awd for under 4k?

[CarbonRX]

looking to buy an awd car for under 4k but the only 2 feasable cars i can really think of are the eagle talon tsi(dont start modifying), or a subaru 2.5 rs. im leaning towards the rs right now but i dont like the fact that its replacement the wrx has almost double the hp and a full second less 1/4 mile pass time.
so any cars im overlooking?

[CarbonRX]

oh and also the audi a4 1.8t but any repairs will be expensive!!!

[hrsp]

3000gt vr4...but prolly wont find one for 4k

[URLOZIN]

3000gt vr4...but prolly wont find one for 4k
dodge stealth, pretty much same thing as 3000gt, but cheaper.

[hrsp]

dodge stealth, pretty much same thing as 3000gt, but cheaper.

yeppers....

[-stew-]

Tempo, 6000, Astro van, Aerostar, Bravada, mountaineer, caravan, all-track corolla. Maybe find an old full time four wheel drive ramcharger.

[hrsp]

Tempo, 6000, Astro van, Aerostar, Bravada, mountaineer, caravan, all-track corolla. Maybe find an old full time four wheel drive ramcharger.

think he only wants a car....

[CarbonRX]

yep, cars only

[Nix]

Buy a fucking AMC Eagle. Theres your awd, cornholer... :goof

[FoxStang]

Celica all-trac, those are damn hard to come by in good shape though. Shame, not many people know about them, they were pretty good cars. 3S-GTE so there is a huge aftermarket for it too.

[hrsp]

Celica all-trac, those are damn hard to come by in good shape though. Shame, not many people know about them, they were pretty good cars. 3S-GTE so theirs a huge aftermarket for it too.

wont find one in decent shape for 4k...would be cool though!!

[hrsp]

AMC EAGLE FTW!!!!! errrrr not :)

[Nix]

AMC EAGLE FTW!!!!! errrrr not :)

:rolf :rolf

[-stew-]

Fml I forgot all about the eagle! And the Pontiac 6000 and Ford Tempo are cars. And a Ramcharger might as well be. Its just a big car.

[lasttimearound]

vulva cross country, and if can save a bit more an audi allroad, love sexy all wheel drive wagons

[Prince Valiant]

subaru brat or justy.

[WhatsADSM]

FWIW both the RS and TSi aren't exactly stellar choices if you are planning to keep the car as a reliable daily driver.

The RSes have the 2.5 known for blowing headgaskets left and right, and the TSi is well... a DSM.

What do you plan to do with the car? Build it or use it as a daily?

[CarbonRX]

dd+autox year round

[Rocket Power]

AMC EAGLE FTW!!!!! errrrr not :)
Eagle?

Jce05tqMTHI
From where I used to work ^^^^

[pOrk]

dd+autox year round


Lol

[88Nightmare]

awd civic wagon. honda = big aftermarket. just head to auto zone

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee182/shenrie/autox.jpg

autocross capable

[-stew-]

Or you could just buy a rwd car and learn how to drive.

[Moparjim]

dodge stealth, pretty much same thing as 3000gt, but cheaper.

Exactly the same thing would be more accurate...

[DRK]

BMW X series.

[CarbonRX]

Or you could just buy a rwd car and learn how to drive.

ive got my rwd car. ik how to drive it. and im going a different direction with the car and i also don't want to ever drive it in winter (i do right now but i haven't had it more than a month and can't help it).

[WhatsADSM]

Well they don't autox in the winter anyways so there is no need for any of that.

To be perfectly honest you would probably do best with a FWD honda with winter tires for the winter time and some autox tires in the summer. Nice and reliable, cheap to modify and maintain and handle well. I also think they would be more competitive in their class then the RS or TSi.

[HY35F2T]

Your telling me you couldnt google something?Or join a site thats about auto x?

Cars that i always hear about doing good are..

Mazda miata
probes/mx6
mx3

those are all fwd cept the miata obviously, and can be had for pretty cheap.

[eyeball]

AMC EAGLE FTW!!!!! errrrr not :)

ha ha ha, SUCK IT!

http://www.extremepsi.org/gallery/albums/86-AMC-Eagle/amc.jpg

$660, then spend the rest on hookers and booze.

[BoosTT]

Volvo

[lasttimearound]

ha ha ha, SUCK IT!

http://www.extremepsi.org/gallery/albums/86-AMC-Eagle/amc.jpg

$660, then spend the rest on hookers and booze.

dude, i just saw you on wed on hwy 100 (i think it was) i even commented on how hot that is! love the jeep wheels.

