New Toy....

[Crawlin]

I've wanted one of these for awhile. After researching just had to make sure to get the right generation as the earlier ones had some issues. Couple of cool mods to do to it as well. Nothing big $ cause it's still just a .22 :) Since they are not making them anymore, I figured it would be cool to pick one up and found a great deal on it with some extras. I'm not the best shooter in the world. I'm just starting to have fun, so you can laugh at my shooting all you want, but I had a ton of fun :) haha

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00713.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00714.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00715.jpg

No adjustments, no sighting in, just putting the stock on and running through some rounds

50yd. Standing
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00712.jpg

25yd Standing
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00711.jpg

25yd Rapid Fire
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00710.jpg

50yd Kneeling at indoor bench
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00709.jpg

Would be nice once I get more accustomed to it and get it sighted in better. Has rear adjustable sight.

Couple options I'm gonna look into:
http://www.mygsg5.com/images/GSG-5RetractableStockwithtext.JPG
$50

Optic Mount
http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/product/img/G-03-031-L.jpg
$20

Red Dot
http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/product/img/gp-rdsight-l.jpg
$33

Just some cheap fun toy. It's absolutely the best money I've spent. And it only cost like $10 to put 200 rounds through it, haha.

[moels]

I need to get something like that, looks like alot of fun.

[Crawlin]

Seriously, I couldn't stop smiling. Plus it was cool that I can shoot it inside. Lot of people were interested to see what it was and how it shot when I was shooting. I just couldn't stop smiling, haha. Each mag is 22rd capacity so even if you take time it takes awhile to empty it.

I'll probably go tomorrow to shoot it too just cause it's so damn cheap, haha.

The only thing was I started shooting it after about 100rds through the XD9, so that might be a reason why alot of the shots are low, just couldn't hold it up anymore, haha.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

what is it? i am not a gun person really. what brand? model?

[Crawlin]

(American Tactical Imports / German Sport Guns)
ATI/GSG-5 SD. The sd is the one with the rubber front foregrip area and the larger fake suppressor on it. It's the one I wanted. The other ones look like this:

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/members/generalsumter-albums-gen-sumter-s-pics-picture1578-ati-gsg-5-mp5-clone-chambered-22lr.jpg

[moels]

Shooting that .22 would make me look like this:

http://pictureisunrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/wtf-pics-tank-baby.jpg

Hahaha

[Lash]

Where is there an indoor 50 yard range?

[Crawlin]

i could be wrong.

i was indoor at badger and that's what someone told me it was. maybe i misheard him.

there are two lines on the ground there. maybe it's 50ft and 100ft and not yards? i know the first line is way past what 2.5 basketball hoops would be.

can someone help me out?

[Rocket Power]

Nice! :banana

[HITMAN]

i could be wrong.

i was indoor at badger and that's what someone told me it was. maybe i misheard him.

there are two lines on the ground there. maybe it's 50ft and 100ft and not yards? i know the first line is way past what 2.5 basketball hoops would be.

can someone help me out?

Most indoor ranges are divided into three different distances: 7 yards, 15 yards, and 25 yards. I don't believe Badger is any different. (shrugs)

[Crawlin]

I'm going back today so I'll ask one of the workers instead of just the guy shooting next to me.

Thanks for the info though!

[Lash]

Badger is 25 yards.

[Crawlin]

fun fun, guy was wrong. oh well, still was fucking fun as hell, haha

[Lash]

fun fun, guy was wrong. oh well, still was fucking fun as hell, haha

Yeah.... I think there is a [50] sign at badger. Thats the 50' mark.

So how many thugs were there shooting next to you...lol?



Where did you get the gun at and how much$?

[Crawlin]

Honestly, no thugs shooting. Plenty of people that LOOKED the part IN the showroom, but none shooting. Just an older gentleman shooting, as well as a father/son, and then two guys my age(late 20's looking)

Everytime I've been there, there hasn't been an issue with that type of shooting.

[Coops Brother]

How much?

[Russ Jerome]

I've got my S&W 15-22 trigger just a tad over 2# pull, between the reseating of the barrel and a new Nikon scope I've been doing major damage to squirels out to 50+ yards!
http://sites.google.com/site/russjerome/_/rsrc/1263366638297/Home/IMG_3918.JPG?height=270&width=400


Hard to beat 22's for fun, I'd rather punch cans at 40yards with it than 200 yard cans with a loud centerfire.

[LIL EVO]

Nice!

http://lilevo.com/guns/gsg/gsg2sm.jpg

[Crawlin]

That's awesome russ.

J, is that yours? I'd love a pistol model too.

Bought the G&G Rail for it tonight after shooting again.

