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pjturkey
01-14-2010, 04:11 PM
Here's part of an article I found on the experimental Olds 455 Hemi (or pent-roof) motors. They came out around 1970 (and were featured in may 1971 Hot Rod magazine). (pasted from http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofeng.htm) almost at the bottom of the page:

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"Aluminum 2 Valve 455

The aluminum Can-Am motor you are refering to is actually an aluminum version of the pushrod 455 block and heads! The motor was used in the McKee Can-Am cars of the 60s (one of which was sponsored by the Smothers Brothers, who also sponsored a series of 442 Super Stock class drag cars in the late 60s).

The Smothers Brothers Can-Am car was actually offered for sale in the March 96 Hemmings, complete with the aluminum Olds motor for $125K. The twin-turbo injected 455 on display at the REO museum is, I believe, one of these Can-Am motors (note that it is NOT a DOHC motor).


Aluminum DOHC 4 Valve 455

There was also a Can-Am all aluminum engine which had double overhead cams and was a very serious engine; huge port area for serious breathing. The DOHC version was intended as an all-out drag and marine race engine. It was all-aluminum and used a gear drive for the cams. For a very nice article on these engines, track down a copy of the May 1971 Hot Rod.


Aluminum 2 Valve Turbo 455

The twin-turbo injected 455 on display at the REO museum is, I believe, one of the Can-Am (see "Aluminum 2 Valve 455" in this section) motors (note that it is NOT a DOHC motor).


Iron, Aluminum 2 Valve 455 Hemi (W-45)

The W-45 was an experimental engine that Olds developed to compete with the Chrysler Hemi. It was a overhead cam of some sort. The engine (pushrod version) was developed in the mid-60s for anticipated introduction in 1970, but was killed in late 1967 as a result of the coming emissions controls and the insurance industry putting the screws to muscle cars. There were some cars installed with this engine for testing.

The cast iron version (with aluminum heads) that was meant to be the production engine (W-43) has true pushrod hemi heads. The block is different from the standard ones in that the camshaft was raised higher than normal to give the proper pushrod angle to the heads and cam (which would have also had to have been different because of a different bank angle). This explains the rounded top of the timing cover.

The pushrod version had a raised cam, to improve the pushrod angle as a result of a lot of bent parts early in the development program. The block actually had a dummy camshaft in the normal position to drive the distributor and oil pump, with a separate, bolted-in cam carrier in the raised position for the real cam. The block had 4 bolt mains as well.


Iron 4 valve 455 Hemi (W-43)

There was also an engine coded W-43 in 1969 to 1970, though it was never offered as a production unit. It was a four valve per cylinder 455 CID engine. It was developed in 1969 and 1970 by John Beltz, Lloyd Gill, Joe Jones, and Frank Ball. It was rated at 500 to 550 hp at 6500 rpm with a single Rochester Quadrajet on an aluminum manifold. It was constructed with a cast iron block and heads as well as an aluminum block and heads, which shaved 75 pounds of the 455 CID production engine weight. The engine had narrow valve angles for super-efficient combustion chamber design, central spark plugs and could be adapted for chain or gear driven overhead camshafts.

The 455-inch-configuration block has 4.625-inch cylinder centers, 4.125-inch bore and 4.250-inch stroke. Making use of 3.00-inch main bearings and 2.50-inch rod journals, the engine was fitted with a specially-prepared cast crank fitted with SAE-1140 forged steel rods, forged 10.20-to-1 pistons and riding on Morraine 400 bearings. The four-bolt-main block boasts two additional 5/8 inch oil drain holes.

Topping off this unique engine is a pair of four-valve heads with 1.750-inch intake valves (SAE-8460 steel) with 22-degree stems and 1.375-inch exhausts (214-N stainless steel) with 15-degree stems. Special Stellite seats, bronze-alloy guides, o-ringed plug tubes, 14-mm spark plugs, 3/8-inch pushrods, and aluminum rocker arms complete the head treatment.


Aluminum 4 valve 455 Hemi (OW-43)

There was an experimental engine based on the W-43, coded OW-43. It was designed for road racing applications. It had the same basic configuration as the W-43, but the materials were different. The block was cast from Reynolds-356 alloy and fitted with pressed in dry steel cylinder liners for the forged 12.2 to 1 pistons. It used billet steel connecting rods and a machined forged steel crank.