[eyeball]

dude, i just saw you on wed on hwy 100 (i think it was) i even commented on how hot that is! love the jeep wheels.

thanks man.
I get asked a lot of questions about. It usually goes like this; Them: Wow, I haven't seen on of those in ten years! It's really clean, where'd you get it? Me: West Bend...
The entire driveline is out of a Jeep Cherokee, not just the wheels.

[hrsp]

ha ha ha, SUCK IT!

http://www.extremepsi.org/gallery/albums/86-AMC-Eagle/amc.jpg

$660, then spend the rest on hookers and booze.

HOT SHIT!!!!!:stare

[lasttimearound]

fuck, its even hotter now. good job bro.

[-stew-]

Your telling me you couldnt google something?Or join a site thats about auto x?



Yeah. OP should join corner-carvers.net. I bet he doesn't last three poasts.

[TheRX7Project]

dd+autox year round
:rolf

Fast. Reliable. Cheap.

Pick 2.

[michelle]

Yeah. OP should join corner-carvers.net. I bet he doesn't last three poasts.

Agreed!

[-stew-]

Well they don't autox in the winter anyways so there is no need for any of that.

To be perfectly honest you would probably do best with a FWD honda with winter tires for the winter time and some autox tires in the summer. Nice and reliable, cheap to modify and maintain and handle well. I also think they would be more competitive in their class then the RS or TSi.

Seeing as he has a budget in mind I don't think he's intersted in being competative. For me I'd be searching for a GTi, Prelude, Integra, RX7, 240, yada yada yada, to serve dd/ax dutys for under four stacks. A foxbody with a stock drive line and upgraded chassis might not be bad. But what ever you do, being competative on a low budget prolly aint gonna happen.

[Al]

oh and also the audi a4 1.8t but any repairs will be expensive!!!

Do not touch the 1.8t. If you buy an Audi, buy the V6 or get an A6 with the 4.2. Those cars get cheap young.

[CarbonRX]

civics are gay, end of story.
and i got a shit load of info(i googled the cars mentioned) on some cool cars i didnt even know existed by making this thread. like the all trac celica, i really like that car.
i will not be autocrossing in winter... autox summer, dd year round, and have something fun in winter.

[Al]

Do you really need AWD?

They are fun for the 6 +/-2 days of snowy roads per year, but you can also get snow tires on any 2wd and do just as well.

[CarbonRX]

Seeing as he has a budget in mind I don't think he's intersted in being competative. For me I'd be searching for a GTi, Prelude, Integra, RX7, 240, yada yada yada, to serve dd/ax dutys for under four stacks. A foxbody with a stock drive line and upgraded chassis might not be bad. But what ever you do, being competative on a low budget prolly aint gonna happen.

its for fun, i wanted a car i could throw some coilovers on and some sticky tires and have fun with. i have the rx7 but its a turbo and i think that autox would be too much of a bitch with that car due to how easy it is to get sideways(i would rather spend the money it would take to make it handle corners well enough for autox on power mods), i think it would be more at home on an actual track. now if it was a non turbo that would be a different story but i would rather have something else different and rare.

[WhatsADSM]

its for fun, i wanted a car i could throw some coilovers on and some sticky tires and have fun with. i have the rx7 but its a turbo and i think that autox would be too much of a bitch with that car due to how easy it is to get sideways(i would rather spend the money it would take to make it handle corners well enough for autox on power mods), i think it would be more at home on an actual track. now if it was a non turbo that would be a different story but i would rather have something else different and rare.

First off I gotta tell ya anyone that makes blanket statements like civics are gay always makes me wonder.. It's only a matter of time before a well done civic puts ur rx7 in it's place.

In any case I still think a FWD Honda (maybe not a civic if you are that repulsed by them) is probably your best bet. Since it is your DD I would really value the reliability most of all since you all ready have a fun car. Plus just as you said it is pretty easy yo spend a little cash on a Honda and end up with a car that is well setup for an auto x, again all while being reliable. Maybe a prelude? Those are kind of rare.

[hrsp]

there is a tsi on cl right now for 2k...

[hrsp]

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/1619536619.html

there go buy it have 2k+for mods!

[hrsp]

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/1619053744.html

or this for a diff car....

