New wheels for the NSX - Advan RS 17/18

[M BADGER]

Here are a few photos of my new wheels

Advan RS 17 x 8.0 and 18 x 10.0

Tires are Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec 215/40/17 and 265/35/18

Car is lowered on Eibach springs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1013.jpg
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[johnny--2k]

Ryan, car is looking great! Glad to see you made it here, I may have to start coming on wednesdays again now, I only work till 6PM, so it's a bit more realistic that i can join you guys again!

[Yooformula]

looks good!

[Flicktitty]

looks good, i think it would look ALOT better a little lower though.

[Bobby "Big Daddy" Flay]

looks good, i think it would look ALOT better a little lower though.

x2

[M BADGER]

looks good, i think it would look ALOT better a little lower though.

It would look better to some, but the handling would suffer.

My setup is about performance rather than appearance.

I don't care about having the sickest drop.

[wrath]

I'm noticing an ever popular trend:
Wheels WAY too wide for the rubber wrapped around them. What is bringing this phenomenon back from the 80s? I thought it was gone with the drywall screws through the beads of yesteryear.

[M BADGER]

I'm noticing an ever popular trend:
Wheels WAY too wide for the rubber wrapped around them. What is bringing this phenomenon back from the 80s? I thought it was gone with the drywall screws through the beads of yesteryear.

These wheels and tires are perfectly sized.

You should see what actualy stretched tires look like.

[jbiscuit]

I do agree the tires look a hair narrow on the wheels. The wheels themselves look good tho

[wrath]

The only reason it looks halfway normal is because there are rimsavers (see: BFG truck tires circa 10 years ago) cast into them. You shouldn't have to use a ratchet strap to seat the bead. Do the tires not have corners to the casing? Seems like the corners would be laid flat.

Are those tires designed to have the flex point of the sidewall be at the wheel?


PS: Just asking questions. Honda NSXs and Mark IV Supras are the only asian cars that ever got anything right in the 90s so I tend to pay more attention to them.

[MoCkiN U]

Welcome to the forums. Maybe its just an online thing but you seem really touchy on anything said that doesnt match your plan. Maybe its just me????

[M BADGER]

I suppose I am a bit defensive, as the lowering criticism gets old quickly. I know people love the slammed look, but it is not terribly functional on the street or track.

I was somewhat surprised by the stretched comments, as I don't think these look stretched by today's standards.

[Ricky Bobby]

looks good welcome

[MoCkiN U]

What are your summer plans? Do you drive it more, car shows, auto cross? There are a couple cruises that happen with this group each year and also one of our members Joel Jawronski has a pretty diverse events list that you might already be on. Not sure but if not we'll get you on it.

[FoxStang]

You should see what actualy stretched tires look like.

This.

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l390/GTEPWRD/6_105_70_R14.jpg

I'd say it looks great the way it is, especially if your trying to keep it functional.

[M BADGER]

What are your summer plans? Do you drive it more, car shows, auto cross? There are a couple cruises that happen with this group each year and also one of our members Joel Jawronski has a pretty diverse events list that you might already be on. Not sure but if not we'll get you on it.

I have been attending Joel's events the last few years and plan to continue this year.

I do a lot of informal meet/drive events with smaller groups of local enthusiasts, such as the one that Johnny-2k mentioned.

I try to do 4-6 track days (HPDE) during the summer at Road America and Blackhawk through the BMWCCA and PCA.

I attend a number of car shows in the NSX, but if I am showing a car at the event it is usually the M5. The M5 has been shown at the Badger Bimmers and Botham Vineyards events.

Wakeboarding is likely to limit my car event time this summer. Not a bad problem to have.

[WhatsADSM]

So I actually do agree with wrath on this one. I think stretched tires are pretty stupid in general.

Those tires are in fact stretched on those rims, however badger is also right I have seen FAR FAR worse. You want to see some ridiculous JDM-tyte stretching take a look at the 240sx forums.