Also bought this from the dunham's on hwy100 since it was a display model. Can't go wrong for $20 at this point

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/lgprod/SCP-270.jpg

[LIL EVO]

Yup, I got it last spring.

It's pretty fun to shoot! And cheap

[Crawlin]

Sorry, missed the price thing...

Most online places are $479ish +ship/ffl

This version was $549.99 on some of the places.

So $549 incl extra clip and soft case.

Figure the others woulda been right around that same price, and i'm kinda one of those gotta have it now guys.

Although I am seriouslydebating giong to pick up that Sig522 at Shooter's Shop for $500 only because of how much fun I'm having shooting this thing.

Only downside. The Federal "Value" Pack .22LR that was suggested on the ar15.com site is really dirty compared to the CCI I shot yesterday. I had 4 FTF's tonight. I'll get pics and show you what they round looks like.

[Russ Jerome]

Any rimfire from any manufacture will have some early FTF's, dont sweat it. I had a couple during the first 333 value pack Feds but since breaking the action in (gets loosend up) I cant remember having a single FTF or FFF with the value pack. I can actualy shoot low velocity match ammo now without a hickup.

[moels]

Fletcher's posted this on facebook today:
"Just got an M&P AR in 22LR traded in $399, save $100 off of new"

I wish I could get there this week and grab that thing as a plinker. It would make waiting til nice weather to shoot my AR-15 a little more bearable.

[PAUL G]

How much do they charge to shoot at badger

[Lash]

Any rimfire from any manufacture will have some early FTF's, dont sweat it. I had a couple during the first 333 value pack Feds but since breaking the action in (gets loosend up) I cant remember having a single FTF or FFF with the value pack. I can actualy shoot low velocity match ammo now without a hickup.

I get the same on some bulk packs..... especially the Federal 555 from Wally World.

After polishing up some of the action parts in my 10/22 I can cycle sub-sonics as fast as I can pull the trigger.

[Crawlin]

yeah, the CCI was AWESOME ammo. But we will just have to see what happens as we shoot more.

Badger is $15 to shoot pistol ammo weapons(and the .22). Everytime I've went, it was maybe 3 other people on the range, maybe 4 other lanes being used. Today it was ONLY me for the whole hour. 4pm-5pm

and just like everywhere else, like Qdoba and Cost Cutters, every 9 trips gets you a free trip.

[moels]

Where is Badger? I searched and it said Eagle, it that right?

[Lash]

Badger Gun Inc
2339 South 43rd Street, Milwaukee, WI 53219
(414) 383-0885‎

[Crawlin]

It's JUST south of Lincoln Ave. It's 43rd or Miller Park Way is also 43rd. So it's about 3 miles south of Miller Park.

I got the collapsible stock at Fletcher's and those guys were cool to talk to as well. Got Bob's card to set up shooting lessons.

[moels]

Thanks for the info guys, I may have to pop into Badger.

[Crawlin]

When you go, there might be some "interesting" customers, but no one I feared for my life around.

Thanks to Lash for the correction on the distances. There is a small line at what appears to be 7ft, but they dont like you shooting any closer than the 25ft. Then there is another line at 50, and I guess the target ALL the way back against the backstop area might be 75ft, but seems a bit short in comparison.

Anyways, here's some targets from my quick session tonight when I went to pick up the optic rail. Adjusted the rear sight and now it's pretty damn deadly(well for a .22LR, haha). Again, this is iron sights, not the optic

25ft
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00716.jpg

50ft
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00717.jpg

New Stock
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00725.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00726.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00727.jpg

New Rail
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00724.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00730.jpg

New Sightmark reflex style optic(seriously, $20, i've wasted more on stupider stuff)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00718.jpg

Multiple Reticle choices(there's 4 options total)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00721.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00722.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00733.jpg

Total Package... can't wait to shoot it
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/z28kid98/Gun%20Stuff/gsg5/DSC00735.jpg

[Crawlin]

Fletcher's posted this on facebook today:
"Just got an M&P AR in 22LR traded in $399, save $100 off of new"

I wish I could get there this week and grab that thing as a plinker. It would make waiting til nice weather to shoot my AR-15 a little more bearable.

Go get the plinker! Kids will love it too, hahaha.

[Lash]

Now I kinda want one.

What were the problems in some of the older ones?

[Lash]

When I was at Fletchers on Sunday they had a lot of AR style guns on the rack. Everything from .22 to .308

[moels]

Yeah, I should have perused what they had for sale while I was there Sunday. I will see if I can get there soon and pick one up or find one somewhere.

[Crawlin]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=253513&page=1

That's some just generic info on what was happening and what ammo works well

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=244302

Some recommended cheap mods to do, but it also shows how to tell the differences in generations.

