GT500 Thread! First test!!!!!

[Prince Valiant]

From Insideline:

http://www.insideline.com/ford/shelby-gt500/2013/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-full-test.html

By Mike Monticello, Road Test Editor
It is, let's be honest, absolutely insane that Ford is setting this car loose on the American public. The 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is a tire-pulverizing, tail-spinning menace to society, and the Prius nerds already hate it.

You gotta love it, but the truth is, even we had reservations about the sanity of a 662-horsepower production Mustang, a Mustang powered by the most powerful production V8 in the world. What if it's too dangerous to drive on public roads? What if it only belongs on the track, and even then it scares the bejeezus out of all but the most gifted drivers? After yoga class and a mani/pedi we found ourselves wondering, "Should Ford really build such a beast?"

Well, it turns out our worries were unfounded because the 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is completely drivable. Pussycat? Not exactly. After all, it'll lay down two black stripes from here to the county line, and won't even break a sweat doing it. But it is far from the utterly unruly beast we expected.

Let's call it a refined beast. Albeit one that can top 202 mph.

Wound up by the Numbers
We try not to get too hung up on numbers, but we're talking 662 hp at 6,500 rpm (on 93 octane fuel) and 631 pound-feet of torque at 4,200 rpm. Those are monster numbers that can't be ignored.

And Ford's Special Vehicle Team (SVT).....(more at link above)

Price: $54,995

HP: 662
Torque: 631 ft-lbs

curb weight: 3852 lbs

0-60: 4.1 sec

1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 121.1 mph




there...a GT500 thread NOT started by Bosslx.

[Prince Valiant]

MT:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1205_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_first_test/road_test_data_and_specs.html

0-60: 3.6
1/4: 11.6 @ 125

[UnderPSI]

My Cadillac Family Sedan should run that fast.

[Ricky Bobby]

Im good with my junk thanx for posting though

[nismodave]

I was not aware that Ford was making the GT500 anymore......Cool.

[CATNHAT]

Guesses on dealer addendums? I say $15k. Maybe more.

[animal]

Guesses on dealer addendums? I say $15k. Maybe more.

Depends who you are and where you buy, a friend of mine has his coming at a few hundy over invoice :)

[BOSS LX]

They can be had for msrp pretty easily.

[CATNHAT]

I saw one on ebay this morning with 13000 addendum. asking 79900 and sticker was 67000

This is the early 70s all over again.

[WhatsADSM]

It's the new hot thing. People will pay over msrp for a little bit, but eventually they will be had for at or below msrp.

[jamestown478]

meh kinda sad when the gt500 was out in the early 2000's that even with a blower a na z06 was still showing ford what was up.

[spooln30]

^??????What, early 2000's GT500. LOL.

[jamestown478]

ok mid lol. Like 2007's

[VroomPshhTsi]

Quite a difference between the Inside Line test numbers and Motor Trend's.

IL
0-60: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 121.1 mph

MT
0-60: 3.6 sec
1/4: 11.6 @ 125 mph


Also, anyone notice the decent gas mileage? 24 mpg hwy compared to the ZR1 21 mpg hwy, even though the Mustang weighs 500 pounds more and has 24 more hp. Not really important but still interesting.

It also comes in at half the price of a ZR1 which is impressive seeing that the ZR1 was suppose to be the affordable super car.

[Waver]

meh kinda sad when the gt500 was out in the early 2000's that even with a blower a na z06 was still showing ford what was up.


ok mid lol. Like 2007's

It has been said many times that you cant compair a Corvette to a Mustang, no matter what trim it is. Two very different cars. This is more in response to the ZL1 Camaro.

[WhatsADSM]

^^ Agreed with the above...

This is the first one that can actually (maybe) beat an NA Z06 in a straight line. The Z06 is still a better car for turning though, but as Nick said it is a different car. Mustang is a pure bred "muscle car" whereas the Vette is more of a "sports car". If I were building a car for GLD it would be different than the car I build for Road America.

I'm not even a huge Ford fan but it sure seems Ford has pretty much nailed it with the GT500. They are king of the Muscle car with this bad boy. Also very impressed at the fuel economy and price point!

[Prince Valiant]

It has been said many times that you cant compair a Corvette to a Mustang, no matter what trim it is. Two very different cars. This is more in response to the ZL1 Camaro.
of course they can be compared...it's silly to think they can't. Hell, you can even compare the empire state building to a gnat, so why couldn't one compare the vette to a mustang?

