Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

[lordairgtar]

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/04/23/chinese-automaker-blatantly-copies-ford-f-150/?intcmp=features

[lordairgtar]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-UmIUZl4dKFw/Ty1gZE7LZLI/AAAAAAAGoWk/Q-tnUMp6lZ8/JAC-Chevrolet-Silverado-13_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800
Looks like a Chevy truck.

[spooln30]

They've been doing that for a long time.

[Rocket Power]

They've been doing that for a long time.

This.
Some makers even have logos that are really close to other manufacturers.
Chinese cars have a long way to go before I'd feel safe in one.

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[USMARINE1108]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4

[Gregor]

Their was a urban legend that a group of Chevrolet execs went to China to talk about opening a parts production facility. When they arrived at the hotel the the company that was trying to swoon the chevy execs to having them build their parts picked them up in a complete knock off of a Trailblazer.

If its true, boy that must have been uncomfortable moment.

[Gregor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bNf-jcVU0

[spooln30]

That Top Gear video is too funny. Of course the Chinese government will side with their own people in lawsuits. It's not even worth the time and money trying to sue these knock off companies. I like the name of that X5 knock off. Lol

[USMARINE1108]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bNf-jcVU0

Awesome. Lol!

[animal]

Chinese cars have a long way to go before I'd feel safe in one.

I don't even feel safe walking around in my fake NFL jersey. :rolf

[Prince Valiant]

http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/bj2500.jpg

The Chinese have never respected intellectual property because for all it's manufacturing prowess, it actually has few ideas. Most companies that deal in china won't push the issue too hard, since they all wish to (have to?) curry favor with the gov't to get their goods in the fastest growing market in the world. Since the companies that produce these knock-offs don't really deal too much or at all in other countries, it's near impossible to sue them in a country that respects intellectual property.

[animal]

So is general tso's chicken really like, jerry from queens 's chicken?

Gotta keep your ideas secret around that sneaky general tso.

[-stew-]

Just one of the many, many, many, many ways China is taking over this country, and possibly the world. But hey, them sockets at harbor freight are only ten bucks a rail, and they got drill presses on sale for six bucks.

[jbiscuit]

China is well on its way to becoming the ruler of this world. America is sure helping that too with our need to purchase poorly made Chinese crap goods. I haven't seen a latest statistic but aren't they like billions in the black? Another thing to remember is china has poor people and rich people. Rich people own everything and the poor are the factory workers....making a fraction what they should be. They have cheap cheap labor and manufacturing itself down to a science. If everyone in the world keeps buying, they keep booming. Simple as that. No outrageous wages to pay so it's a win win. My old boss used to tell me stories about the restaurants that just chuck food waste into the alley and watch all the people come dig through it for a moldy tomato or chicken scraps. So gross. That place is crazy

[Prince Valiant]

They said the same exact thing about japan....

[USMARINE1108]

They said the same exact thing about japan....

But we have had Japan by the balls with sanctions since WWII (as I'm sure you know, the bombing of Pearl Harbor was the end result of a series of events after embargos the US imposed).

We (the US) still don't allow them to fly any tactical aircraft (just unarmed transports, trainers and sea planes with HUGE orange stripes) or field any weapons which can be offensive in nature. The US still does this (to a certain point) in order to make sure we can keep OUR bases there (there are some pretty major ones there for all branches). In return, we are their military. The Norks send a rocket over Japan? Guess who responds. The Norks start shooting at South Korea in Nov 2010? Yep, my Thanksgiving was spent in Seoul. And the Japanese rejoice.

Okinawa specifically want's the Marines out of there. In response, The US threatens to give HUGE tax breaks in addition to money to American companies which currently operate in/have headquarters in Okinawa so they will come back to the US. Then a bunch of Okinawans would be out of a job and the economy would suffer. It's all just a game.

Point is, we had/have leverage with Japan, we don't have that with China. They own our debt.

[Haulin' Oates]

China is sitting ontop of a huge real estate bubble right now, sound familiar? Glad they copied that part too.

[Gregor]

China is well on its way to becoming the ruler of this world. America is sure helping that too with our need to purchase poorly made Chinese crap goods.

HAHAHA just got kicked in the balls by my Snap On dealer for a set of sockets.

[Prince Valiant]

We (the US) still don't allow them to fly any tactical aircraft (just unarmed transports, trainers and sea planes with HUGE orange stripes) or field any weapons which can be offensive in nature. This isn't correct. Japan has a very capable navy and airforce, and make their own (copies) of our planes...one called mitsubishi f-15, which is in fact, just like ours, an air superiority fighter. Likewise the atack/multi-role fighter is carried out by the mitsubishi f-2, a tweaked version of our f-16. Due to their own constitution, they are not allowed to be the "aggressor", but are quite well equipped even if we weren't there, to defend themselves. They, on their own, are probably in the top 7 in terms of military strength in the world.