The OW-43 was developed at the same time that Chevrolet released its all aluminum ZL-1 427 engine, but the Olds engine was far more advanced and exotic than the Chevrolet engine. It had a redline just under 8500 rpm, and put out 300 HP at 3000 rpm, and 600 HP at 6000 rpm. The top output recorded for this engine at the Lansing dyno facility was 700 REAL horsepower at 6800 rpm. Tests were run with both carburetion (four Weber 48-IDA two barrels) and injection (three-inch ram stacks), with injection showing the most potential over 6000 rpm"

70 cutlass 442
01-14-2010, 04:22 PM
Oldsmobile truly had some awesome R&D projects.... (no thanks to Joe Mondello) but leave it to GM to kill them off 30 some years later :/

pjturkey
01-14-2010, 04:40 PM
See this is the reason that I hate Chevy. They knew it would make way more power than their gay ZL-1 Vette motor so they lobbied against Olds making a street version. I'm sure they also had a hand in nerfing Olds to its low point in the early 1990's.....a 4-cylinder 442? c'mon......GM should have gotten rid of Chevy instead. Heaven forbid any other branch come out with anything innovative!

Rocket Power
01-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Couldn't get the engine, so I got the shirt:goof
http://www.brewcitymuscle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6755&d=1263509525

Prince Valiant
01-14-2010, 04:54 PM
It's hard to tell which is my favorite of the BOP and caddy engines...I tend to lean toward the buick with it's exagerated oversquare diminsion, and relatively lightness...but there is something about the very undersquare Olds that's easy to produce low-end torque that I find neat as well.

One of my favorite Hot Rod article series involved making all the engines (buick, pointiac, olds, chevy, ford, mopar) all as near identical as possible (all with ~ same compression, crank/rod material, cam, stock eddy heads--except the buick that used T/A heads) and see where the chips fell...the olds was last in HP, but produced so much torque below 3000rpm, the dyno couldn't measure it accurately as it couldn't effectively hold the engine rpm...below 3500rpm, the olds was king....proving the saying "you just can't kill the low-end torque of an olds"

It would be interesting to see the "Hemi" 4V head...a true hemi would have it's valve open "on center" (IE, move to the center of the bore), whereas, this is difficult/impossible to pull off with a true hemi design (in theory, two intake valves would collide).

pjturkey
01-14-2010, 04:57 PM
....In fact, some day when I win the lottery I'm gonna put a 1930's Olds straight-6 into a '70 Chevelle SS and tell people "At least it's still GM, right?"

Prince Valiant
01-14-2010, 05:21 PM
....In fact, some day when I win the lottery I'm gonna put a 1930's Olds straight-6 into a '70 Chevelle SS and tell people "At least it's still GM, right?"Didn't olds have a nice straight 8? That would be cool to roll with.

GTO RLY?
01-14-2010, 05:24 PM
I think the Solstice GXP motor (LNF) would be a fun one to put in a Nova, or better yet, a Citation.

pjturkey
01-14-2010, 07:12 PM
Didn't olds have a nice straight 8? That would be cool to roll with.

They may have had a straight 8, but Buick's straight 8 was much more popular. In 1949 (I believe) Olds came out with the first "rocket" 303 OHV V-8 tho. You see those in a few traditional style Rods and customs.

BAD LS1
01-14-2010, 07:33 PM
The Calais Quad 442 was a neat car for its time, that 2.3L quad 4 was a cutting edge OLDS engine to start with before becoming a corporate mill, having 190hp in 1990 from a 4 banger!!?? And it ran mid 14s stock, that's pretty damn impressive given the time table.

70 cutlass 442
01-14-2010, 08:34 PM
The Calais Quad 442 was a neat car for its time, that 2.3L quad 4 was a cutting edge OLDS engine to start with before becoming a corporate mill, having 190hp in 1990 from a 4 banger!!?? And it ran mid 14s stock, that's pretty damn impressive given the time table.

for sure, the quad four had its problems and was a pita to work on,,,, but how many 4 cyl cars TODAY make even close to 190 hp?

Reverend Cooper
01-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Alot of them do and have a million less problems

pjturkey
01-14-2010, 10:13 PM
Alot of them do and have a million less problems

They should have respectfully discontinued the Oldsmobile name in the mid 80's seeing as GM no longer had interest in what was once a proud branch. Notice, when everything became Chevy-ized, sales decreased...and we all know the sad state of GM today. Once Chevy gets it's grubby little hands on something, it goes to shit! Ransom Olds probably turned in his grave when the "4" in 442 stood for 4 cylinders. Chevy (boo, hiss) is an evil name full of evil ideas....anger, hate...that is the dark side! Ok I'm ranting, goodnight :)

JC70SS
01-15-2010, 08:05 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes: