New 5.oh on the dyno [Archive]

BOSS LX

03-26-2010, 03:26 PM

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Mod motors are slowly taking over nmra class by class. This new 5.0 has nothing in common with the 4.6, so it will be cool to see how far these go in the years to come!

Sure would be nice to have big hp, and not have to run crazy valve train!

juicedimpss

03-26-2010, 03:30 PM

Mod motors are slowly taking over nmra class by class. This new 5.0 has nothing in common with the 4.6, so it will be cool to see how far these go in the years to come!

Sure would be nice to have big hp, and not have to run crazy valve train!

im guessing that is due to them coming down in price vs buying an aftermarket block for the old gen. 5oh to keep it together.

BOSS LX

03-26-2010, 03:32 PM

im guessing that is due to them coming down in price vs buying an aftermarket block for the old gen. 5oh to keep it together.

Yeah, stock block and heads would be nice!

BAD LS1

03-26-2010, 04:09 PM

That is pretty god damn impressive! Granted the power is a little out of reach though at 6600 and it is a dyno jet putting on the show... ill give credit though! By way of comparison my car with just 88 miles and RFS made 390/385 at obviously a lower RPM with 1.2L more disp. I wish one could see a graph to note wether it actuall makes alot of power under the curve too, then im gonna have to open my fucking wallet.

Prince Valiant

03-26-2010, 04:11 PM

Here's the graph:

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/mustang_dyno.jpg

My take is it's an impressive engine...

but I think inside line is grasping too hard for answers (severely underrated, making up for past,
bloody the camaro/etc), as to why it's making much more power than expected...

...when the other answer could be "This might be an optimistic dyno..." could suffice
as well.

Before I read crying about me bad mouthing ford (especially from DRK), it might not be either.
Never-the-less, we'll just have to wait for more dyno's and track times to see.

Still damn impressive for a 5.0h.

WhatsADSM

03-26-2010, 04:16 PM

Here's the graph:

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/mustang_dyno.jpg

A little peaky, but it still makes pretty good power. I assume it has a 6 speed, and if so I'd bet you always have access to ~350whp or more. :thumbsup

BAD LS1

03-26-2010, 04:17 PM

BOSS LX

03-26-2010, 04:23 PM

By the way im not trying to jack the thread by posting this, or creating drama FYI, its for COMPARISON.

My Dyno Sheet with before and after of tuning and intake

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/LS1builder/CAItune.jpg

Nice. Is your car dynoing about the same as others? Just wondering if you are getting more out of the do it yourself tune.

I also winder how lite the 2011 stang is.

BAD LS1

03-26-2010, 04:26 PM

Yeah i think the weight advatange to the mustang will help it alot, its prob 300 some odd pounds lighther. Yeah mine is a right in the avg for stock and slightly above avg for the mods. Im pretty excited for this new mustang now that it has some formidable clout right out of the box. I bet this car and mine from a 40 punch would be pretty much door handle to door handle. Lol its such a strange feeling getting all amped of over cars that are very much slow by others standards these days.

jbiscuit

03-26-2010, 05:24 PM

Very good numbers right out of the box! All that matters tommy is the highway should be fun once these start hitting the streets. Should make for some good ol fashioned street light drag races!

GTSLOW

03-26-2010, 11:49 PM

I can't wait to hear one of those with a decent exhaust system/LTs.

HITMAN

03-27-2010, 03:26 AM

I can't wait to hear one of those with a decent exhaust system/LTs.

Actually, I think it sounds damned good for a stock exhaust. Also, from what I've read, there is VERY little to be gained from LT headers (10hp maybe) on this engine. Ford pulled out most of the stops on the design of this thing, so unless you don't mind spending money on minute gains, save your money for the forged pistons to go with the blower or turbo system that will inevitably find it's way onto this engine. With the stock head flow of the new 5.0 mod head (best for any mod motor yet) and the kinda big (by stock standards) cams, this thing will flat shit on most any new domestic in a similar state of modification.

