Man this S.O.B. looks tuff as fukk with the slicks and skinnies, im biased cuz im a sucker for the all out drag race look :)

I mean this is the best one right here out of all these 05's and its the first one of its kind in the 12's :D

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200498.JPG


I think that one looks like ****.
reminds me of just another ragged 5.0

however, the majority of the rest.... god damn.. .whew. nothing I love more than a car w:
nice color
hardly any wheel gap
big wheels, but not "damn homie, yo yo" big
hauls ass.

if chevy had a camaro that was identical in "era" look, I'd be in line.

[BAD LS1]

The hood and the graphics are a little over the top, but then again im not into "turning" to appreciate the others, however the sonic blue corner carver is pretty sharp.

Still fast, still a bad ass drag racer, the red one takes the cake for me :drool:

Hahhah plus the exposed Moser "M" looks strikingly familiar too ;)

http://www.virtualchooch.com/files/mike/carshow/S4200503.JPG

[Greg@GLD]

FORD MUSTANG – A NORTH-AMERICAN ICON – NAMED 2005 CANADIAN CAR OF THE YEAR


2005 Ford Mustang named “Canadian Car of the Year” by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada.
Mustang sales galloped to a second straight sales increase in January, its best since 2001
All-new Mustang convertible model arrives in dealer showrooms this spring for an additional volume boost.

TORONTO, ON - February 16, 2005 – Ford Mustang – an icon of North-American performance and the best-selling sports car in the country – today was named “Canadian Car of the Year” for 2005.


Ford Mustang received the 2005 Canadian Car of the Year award this morning at the Canadian International Auto Show in Toronto, voted by members of the Automobile Journalists' Association of Canada (AJAC.)


“It’s official: The 2005 Ford Mustang is the best new car in Canada,” says Joe Hinrichs, Ford of Canada president and CEO. “It’s truly gratifying to see Canadian journalists confirm what more than 40 years of Mustang owners already know – that Mustang is the true embodiment of design, driver satisfaction and affordability.”

The AJAC Car of the Year award is designed to recognize the most outstanding car of the year based on factors including innovation, design, safety, handling, driver satisfaction and value for the dollar. To be eligible, vehicles must be “all new” or “substantially changed” from the previous model. The 2005 Mustang was chosen the winner from three finalists, including the Chrysler 300C and the Honda Accord Hybrid.


Off to a Fast Start

Since launch last October, the new 2005 Mustang has been an instant sensation with new car buyers. This builds on Mustang's current dominance in the Sports Car segment, where it is the number one sports car and convertible in Canada. This spring, the Mustang convertible will join the coupe in Ford dealer showrooms for an additional volume boost.


“Mustang ‘mania’ is running rampant throughout North America,” says Hinrichs. “Customers are going to extreme measures to secure their piece of the North American legend with on-lookers drooling over their new purchase at every stoplight.”


A True American Legend

Since its dramatic 1964 introduction, Ford Mustang has been the icon of North American performance with its bold style, brawny engine and rear-wheel-drive excitement.


It has thrived for 40 years by staying true to the basic formula established in 1964: great design and affordable performance. The new 2005 Ford Mustang continues that tradition with an all-new platform and clean-sheet design that makes it faster, safer, more agile and better looking than ever.


The vehicle’s signature long hood and short rear deck capitalize on 40 years of history, as do classic design cues that have defined Mustangs since the 1960s: C-scoop lines on the sides, three-element taillamps and a galloping horse badge in the centre of the grille.



The 2005 Ford Mustang convertible is the first in a string of specialty versions of the new Mustang. Just as noteworthy, it is the most solid, best handling and most refined open-air version yet of this North American legend.

And because the convertible was designed alongside the coupe and not as an afterthought, it is much more solid than coupe-derived convertibles of the past. Better still, it retains all of the personality that has made the Ford Mustang one of the most-loved automotive nameplates in history.


A History of Success

Mustang is no stranger to success, having garnered numerous awards over its 40-year history, including winning Car and Driver’s “10 Best Award” four times, the Motor Trend “Car of the Year Award” twice and numerous design awards.


There are more than 250 Mustang enthusiast clubs around the world.


Since 1965 more than eight million Mustangs have been sold.


The Mustang Coupe model starts at $23,795 for the V-6 model or $32,795 for the GT V-8, making both the most affordable rear-wheel drive sports coupes in the industry. The 2005 Ford Mustang Convertible is the most affordable V-6 and V-8 drop-top sports car in North America – starting at $27,995 for the V-6 model or $36,795 for the V-8 GT.

