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hrsp
02-23-2010, 09:01 PM
guy says car has 69k original miles....
why would it have 4 difrent owners inless than 2 years..and 2 in 5 days?
Or am i just seeing this wrong? thanks guys!!
Thanks again to "whatsADSM" for the help!!!!

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1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula / Trans Am
Report Run Date: 2010-02-22 19:31:23.752 EST
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VIN: 2G2FV22GXW2203815
Year : 1998
Make : Pontiac
Model: Firebird Formula / Trans Am
Style/Body: Coupe 2D
Class: Sport Car - Touring
Engine: 5.7L V8 MPI
Country of Assembly: Canada
Vehicle Age: 12 year(s)
Calculated Owners: 8
Calculated Accidents: 1
Last Reported
Odometer Reading: 90,205
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Title and ProblemCheck

checks_out Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck's database for this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula / Trans Am (2G2FV22GXW2203815) shows no negative titles or other problems. When reported to AutoCheck, these events can indicate serious past damage or other significant problems, and disqualifies the vehicle for AutoCheck Buyback Protection. Check the Vehicle Use and EventCheck for reported accidents that can affect vehicle safety and value.

0 Problem(s) Reported: 15 Title/Problem areas checked:
image No abandoned title record
image No damaged title or major damage incident record
image No fire damaged title record
image No grey market title record
image No hail damage title record
image No insurance loss title or probable total loss record
image No junk or scrapped title record
image No manufacturer buyback/lemon title record
image No odometer problem title record
image No rebuilt/rebuildable title record
image No salvage title or salvage auction record
image No water damaged title record
image No NHTSA crash test record
image No frame damage record
image No recycling facility record
OdometerCheck

checks_out Your vehicle checks out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula / Trans Am (2G2FV22GXW2203815) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.
0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
image 2,050 12/19/1997
image 26,649 06/02/1999
image 26,650 06/16/1999
image 26,650 06/16/1999
image 26,650 01/27/2000
image 39,180 05/21/2001
image 50,635 12/28/2001
image 90,205 08/01/2007
Vehicle Use and EventCheck

image Information Reported! AutoCheck shows additional vehicle uses or events reported to AutoCheck for this 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula / Trans Am (2G2FV22GXW2203815). This includes reported vehicle uses such as rental or lease, and events such as whether the vehicle has been reported to have had a loan/lien or duplicate title issued. Other events show if the vehicle has a reported accident and how many calculated accidents or if it has been reported stolen or repossessed. It is recommended to have pre-owned vehicles inspected by a third party prior to purchase.
1 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
image Fleet, rental and/or lease use record(s)
image No taxi use record
image No police use record
image No government use record
image No livery use record
image No driver education record
2 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
image 1 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
image No corrected title record
image No duplicate title record
image No emission/safety inspection record
image Loan/Lien record(s)
image No fire damage incident record
image No repossessed record
image No theft record
image No storm area registration/title record
Full History

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Report Run Date: 2010-02-22 19:31:23.752 EST

Vehicle: 1998 Pontiac Firebird Formula / Trans Am (2G2FV22GXW2203815)
Event Date Event Location Odometer Reading Data Source Event Detail
12/19/1997 CROWN POINT, IN
2,050
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:97036235039) (Lien Reported)
12/19/1997 CROWN POINT, IN
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/11/1998 CROWN POINT, IN
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/02/1999 IN
26,649
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:99160104021)
06/16/1999 CENTRAL REGION
26,650
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
06/16/1999 MIDWEST REGION
26,650
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE
01/27/2000 WI
26,650
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
02/05/2000 APPLETON, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0004191062)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/19/2000 APPLETON, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
05/21/2001 LARSEN, WI
39,180
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:01144BGD11)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/28/2001 WI
50,635
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
01/02/2002 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:02003UDD03)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL (Lien Reported)
08/06/2002 WI
Accident Source COLLISION WITH A FIXED OBJECT (TREE) (Case #:020806084)
12/30/2002 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/08/2003 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/29/2004 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/30/2005 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/29/2006 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/01/2007 DENMARK, WI
90,205
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:07213F60156)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/03/2008 DENMARK, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:08308F80190)
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
11/06/2008 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:08311F10108)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
10/07/2009 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:09280FS0036)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
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Fleet, Rental and/or Lease Use Vehicle Use and EventCheck The vehicle has been reported as used as a fleet, rental and/or lease vehicle.


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Waver
02-23-2010, 09:40 PM
12/19/1997 CROWN POINT, IN
2,050
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:97036235039) (Lien Reported)
12/19/1997 CROWN POINT, IN
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/11/1998 CROWN POINT, IN
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/02/1999 IN
26,649end of lease. In this case who ever issued the lease owned the vehicle.

Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:99160104021) New title was issued to be sold at auction. Indiana I believe is a title holding state. So for the owner of the lease to sell it, they have to get a new title issued to show that the leasse is no longer an interested party.