[Silver86]

civics are gay, end of story.


holy crap :rolf


so wait... you said you would rather spend money on power mods on the 7 rather than make it corner better... did i get that right? but the car is already too powerful for you since you said its easy to kick out the rear end... :confused

me thinks you should first learn how to drive the car and learn how to handle the power it does have before throwing more at it...

[TheRX7Project]

Damn RX7 owne.... oh, wait.

[CarbonRX]

yeah once the turbo kicks in. you do not have a turbo so you don't have that problem:rolleyes: i had a gxl back about 2 years ago and that would be much better to autox with due to the much more stable powerband.
if i did use my turbo rx7 i would have to baby the throttle in and coming out of the corners so it doesn't lose traction and kick sideways once the turbo starts to spool...
i know how to drive my own car.

[WhatsADSM]

yeah once the turbo kicks in. you do not have a turbo so you don't have that problem:rolleyes: i had a gxl back about 2 years ago and that would be much better to autox with due to the much more stable powerband.
if i did use my turbo rx7 i would have to baby the throttle in and coming out of the corners so it doesn't lose traction and kick sideways once the turbo starts to spool...
i know how to drive my own car.

Everyone needs to baby the throttle to autox. :durr You can't just go out there and mat the throttle to the floor everywhere you go. Hell even my wife's 4-cylinder accord couldn't do that.

FWIW I have seen people auto-x in cars with double (maybe even triple) the horsepower of a turbo FC. It's all about the driver (and vehicle setup). There really shouldn't be anything preventing you from using the RX7 to autocross.

[FoxStang]

if i did use my turbo rx7 i would have to baby the throttle in and coming out of the corners so it doesn't lose traction and kick sideways once the turbo starts to spool...


I think this is called knowing how to drive...
If you want to go WOT all the time, you might want to look into drag.

[Inspector13]

Everyone needs to baby the throttle to autox. :durr You can't just go out there and mat the throttle to the floor everywhere you go. Hell even my wife's 4-cylinder accord couldn't do that.

FWIW I have seen people auto-x in cars with double (maybe even triple) the horsepower of a turbo FC. It's all about the driver (and vehicle setup). There really shouldn't be anything preventing you from using the RX7 to autocross.



He's right. Everyone needs to baby the throttle in AutoX. I know a few guys that run it and non can really go WOT and if they can it's only for a second or two tops anyways. There is a nice mix of cars they have too from AWD Evo's & STi's, to FWD Civic's, Nissan's, and Focus's, and RWD Miata's and Mustang's. Even a LS1 powered Rx7 that runs on race tires.

Personally I'd say just have some fun in your Rx7. It's all about fun anyways. But if your adamant on getting a different car a cheap DD/AutoX car would probably end up being either a Civic or a Focus. Both can be had for cheap, both are quite reliable, and both have a large aftermarket. However neither are fast.

[TheRX7Project]

Escorts are damn good (and really effing cheap) Auto-X cars too. If you want something extra cheap that can be made to handle, get an Escort. Maybe even look for a ZX2-SR.

[That_Guy]

Escorts are damn good (and really effing cheap) Auto-X cars too. If you want something extra cheap that can be made to handle, get an Escort. Maybe even look for a ZX2-SR.
i watched a zx2 dominate one weekend and a very classy well built civic came in second. i believe it was a newer white si hatch...

[That_Guy]

yeah once the turbo kicks in. you do not have a turbo so you don't have that problem:rolleyes: i had a gxl back about 2 years ago and that would be much better to autox with due to the much more stable powerband.
if i did use my turbo rx7 i would have to baby the throttle in and coming out of the corners so it doesn't lose traction and kick sideways once the turbo starts to spool...
i know how to drive my own car.


spoolin eh...

[Myles]

Wait, so a turbo 2 is too powerful for you?

Oh this is rich.

[SSLEVO]

Wait, so a turbo 2 is too powerful for you?

Oh this is rich.

It has to be, race seats are going in soon! :rolf I live my life a quarter mile... oh wait, that was a 3rd gen.