If you wanted one, I'd wait for the show coming to the Milwaukee sport complex next weekend. A buddy went to waukesha expo one and said he saw one of these for $300. Didn't know which gen.

They come in a variety of different kinds, but January 31 is the last day they can sell them or something like that. What the dealers have is what they have, cause HK sued them so they could bring out their own MP5 replicas in .22

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=237743

Picture thread. You can get one like mine with the fatter can that's called the SD model, or you can get one with a plastic forearm area and the thinner fake silencer. That's what you'll find the most of which is why I went for the one I bought.

The guys at Badger have a couple left, but they are a bit higher on price. Shooters Shop was WAY out of line at $649 which is why I wanted the sig522 from them.

[Lash]

I think Fletchers wanted around $550 for the one they had.

[Crawlin]

I've really only found one downside....

And that is because it's SO cheap to shoot, and I've been having so much fun shooting it, my arms get SOOO tired holding the thing up. No resting it on a bench anywhere, haha. I literally can still feel it in my arms right now from the past two days. Probably at 400rds through it, give or take.


Dunhams on hwy100 has one, and it's 579 for the regular version, with the titanium upper for the anniversary edition. so it'd be the second gen for sure, but i don't like the looks of the silver, and people have said it wears off with cleaning.

[Lash]

I actually like the ann. edition. That'd be the one I'd get.


I plucked off 250 rounds out of my .40 on Sunday.............


in 40 minutes. Thats bish was HOT.

[BlackLightning]

I have been trying to find that exact one(all black) online for a few weeks and everyone only has the anniversary with titanium colored upper. I might just wait for the hk licensed one from umarex. They seem to be in the same price range as the GSG.

giant pic
http://www.onpointsupply.com/images/umarex_hk_22lr_hk416_and_hk_mp5.jpg

[Crawlin]

Badger has this one in stock I know since I saw it there. Just sucks they are so much higher than other places. Shooter's Shop had the regular one for the same price as online, but they just raised their prices on 'em to $649 and the used one to $479. And the used one is just a regular one.

I plan on hitting up that gun show next weekend, so maybe it will be there.

I did hear that H&K's are gonna be about $100 more than the GSG's. But I don't know specifics.

[LIL EVO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kho_SyeAEIQ

[Crawlin]

that's just SIIIIICK, hahahaha. I have 4 mag's so I don't need that one, haha.

[moels]

Just picked this up this afternoon and put a rail and red dot on. 500 rounds of ammo to have some fun with as well. Only problem is I can't go this weekend due to the 2 older boys being in the Dells for some confirmation thing. I will be hanging with my 10 year old all weekend.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs200.snc3/20744_306182692213_507497213_4710920_2428371_n.jpg

[Crawlin]

Hahaha, AWESOME!

Total fun! Where'd you end up picking it up from? And is it the black or the titanium anniv. edition?

Fletcher's had a collapsible stock IN STOCK and that's where I got mine instead of online ordering. I don't know if they have any left, but I know they have the folding stock left as of late last week.

[moels]

There's a gun shop over in Grafton that had it. It's the black, sorry for the crappy cell pic. I will be picking up the collapsable stock for sure, I don't think I like the folding at all.

[Crawlin]

yeah, i didn't like it either. the collapsible is alot more comfortable than the regular stock(in my opinion).

If you check out the links I think I posted on this site earlier, there's a screw kit that's supposed to make teardown alot easier.

http://www.mygsg5.com/

keep an eye on the mags. Mine are pretty bad after firing so many rounds through it, and then the top part that pushes up on the round gets hung up on the dirt/grit. They are so easy to pull apart that it makes sense to clean them at the same time you clean the gun itself.

[moels]

Thanks for the info on the mags, much appreciated. I took the stock off when I got it home and that bish was on there tight! lol. I am off tomorrow and Friday this week, so I may have to go play one of those days or both while the kids are in school. :)

[Crawlin]

no prob... it literally is like 1 minute to take them apart, so it's just routine at this part. I've had a good number of FTF's at this point, so I really did a number on the cleaning. The bolt is still pretty gritty when you manually slide it back and forth, so I'll have to get to soaking that to clean it. Just don't want to stink up the house, haha.

[BlackLightning]

did you get the gsg or classic army stock? I have a classic army retractable coming after hearing of the plastic gsg stripping the stops easily from normal use.

[Crawlin]

I bought the GSG one. I've heard ups and downs about both. The classic army one with the extension part covering the ejection port when fully collapsed, but I don't know who shoots with a fully collapsed stock anyways so it might not be that big of a deal.

It does seem a little flimsy, and i heard the classic army one is all metal(is that right?).