Tommy, with you lugging 4000 pounds of imported Government Motors pig around along with that bullshit IRS, you had BETTER open that wallet of yours... :D

BAD LS1

03-27-2010, 07:38 AM

Actually, I think it sounds damned good for a stock exhaust. Also, from what I've read, there is VERY little to be gained from LT headers (10hp maybe) on this engine. Ford pulled out most of the stops on the design of this thing, so unless you don't mind spending money on minute gains, save your money for the forged pistons to go with the blower or turbo system that will inevitably find it's way onto this engine. With the stock head flow of the new 5.0 mod head (best for any mod motor yet) and the kinda big (by stock standards) cams, this thing will flat shit on most any new domestic in a similar state of modification.

Tommy, with you lugging 4000 pounds of imported Government Motors pig around along with that bullshit IRS, you had BETTER open that wallet of yours... :D

Carrying nearly 50HP more accross the entire power band, ill wait till i encounter one on the street to make my decision. Turns out these S197s aren't the lightest either it looks, saw somewhere around 3800 lbs for your avg GT?

GTSLOW

03-27-2010, 01:56 PM

Actually, I think it sounds damned good for a stock exhaust. Also, from what I've read, there is VERY little to be gained from LT headers (10hp maybe) on this engine. Ford pulled out most of the stops on the design of this thing, so unless you don't mind spending money on minute gains, save your money for the forged pistons to go with the blower or turbo system that will inevitably find it's way onto this engine. With the stock head flow of the new 5.0 mod head (best for any mod motor yet) and the kinda big (by stock standards) cams, this thing will flat shit on most any new domestic in a similar state of modification.

Tommy, with you lugging 4000 pounds of imported Government Motors pig around along with that bullshit IRS, you had BETTER open that wallet of yours... :D

Oh I didn't say it doesn't sound good. Heck my GTO sounded good, however when a V8 sports cars exhaust is quieter than a 1994 V6 Kia Rio then something needs to be changed or upgraded. :D

BAD LS1

03-27-2010, 03:36 PM

Slow Joe

03-27-2010, 06:12 PM

Where do I sign?

WhatsADSM

03-27-2010, 07:07 PM

I stand corrected on my above statment about it being roughly 300 lbs lighter, they are nearly identical w/o driver.

5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V-8 17/25 (est.) 16/24 (est.)
BASE CURB WEIGHT (POUNDS)
Manual transmission 3,875 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Automatic transmission 4,000 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Weight distribution (f/r) 54/46 (est.) 54/46 (est.)
Specifications subject to change without prior notification

Yikes! The mustange just gave up its weight advantage?

It was looking so good with the stock power it was putting out, but once you put the weight back into the equation it's not going to be all that fast.

All new cars are pigs. Amazing how a 3300# sports car these days is a lightweight. :chair:

Prince Valiant

03-27-2010, 07:30 PM

Well, I'm sure it'll be fast.....

All new cars are pigs. Amazing how a 3300# sports car these days is a lightweight. :chair:What's interesting is MT put some older articles related to the mustang in anticipation of the return of the 5.0...and had articles from 83 even, featuring the 83 stang and camaro, as well as the upcoming 84 Dodge Daytona turboZ

The camaro was the porker of the group at 3100#

...followed by the Daytona at 2600#

While the 'stang was the sveltest of the group at 2550# :wow

(for the record, 1/4 mile was camaro in 15.5, 'stang in 16.1, and Daytona 16.4...so, despite the light weight, the lack of hp was killing them, lol. Highest hp was the camaro at 190, 'stang at 175, Daytona 142hp)

HITMAN

03-27-2010, 08:17 PM

I stand corrected on my above statment about it being roughly 300 lbs lighter, they are nearly identical w/o driver.

5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V-8 17/25 (est.) 16/24 (est.)
BASE CURB WEIGHT (POUNDS)
Manual transmission 3,875 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Automatic transmission 4,000 (est.) 4,000 (est.)
Weight distribution (f/r) 54/46 (est.) 54/46 (est.)
Specifications subject to change without prior notification

Where in thee fuck did you source that BS from?
Here are Fords' specs for the car:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Mustang_GT_Specs.pdf

The car gains almost no weight from the 2010 car and according to C&D their 2010 test vehicle weighed 3580lbs.

Prince Valiant

03-28-2010, 07:09 AM

Which is to say it weighs 3605#?

