Phase 2 of dyno queen....

[Crawlin]

We'll call it that because of it still not having a real rear end in it to take it to the strip. But I just might anyways :)

Went down to Speed Inc. for my dyno tune yesterday. Differences from the last time are:

Fast LSX 78mm Intake
Tune
Big 28" tires/rims instead of stock stuff.

That's it. Still got the A/C belt on. Still got the PS hooked up so no shortbelt mod for a dyno trick. No ported TB. Although I did talk to Tom over at OTE Design & Fabrication and he has a direct port kit for me since the intake was drilled and tapped for it.

So the update:

another 30hp and another 25 ft-lbs of torque over what it was making before. I'll probably end up selling the intake so I can get a 90mm LSX and matching TB and that should help out a bit. And you guys knowing me, I'm gonna strip the car down, so the shortbelt mod should net me 1-2 more hp as well. Only sucky thing is that I need a Katech Tensioner since the stock one DOES NOT like the high rpm's. Throws belts on a daily basis, haha. We'll see what phase 3 brings when the money rolls in for it, haha.

Chris

[Prince Valiant]

nice :shades

[Yooformula]

Congrats!!So whats the total hp# so far? How much would you looking to get for that intake?

[BAD LS1]

hahahahah thats awesome Chris

Just got back from borchardts with mine.

Pretty weak, but what i was expecting...

390 hp 375 tq, its got over 350 tq from 3 k - 5k and keeps pulling all the way up to 7k peaked at about 6200.

It was running VERY lean under the curve and finally got to a 12.8- 13.0 afr at 6k plus. So that that might bump me another 5 or less once corrected.

got out dynoned by two bolt on 03' Cobra's.

pretty crumby #s for a heads and cam car though, but thats through a 12 bolt,4.30 gears and 50 lb wheels :wtf :yawn:

[Yooformula]

Thats still roughly 458 flywheel hp so thats not too bad Tom. Anybody else from here go? I ran out of money quick with the new truck otherwise I would have gone. I am silently hoping for 375-380rwhp, just gotta wait and see.

[BAD LS1]

Heres the chart:

regardless, 40 off from where it should be, people on ls1tech are stunned...
Somethings wrong!

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?image=member_img_a/427983_22_full.jpg

[JC70SS]

Tom my SS dynoed 425 on the speed inc dyno. Obviously i has a stock 10 bolt with stock gearing. Is theirs a mustang dyno. By the way on HP TV today an 03 with hypetech, 2.8" pulley and some other bolt-on dynoed 430rwhp! I think I need an 04 mystichrome snake.

[Yooformula]

I was gonna say, arent guys with that cam alone putting down 400rwhp+? I think its cause your car is too damm clean!!

Joe, I'm going to have to agree with ya there, and while you are at it....can you pick me up a Cobra too? :goof


Heres the chart:

regardless, 40 off from where it should be, people on ls1tech are stunned...
Somethings wrong!

http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?image=member_img_a/427983_22_full.jpg

[BAD LS1]

So yes back to near stock its going...

So yoosef when you get some cash i got some parts im gonna be willing to unload, like new slicks and skinnies :shades

[Prince Valiant]

So yes back to near stock its going...What's going to constitute "near stock"? going back to a 10 bolt, etc?

[BAD LS1]

yup the 10 bolt, heads, cam, headers, suspension. Lets just say this was the last nail in the coufin.

It makes a better show car than a race car anyway right?

[Teufelhunden]

Noooooooooo :wooo

[BAD LS1]

I prolly wont sell it, its paid off, but im for sure gonna strip it of all aftermarket parts and sell the stuff to recoop from it.

[Teufelhunden]

and then what?

[GTSLOW]

I prolly wont sell it, its paid off, but im for sure gonna strip it of all aftermarket parts and sell the stuff to recoop from it.

Wow I never thought I'd see this happen! :wtf

What was your best 1/4 time with the car????

[SSmike1]

Hey Tom,
I still want that Y pipe,

But if your selling the 12 bolt,
what r u asking for it?

super bike mike

:)

I prolly wont sell it, its paid off, but im for sure gonna strip it of all aftermarket parts and sell the stuff to recoop from it.

[Yooformula]

OR, you can just go BIGGER :3gears:

[SMS 1]

What is this, Bizzaro BCM? Everything is backwards here and nothing makes any sense! Someone go fire up the Mr.Fusion we need to go back and fix this :goof

[BAD LS1]

It will be just a every once and a while driver/garage space taker.

Well id be looking to sell the 12 bolt ,and carbon fiber DS as a package i would need the buyers stock DS though... The rear end is 2300 new, the DS is 600, theres about 6K on the rear end and 4K on the DS.

Best perf #s out of it were 11.622@119.56 w/ 1.7 60'

I will be selling the heads and cam too.

As you can see by my eg compartment... its a show car LOL

http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/photopost/data/513/1DSC05281-med.JPG

http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/photopost/data/513/1DSC05278-med.JPG

http://www.midwestmustangassociation.com/vb3/photopost/data/513/1DSC05297-med.JPG

[BAD LS1]

Sorry Chris, i didnt mean to hi-jack your thread this bad :goof

[Syclone0044]

Look Tom, I've been holding my tongue on saying this for a long time. Your car was fast when it was cam only. Then you put on the heads and G5X2 cam and gutted the car at the same time, went to the track and it was effectively NO FASTER, yes it went 1 or 2 tenths but the gutting alone could have been responsible.