People get it right when they say "it's like comparing an apple to an orange" but get it wrong when you say "You can't compare an apple to an orange". You can of course (one's red, the other is orange; one has a thick skin, the other thin, one has an difficult to eat core, the other the fruit is mostly edible, so on and so forth)...how useful the information one gets from the comparison may or may not be relevant.

But of course, these cars are expected to perform many similar functions...how much grip does each generate? How fast can they go around a road course, what will their 1/4 mile times yield, as well, the perform roughly similar functions as cars themselves...these are all comparable points, and but of few of the things up for comparisons.

Now, whether they compete for the same buyer or not, is debatable...but even then, while one car might only appeal only to one type of guy just as the other does, there is certainly many people who both cars appeal to, but only have the resources to buy one or the other...and thus it does compete...along with the z06 mixed in there, the ZL-1, the viper, the challenger SRT8...even if they don't compete directly, there is competition for those dollars, and there is cross shopping.

[BAD LS1]

Did they beat the gas guzzler tax with the 24mpg? All while it may out gun a new ZL1 (shot wad too early IMHO) not so sure the GT500 will be able to be as well rounded as the ZL1 at doing everything.... time will tell.

[BoosTT]

Damn that is a lot of HP stock! And you think who ever buys one is going to leave it stock? I bet you'll see 750 HP versions out on the street!!!

[Nickerz]

I watched a couple of the vids and it looked pretty slow for 650hp, things must be super pigs. ZL1 also handed it its ass in handling. Cool car, but not a complete contender to the ZL1 considering there is probably more room for bolt on power in the ZL1 with more displacement and a much larger aftermarket.

[BigSnailBuick]

I watched a couple of the vids and it looked pretty slow for 650hp, things must be super pigs. ZL1 also handed it its ass in handling. Cool car, but not a complete contender to the ZL1 considering there is probably more room for bolt on power in the ZL1 with more displacement and a much larger aftermarket.

RIGHT!!! Sweet #s for a steal of a price but lets be real here...almost 700hp running 12's..even 11s in motor trend...what is this car on? 225 Fuzion Zri's?

[BOSS LX]

LOL!

Look at trap speed guys! 127 so far in the FIRST test out there! What does that tell you? And this car HAS NOT BEEN TESTED against the zl1 on any road course yet. The first GT 500's were delivered early last week.

And zl1 has a larger aftermarket? Um noo!

[Waver]

RIGHT!!! Sweet #s for a steal of a price but lets be real here...almost 700hp running 12's..even 11s in motor trend...what is this car on? 225 Fuzion Zri's?

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a decent launch with the s197 chassis? Wait till a ford magazine tests it, or for that matter a magazine with real drivers like Road and Track or Car and Driver.

[WhatsADSM]

Yea the trap speed and power are there for some pretty impressive 1/4 mile numbers. 11s will be had stock with no issue what-so-ever. As mentioned before good air, good driver, and sticky tires I wouldn't be surprised to see some dip into the 10s. IIRC even stock C6 Z06 vettes have seen 10s when all the stars align.

FWIW, in terms of the GT500 vs. ZL-1, my gut tells me the GT500 has it outgunned in straight line performance. But as mentioned before I think the rest of the package may be a little more refined in the ZL-1 suggesting the Camaro *may* have an edge on a road course. We will just have to wait for the comparisons.

As for the aftermarket. I dunno about one really having a distinct advantage over the other... there is an aftermarket for all of the pony cars these days. As an aside both manufacturers use the new TVS blowers from Eaton however the GT500 has the R2300 blower while the ZL-1 has the R1900. Having a big blower out of the box certainly will have its advantages when modifying for more power.

[Prince Valiant]

Look at trap speed guys! 127 so far in the FIRST test out there!!

:confused:confused:confused:confused:confused


1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 121.1 mph


Rounding error perhaps? :durr

[BOSS LX]

:confused:confused:confused:confused:confused




Rounding error perhaps? :durrI don't listen to car mags meant for the novice "car guy"!

From a SVT engineer! "I agree and have permission to blab.

11.52@127

Powershifted in cool weather: 11.71@129

The car will run 11.80s all day using the launch control. It is possible to run an 11.5 in the car on stock tires if you are a good driver (and I'm not talking out of 1000 hero runs in -2000 ft DA with the track ripping your shoes off). It's also possible to get very high mph in good weather while powershifting."

[Prince Valiant]

I don't listen to car mags meant for the novice "car guy"!
Good, because they don't talk.