[fordpirate82]

I think the 05 mustang looks awesome. In the March edition of Mustang and Fords there is an article about the new 2005 Saleen S-281 Mustangs. There are three versions: 325hp $38,000, 400hp-sc $45,000, and 500hp-sc $50,000. This article also mentions that 2006 will bring a new SVT Cobra and at least one new Shelby Mustang. :headbang That new Z06 and its aluminum frame looks very bad a**. How about that new charger.....oh......it's got four doors.......... :sgay

[Greg@GLD]

This is the one in HOT ROD that PHP got to run 12.31's @ 112 in a week with lightening, suspension, and boltons with tuning :headbang

Man this S.O.B. looks tuff as fukk with the slicks and skinnies, im biased cuz im a sucker for the all out drag race look :)

I mean this is the best one right here out of all these 05's and its the first one of its kind in the 12's :D




I did Paul's website for him Tom... http://www.paulshp.com

[Prince Valiant]

To put the Ford and GM thing aside, I am not a big fan of mod motors, (yes I own one) and I wish Ford still made something with push rods. Well, let's see what ford does with it's clean-sheet, "hurricane" v8 in 07 or 08....I heard as much as 7.0 liters.

[scubastang]

some of them look OK, some look crappy (Roush/Steeda). But some are absolutely sick like the black Bonspeed one (will find more pics as it is sick). They are truly sweet cars if you haven't seen them in person. Performance wise, they are being easily tuned already close or at 300rwhp with I think some minor minor bolt ons, SCT PROM flash and some simple dyno tuning. A rep for SCT showed me a stock A/F datalog and it was all over the board! He said they took a stock car, simply leaned some parts out and fatted up a few, took care of like the fly by wire TB hesitation crap and a few more things and ran a high 12. He said add stickies and mid 12s werent out of the question.

For performance, this car is going to rock. The new EEC for this car is insane - just powerful as all hell. AEM doesn't even know how to approach this car with a plug and play as it is so complex. Flashing will make tuning very easy and fun as well. We all know the chassis, suspension and quality are vastly improved - I finally drove one last week and the interior is very nice for the price, albeit a little bland like all mustang blah 2 tone grey interiors.

So great handling, ok weight (~3400ish), vastly improved quality, great stock performance for the price.....this basically leads to the question of potential, because who honestly looks at these cars in a "stock light"?

The biggest thing that will hold this car back performance, but has yet to be pushed is the internals on the mod motor. The motor is good base that has been into the 8s, but questionable things like the cam oil gears, crank, powdered rods, cast pistons have always held the non cobra motors back. Sure throw in better rods and pistons, throw some N02 or boost and go make 600rwhp. But honeslty not many want to tear into a warranty ladened car.

I for one cant wait for someone to throw some heavy boost at the thing and see how far she will go in stock trim! Ohh yeah that first blue front mounted car is Procharged.

[BOSS LX]

Well, let's see what ford does with it's clean-sheet, "hurricane" v8 in 07 or 08....I heard as much as 7.0 liters.
:confused

[Prince Valiant]

:confused What? A ford guy hasn't heard of the "hurricane"?

Ford has already started work OR at least done some feasibility studies on a new clean sheet, pushrod motor primarily for trucks. Code named Hurricane. V8 displacement to be around 6.1 to as much as 7.0 liters. The primary reason it was brought out was to compete against the hemi and LS motors...

Some rumors has said though that the motor is dead due to lack of fianancing from ford...as it needs to develop motors for other vehicles at this time, and feeling that the large v8's are but a fad :chair:

[scubastang]

I found a few more pics. First on is first 4V Cobra motor swap in a 05. Strapped down it put out 650rwhp.
http://img187.exs.cx/img187/2092/05gt44ji.jpg
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/6900/05gt4vtransplant3vu.jpg
1800rwhp Drag 05:
http://img187.exs.cx/img187/4904/crazy058jj.jpg
Nice 2 tone:
http://img163.exs.cx/img163/1130/df11iu.jpg

[turbogarrett]

Strange that the first 2 pics were dated in early '03?

[BAD LS1]

I did Paul's website for him Tom... http://www.paulshp.com

Thats awesome!! that 9.79 Cobra R is pretty bad ass too!! :rock:

[jbiscuit]

HOLY SNOT! That Cobra R is VERY badass! I really like what they did with the 05 though too! Pretty tough :thumbsup

[BadAzzGTA89]

I still like this look!
http://www.uniqueperformance.com/images/base8.jpg
http://www.uniqueperformance.com/images/base7.jpg

[GRNDNL]

That Yellow and Black car is really cool........ :thumbsup

[Al]

Strange that the first 2 pics were dated in early '03?