Tires and rims work best when they are "bricked" (i.e. no tire bulge, no tire stretch). IIRC I think perfect for a 10" rim is something like a 275/285 and about a 235 on the 8". FWIW I am getting Z1s put on my car in a week or so and I am putting 275s on my 9.5" and 255 on my 8.5".

Beyond that everything looks good IMO. Rims look good, drop looks good and functional, and I've always had a sweet spot for the NSX.

[PureSound15]

The wheels are gorgeous, but the tires do look a bit stretched. I suppose I'm a bit curious what you're reasoning is for the stance, but I like the car!

[Silver86]

looks good to me! :thumbsup

[xxsn0blindxx]

I would call that slightly undersized, but certainly not stretched. Regardless I think the car looks great. I'm more interested in the M5 in the background.

For reference this is what intentionally stretched tires look like
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/3734243048_23d4684895_b.jpg

[0TransAm0]

Eh re size the pics dude. some of us don't have 30" monitors.. car looks good tires look like rubber bands.. to each there own. its your car not mine.

[CATNHAT]

Another nice whip rollin in PEWAUKEE!

[95 TA - The Beast]

I like the rims, the stretched tires need to go...

Fronts should be 225s at least, and rears should be 275s at least and probably 285s for a 10" wide rim...

Can't stand the trend of using stretched tires to get rims fit that are the wrong width or offset. I have seen plenty of underwidth tires used so people don't rub, but it always looks like ass... No offense, just pointing out the obvious.

Actually, the rims themselves sit outside the fender lips... So the offset is wrong or the rims are too wide for the car. Again, just pointing out the obvious. Looks too "hooptie".

[MoCkiN U]

man, you guys are brutal to new people.

[JohnnyT]

Thge NSX looks nice! Lets see some pics of the e28 M5 in the garage!!! :thumbsup

[Prince Valiant]

To me, the ride height strikes me as perfect...still functional, still the right "look" too.

Rims terrific.

But yeah, the tires do look a little stretched/skated. Noticeable, but not obnoxiously so...and probably not to the detriment of ride or handling too noticeably.

[wikked]

VW ownes are notorious for tire stretching asshattery... I didn't even notice it on the NSX until Wrath's post :P

[M BADGER]

I like the rims, the stretched tires need to go...

Fronts should be 225s at least, and rears should be 275s at least and probably 285s for a 10" wide rim...

Can't stand the trend of using stretched tires to get rims fit that are the wrong width or offset. I have seen plenty of underwidth tires used so people don't rub, but it always looks like ass... No offense, just pointing out the obvious.

Actually, the rims themselves sit outside the fender lips... So the offset is wrong or the rims are too wide for the car. Again, just pointing out the obvious. Looks too "hooptie".

I love how this forum is now full of experts on NSX offset and tire sizing.

I suggest the internet warriors do a bit more research on the subject.

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/products/exterior_performance_products/NSX/Advan/RS/

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1288946#post1288946

[M BADGER]

The inability to edit a post on this forum is annoying.

[MoCkiN U]

the edit button is on the bottom right of the post you created. It might be post count activated tho???

You would be surprised what kinds of experts we have on this board and overall cool people so relax and join in with them. Its kinda obvious man that putting a 265 tire on a 10" wheel is too small and will stretch it out. it would be waaaaay more obvious without the rim savers as already stated. The sidewall doesnt have the same look on the rear as the front does because its too small. We have all made little errors with our cars and purchases now and then and we learn from them or at least I did.

[0TransAm0]

i think you need 100 posts first to edit. not sure tho.

[M BADGER]

the edit button is on the bottom right of the post you created. It might be post count activated tho???

You would be surprised what kinds of experts we have on this board and overall cool people so relax and join in with them. Its kinda obvious man that putting a 265 tire on a 10" wheel is too small and will stretch it out. it would be waaaaay more obvious without the rim savers as already stated. The sidewall doesnt have the same look on the rear as the front does because its too small. We have all made little errors with our cars and purchases now and then and we learn from them or at least I did.

There is no edit button shown. It is likely post-count dependent.