But, for the purposes of consistency, it's probably best to stick to mags meant for the novice "car guy"(!) rather than some SVT engineer blabbing for the experienced "car guy" (!)

Why? Since if we are wondering how this stacks up, it's probably best left to the same drivers, using the same tracks, techniques, etc.

That said, the engineer ended up being wrong...stated it'll run 11.80's all day, and well...insideline showed otherwise.

[BOSS LX]

Cool!

I will stay quiet until these cars are out in the public for at least a few weeks, and then we will have some real world numbers. I gotta go and read motor trend to see how to make a out dated mustang fast!

[Prince Valiant]

Cool!

I will stay quit until these cars are out in the public for at least a few weeks, and then we will have some real world numbers. I gotta go and read motor trend to see how to make a out dated mustang fast!Time might be better spent reading this:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWtWpfN1SqQl0Ca3NCNd_n0U2RN26n5 nMCK2NUL4EVB8KriXvK2CrXi-x7

[BOSS LX]

No come back, just want to see what you will say when one goes 10's with wheels and tires! FYI, 10's are pretty fast!

[Prince Valiant]

No come back, just want to see what you will say when one goes 10's with wheels and tires! FYI, 10's are pretty fast!I'll say "That's purty fast!"

And be utterly utterly unsurprised.

[BOSS LX]

Unsurprised or unimpressed? Or both?

[Prince Valiant]

Unsurprised or unimpressed? Or both?Unsurprised =/= unimpressed. Of course it's impressive. It's impressive that run of the mill family sedans are running low 14's these days; that run of the mill hot cars are running 1/4 mile times that full out exotics couldn't even touch 20 years ago. Why would you think I wouldn't be impressed by a minimally modded factory car hitting 10's?

Not that it hasn't been done before.

[BOSS LX]

It has been done? A 4 seat car running tens with just tires for under 55k? What car is that?

[Dr.Buick]

Here go spend 55k and than buy tires go tens thats great!!!! and take the 15-20% off the second you drive off the lot! who cares what car is faster. get over it ford dodge and chevy all make good cars

[Russ Jerome]

The trap speed vs stated HP are off
http://vexer.com/automotive-tools/1-4-mile-ET-HP-MPH-calculator

Im getting too old, Im starting to like Mustangs, this one looks great but I dont think a real dyno less parasitic loss will net the stated HP numbers. As mentioned earlier the 1/4 numbers dont look like a 600+ hp car, Ive had faster FWD Omni's on street tires turning flat 12's and not much over 300hp. Great car but unlike 1970 Im guessing they are helping the rated HP numbers for sales.

[JC70SS]

http://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1549034-2013-gt500-609-rwhp-stock-2.html#post16349245

[WhatsADSM]

The trap speed vs stated HP are off
http://vexer.com/automotive-tools/1-4-mile-ET-HP-MPH-calculator

Im getting too old, Im starting to like Mustangs, this one looks great but I dont think a real dyno less parasitic loss will net the stated HP numbers. As mentioned earlier the 1/4 numbers dont look like a 600+ hp car, Ive had faster FWD Omni's on street tires turning flat 12's and not much over 300hp. Great car but unlike 1970 Im guessing they are helping the rated HP numbers for sales.

apparently people have put down over 600 to the wheels on them... So I certainly don't think its overrated.

As for the times... Russ you know better. First off a omni weighs a little over half what the GT500 likely does, so of course it runs somewhat close times with around half the horsepower. Also ill bet your omni wasn't trapping in the mid 120s either.

[Irish]

Wouldn't a better comparison be a ZL1 Camaro vs. the GT500?

[Prince Valiant]

It has been done? A 4 seat car running tens with just tires for under 55k? What car is that?ah yes...

...this kind of reminds me of a few years back...people want to have a "king of the highway", but then wish to put so many stipulations on it so that essentially only their car could compete :rolleyes:

Okay, Boss...

IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE!!! WOW! A FOUR SEAT CAR UNDER 55G THAT HASN'T YET (BUT WE KNOW IT WILL!!!) GOES 10'S WITH JUST TIRES!!!! ZOMG THAT'S AMAMZING!!! I NEVER EVER THOUGHT IT COULD BE DONE!!! FORD PROVED ME WRONG!!! ALL FORDS FANS ARE GETTIN' LAID TONIGHT!!! UNLUCKY ME!



you're constant trolling for praise for a car is getting lame. Desperation is a stinky cologne. If you still NEED me to say something to reassure you, you'll have to explicitly state what I need to say...I can't keep playing this guessing game....

