Potowatomi

[Red97GTP]

So last night I went to Potowatomi for a little while to try my luck at blackjack. I was down there for about an hour and a half. There were three people at the table, me, my cousin, and some other guy. A new guy takes a seat to my left. Well, I'm dealt a 15. The dealer was showing I believe a 7. I decided to stay at 15. The new guy on my left was showing a 14. He hit, and ended up getting a 10, so he busted. He left the table after busting and he blamed it on me! He was actually pissed that I didn't hit and bust and that he did. Seriously?! That's the fucking game! It's all about luck and the chances you take! I still ended up losing because the dealer had a 17 anyways, but still, is it really necessary to actually say something about it? WTF?

Oh, and I walked away $50 bucks up, too!

Brian

[Neal Steffek]

People down there are full retards. Do what you want and F everyone else.

[Prince Valiant]

This is one of the things I despise about blackjack...the "group" approach of it.

I can see where the guy would be upset though (though it's part of the game) since most players take a hit on 16 or less, since the dealer has to stand at 17 or greater, meaning, the only way you would win if you had a 16 or less as you did, is if the dealer bust...which is a bad bet to make since more often than not, they don't.

[animal]

It really gets me going when people think they're entitled to tell me how to play just because they're at the same table. I'll hit a 19 on a dealer 5 if I feel like it, so they can fuck right off unless they start buying me in each hand.

[Korndogg]

I went off on a guy down there because he was telling me how to play. The dealer had to tell me to stop swearing lol. The casino up north is so much nicer. People and dealers are nice and just shoot the shit with you. The dealers will even help you out if your new at a game

[Karps TA]

You should have hit. Unless you were counting cards sitting on that was dumb.

Depending on the table min I would have been pissed as well. If you were on anything under a $25 table, which it's sounds like you were, then I let that kind of stuff slide because it's usually noobs learning how to play.

But if you were at a $25 or higher table, people better be playing the correct strategy. You may have small victories playing "gut" bets, but in the end the strategy works long term. Unless again you're counting cards. Which is awfully difficult on multidecks.

Playing the correct strategy helps EVERYONE on the table.

[0TransAm0]

last time i went to play blackjack i had a good time. people at the table were nice and didn't say a thing. hell they were buying me drinks. but we were all winning.... :) i put $100 chip down on a hand just for the hell of it. (i was up $300) and i got two 10's so i split them hit 21 on one hand and had a 17 on the other and the dealer busted.. after that hand i got up and walked away. haven't been back since. but Ive been getting the itch to play...

[jbiscuit]

blackjack at potowatomi is like watching the special olympics only with the special olympics everyone is a winner.

[Red97GTP]

You should have hit. Unless you were counting cards sitting on that was dumb.

Depending on the table min I would have been pissed as well. If you were on anything under a $25 table, which it's sounds like you were, then I let that kind of stuff slide because it's usually noobs learning how to play.

But if you were at a $25 or higher table, people better be playing the correct strategy. You may have small victories playing "gut" bets, but in the end the strategy works long term. Unless again you're counting cards. Which is awfully difficult on multidecks.

Playing the correct strategy helps EVERYONE on the table.

I was playing on a $10 table. And yeah, I did have the "gut feeling." However, usually if I go by my instincts, I end up doing pretty well. I can honestly say that I've never left a blackjack table down, ever. Now, I've only know how to play the game a couple of years, and have only sat down at may 12 different tables, but still. Either way, I still walked away with $50 more in my pocket than what I came with, so it's a win win for me.

[HP ADDICT]

You should have hit. Unless you were counting cards sitting on that was dumb.

Depending on the table min I would have been pissed as well. If you were on anything under a $25 table, which it's sounds like you were, then I let that kind of stuff slide because it's usually noobs learning how to play.

But if you were at a $25 or higher table, people better be playing the correct strategy. You may have small victories playing "gut" bets, but in the end the strategy works long term. Unless again you're counting cards. Which is awfully difficult on multidecks.