I have no doubt that this forum is full of people with lots of expertise and many who are cool. But it is also clear that people like to chime in with their criticism, many of whom have no idea what they are talking about.

My reaction has been restrained. I am quite relaxed.

No error has been made. I am quite happy with my wheels and tires. They are exactly what I wanted. And frankly, that is all that matters.

[M BADGER]

For the E28 M5 fans:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_IMG_0121.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=IMG_0121.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_IMG_0128.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=IMG_0128.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_IMG_0454.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=IMG_0454.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_IMG_0290.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=IMG_0290.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_15dca5b5.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=15dca5b5.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/th_1ad69047.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=1ad69047.jpg)

:thumbsup

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[MoCkiN U]

They are exactly what I wanted. And frankly, that is all that matters.

werd :thumbsup

[JohnnyT]

For the E28 M5 fans:



SWEET!!! Thanks for sharing! Welcome to the board! :thumbsup

[WhatsADSM]

Yea this site, just like any on the net is full of some people that know what they are talking about and some that don't.

But also remember you posted up a picture of it, so of course people will comment. That is just the way the forums work.

Like you said, as long as you like it that is all that matters. BTW, are you going to the MFBA road america event in April? I saw one NSX on the list but I don't think it is yours. If not you should sign up, I think there are a few BCMers going. :thumbsup

[PureSound15]

I love how this forum is now full of experts on NSX offset and tire sizing.


I understand being protective of your decision or, rather, protective of the "NSX norm." But I don't think that any member has to have any knowledge of NSX culture to see that those tires are obviously stretched a bit.

The same could be said for the VW crowd that stretches tires constantly so that they can get the deep dish look without rubbing. Any person would say the tire looks stretched regardless of it being the "normal" thing for VW guys to do.

The wheels look great. I've got an Acura CLs for a DD which shares the 3.2 motor (Any differences?), and I have the NSX brakes on my car too. Good stuff :thumbsup



Any other plans for the car? Rather difficult to get a exotic sounding exhaust note out of it, but I did gain 31 WHP on my 3.2 with headers :stare

[M BADGER]

Yea this site, just like any on the net is full of some people that know what they are talking about and some that don't.

But also remember you posted up a picture of it, so of course people will comment. That is just the way the forums work.

Like you said, as long as you like it that is all that matters. BTW, are you going to the MFBA road america event in April? I saw one NSX on the list but I don't think it is yours. If not you should sign up, I think there are a few BCMers going. :thumbsup

I may be a newbie on BCM, but I have been participating in car forums since 2003. I am a marketplace moderator on NSXPrime.com

I understand forum dynamics and the fact that posting a picture invites comments, but was surprised by the negative reaction of some on this forum.

I am not planning on attending the F-body event in April. I have avoided the F-body events in the past because of the perception that they are run pretty loosely. I may be wrong, but it seems like they will let a Novice drive without an instructor, which is dangerous in my opinion. In BMWCCA and PCA HPDE events, all Novice and Intermediate drivers must have an instructor.

My HPDE plans are still taking shape.

[M BADGER]

The wheels look great. I've got an Acura CLs for a DD which shares the 3.2 motor (Any differences?), and I have the NSX brakes on my car too. Good stuff :thumbsup


The CL and the NSX do not share the same motor. Your motor is a J-series. The NSX is a C30A and C32B.

My car has a number of modifications.

In its current form, it is around 285 rwhp and 2900 pounds.

The AC has been removed. The car has a Mugen harness/roll bar and Simpson five-point harnesses.

The car runs Cantrell headers and Taitec test pipes into an ARK DT-X exhaust. It has a Cantrell induction scoop with a stock airbox.

The car is lowered with Eibach springs and has upgraded sway bars.

Future plans include a Brembo or Racing Brake BBK for the front and Koni adjustables all around.

Next year I plan to go forced induction for another 120 rwhp or so. That was the plan for this year, but I bought a boat instead.