[Irish]

Wouldn't a better comparison be a ZL1 Camaro vs. the GT500?

Guess not.

Something tells me this thread does not really pertain to cars per-say...

[Prince Valiant]

Something tells me this thread does not really pertain to cars per-say...No, it's about the greatest car of all time, the Shelby GT500

Just some facts...

- 11.52@127 Powershifted in cool weather: 11.71@129
- a stock car put down 617 hp to the tire on a dyno jet
- certified top speed of 202mph
- $54,200 starting msrp

It's the only 4 seat car under 55G that can go 10's with tires.

what else would we talk about?

[BOSS LX]

What about the king of the hwy stuff? You discrediting the most powerful pony car ever is just as stinky prince.

[Prince Valiant]

What about the king of the hwy stuff?Back when mark would come on to promote some king of the hwy idea, then propose rules that would have eliminated threats to his winning. Your looking for tedious praise (4 seat? under an arbitrary price point?) to qualify as some obscure "first"? Not that I'm terribly sure it's the first on those given points....but then I'm sure you'd come back with even more qualifiers so it's could still be some kind of first in your mind.


You discrediting the most powerful pony car ever is just as stinky prince.Make the case that I've said anything that would "discredit" this car.

[wheelsofsteel]

I am reading this right that someone is still clinching on to some "wrong doings" from a King of the Highway race of 8 years ago?!?!?!?!
Now I'm even curious on what rule(s) were purposed that did allow you to enter and run table for the crown??

[Prince Valiant]

I am reading this right that someone is still clinching on to some "wrong doings" from a King of the Highway race of 8 years ago?!?!?!?!
No, you are NOT reading it right. I'm making a comparison to how Andy's nitpicking to get a "first" evokes memories of the similarly lame KOTH "rules" proposed so a certain someone could ensure a title.

[WickedSix]

Kinda suprised it hasn't degraded into manufacturer acronyms yet :rolf

[BOSS LX]

lol!!!!!!!!

Yeah KOTH rules were unfair! Not back halfed, and seen on hwy! Crazy rules! Anyone from back then that was pissed about the rules, I will do Mark a solid and offer up my pos for a match race!

4 seater under 100k, and trap 127 mph stock? (IT HAS BEEN DONE REGARDLESS WHAT THE DORKY ASS CAR MAG SAID)

And what up Brad!?

[Prince Valiant]

What the final rules were, and what was being proposed are two different things.

4 seater under 100k, and trap 127 mph stock? (IT HAS BEEN DON REGARDLESS WHAT THE DORKY ASS CAR MAG SAID) well, no...that's not what was said before. Your words:


It has been done? A 4 seat car running tens with just tires for under 55k? What car is that?
And as I stated, I'm not sure that there isn't a car or two (or three!) that fit don't fit that criteria.

[BOSS LX]

What the final rules were, and what was being proposed are two different things.
well, no...that's not what was said before. Your words:


And as I stated, I'm not sure that there isn't a car or two (or three!) that fit don't fit that criteria.

I will change it to 100k to make YOU happy! Name the cars!

[Prince Valiant]

I will change it to 100k to make YOU happy! Name the cars!
well, two that come immediately to mind would be the ford fairlane thunderbolt and Hurst Hemi Dart. Not sure I couldn't come up with a third...but one doesn't jump out quite yet.

Edit: BTW, still waiting for you to show me where I discredit the car :/

[BOSS LX]

well, two that come immediately to mind would be the ford fairlane thunderbolt and Hurst Hemi Dart. Not sure I couldn't come up with a third...but one doesn't jump out quite yet.

Edit: BTW, still waiting for you to show me where I discredit the car :/

Not gonna take the time to go back and look for quotas, just for to to deny due to wording. It doesn't really matter to me. I know what my 600 rwhp car was like way back then, and to have a warranty and be able to drive around the world is nothing short of amazing for the price.

If those two cars count, I will raise you a new Cobra Jet. See Ford wins again! lol

[JC70SS]

time to dump the saleen and get a '13!

[DRK]

The '13 500 is a bad MFR but we all know its no new dart or caliber

[Prince Valiant]

Not gonna take the time to go back and look for quotas, just for to to deny due to wording. Ah, but that just brings up the point that it's silly to put tedious stipulations to it so it could be some mythical "first".

Even if it's not the first, it's still impressive in it's own right. What's wrong with that?


BUT, since you said it...STILL waiting to see where I "discredit" the car? If YOU are going to accuse, then YOU need to back it up or offer a mea culpa.