GTSLOW

03-28-2010, 09:57 AM

where in thee fuck did you source that bs from?
Here are fords' specs for the car:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_mustang_gt_specs.pdf

the car gains almost no weight from the 2010 car and according to c&d their 2010 test vehicle weighed 3580lbs.

Ford RAGE right thur! :goof

BOSS LX

03-28-2010, 02:39 PM

Well, I'm sure it'll be fast.....What's interesting is MT put some older articles related to the mustang in anticipation of the return of the 5.0...and had articles from 83 even, featuring the 83 stang and camaro, as well as the upcoming 84 Dodge Daytona turboZ

The camaro was the porker of the group at 3100#

...followed by the Daytona at 2600#

While the 'stang was the sveltest of the group at 2550# :wow

(for the record, 1/4 mile was camaro in 15.5, 'stang in 16.1, and Daytona 16.4...so, despite the light weight, the lack of hp was killing them, lol. Highest hp was the camaro at 190, 'stang at 175, Daytona 142hp)

There is no way a 83 mustang weighs 2550.

Prince Valiant

03-28-2010, 02:50 PM

There is no way a 83 mustang weighs 2550.According to the vintage '83 MT article is did:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/archive/112_8307_1983_ford_mustang_chevrolet_camaro_dodge_ daytona_comparison/specs.html

FoxStang

03-28-2010, 02:58 PM

According to the vintage '83 MT article is did:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/archive/112_8307_1983_ford_mustang_chevrolet_camaro_dodge_ daytona_comparison/specs.html

Must be a typo, or that Fox lost 500 pounds somewhere.
Edit:
That article also claims that the Mustang weights 159.1 kg, must of been a rare breed, 350 pounds.

Someone definitely got the numbers wrong.

TransAm12sec

03-28-2010, 02:59 PM

lol, I think they forgot a 1 for the kg rating.

159.1 kg (2550.0 lb)

I remember weights on the sticker inside the door jam were lighter than normal, maybe a shipping weight or something like that.

HITMAN

03-28-2010, 03:08 PM

Which is to say it weighs 3605#?

Yeah. Even with a full tank of gas and a 200lb driver this thing shouldn't be as heavy as Tom's specs showed. It's a smaller car than a Camaro, and it doesn't have that oh-so-sophisticated dead weight wheel hopping IRS trying to make it sink to the core of the planet. Ford went all out to make sure that the incoming Coyote 4V engine weighed no more than the outgoing 3V 4.6. The only real appreciable weight gain, near as I can tell, are the new transmissions. They probably account for the weight discrepancy between the '10 and the '11 model years.

Prince Valiant

03-28-2010, 04:38 PM

HITMAN

03-28-2010, 10:10 PM

Motor trend has done a dyno session as well with both the GT and v6 stangs.

Their dyno (K&N's shop dyno) was a little less optimistic and returned 365hp in 3rd gear, 377hp in 4th. (still impressive, don't get me wrong---and still suggesting that it's either underrated or perhaps still a little optimistic)

The V6 returned 267hp in 4th gear.

http://wot.motortrend.com/6659607/auto-news/mustang-power-we-dyno-the-2011-ford-mustang-50-v-8-and-37-v-6/page2.html#comments

Inside Line may have also gone ahead and used 5th gear as opposed to MT which used 3rd and 4th. I disagree with MT's assessment that with the rear gearing (3.31:1) that 5th would have been too steep for a dyno pull. Also, there is an optional final drive for this car (3.73:1) and they may have had this and made a 5th gear pull. I'm not saying this is what they did, but it may account for the discrepancy. :confused

WhatsADSM

03-28-2010, 11:52 PM

Yea FWIW the car should have been dyno'd in 5th..

The whole point is the dyno that car in a 1:1 ratio to try to minimize the drive-train loss.

Doesn't really matter though you are splitting hairs I would say it safe to say they dyno around 380 and will weight just over 3600. Pretty impressive.

P.S. There is nothing wrong with an IRS if you plan to use the car to turn. Also you have to actually make a decent one unlike the one in the 03 cobra.

BOSS LX

03-29-2010, 12:03 PM

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

12.8@110.8 mph Stock!!!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

The 6 banger ran 13.7@102

TransAm12sec

03-29-2010, 12:33 PM

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

There are a few ... in that link.