[M BADGER]

And just to be clear, I think the J32 in your CL is a fine motor. I had the first 6-speed Acura TL (J32) delivered in Wisconsin. Drove it 45k miles over two and a half years and traded it for an E46 M3. It was a great car and I would have love it with AWD. It was Anthracite with the A-spec wheels:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/105_0590.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/?action=view&current=105_0590.jpg)

[PureSound15]

And just to be clear, I think the J32 in your CL is a fine motor.

Guess I never looked into it much, just noticed the 3.2 in both and figured it would be the same.

So is the C32 have a shorter stroke (for higher revving) then? I would imagine it's not a 60* motor, either. Interesting that they're similar in HP, though.

[WhatsADSM]

I may be a newbie on BCM, but I have been participating in car forums since 2003. I am a marketplace moderator on NSXPrime.com

I understand forum dynamics and the fact that posting a picture invites comments, but was surprised by the negative reaction of some on this forum.

I am not planning on attending the F-body event in April. I have avoided the F-body events in the past because of the perception that they are run pretty loosely. I may be wrong, but it seems like they will let a Novice drive without an instructor, which is dangerous in my opinion. In BMWCCA and PCA HPDE events, all Novice and Intermediate drivers must have an instructor.

My HPDE plans are still taking shape.

I'm pretty sure that in the MFBA events all novice drivers must have an instructor, intermediates and on can go out on their own. I am in group C (i.e. intermediate) and although I can go out on my own without an instructor I will be trying to get one at every opportunity. Seems like a good group from what I have heard, however couldn't tell ya anymore as this is my first MFBA event.

If you decide to change your mind:
http://roadamerica.fbody.us/

[WickedSix]

You're kinda comming off like a stuck up bitch thus far.... but the car looks nice and the wheels are gorgeous imo... the tires are not sized perfectly per the manufacturer's recommendations but not substantially the front should be a 7.5 and rear a 9.5... just because you love your vehicle doesn't mean others will.... i don't expect everyone to see the inner beauty in my 84 K30 :rolf but thats just one hillbillies opinion

[buttersgt350]

i would love to have an nsx, whether its tires looked stretched or not. nice car.

[M BADGER]

I'm pretty sure that in the MFBA events all novice drivers must have an instructor, intermediates and on can go out on their own. I am in group C (i.e. intermediate) and although I can go out on my own without an instructor I will be trying to get one at every opportunity. Seems like a good group from what I have heard, however couldn't tell ya anymore as this is my first MFBA event.

If you decide to change your mind:
http://roadamerica.fbody.us/

I have some friends who have done it for years and love it, but they like having less rules on the track. I may give the event a try one of these days. Thanks for the invite.

[M BADGER]

You're kinda comming off like a stuck up bitch thus far.... but the car looks nice and the wheels are gorgeous imo... the tires are not sized perfectly per the manufacturer's recommendations but not substantially the front should be a 7.5 and rear a 9.5... just because you love your vehicle doesn't mean others will.... i don't expect everyone to see the inner beauty in my 84 K30 :rolf but thats just one hillbillies opinion

I don't care if other people love my vehicle, but don't act like my response was somehow inappropriate.

People can say what they want, but if they are going to say negative things they can hardly be surprised or indignant when I react in kind.

[M BADGER]

Guess I never looked into it much, just noticed the 3.2 in both and figured it would be the same.

So is the C32 have a shorter stroke (for higher revving) then? I would imagine it's not a 60* motor, either. Interesting that they're similar in HP, though.

The C-series motors are 90 degree V6s

The NSX C30A is 90 x 78 mm

The NSX C32B is 93 x 78 mm

I believe the J32 is 86 x 84 mm

[MoCkiN U]

getting a very strong "my shit dont stink" vibe here. Patrick might not be far off. Just saying man. Someone with so much forum experience as stated would know how to endear himself to new people. Just sayin man relax a little give yourself sometime to fit in.

[M BADGER]

getting a very strong "my shit dont stink" vibe here. Patrick might not be far off. Just saying man. Someone with so much forum experience as stated would know how to endear himself to new people. Just sayin man relax a little give yourself sometime to fit in.