[CarbonRX]

spoolin eh...
yes i believe base cobalts don't come with turbos so ik its a spacey concept and all but google goes a long way.

not trying to go wot through the corners, i know thats really difficult on a small little autox track. point is that in autox most corners are taken in second gear, and in 2nd gear in a turbo rx7 once the car hits full spool about 3000 rpm the car needs to be pretty fucking straight IE like 90% through the corner, or it will start to lose rear traction and i will get sideways, losing seconds off my lap time. yes i could baby the throttle but that would slow me down just as much through the corners.
i want an awd because i want a car that i can hit the apex of a corner and immediately hammer back on it as i am still taking the turn, maybe a little bit of heel-toe practice. i realize i could corner and auto-x just as well with a fwd, but fwd sucks, torque steer sucks, grocery getters and economy cars are all fwd, noone races lemans, jgtc,dtm, nascar, f1 with fwd...
i also want awd so i can have a nice winter car to drive, sure argue that a fwd with some snow tires is just as good, but thats bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyrI_tg9iSQ&feature=player_embedded
NO fwd with snow tires will get through that.

now for faggety fuck myles and his devoted cock gobbling followers with thier opinions, which will no doubt have nothing to do with an awd car for under 4k. just a bunch of immature asshole comments that they feel they are entitled to because they have been on this forum longer.

[lordairgtar]

In before the lock

[-stew-]

Have you two girls been dating long?

[CarbonRX]

all i have had to do after everyone of my posts is defend myself since i was looking for a fabricator to do some work for 25 less than what one guy qouted, and all the "professionals" chimed in with thier opinions not even knowing what the job entailed.
i joined this forum because i thought it would be cool to get to know someguys that have good taste in cars, not all the dumb ricers you see driving around all over. i have gotten a very different experience and i will probably be banned now but i dont really care anymore either way. i have not gone out of my way to start shit, but at the same time not gonna bite my tongue when attacked.
as far as what happens between me and nate (that guy), i will not bring any drama onto the forums, like he has attempted to.

consider this my peace if i am banned, see everyone on the streets instead.

[CarbonRX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxsY4lEGRBI
haha if you cant make fun of your own car who's can you make fun of. classic!

[Myles]

ahahahahahahah

I am pretty sure you have set yourself up for all the flak you have been given. Your general lack of knowledge is highly entertaining.

[SSLEVO]

How many ricers run 10's or faster? I'm not saying i do but a lot of these guys telling you $125 is a good price do. At that point you shut your mouth and pay the money. Hell i don't do fab work for a living but i am a manufacturing engineer, your numbers you argued were way off for any shop. Then you continued to tell all of said people they are wrong, i wonder why people don't like you...

[hrsp]

So is the other project down...id like to see pics of it...

and goodluck with your next project...

[WhatsADSM]

yes i believe base cobalts don't come with turbos so ik its a spacey concept and all but google goes a long way.

not trying to go wot through the corners, i know thats really difficult on a small little autox track. point is that in autox most corners are taken in second gear, and in 2nd gear in a turbo rx7 once the car hits full spool about 3000 rpm the car needs to be pretty fucking straight IE like 90% through the corner, or it will start to lose rear traction and i will get sideways, losing seconds off my lap time. yes i could baby the throttle but that would slow me down just as much through the corners.
i want an awd because i want a car that i can hit the apex of a corner and immediately hammer back on it as i am still taking the turn, maybe a little bit of heel-toe practice. i realize i could corner and auto-x just as well with a fwd, but fwd sucks, torque steer sucks, grocery getters and economy cars are all fwd, noone races lemans, jgtc,dtm, nascar, f1 with fwd...
i also want awd so i can have a nice winter car to drive, sure argue that a fwd with some snow tires is just as good, but thats bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyrI_tg9iSQ&feature=player_embedded
NO fwd with snow tires will get through that.

now for faggety fuck myles and his devoted cock gobbling followers with thier opinions, which will no doubt have nothing to do with an awd car for under 4k. just a bunch of immature asshole comments that they feel they are entitled to because they have been on this forum longer.

Dude, I don't even know where to start. You have pretty much let everyone know (on your own) that you don't know what you are talking about.

There is nothing wrong with taking a weak ass, close to stock, turbo II to an auto-x. First off the thing doesn't have that much power, second it hardly makes any torque , and 3rd of all it is extremely well balanced and predictable. People have been auto crossing with RX7s for years and years and years and they do extremely well. PERIOD. Any competent driver can take a TII and push it around an auto-x course faster than an AWD TSi or RS. Again I have seen people with 500+ hp cars at miller park... But then again what would they know. They would probably be faster with a 200hp AWD TSi :durr

While I have no problem with people with a lack of automotive knowledge (everyone has to start out somewhere, we were all in that position)... what does bother me is when those people ask a question and get a response they don't like and argue about how everyone else is wrong. If you didn't want to hear our opinions then don't bother posting.