V8
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_gt_premium_test/test_numbers.html

V6
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1003_2011_ford_mustang_v_6_test/test_numbers.html

BAD LS1

03-29-2010, 12:43 PM

Thats pretty cool! Thats faster than 03-04 cobras' ran stock! Finally, a bone stock ford motor that doesnt need FI to be respectable.

Watch the V6 vid, check out the wheel hop though, its worse than my IRS turd! Not nearly as bad from the V8 car, but its there.

Im aching to come across one of these on the street yet for a little touch em up session... But what a much improved car over the 05-09's is! I first just noticed the new changes in the interior now, much more GM-like ford stuff is getting interior wise, thats good!

letsrunem

03-29-2010, 12:44 PM

Wow this is the first mustang I've liked since the foxes.

Prince Valiant

03-29-2010, 12:50 PM

The 6 banger ran 13.7@102hmmm...maybe the wife would like a v6 stang?

BOSS LX

03-29-2010, 12:51 PM

hmmm...maybe[/email] the wife would like a v6 stang?

Next time I see her I will ask!:thumbsup

BOSS LX

03-29-2010, 12:53 PM

I wonder if 3640 is the real weight?

Prince Valiant

03-29-2010, 01:45 PM

Next time I see her I will ask!:thumbsupHave you seen her a first time? :wow

GTSLOW

03-29-2010, 02:45 PM

:rolf tags "obama is pissed"

FoxStang

03-29-2010, 09:16 PM

more GM-like ford stuff is getting interior wise, thats good!
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by more GM like? Style wise?

WhatsADSM

03-29-2010, 10:54 PM

Another really impressive 6! The v6 maro and stang are actually really damn impressive.

HITMAN

03-30-2010, 12:42 AM

I first just noticed the new changes in the interior now, much more GM-like ford stuff is getting interior wise, thats good!

Wow, what an insult. I don't know about the new Camaro as I haven't studied one real close, but in the past GM's plastic has always looked like Kia's rejects. I've never seen such cheap looking plastic in a car. That was the big turn off for me on the GTO. The interior looked so nice in pictures, but when I actually sat in one and looked at the materials, I just rolled my eyes and got out. What really kills me is the fake aluminum looking plastic pieces that GM slaps all over their performance cars. Even the high-end Vette's are guilty of this. Now look at the Mustang interior. The aluminum you see on the dash is just that: aluminum. Instead of making the engine look good, GM covers them up with a big plastic cover, and charges you extra for a special painted one. The 5.0 has a plastic cover that makes one reminiscent of the original SHO Taurus intake plenum. I don't think it needs it, as IMO the engine looks cool without the plastic junk, but at least the engine compartment doesn't look like it was sourced from Mattel.

HITMAN

03-30-2010, 01:07 AM

Another really impressive 6! The v6 maro and stang are actually really damn impressive.

They ain't bad for the money. Sad thing is for as impressive as these engines are, they still don't compare to the best the wops and krauts have. The N/A 3.8L flat six in the 2011 Porsche 911 GT3RS makes 450hp and the 4.5L V8 in the new Ferrari 458 Italia makes 560 N/A hp. Of course those cars are like 6 times as expensive, so it's not really a fair comparison, but it does make you wish that they'd take the leash off of our engineers and really let 'em run...

BAD LS1

03-30-2010, 05:40 AM

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by more GM like? Style wise?

Yes, style wise... materials, button design and general feel.

BAD LS1

03-30-2010, 05:44 AM

Wow, what an insult. I don't know about the new Camaro as I haven't studied one real close, but in the past GM's plastic has always looked like Kia's rejects. I've never seen such cheap looking plastic in a car. That was the big turn off for me on the GTO. The interior looked so nice in pictures, but when I actually sat in one and looked at the materials, I just rolled my eyes and got out. What really kills me is the fake aluminum looking plastic pieces that GM slaps all over their performance cars. Even the high-end Vette's are guilty of this. Now look at the Mustang interior. The aluminum you see on the dash is just that: aluminum. Instead of making the engine look good, GM covers them up with a big plastic cover, and charges you extra for a special painted one. The 5.0 has a plastic cover that makes one reminiscent of the original SHO Taurus intake plenum. I don't think it needs it, as IMO the engine looks cool without the plastic junk, but at least the engine compartment doesn't look like it was sourced from Mattel.

