whats a good 60' for a fwd?

[Turbo-Triumph]

so i was talking to someone yesterday and we were debating on what is a feasable 60' for a street/strip fwd car with slicks. i said 1.7-1.8 is do-able, he says "no way, awd cars have problems hitting that"

and keep in mind, were talking about 12 to 13 second fwd cars.

how this got brought up, is on a different forum, ive seen scanned timeslips of people hitting those 60' times, but he didnt believe me. (photoshop maybe? i dont know why someone would do that..)

now i realize a 1.7 60' would have to be THEE most perfect launch ever, but i think a 1.8 would be fairly reasonable, no?

[TheRX7Project]

No. You were saying YOUR CAR. Murray's old DSM was pulling 1.8's on street tires IIRC. The SuperBee pulled 1.8's on slicks. There is no fucking way your CSRT is going to pull a 1.8 60'. 1.8 60's in a street FWD car are just not happening until I see otherwise.

[Moparjim]

Note he said WITH SLICKS.

With slicks and an LSD which the CSRT has, 1.8 is feasible.

[Turbo-Triumph]

No. You were saying YOUR CAR. Murray's old DSM was pulling 1.8's on street tires IIRC. The SuperBee pulled 1.8's on slicks. There is no fucking way your CSRT is going to pull a 1.8 60'. 1.8 60's in a street FWD car are just not happening until I see otherwise.

i specifically didnt mention your name so you wouldnt get in your chest about it

and please tell me the difference between a csrt, or any other fwd car of the same weight? they should all have *about* the same weight distribution. (granted, wheel lockup plays a part, but assuming your not only spinning 1 tire, which the csrt does not)

you seem to have this attitude about the csrt as it being a POS, when in actuality, it has one of the more quality drivetrains. if you think its ugly, fine, think its ugly. but dont slight its ability to perform decently because you dont think it looks "cool"

dads car did a 1.8 60' because he bogged slightly after he launched. he had TO MUCH grip for the power he had.

back on topic, ide like to hear from other people who HAVE higher powered fwd cars, that have "been there done that" if im wrong, im wrong, i really dont care either way, but i want to know the truth not just what you think.

and thank you mopar jim for your enlightening post, lol. :)

[TheRX7Project]

I don't think the CSRT is a POS. No, it's not my cup of tea looks wise, and I think you severely overestimate it's abilities and/or your ability to drive it.

[WhatsADSM]

It should be able to hit a 1.8 on slicks. My old DSM would cut a 1.8 short time on a ho hum launch. I want to say my best was a 1.6x something. All on street tires, but that's AWD for ya.

My best ever in my neon srt-4 was a 1.7 flat IIRC, maybe into the high 1.6s. Granted it had a better suspension, less weight, and more power compared to the CSRT-4 in question. But still I would expect somewhere in the 1.8x range is possible in a decently powered, slicked up CSRT-4.

[Turbo-Triumph]

I don't think the CSRT is a POS. No, it's not my cup of tea looks wise, and I think you severely overestimate it's abilities and/or your ability to drive it.

i never said i could drive it good, The only time i went to the track with the car i pulled .2 SLOWER than the manufactureres estimate, when theres people pulling .2 FASTER than the manufacturers estimate.. so why would i say i can drive it good? Am i BY FAR SUPERIOR of a driver now, then when i had the car for a month and hit the track? YES, i will make that claim.

Im not saying the csrt is gods gift, but wake up and smell the beans! all forged internals in combination with a turbo, variable valve timing, and a getreg 6spd is a combination for success.

is there better cars out there? obviously!



It should be able to hit a 1.8 on slicks.....
My best ever in my neon srt-4 was a 1.7 flat IIRC, maybe into the high 1.6s. ....... But still I would expect somewhere in the 1.8x range is possible in a decently powered, slicked up CSRT-4.


^^^ just admit your wrong about not being able to cut a 1.8 60' with a fwd car, and move on. if you dont like my car, im ok with it. Not alot of people do, lol, but you dont need to black ball it constantly.. for fucks sake PTP put over 500hp to the wheels on stock internals and it never blew up

[xxsn0blindxx]

Talk to Russ Jerome, I think he was doing 1.8 or 1.7 60 foots in his Omni with street tires. Now that was also a very light car, automatic and with the rear suspension jacked up via an air shock on the rear axle.

[deuceWI]

I drive a Mazdaspeed3 and keep an eye on those forums, and from what I've seen, stock cars on street tires crack off 2.4-2.5 on average, and some people with stiffer motor mounts and other mods to reduce wheelhop get down to about 2.2 on street tires. Toss on slicks and there are plenty of people doing 1.7-1.9 60' times. I'd assume most of those people also have upgraded mounts and possibly other suspension parts if they're getting serious at the strip.

[tommyt5078]

Go to the import area, right here on BCM (sport compact) and I see atleast two FWD cars doing better then 1.8's, one is doing a 1.6.