Playing the correct strategy helps EVERYONE on the table.

The helping other people is BS. He could have just as easily passed on a 5 and the other guy could have won. Yes it was the wrong call but your card is your card.

[Karps TA]

I hate gambling at Pot myself. People playing $5 BJ like they are fucking James Bond in Casino Royale or some shit. Meanwhile they smell like they just shit their pants.

For the most part I would never say shit to anyone, I'd just get up and leave the table after 2-3 "dumb" hands and go sit somewhere else. I'm the kind of person who prefers even to sit in the 3rd base spot just so I "feel" like I have control of the table. That's a pretty key spot on the table IMO and a person playing it right there can help everyone win.

[Karps TA]

The helping other people is BS. He could have just as easily passed on a 5 and the other guy could have won. Yes it was the wrong call but your card is your card.

No. People all playing the correct strategy helps bust the dealer in the long run. BJ isn't instinct. It's math and statistics.

Sit at a table once with jackasses hitting on the wrong card all night long and see how well you do when they are taking bust cards on stupid hits. It can and will cost other peoples money.

[HP ADDICT]

Here from BJ myths debunked:
Myth #2: That third base player is killing me.

The Reason: The dealer shows a weak 5 upcard and all the players including yourself make the right play and stand on all stiff totals. The third baseman, who is the last player to act before the dealer, ponders whether to hit or stand on 16. He hits, the dealer gives him a picture card, and then the dealer draws a 6 to her 15 for a 21, beating everyone. Oh, how you would like to strangle the third base player. If the dummy would have stood like he was supposed to, the dealer would have gotten the picture card instead and broke and everyone would have won. Don't tell me bad players don't effect whether or not I win or lose.

The Truth: It's absolutely true that dumb plays made by dumb players can effect the outcome of a hand for everyone else. But it has been proven mathematically that it is just as likely that a dumb play could result in the entire table winning. The player in the above example could have just as easily gotten the 6, leaving the picture card for the dealer to bust. While dumb plays can upset smart players, it has no mathematical long term effect on a player's expected outcome. You always curse the stupid player that caused you to lose, but do you ever congratulate him when his stupid play causes you to win? If the terrible play of others effects you emotionally so that you start to make playing mistakes, then my advise is to leave the table and play elsewhere.

[HP ADDICT]

Oh and yes I have played plenty of blackjack in my life!

[Karps TA]

Again read what I wrote I "feel" that I have better control of the table at that posiition. I know that isn't true.

And I went to college at UNLV and studied Hotel and Casino mangement. I know what the odds are and the house edge. And I know how correct strategy in the long run is the players best bet. That's all I'm saying.

I've walked past a roulette table and put $50 on 11 black and won. Doesn't mean I think that's a great strategy and that I should do that everytime.

[HP ADDICT]

Great just stating a proven fact a dumb player who makes the wrong move has no actual impact on you or any other player. People who feel that way either don't understand the actual math or are just frustrated in a loss.

[Reverend Cooper]

fuck black jack,play the spinning wheel thats where its at.

[Neal Steffek]

fuck black jack,play the spinning wheel thats where its at.

Best odds of winning! :rolf

[88Nightmare]

a few weeks ago at poto I was at a $10 blackjack table. Dealer showed a 6 (bust card). I had 13 and stayed. I was sitting at the shoe position. Player to my left had a 14 and stayed. player to her left had an Ace and a 4. She hit the table and got a 3. She fuckin hit the table again and got a 9. The 3 other players all stayed. Dealer flipped the cards and revealed a face card to go with her six. Next card she drew was a 5.... Now I ask.... after the ace lady already had 17... why the FUCK would you hit the table again with a bust card showing?

Which also reminds me of one evening at a $10 table... dealer had a bust card showing. One guy to my left had an Ace and a 9. Fairly strong hand. He doubled down on it and got another 9. Needless to say, he was the only winner that hand....