Engine covers aside, the untrained eye cant barely distinguish the engine bay differences between this car, a camaro and a challenger. They all use the same airbox location and shape electronics placement etc etc etc. Same with the mid sections of the undercarriage. The only thing that might tell the mustang apart at first glance to a novice is the strut tower brace.

All bullshit aside, Props to the new mustang, the muscle cars are back on par with each other once again, 40 years later.

FoxStang

03-30-2010, 03:13 PM

Yes, style wise... materials, button design and general feel.

In terms of how they look, I'd agree. But I'm with Hitman, the materials and build quality in GM's over the past few years, short of the new La Crosse, I've driven are sad at best. Not to say Ford's is superb, but I'd definitely say its better. What's really sad is Cadillac, the interior materials (some of them) and options might be nice, but the build quality compared to a Euro lux is so far behind its not even funny.

Exterior styling wise I love the look of the new Camaro, but the Mustang has some sort of attraction to it. Isn't competition great?

STANMAN

03-30-2010, 08:33 PM

I actually like the interiors on the 05-09 better than the 10 and up. I don't like how the air vents go from round on the outside 2, while the inside 2 ae square. It just doesn't flow well.

One thing I love about the new Maro's (that I have always loved), are the analog gauges on the center console, it's hot.:thumbsup

BOSS LX

04-05-2010, 03:29 PM

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_1006_2011_mustang_gt_2010_camaro_ss_2010_chall enger_srt8_comparison/index.html

BAD LS1

04-05-2010, 04:09 PM

Props are due to the 2011 mustang again! Cant say much for the mopar that its in dead last again with an SRT8 this time???

BOSS LX

04-05-2010, 04:41 PM

Props are due to the 2011 mustang again! Cant say much for the mopar that its in dead last again with an SRT8 this time???

Yeah, and it sounds like a 1995 1500 ram with glass packs!

Not that I am a fan of motortrend, but regardless a 12.7 at 111 is badass!

And why is every Camaro tested yellow? :puke

Waver

04-05-2010, 04:52 PM

Yeah, and it sounds like a 1995 1500 ram with glass packs!

Not that I am a fan of motortrend, but regardless a 12.7 at 111 is badass!

And why is every Camaro tested yellow? :puke

Probably what GM uses as a press car.....you know, bright colors sells cars and magazines

Prince Valiant

04-05-2010, 05:27 PM

Props are due to the 2011 mustang again! Cant say much for the mopar that its in dead last again with an SRT8 this time???Perhaps in the acceleration...but they picked/scored the SRT ahead of the camaro :wow

Not worried about the SRT though...it's due for a refresh for the '11 model year.

HITMAN

04-05-2010, 09:22 PM

Perhaps in the acceleration...but they picked/scored the SRT ahead of the camaro :wow

Not worried about the SRT though...it's due for a refresh for the '11 model year.

Yeah? And with what money are they gonna do this? Chrysler is on extremely shaky ground right now and I can't see them spending whole bunch of cash that they can't really spare just to repop a design that doesn't move a lot of units and probably isn't terribly profitable. I'm a Mopar fan and I like the Challenger, but I'm having a hard time seeing much of a future for either one right now...

BOSS LX

04-05-2010, 09:34 PM

Yeah, I hope Mopar makes it to 2011!

Not to mention for that price range you can have a GT500.

Prince Valiant

04-05-2010, 10:56 PM

Yeah? And with what money are they gonna do this? Chrysler is on extremely shaky ground right now and I can't see them spending whole bunch of cash that they can't really spare just to repop a design that doesn't move a lot of units and probably isn't terribly profitable. I'm a Mopar fan and I like the Challenger, but I'm having a hard time seeing much of a future for either one right now...I don't want to thread-jack too much...so I created another thread:

http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?p=633132#post633132

It gives a heads up for what's in store the next couple years...

FoxStang

04-06-2010, 02:01 AM

Yeah, I hope Mopar makes it to 2011!

Not to mention for that price range you can have a GT500.

Part that didn't makes sense to me, if they brought a SRT-8, why not a GT500. I mean I understand that its to throw the new 5.0 into the mix, but that would have only been fair. Not to say they really needed to bring a GT500 though. :wooo