[BOSS LX]

Already gone Joe. I wanted another lightning, and was going to build a 03 cobra powered fox to get back into a fun pure street car. The 500 has me thinking though. Just scary to buy a car like that from Ford lately, because they seem to keep making them better.

[Dr.Buick]

I like the car but I will keep my 55 grand in apple stocks and keep the junk I have.

[Irish]

I like the car but I will keep my 55 grand in apple stocks and keep the junk I have.

Ugh...

[PureSound15]

Ugh...

Lol

[nismodave]

Ugh...

Lol x2

[nismodave]

4 seats.....Just sayin....

hpunSGuHK7M

[WhatsADSM]

Yea I was thinking the same thing. The new GTR is under 100k and will go tens when the stars align. Not saying I would consider it a 10 second car, but it will do it.

4 seats, under 100k, not to mention it will do it on regular old street tires, and would stomp the dog shit out of the GT500 when the road gets twisty.

Of course the GTR is more expensive, and probably not as rewarding to drive fast. I'm not sure how anyone could really knock the new GT500, I'm not even a Ford fan but its a helluva pony car.


P.S. I challenge anyone to a KOTH. You just have to have a mid-engine, 2 door, yellow, 4-cylinder, with a roots blower and 17" rims in the back. That's right none of you bitches can touch me!

[HITMAN]

4 seats.....Just sayin....

hpunSGuHK7M

LOL. I was waiting for this. :thumbsup I've been in Jack T's GTR a few times and what that car is capable of is fucking sick. It's faster from a roll than my Whippled Cobra was and in stopping power, I've NEVER experienced anything even close. The feeling of your face trying to find it's way into the windshield is new to me. YOU WILL WEAR YOUR SEATBELT OR YOU WILL BE STRUGGLING TO KEEP YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF THE FOOTWELL.

Not taking anything away from the '13 GT500 either, as I personally know someone that has an Deep Impact Blue, Stripe Delete, Recaro car on order and I can't wait to get a ride in it. :shades

[Prince Valiant]

I'm not sure how anyone could really knock the new GT500, I'm not even a Ford fan but its a helluva pony car.
Not enough exclamations...why are you discrediting the car?

[GTSLOW]

Quite a difference between the Inside Line test numbers and Motor Trend's.

IL
0-60: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 121.1 mph

MT
0-60: 3.6 sec
1/4: 11.6 @ 125 mph


Also, anyone notice the decent gas mileage? 24 mpg hwy compared to the ZR1 21 mpg hwy, even though the Mustang weighs 500 pounds more and has 24 more hp. Not really important but still interesting.

It also comes in at half the price of a ZR1 which is impressive seeing that the ZR1 was suppose to be the affordable super car.

A ZR1 would shit all over that GT500's Wheaties TWICE on a Road Course.

[HITMAN]

A ZR1 would shit all over that GT500's Wheaties TWICE on a Road Course.

So what? It better. It's damned near as powerful, it's a bunch lighter, it's designed from the outset to be a corner-carver and it's over twice as much money. Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I've never personally road raced on the street, but I have been known to engage in a few impromptu acceleration contests, from time to time... ;)

[BOSS LX]

Just drag radials on stock 2008 wheels, driven by the cars owner. Only 3 passes with the dr's.


1.7982 60
4.8949 330
7.3620 1/8
98.90 1/8
9.4798 1000
115.44 1000
11.2549 1/4
128.63 1/4

[Dr.Buick]

Just drag radials on stock 2008 wheels, driven by the cars owner. Only 3 passes with the dr's.


1.7982 60
4.8949 330
7.3620 1/8
98.90 1/8
9.4798 1000
115.44 1000
11.2549 1/4 = NEEDS CAGE LOL factory car should be a code n76
128.63 1/4

[SMOKDU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NRuE38Bl5Mo

Almost 200 MPH stock. not bad for a square car.

[BOSS LX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NRuE38Bl5Mo

Almost 200 MPH stock. not bad for a square car.

Mark, it will go 200 in better conditions! It was hot as hell and the DA was terrible!

BTW One with UNKNOWN bolt-ons just went 10.0 at 142mph on it;s second pass! From what I hear not much more then wheels/tires, tune, and pulley. This is just the beginning!

[Prince Valiant]

Mark, it will go 200 in better conditions! It was hot as hell and the DA was terrible!In all fairness, while the DA affects a car's ability to produce power, it also changes the resistance to air...IE, drag, the chief thing responsible for limiting a vehicles top speed.