[TheRX7Project]

You should have hit. Unless you were counting cards sitting on that was dumb.

Depending on the table min I would have been pissed as well. If you were on anything under a $25 table, which it's sounds like you were, then I let that kind of stuff slide because it's usually noobs learning how to play.

But if you were at a $25 or higher table, people better be playing the correct strategy. You may have small victories playing "gut" bets, but in the end the strategy works long term. Unless again you're counting cards. Which is awfully difficult on multidecks.

Playing the correct strategy helps EVERYONE on the table.

Fuck everyone else at the table. They didn't buy my chips, they can kiss my ass with what I do with them. Maybe we should all tell you what to do with your car, or what color to paint your living room, and get pissed at you if you don't do what we expect?

When I go to Potowatami, I go to win MYSELF money. Unless I am there with friends, I could give a fuck less how anyone else does.

[Karps TA]

You're missing my point. If you had your choice to play your money on 2 tables. 1 with people playing correct strategy, 1 with people doing crazy shit. I'm guessing most sane people will pick the table with people playing the right way. If everyone is playing the right way, then everyone's odd are better at winning.

I personally like playing with people who are all having a good time and winning. I've sat at a table for 5 hours playing with a great group of people all winning and having fun. Complete strangers cheering each other on for wins.

People can do whatever they want. I'm just explaining why some people might get pissy. But IMO playing under $25 a hand BJ is just playing for fun anyways. Great way to sit and drink for free. It's just too much work to try and win money playing under that. I like my odds of winning 4 hands better then winning 10 or 20 hands.

[HP ADDICT]

[QUOTE=Karps TA;619565] If everyone is playing the right way, then everyone's odd are better at winning.QUOTE]

False. You may feel that way but a card is a card the person who makes the wrong decision has just as much chance of helping you win as losing. They cannot change your odds its a proven fact.:devil

[Got Boost]

fuck black jack,play the spinning wheel thats where its at.Craps is the game....

[That_Guy]

Ihe only thing at the casino i like to play is the nickel slotts and poker... I was at potowatomi last month and walked out 300 dollars richer.. that was playing "nickel slutts"

I like doing the low buy in poker thats always fun. On my 21's birthday I threw down a full house and walked out 600 ahead. After I won that hand I got up and cashed out everybody at that table started bitching about it. But when I'm ahead I know when to call it quits. "thats a months worth of bills ill take that!"

i don't give a shit if your my bestfriend we hit the tables and you are between me and my money ill throw your ass under the bus. of course ill buy a beer after the fact.

[PB86MCSS]

I rarely ever played blackjack at Poto but surprised that only one guy in this thread so far plays with good table etiquette. If people are getting pissed at you chances are you are making a dumb play.

[88Nightmare]

I rarely ever played blackjack at Poto but surprised that only one guy in this thread so far plays with good table etiquette. If people are getting pissed at you chances are you are making a dumb play.

who is the one person that plays with good table etiquette? I try to play by the book. I always hit my 16's, I stay on bust cards when I have 12 or higher.... But then again, not everyone hits on 16's. Basically, if you are going to hit a 16, then you should ALWAYS hit 16's. If you stay on 16's, then you should ALWAYS stay on 16's. Consistency in your game play always seems to play in my favor, unless of course its just a bad shoe. If I lose 3 hands in a row, I'm gone and find another table, or I sit out till the next shoe.

[mrz28M6]

88nightmare you've hit the nail on the head completely. having worked there as a dealer and played there for some time. consistency is the one thing that you dont see too often at that dump.

[Got Boost]

88nightmare you've hit the nail on the head completely. having worked there as a dealer and played there for some time. consistency is the one thing that you dont see too often at that dump.
+1 on being consistant ,,,, and the hole LOL

[Got Boost]

88nightmare you've hit the nail on the head completely. having worked there as a dealer and played there for some time. consistency is the one thing that you dont see too often at that dump.+1 on being consistant ,, and the pot being a hole