I'm a "want it now" kinda person, so it's hard to decide what to do and they had this in stock, haha.

[BlackLightning]

I bought the GSG one. I've heard ups and downs about both. The classic army one with the extension part covering the ejection port when fully collapsed, but I don't know who shoots with a fully collapsed stock anyways so it might not be that big of a deal.

It does seem a little flimsy, and i heard the classic army one is all metal(is that right?).

I'm a "want it now" kinda person, so it's hard to decide what to do and they had this in stock, haha.

The rails, butt cap and stuff inside there are all metal. I heard about the ejection port also and read even with it closed the brass has no problems exiting.

I am more along the lines of want it now but willing to wait if needed for a better price :thumbsup I saw some dumb bastards trying to sell the GSG's for nearly 2k because they are "discontinued collectors" guns.. :rolf


this place has the best price I could find on the classic army for anyone else looking to get one or the other.

10offsale for 10% off.
http://www.airsofttitan.com/a173m.html

[Crawlin]

yeah, $50-60 should be going rate on the stocks.

I heard about that 2k crap too. Looks like Fletcher's just advertised on Facebook theirs for $499. Gotta get the sig522 with the tax return, haha

[Goat Roper]

I was at Fletchers tonight and handled that gun, it is indeed $499

[BlackLightning]

You guys see the post on ar15 about the "silencer" on the SD models? It has been deemed an NFA item by the ATF and they are going to do a recall. I'm not sending anything in until there is some kind of official documentation though. It would suck to send it in then have them say no replacements and you are stuck with an ugly half a rifle.

[LIL EVO]

That's kind of ridiculous

[BlackLightning]

pretty much. here is the link.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=305635

here's the original thread.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=41&t=303838&page=1

[LIL EVO]

Beginning of the end I say!!

See how easy it was for the ATF to do that?

They could do that with anything!

[Crawlin]

i haven't heard a thing, and until I do, I am not gonna do anything. plausible deniability

ati needs to send a letter to teh dealers, and then the dealers need to look through their records and send the letter to the buyers of those specific models.

otherwise who is to say we knew about this or not?

[moels]

I actually just emailed my dealer about it. I guess I'd like to get it corrected if it is indeed an issue, than to get my ass in a sling a few years down the road.

[Crawlin]

find out how long the replacement will take, since the ATI guys on AR15.com haven't answered that question. most of the dealers don't know a thing it seems like.

the regular carbine models don't even have this "problem" at this point.

i'm gonna blame it on Obama as usual, haha

[moels]

Exactly Chris, I don't want to send the shroud in and wait 6 months for replacement. I want to know the turnaround time before I send it in.

I actually agree with the guys blaming H&K on this one. lol

[Crawlin]

if I'm going to jail for the "fake suppressor" being a REAL suppressor, then I'm making it a REAL suppressor, hahaha

[MurphysLaw88GT]

Beginning of the end I say!!

See how easy it was for the ATF to do that?

They could do that with anything!

Shoestring anyone... LOL

[BlackLightning]

I guess we'll see what happens a couple months from now. I am also wondering if the new ones which seem to be getting rushed will be poor quality.


I took a couple pics of mine. I got it from a shop in arizona. classic army stock, leapers red/green dot(only 25 bucks on amazon), home made charging handle buffer and NcStar rail(fit like shit and had to be modified on the underside). I haven't shot it yet.

http://www.racers-edge.org/mygsg.jpg
http://www.racers-edge.org/mygsg2.jpg

[Crawlin]

looks exactly like mine! haha, save for the red dot vs. reflex.

makes it worth so much more when you shoot it and realize the sight was only $25, hahaha. makes it that much more fun.

definitely keep it clean and oiled up for the bolt. if mine gets fired too much, it catches causing a bunch of misfeeds.

[BlackLightning]

looks exactly like mine! haha, save for the red dot vs. reflex.

makes it worth so much more when you shoot it and realize the sight was only $25, hahaha. makes it that much more fun.

definitely keep it clean and oiled up for the bolt. if mine gets fired too much, it catches causing a bunch of misfeeds.

:thumbsup

I had been looking at them for a while and didn't know people were modding them so when I saw yours I had to get one :shades.

[moels]

Reminds me, I need to order the stock for mine tonight. :)

[moels]

Update --------- I mailed my fake suppressor to ATI last Tuesday and received the replacement today. Looks identical to what I had, so I'm really not sure what the difference is. It was painless and quick, I would recommend not going through your dealer and just mailing it direct. The dealers have to mail in a certain amount of them at a time.

[Crawlin]

that's good news.

just your name, serial number and what else?

[moels]

I just included my name and address with serial # and sent it to:

ATI Exchange
100 Airpark Dr
Rochester NY 14624