Then again, there have been some 05's issued to a few select individuals since the beginning of 04.


BTW- as for the ZO6, doesn't first gear run up to 60? Even the normal C6, 1st goes to 60.


One more thing:
Is the "O" in ZO6 a letter or number? Considering that chevy had a ZR1; two letters, one number; and the Z28 Z24; one letter, two numbers.

I've been wondering about this one for some time.

[lotsals1]

Then again, there have been some 05's issued to a few select individuals since the beginning of 04.


BTW- as for the ZO6, doesn't first gear run up to 60? Even the normal C6, 1st goes to 60.


One more thing:
Is the "O" in ZO6 a letter or number? Considering that chevy had a ZR1; two letters, one number; and the Z28 Z24; one letter, two numbers.

I've been wondering about this one for some time. I'm sure it does more than advertised --gear has a lot to do with it-and its 500 brute force rwhp its not like a exotic where its only good on the xway --hell my T/A when i had the 2:73's -i would run the entire 1/4 mile in second gear and trap 114 at 11:97 for a best --The off the floor modle will be tamed by the computer -- I will bet with free mods and some editing 550rwhp will be had without a problem at all --with a nice cam and header combo "look out" .
the cam in the car is tiny in most respects , The car is that freeking bad a$$
It will be the fasted off the floor car ever made by a domestic car company
If I didnt owe on my car --I would have one without a doubt, I want to drive one ,but i know if I do I would be jonzen for real :drool: :drool: :drool:

[Greg@GLD]

hell my T/A when i had the 2:73's -i would run the entire 1/4 mile in second gear and trap 114 at 11:97 for a best


Hmmm... since your 2nd gear is 1.78:1, assuming you crossed the traps at 114 MPH on a 26" tire with a 2.73 rear, you would have been turning 7,159 RPM thru the traps in 2nd gear. :bsflag

Maybe you can explain that to us? To get an 11.9 out of 114 MPH would require a pretty decent 60 foot time too. Not going to happen with a 2.73 rear launching in 2nd gear. :shades

[Prince Valiant]

Hmmm... since your 2nd gear is 1.78:1, assuming you crossed the traps at 114 MPH on a 26" tire with a 2.73 rear, you would have been turning 7,159 RPM thru the traps in 2nd gear. :bsflag I think he runs some taller (~28inch) slicks greg.

[lotsals1]

Hmmm... since your 2nd gear is 1.78:1, assuming you crossed the traps at 114 MPH on a 26" tire with a 2.73 rear, you would have been turning 7,159 RPM thru the traps in 2nd gear. :bsflag

Maybe you can explain that to us? To get an 11.9 out of 114 MPH would require a pretty decent 60 foot time too. Not going to happen with a 2.73 rear launching in 2nd gear. :shadesI think there are a few on this board that can vouch for it :rolleyes: and it was on drag radials just to check ya one more time :chair: it was on a 1.7 60ft :rolf and i have a auto so i dont launch in second i launched in od then i pull in down right away into second and leave it and 7100 isnt **** for a ls1 my rev. limitter now is set at 7k and i hit the rev limmiter all the time my old cam made power to 6600 ;) Go to ls1.com and look for the thread who's the fastest N/A 2:73 oh yah the car weighed 3550 the only thing that was removed was the rear seat and and spare tire :devil untuned and double footing it "because the computer didnt know how to idle the car"the sled ran 12.20@113 heck i think marv was there that night with his dads vette
Dunno what youre looking for here cheif -- It is what it is -and others can vouch for it :shades well it is much faster now but thats what it was i should say

[lotsals1]

I think he runs some taller (~28inch) slicks greg.Drag radials --hell i could put the 2:73's back in if someone is a betting man . If he assumed that i had a 6 speed then maybe his math is based on that assumption

[Greg@GLD]

Drag radials --hell i could put the 2:73's back in if someone is a betting man . If he assumed that i had a 6 speed then maybe his math is based on that assumption


I did say "assuming" and yea, I thought you had a 6-speed. I don't doubt your car's fast, it's the "I ran a full 1/4 mile in 2nd gear" that caught my attention. Your 2nd gear in an A4 isn't 1.78, that would change things by quite a bit...