Ultimately it is your money and you are free to do whatever you so choose with it. So do whatever makes you happy.
Just don't be surprised if someone with a $2000 civic whips down on you an auto-x while still being a better DD.

[BR3W CITY]

I had a TII for a while, and although it was extremely fun, at ~170hp it wasn't exactly a beast. That car handles GREAT tho, its just fine for autocross.

If you want awd for a daily or just to have it, you can probably find an older a4 quattro for just under that.

[xxsn0blindxx]

While I have no problem with people with a lack of automotive knowledge (everyone has to start out somewhere, we were all in that position)... what does bother me is when those people ask a question and get a response they don't like and argue about how everyone else is wrong. If you didn't want to hear our opinions then don't bother posting.

And this right here is 100% of the reason CarbonRX is not having such a good start on this board. The people on the board are generally trying to help, so if you post a question they are giving honest answers to help you out. You have to be prepared for the fact that you might not get the answer you wanted, but if you think you already know everything, then why even ask in the first place? If you're just looking for the group to validate your opinion, be prepared for some to disagree with you. They aren't disagreeing just to be contrary, they're giving you their opinion (that you asked for) that is truly meant to help you make the best decision possible, even if it wasn't what you had in mind.

[That_Guy]

[QUOTE=WhatsADSM;623378]
While I have no problem with people with a lack of automotive knowledge (everyone has to start out somewhere, we were all in that position)... what does bother me is when those people ask a question and get a response they don't like and argue about how everyone else is wrong. If you didn't want to hear our opinions then don't bother posting.

QUOTE]

qft... BCM is filled with some of the area's most knowledgable car owners, shops, and dare I say semi pro drivers. All of them willing to give some sort of constructive criticism. It may not be delievered in a manner you like but you're a man you should be able to take it with a grain of salt. Like all groups razzing happens. Now I may not agree with everybody here I don't act like a 2 year old and get pissy about it. If you dont want to hear what people have to say then dont post threads asking what people have to say. Stick around a while you might learn something from these guys. Inbetween the random titties threads, bitching about obama, and firearms threads car shit happens. Bcm is a family made up of everybody elses black sheep. "specially myles" We do alot for local charitys and favores for people inside the family. Stepping on toe's won't help you here.

"btw not all civics are gay"

[TheRX7Project]

So wait, you think with AWD you don't need to slow down to turn?

[That_Guy]

So wait, you think with AWD you don't need to slow down to turn?

ken block doesnt slow down....:goof

[DRK]

1. Crushing cones is gay and hopefully you'll figure that out right away and go open tracking which is where it's at.
2. TII's are gay. PERIOD. The only thing a rotary is good for is mixing drinks.
3. If you want a good and RELIABLE awd car for under 4K, I would buy a AWD E30 5spd
4. If your young and don't know shit you need to STFU and listen when people who know what they're talking about speak or you'll be a fucking tard your whole life.

[TheRX7Project]

2. TII's are gay. PERIOD. The only thing a rotary is good for is mixing drinks.

ORLY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7F2ttEXWU

EDIT: Forgot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1782B6RZw&feature=related

Everything else I pretty much agree with.

[That_Guy]

ORLY?
[/URL]

EDIT: Forgot
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO1782B6RZw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7F2ttEXWU)

Everything else I pretty much agree with.

SPOONIN EH?:goof

[Nix]

Why do you always have a picture of a mentally challeged/downs person for your avatar?

Do you have something aginst them? This is the second time now.

If you are trying to say that you are retarded just take a picture of yourself and throw it up there.

I'd be willing to beat the guy with the Superman outfit would kick the shit out of you.

[That_Guy]

Why do you always have a picture of a mentally challeged/downs person for your avatar?

Do you have something aginst them? This is the second time now.

If you are trying to say that you are retarded just take a picture of yourself and throw it up there.

I'd be willing to beat the guy with the Superman outfit would kick the shit out of you.

i believe that was put in there by mods.

[Nix]

i believe that was put in there by mods.

Ahhh, gotchya.

That still dosen't negate the fact that he would get his ass kicked by "Superman" in his avatar. :rolf

[DRK]

ORLY?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7F2ttEXWU




sounds just like it :goof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCp-tEpVOFA