My point is, clearly the heads and cam are not doing anything besides raising the powerband right now. So something must be off. Heads and cam is probably the best thing you can do on an N/A motor (not that I'm any type of N/A whiz though.) Instead of quitting and losing your ass, why don't you just find what the problem is and fix it so the car runs like it should? The LS1Tech guys obviously see something off so I'd listen to their recommendations. Maybe the cam is advanced/retarded or you got some other problem. Why is the HP peaking so low for a cam that is much more agressive than your old one? If you still had your old parts you could switch those back to find the culprit. I personally would have liked to see you run the .581 224/224 cam with the heads.

Compared to that other LS1Tech guys dyno chart yours is also quite lean.

[JC70SS]

Tom,
Richen it up down low a little bit and try a different dyno. Take the trip to speed inc. Don't give up on this car yet.

QUITERS NEVER WIN!

[BAD LS1]

Joe, that what i did this morning, seems like it may have broadend the tq curve a hair, but im 40 ponys in the hole, where did they go?

Im dont wanna spend anymore money on it... it might not be till next year before im willing to dig into this problem whole heartedly, i tried today aft 5 min i lost all ambition

[BAD LS1]

My rant WILL end here!

Thank you.

[jbiscuit]

I also agree with everyone on here Tom....don't give up on it. You have the loot in it and you know you like driving the car. So don't go back to stock. Ask Old Jigga John how fun that is...he can barely hang with a stock-turbo WRX wagon!

Just spend some time on the tune like Joe said and go to Speed Inc. and use their dyno. Try that. You have all the parts in it, maybe you just need to tune it differently. It has to be in ignition timing that you are losing the HPs.

[BAD LS1]

Actually i found some intresting news about my camshaft currently in there which would explain ALOT, i want to get it confirmed before i go into details :rolf

[SSmike1]

Nice Pics Tom,
that car always Looks GOOD! :thumbsup

as good as she goes too!
:3gears:

[Greg@GLD]

Tom,
Richen it up down low a little bit and try a different dyno. Take the trip to speed inc. Don't give up on this car yet.

QUITERS NEVER WIN!


I think Tom's being WAY too hard on himself to be honest. Step back from this for awhile Tom, don't be "reactionary".
As for the dyno- The numbers should be pretty accurate. I dynoed my Cobra at Aloha Automotive last year and the numbers I posted at Borchardt's on Saturday were pretty damn close to what Aloha's dyno said.
Usually leaner combos make more power then rich ones. Adding fuel might help, then again it might not. I have an EFI extender on my car, I was playing with the settings and when I went slightly richer (across the entire RPM range) it lost about 3 HP. Set it back to the leaner setting and the HP came right back.

It is kinda weird that I was nearly 100 horses behind Tom's results, but my torque rating (on motor only) was 362.5- not that far behind Tom. I think that has to do with the stroker combo I run.

You shoulda came racing with us Tom! We had fun until all the Fast And furious wannabees arrived for Import Wars...

[JC70SS]

Throw the TR224 back in her and call it a summer.

[Crawlin]

no prob on the hijack. finally able to get back on the computer. anyways, Tom shouldn't give up. I said put the stock heads back on and redyno and find out what's going on. But if you have some information about that cam, you gotta let me know!!! I wanna know what's up. It'd be interesting if you tossed a different cam in their just to see what she'd do.

Chris

[Crawlin]

PS- Yoosof, I'd sell the intake and the direct port together so you probably wouldn't want it.

Intake, stock TB, direct port KIT - $1200

[BAD LS1]

Its not the right cam... Plus come to find out this cam exactly making what it should on stock heads, its a little dicker... Actually smaller than my 224 cam...

LG says the patriot heads are really a crap shoot as to if they work or not and with stock displacment they equal 10.3.1 not 10.8.

So lesson learned, you get what you pay for and always call the company when ordering cams... because the cam i thought i was getting had to be special ordered a year ago... :rolf

[GRNDNL]

Hey Tom,

I know a old Buick guy in Chicago thats been porting LS1 heads for a few years now, I'm sure if you pulled them he could flow them and let you know what he thinks of them.

I'd run it at the track with good tires then swap cams and try it again before you start taking it apart.....I still think theres more ET in it.....

[jbiscuit]

I would agree with Keith on this one. Wrong cam = wrong ET. Get the right cam and through that puppy in there. Get your tune right with it and then head on down to GLD for some passes. You might be quite pleased with the results of that!!! :3gears: :burnout

[Teufelhunden]

Don't give up on her Tom! :rockwoot:

[BAD LS1]

Well the heads aint doing Shiat captain!! :rolf

LG was impressed i made those #s with that cam, then i said well its got heads too, then they are like what kind?? and i told them, and they are like NOOOO say it aint so!!!

Then they went on to explain why they dont work half the time etc...

[BAD LS1]

Here's the current cam specs

LGMotorSports G5 cam 224/230 581/570 112 lsa.

What i thought i had was .595/.609 238/242 112 lsa

[JC70SS]

Tom, IMO I would put the stockers on and try to sell those and get the GTP or MTI heads only! You know what my car dynoed with a hell of a rich tune. And that was only a 224/228 cam. LS1TECH classifieds!


-Joe

[Crazy Z28]

Tom i still have your cam in my garage. You have PM :3gears:

[Crawlin]

Don't forget some TEA heads. If you want a good deal, i know the RGR heads through speed inc. have put out some nice numbers, but they are another small company. MTI stage 2e heads at about $1800 are a very good bet. Just look what Colonel ran with them in his daily driver car.

Chris