[Syclone0044]

2nd gear in a 700-R4/4L60/4L60-E is 1.63 ratio.

I am astonished that anyone can run 11s on a stock motor with 2.73s as well :stare the motor has almost *GOT* to be out of the powerband a lot of the time ?? :confused

As for the Z06 427 I have to disagree with your statement it has a "tiny" factory cam; I think it has a very large cam from the factory, and comes pretty high strung to begin with. In fact, it probably has the largest camshaft GM has ever produced factory. Did you notice they rated the peak HP at 7000 RPM? Also I beleive the torque was less than the Horsepower. High RPM peak = relatively weak bottom end (as compared to something similar with a moderate RPM peak). However with 427ci I am sure even "relatively weak" bottom end power will test the limits of drag-racing-UNFriendly 18" thin-sidewall tires' traction. One other point I have is that the LS1 was not known for even making 1 HP per CI from the factory (rated), except in the highest-end LS6 version made 405hp (rated) from 346cid. Somehow you think the LS7 427 will be making 500HP at the WHEELS from the factory? No, I don't have any evidence to say it is false or unlikely.., but I wish you could show some references to support the claim.

I will not be afraid of the Z06 427 on the street or strip if I should even be so lucky as to encounter one. This car is made for road racing not Drag racing, I wonder if you will even be able to fit a proper tire on the car with its large disc brakes; I know that Mopar Jim would have a shot at 9s if his "135mph on the first pass" Viper did not have such large rear brakes and he could fit a real tire on there.

[Yooformula]

One other point I have is that the LS1 was not known for even making 1 HP per CI from the factory (rated), except in the highest-end LS6 version made 405hp (rated) from 346cid.

I glanced over the rest of your post but this point right here is wrong. Every LS1 that came out was rated at 305 yet almost every single one put down between 285-310 at the ground which would mean that they were making well in excess of the 305 rating which in most cases is more than the 1 hp per CI. By your statement you are looking for a 346ci LS1 to produce at least that much in flywheel hp which is 294rwhp. Mine stock put down 313rwhp, I'd say that meets your requirement. The LS6 made more but was still rated the same if I am not mistaken. They may not be efficient 4cy motors but they surely covered the hp/ci statement.

[Syclone0044]

You make good points, but if you read closely you will see I stated that the LS1 was not rated from the factory at 1 HP per CI. Since we don't know the actual true HP of the Z06 427, I thought it would be unfair to compare known actual RWHP LS1 numbers versus factory rated 427 flywheel HP numbers.

Although looking at http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?modelid=10052&src=vip, it seems in 2002 the base LS1 V8 Camaro was rated at 310HP and the SS/Firehawk model rated at 325HP. The 1998 Camaro LS1 was rated at 305HP.

[lotsals1]

Like i said Josh --i heard once you thought i sprayed my car --And now I hear this ---I'll tell you what --you and Greg get together 500 bucks and meet me at the track -i'll put the 2:73's in and make a bunch of passes.
My offer stands --If you think "what you know"
To be that infaluble to where you risk being humbled and out 500$ :D

[Syclone0044]

Tim I think you misinterpreted my post; I said I was astonished it ran those times considering the factors against it; I know the times you ran, I think you showed me the timeslips?? Sheesh I was only trying to say I was impressed :(

As for the nitrous I dont believe you used it; you showed me the unconnected kit at the Borchardt's car show remember?? You'll have to double check your rumor mill from now on :goof

BTW what did you think about my post suggesting the 2.73s + high stall converter combo caused/contributed to your transmission failures?

[lotsals1]

I'm not pissed or anything Josh --just if someone calls me out like Greg did I am always ready to check them on it. I know what my sled can do ,If i can make someone look like an a$$ and make some money too why the heck not.
I've been wrenching on cars since i was 10 years old-my older brother always had something. But before all this technology there were other ways to make power -you "felt" your car needed fuel ,it wasnt because a laptop told you it did -thats what i've always done and I'm glad that they still work.
All the little things that help will end up on the End result. There are areas still that need improvement and thats my motivation for this season.A few of them i just thought of when i pm'd you :thumbsup

[Greg@GLD]

I'm not pissed or anything Josh --just if someone calls me out like Greg did I am always ready to check them on it. I know what my sled can do ,If i can make someone look like an a$$ and make some money too why the heck not.


Hey bud, asking someone about how they say they ran an 11.9@114MPH in 2nd gear down the whole 1/4 mile hardly makes me look like an ass.

I should know better than to wander over to this site... :rolleyes:

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