06/16/1999 CENTRAL REGION
26,650
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
06/16/1999 MIDWEST REGION
26,650
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE
01/27/2000 WI
26,650
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
02/05/2000 APPLETON, WI Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:0004191062)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/19/2000 APPLETON, WI 2nd owner took posession

Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
05/21/2001 LARSEN, WI
39,180
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:01144BGD11)2nd owner moved more than likelyand got the title updated, thus showing a new title number/new owner. However it is still the same person


REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/28/2001 WI 50,635
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
01/02/2002 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:02003UDD03)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL (Lien Reported)sold and third person took possession

08/06/2002 WI
Accident Source COLLISION WITH A FIXED OBJECT (TREE) (Case #:020806084)
12/30/2002 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/08/2003 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/29/2004 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/30/2005 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/29/2006 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/01/2007 DENMARK, WI
90,205
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:07213F60156)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWALThe owner moved and got the title updated. Oh and by the way, the car has more than 67,000 miles on it....as the bolded part says it had much more than that.

11/03/2008 DENMARK, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:08308F80190)
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT Title must of been lost or something so a new one was issued

11/06/2008 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:08311F10108)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT 4th new owner

10/07/2009 GREEN BAY, WI
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:09280FS0036)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
5th owner


Now here is the disclamer, some of the stuff is easier to figure out........when the 3rd owner takes posession is where likely senarios play out in me trying to figure this out.....But I would stay away from this car, since there seems to be an issue of rollback or he is selling you a bill of goods.


hope this helps a little bit

Russ Jerome
02-23-2010, 09:50 PM
All the new owners drove it and decided rattle trap F-bodies are not fun :)

hrsp
02-23-2010, 10:01 PM
thanks alot nutwaver....i wont be getting it...

Slow Joe
02-23-2010, 10:11 PM
Yeah, I'd pass on this one. There is definately a mileage discrepancy.

On my Mach 1, it showed 4 owners on an Auto Check, when it was a 3 owner car. Carfax showed it correct as a 3 owner car. Sometimes Auto Check thinks that a title being issued (even if it's actually a replacement) is a new owner.

On a car I was looking at, Auto Check showed "Collision Repair Performed" twice without showing the vehicle being in an accident. When I pulled a Carfax I found out that the first time was "Factory Scheduled Maintinence" and the second time was "Fuel System Serviced"

Personally I'm a fan of Carfax, and think it's worth the money if you're seriously intersted in the car.

GTSLOW
02-23-2010, 10:35 PM
It's a 98 anyways. Although I'm guessing it's dirt cheap?

hrsp
02-23-2010, 10:41 PM
It's a 98 anyways. Although I'm guessing it's dirt cheap?

5k...not like there isnt a ton of them to be had...

GTSLOW
02-23-2010, 11:54 PM
Link/pics? Oh and I'm sure you could find a much better one for 5k. At least one with less issues

Waver
02-24-2010, 12:37 PM
I wouldnt even be thinking twice about this car after seeing the history. If the mileage is more than what the owner is claiming or what the odometer reads, then Iwould walk far away from it. Plus it hit a tree..........not a good sign

WhatsADSM
02-24-2010, 12:41 PM
Yea sounds real real questionable if the autocheck shows the mileage as much higher than what owner is saying it has. Sounds like a classic case of odometer rollback.

1320PNY
02-24-2010, 01:41 PM
Supposedly this car hit a tree. What would possess you to buy a unibody that hit a tree? You can get a salvage title car for $3k. If your just going to keep it and run it 'till it dies, what's the difference?

BAD LS1
02-24-2010, 01:46 PM
God these cars get raped as bad as S10 pickups...

hrsp
02-24-2010, 02:12 PM
Supposedly this car hit a tree. What would possess you to buy a unibody that hit a tree? You can get a salvage title car for $3k. If your just going to keep it and run it 'till it dies, what's the difference?

when i was considering it i didnt know it hit a tree...after the report i knew i wasnt going to buy it....

07ROUSHSTG3
02-24-2010, 02:18 PM
the numerous owners could mean that it has seen an auction or two.

lotsals1
02-24-2010, 09:07 PM
LOL if indeed it has been through auction after auction it would also mean that it has be "used car lotted " a few times.
a lot of used car lots get them from auction "do shitty autobody paint job" then take it back to the auction and re-sell it . I just last night saw a buddy do a 95-96ish Imp. SS -did a hack scuff and paint job on it to get it back to the auction it just came from:stare It was a shame it was black with tan leather.---The work done last night will be flaking off by august:rolleyes:

Slow Joe
02-25-2010, 08:44 AM
the numerous owners could mean that it has seen an auction or two.

Most likely not, it would say that it was "sold at auction" Not announce a new owner.

Plus if it's a WI car at this point, they don't need to be retitled once they reach the dealership. You should know that.