My 13.176 is from a stock AWD car and I had a 1.7???

[SSLEVO]

My best 60' in the evo was a 1.69 with 350 whp and a 6500 rpm clutch dump. Just because the car can hook doesn't mean it will automatically rip 1.6-1.7 60 foots. It takes some power to get it there. Realistically i see a 1.9-2.0 from a 300 whp fwd on slicks.

[TheRX7Project]

Dan I never said a 1.8 was impossible to do with a FWD car. I said that YOU will never cut a 1.8 with YOUR car, and that it's damn near impossible with street tires.

[Moparjim]

Do you have the stage 1 pcm? If not buy the realtune stage 1 killer pcm NOW do not wait another minute. With either pcm upgrade the CSRT4 is like a completely different car, its a bit more boost overall plus the big changes are to the drive by wire the car actually kicks in when you floor it immediately, and it is a bunch more boost in first and second.

[1siksrt]

I cut low 1.7's all day long on stock motor when i went 11.45, now still a very, very streetable setup i cut 1.59-1.65's pretty consistently... Car gets 25+mpg, starts instantly hot or cold, idles great at 900rpms and clutch is not very aggressive..all 60's were on 24.5x8.5x15's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmfAmytz2lU&feature=player_embedded

and to add to jim's post the ms1k or 2 which is coming out soon is a must have in a caliber!!! get the realtune small front brake kit and some 15" slicks on the caliber so you can actually hook up..

[Daytonapacecar959]

The best 60 ft. in my Grand Prix was 1.58 with MT ET drags,10.5 psi.Most of the time it's in the 1.6 range.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/pacecar959/scan0002-1.jpg?t=1305247572

[Turbo-Triumph]

Dan I never said a 1.8 was impossible to do with a FWD car. I said that YOU will never cut a 1.8 with YOUR car, and that it's damn near impossible with street tires.

the debate was clearly about fwd cars with slicks. best ive seen on street tires was a 2.0 (and yes, that was a csrt 60') so ide say your probobly correct about that. And why wont I ever cut a 1.8 in MY car? is my car defective? am i defective? i believe the answer to both, or atleast the first one, is no.

Im thinkin with 18x8.5 rims, with some GOOD tires, slicks or some hoosier quick time pros (or w/e) i dont see why i couldnt cut a 1.8 60', or atleast a 1.9.


Do you have the stage 1 pcm? If not buy the realtune stage 1 killer pcm NOW do not wait another minute. With either pcm upgrade the CSRT4 is like a completely different car, its a bit more boost overall plus the big changes are to the drive by wire the car actually kicks in when you floor it immediately, and it is a bunch more boost in first and second.

yes i have the MS1, and would have the MS1k already but i need to save for tires because i have the ms1, lol.



and to add to jim's post the ms1k or 2 which is coming out soon is a must have in a caliber!!! get the realtune small front brake kit and some 15" slicks on the caliber so you can actually hook up..

i debated about the small brake kit, but im not trying to get "that" serious about my 60'. ide really like to get into road racing in the future, too. ide assume the brake fade would be much greater with a smaller dia rotor.

im sure my brothers probobly right, and i personally wont ever see a 1.8 60', but thats not really the point. the point is, I was right and you (brother) were wrong. nana boo boo! lol kidding :durr

thanks everyone for your input! i made this thread because I just had to know what the truth was, because sometimes opinions turn into facts, and hurt egos turn to photoshop. not to mention, people just b/s.


edit: ^^^^kudos on the 1.58 60', thats insane!

[Russ Jerome]

1.9's all day, several 1.8's and two 1.7's at GLD (weak traction for fwd compared to street).

#2670 FWD with driver.
205/50-15's Falken Azenia's (not nearly as sticky at DKW's).
3100rpm stall, tall geared auto.
Single air shock in rear.
Brake stood to 10-14psi at launch with 17-21psi desired (t-3/4 .63/"E")

[Red97GTP]

I was gonna bring your car up Fred. 1.6 is certainly feasible with FWD plus slicks. Fred's putting down 400+ whp.

[1siksrt]

The best 60 ft. in my Grand Prix was 1.58 with MT ET drags,10.5 psi.Most of the time it's in the 1.6 range.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m320/pacecar959/scan0002-1.jpg?t=1305247572

Auto??? big difference from manual... Awesome run though man!!

[BeesTwinEG]

our 60fts are usually in high 1.5s to 1.6's. fwd honda stock 5spd transmission with 24' slicks.
I've seen low 1.4s to high 1.3s 60ft on drag fwd with 26' x 10

[Prince Valiant]

For my modified Daytona (low 14's @ 99-ish) and street tires, 2.25-2.22 was my typical "best." For the neon ACR, stock w/ stock street tires, 2.1-2.05 were my "best" (15.8-16.0 @ 86-ish).