In airplanes, even though the engines ability to provide thrust diminishes, our ability to fly faster increases...ground speed increases though the indicated air-speed remains more or less the same (since it measures speed via wind resistance, which again, diminishes at altitude). It affects planes differently of course...but like planes, DA affects things like acceleration more so than speed.

I'm sure it's a 200 mph car too...but it was probably limited more by a track that was too small (even though it was 5 mi long) rather than the DA, which when they hit 196mph was markedly better than the day before when they hit 194.

[DynoTom]

Mark, it will go 200 in better conditions! It was hot as hell and the DA was terrible!

BTW One with UNKNOWN bolt-ons just went 10.0 at 142mph on it;s second pass! From what I hear not much more then wheels/tires, tune, and pulley. This is just the beginning!


Yep, Evolution has a couple new Shelbys that they are installing go fast parts on as quick as they can to test them out.

[kirks5oh]

guys,

i'm a bit north of milwaukee, and not familiar with the ford dealerships in brewtown. i'm not having tons of luck getting one of these beasts at my two stealerships near me. anyone have any connections or know any ford salesmen in milwaukee to help me out??

thanks

kirk

[BAD LS1]

4 seats... 4 doors... Under 100K

Yes its modded, but that actually sounds like a STOCK cam with some ungodly loud exhaust. These cars usually runs in the 11's stock too, but not trap 127mph either but i still think is a worthy street opponent.

PT0qe6IvCQQ

[Wagonbacker9]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think that was cammed, just well tuned and not on a tight LSA.

[BOSS LX]

guys,

i'm a bit north of milwaukee, and not familiar with the ford dealerships in brewtown. i'm not having tons of luck getting one of these beasts at my two stealerships near me. anyone have any connections or know any ford salesmen in milwaukee to help me out??

thanks

kirk
pm me

[BAD LS1]

Its a good chance, yep. but man that sounds just like a bolt on LS3 vette with a Corsa catback with long tubes and no cats.

[BOSS LX]

The new cts-v's and z06 are two of my favorite GM cars ever. That cts'v and shelby both have the 2.3 tvs, right?

[BAD LS1]

The new cts-v's and z06 are two of my favorite GM cars ever. That cts'v and shelby both have the 2.3 tvs, right?

Its the same 1.9L TVS as the ZL1, same engine essentially. But for Marginally more than the ZL1 you can have a classy street car that has the same technology and is roughly the same performance wise too.

[WhatsADSM]

It's never fair to compare modded to unmodded though. If we throw mods into the equation lots of 4-door cars can easily run 10s for under 100k. Apples to oranges.

Not to say i wouldn't rock the shit out of a cts-v over a gt500.

[Wagonbacker9]

Ever since seeing my buddy's Stroker Twin Turbo G8 GT I've been craving a bad ass sedan...

[kirks5oh]

It's never fair to compare modded to unmodded though. If we throw mods into the equation lots of 4-door cars can easily run 10s for under 100k. Apples to oranges.

Not to say i wouldn't rock the shit out of a cts-v over a gt500.

ctsv-s don't run 11's bone stock---just doesn't happen. but they are awesome cars---i need to update my sig--i traded my '05gto for a '10 4 door cts-v. it is an awesome car once you get used to the abysmal gas mileage. i love the auto too. with good tires, its so easy to launch the car hard and leave just about anything standing still at a stoplight.

[WhatsADSM]

ctsv-s don't run 11's bone stock---just doesn't happen. but they are awesome cars---i need to update my sig--i traded my '05gto for a '10 4 door cts-v. it is an awesome car once you get used to the abysmal gas mileage. i love the auto too. with good tires, its so easy to launch the car hard and leave just about anything standing still at a stoplight.

There is more to a car than what it runs at the drag strip stock.

[kirks5oh]

There is more to a car than what it runs at the drag strip stock.

You don't say? What are the chances of me taking my ctsv to the strip? Zero

What are the chances of me breaking my foot off in a vette's ass from a stoplight? Quite strong

Out of all the cars I've owned, the v has been the best driver.

[Irish]

You don't say? What are the chances of me taking my ctsv to the strip? Zero

What are the chances of me breaking my foot off in a vette's ass from a stoplight? Quite strong

Out of all the cars I've owned, the v has been the best driver.

CTS V's are cool shit! Given the choice though, I'd take a brand new GT500.

Now if you had that on your successful kill list, I'd be impressed.