And when "they" were saying Japan was going to own us, all the relevant facts about WWII, their military, whatever where still there...this didn't stop them from owning much of our debt, a considerable portion of our real estate, buying a considerable number of our companies with a similar trade imbalance that "favors" them(and still does). The fact is, the doomsayers were wrong then and tend to misunderstand global economics.

And as a general aside (not directed at you in particular USMARINE1108), there is talk of China's economy growing past us by the end of the year...but this is as measured in a convoluted "Purchasing Power Parity" formula (PPP) that is not to say total size of the economy. In terms of total GDP (nominal), the US economy is still roughly twice the size of china's. PPP tries to equalize based primarily on purchasing power, yet what the chinese purchase is not the same as what we purchase...IE, buildings produced and built here are to a very different standard than buildings there...in many different ways, so while both end up with a building, for X or Y dollars, they don't end up with the same building. Cars as well...the typical car purchased there, while looking much the same, is a completely different car than here.

So the PPP measure of GDP that china will pass us in isn't just like comparing apples to oranges...but more like abacuses to smart phones.

[-stew-]

HAHAHA just got kicked in the balls by my Snap On dealer for a set of sockets.

I recently bought a Snap-on 1/4 drive ratchet. $125. Used. Ain't care. 'Merica.

[USMARINE1108]

This isn't correct. Japan has a very capable navy and airforce, and make their own (copies) of our planes...one called mitsubishi f-15, which is in fact, just like ours, an air superiority fighter. Likewise the atack/multi-role fighter is carried out by the mitsubishi f-2, a tweaked version of our f-16. Due to their own constitution, they are not allowed to be the "aggressor", but are quite well equipped even if we weren't there, to defend themselves. They, on their own, are probably in the top 7 in terms of military strength in the world.

And when "they" were saying Japan was going to own us, all the relevant facts about WWII, their military, whatever where still there...this didn't stop them from owning much of our debt, a considerable portion of our real estate, buying a considerable number of our companies with a similar trade imbalance that "favors" them(and still does). The fact is, the doomsayers were wrong then and tend to misunderstand global economics.

And as a general aside (not directed at you in particular USMARINE1108), there is talk of China's economy growing past us by the end of the year...but this is as measured in a convoluted "Purchasing Power Parity" formula (PPP) that is not to say total size of the economy. In terms of total GDP (nominal), the US economy is still roughly twice the size of china's. PPP tries to equalize based primarily on purchasing power, yet what the chinese purchase is not the same as what we purchase...IE, buildings produced and built here are to a very different standard than buildings there...in many different ways, so while both end up with a building, for X or Y dollars, they don't end up with the same building. Cars as well...the typical car purchased there, while looking much the same, is a completely different car than here.

So the PPP measure of GDP that china will pass us in isn't just like comparing apples to oranges...but more like abacuses to smart phones.

Jap Eagles and Vipers aren't copies, they came strait from McD's and GD. The US sells aircraft to many countries. F-15s and F-16's to Israel, Hornets to Argentina, Canada, Australia, Finland etc. Even F-14's to Iran (way back), F-35s will go to many countries............ the list goes on and on. The current true air superiority fighter is the Raptor which we refused to sell to anyone else. The thing to really understand here (I do have quite a bit of experience in this) is that we sell the aircraft without avionics. Avionics is what makes an aircraft lethal. Without a good radar, comms, weapons systems, IFF, targeting systems, EW etc.......... it's just a fast airplane that can turn on a dime. I've made 3 deployments to Japan (1.5 years) and have worked very closely with the Jap forces. I've also worked very closely with the forces in Guam, Thailand, Singapore, Philippines, Berni, SK, Aussies etc on their own turf (some of them with our American airframes). They buy the aircraft and it's up to them to develop their own avionics, or buy it from someone else.

My point is, they are not copies. They are purchased from the US. They are purchased without avionics. You can even look online to find serial or BUNO numbers of every aircraft that have left Mc'Ds, GD, Lockmart or Boeing. Build sheets, delivery dates, where they went etc. The US does not share avionics technology (after a certain point) or the weapons on the ground that go along with the aircraft in the sky. Japan is no exception, but the US also limits Japan to what they are capable of doing. 7th best in the world................. no. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

When India bought Super Hornets a few years ago, they were stuck without avionics. That made their pretty new airplanes completely useless unless they wanted to just do some pretty airshows.

Also, all parts for the Eagles and Vipers in Japan come directly from Mc'Ds and GDs.

Your second paragraph, you're right. Absolutely. But, that's ignoring what I'm trying to tell you. The US still has Japan (and quite a bit of SE Asia) by the balls with the fact that we ARE their military. That is a very powerful thing (be it right, wrong or indifferent). That's the way it is. If the NORKS were to start launching missiles into Japan, who would respond? Not Japan, the US would. Been there, done that.

[USMARINE1108]

And to lighten the mood a little bit, here is some "hornet porn" from the last flying squadron I was with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQOXlTuGLNg

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