Thanks for your input.

[JMG853]

Looks good Ryan - Really sharp!

Joel G


Here are a few photos of my new wheels

Advan RS 17 x 8.0 and 18 x 10.0

Tires are Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec 215/40/17 and 265/35/18

Car is lowered on Eibach springs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/brahtw8/IMG_1028.jpg

[Korndogg]

stretched..











there, I said it....I can continue on with my day

[M BADGER]

Looks good Ryan - Really sharp!

Joel G

Thanks, Joel.

I am looking forward to another year of great events!

[M BADGER]

stretched..

there, I said it....I can continue on with my day

:thumbsup

[HP ADDICT]

Nice car man! I always have had respect for the NSX. 2900#s is no joke!

[Old Dog]

Even though I prefer American muscle, that is a nice looking car.

[lilws6]

I do think they look VERY VERY VERY slightly stretched but i'm also slightly biased since i stuffed 335/35's on my 10.5 wide wheels and love the stance it had. NSX's are always one of my favorite cars to see at shows and what not i love the way they look and they are biult to perform. opinions are like assholes everyone had them and if your not prepared to hear them then i would suggest you do think about leaving this here forum cuz were all a bunch or beer drinking hillbillies with fast cars and opinions :durr you'll learn to see the sarcasm in some others posts like above that was sarcasm. Hope you like it here!! its a fun forum over all. just for reference tho i'll throw up some pics of my overly wide tires!! :wow
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/lilws6/33535r171.jpg (http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/lilws6/?action=view&current=33535r171.jpg)
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[wrath]

The tires are too narrow for the wheels. It should not look like you have two lips on your wheels and tires. The flex in the sidewall should be near the halfway point between the outer edge of the casing and the bead. Few tires are designed to flex near the bead or the corner of the casing, most are designed to flex right in the middle of the sidewall. When they flex at these outer points excessive heat can build up. Further, the casing can begin to de-laminate. I have seen plenty of tires (my favorite are Pirelli) fall apart because the wheels were too wide for the rubber.

Modern tires, especially performance tires are often over-built so they take quite a bit of abuse. So, I have no doubt the tires in question will provide a decent service life even at their maximum weight rating on the widest suggested wheel.

Historically, tires have been put on wheels such that the bead sealing surface is immediately in line with the edge of the tread of the tire. Narrower has been accepted because it's easy to deal with a tire that has a crown and at worst you end up with "second rib wear". However, wider often leads to the outside edges of the tire wearing faster and the only solution is to over-inflate which causes basketball syndrome and often end up with feathering.

So, when I see someone who clearly spends a lot of time on a fine automobile purposely running tires that don't match the wheels it grabs my interest.

[turbogarrett]

I have 265's on 10" wheels up front on my car and it is fairly square. Actual tire and wheel widths seem to vary quite a bit between manufacturers, it can be hard to tell how what things will look like until mounted up. I've seen some 285 tires that were wider than 315's from another company.

Nice car and welcome aboard!

[jbiscuit]

^ I agree...each tire maker is slightly different for the same exact size. My Continentals on my WRX were significantly wider than the stock OEM Bridgestones of the same tire size. Have you considered trying to get a refund for the tires or at least credit towards a wider tire that fits the wheel/car better?

[pOrk]

I like the car, I am one of those slammed guys so I will keep that comment to myself.

See you at the cruises this summer most likely

[domokun]

can I shoot it? :-D

[wrath]

Michelin tires and many other tires have a significantly smaller tread width than section width. The number in the tire size is the section width on a specific width rim at a specific pressure and is measured from the largest distance from sidewall to sidewall without any weight on the tire. Some tires are more square-sidewalled and therefore have a tread width closer to the section width. Some tires have very large tread blocks at the corner of the tire (mostly light truck tires like Interco, Pitbull and niche tires like Krawlers).

[M BADGER]

can I shoot it? :-D

Sure.