What a fitting end to the season.....

[badass88gt]

Considering how they started the year off with a shit O line, the Card's run right around the line to force the turnover. Oh well, the Pack will get 'em next year! lol

[michelle]

Bah.

[Reverend Cooper]

Lol

[badass88gt]

Lol

x2, though you took 36 seconds longer to post than I thought you would. Youre slacking.

[KRAUSED]

One and DONE LOL

i would like to thank the cards the boys and ravens for making my weekend $500 richer....

[badass88gt]

$500 richer....

Nice!

[Reverend Cooper]

^ lol

[Lash]

At least it was exciting.

[0TransAm0]

always next year. i liked the facemask on that last play too.. way to go refs...

[BOSS LX]

Fuuuck!

I am still a huge Rodgers fan, he will only get better!


Go Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[Lash]

always next year. i liked the facemask on that last play too.. way to go refs...

Wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[HY35F2T]

hahahahahaha they lost :)


Fuuuck!



I am still a huge Rodgers fan, he will only get better!





Go Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

FO SHO dallas:headbang:headbang

[Anakonda69]

rodgers did awesome today. i can't wait till next year. great season pack.

[Reverend Cooper]

x2, though you took 36 seconds longer to post than I thought you would. Youre slacking.

Ahh I wasn't even gonna bother posting,watching them lose was fun enough.They did play a good game tho,I thought it was locked up in the 1st half.

[Holeshot]

Packers fans have no reason to be bummed. It was a good season regardless of todays loss. I hope Dallas goes to Minnesota and sends Childress packing. then Indy can win the Super Bowl.

[Reverend Cooper]

Catch 22 cuz I like both teams Dallas and Viking's,I would like Favre to get another ring just to give Thompson something to have nitemares over,but I would also like Romo to get to the superbowl also. Eh either way the Packers don't have to worry about it anymore.

[KRAUSED]

catch 22 cuz i like both teams dallas and viking's,i would like favre to get another ring just to give thompson something to have nitemares over,but i would also like romo to get to the superbowl also. Eh either way the packers don't have to worry about it anymore.

fact...

[Karps TA]

Boy that highly ranked defense really shut down the Cardinals offense today it looks like. Odd how that D seems to look so great when playing the worst offenses in the league. But I guess that doesn't really matter.....

[OxmanWI]

That was one of the best playoff games ever, over 1000 yards, 90 points, 60-some first downs! Great game, the Cards where the better team, but the Packers are only going to be better next year! Go Pack!

[T-Bag]

Good game...very sloppy game defensively by both teams. Once again our offensive line kills the game with shitty play and penalties.

Really not all that dissapointed. I really didn't expect us to make it this far.

Dallas has always been my #2 goto since I was born there and livewd there a chunk of my life

[PB86MCSS]

Great game, the D didn't show up, good lord....it did pad numbers against bad teams, like most teams do. Shut down the Cowboys but that is about it of the good teams. Secondary has a hole or two and the lack of a pash rush other than Matthews occassionally was disturbing. Guess I'll root for the Saints in the NFC and hope they face either the Colts or Chargers for a good Super Bowl. Jets and Ravens are dull.

[Reverend Cooper]

^ lol shut down a offense that was struggling with a failing Roy Williams,to bad they didn't wise up and sit him down to go with Crayton sooner. Funny how you say the Cowboys were a good team that they played against,cuz at the time you said they sucked,and they did.

[GTSLOW]

always next year. i liked the facemask on that last play too.. way to go refs...

Dunno if that one would have mattered. But there was quite a few others. Ah well very interesting game reguardless.

[moels]

I was waiting for Capers to make an adjustment to stop the Cards from killing them over the middle, but it never happened. Oh well, now I have to root for my man Brett.

[PB86MCSS]

^ lol shut down a offense that was struggling with a failing Roy Williams,to bad they didn't wise up and sit him down to go with Crayton sooner. Funny how you say the Cowboys were a good team that they played against,cuz at the time you said they sucked,and they did.

When did I say the Cowboys suck? The Packers handed them their ass, yes...doesn't mean they suck. You have a bad memory or are putting words in my mouth. All of the Playoff teams are good....I don't think anyone can really argue against that unless you are opposed to facts and logic.

[hrsp]

very good weekend of football...atleast for me :)

[HY35F2T]

I have to admit i hate the packers but im surprised to see them come back that close.Man i laughed so hard when card's missed that kick hahahaha i knew he was going to miss it.Guy looked like he seen a ghost when he was on the sideline waiting.

[Karps TA]

The important thing now is what will Thompson do to improve this team in the offseason? Will he recognize the glaring holes and needs of the team? Will he actually go out and get a few key free agents that could put the team in a much better position next year? Or does he continue with the 10 year plan and just draft players and try to get younger? Next years schedule is going to be much tougher.

[flyin_blue_egg]

The important thing now is what will Thompson do to improve this team in the offseason? Will he recognize the glaring holes and needs of the team? Will he actually go out and get a few key free agents that could put the team in a much better position next year? Or does he continue with the 10 year plan and just draft players and try to get younger? Next years schedule is going to be much tougher.


hopefully he gets some FA or some good players in the draft to fill some holes.....the glaring hole to me is the O-line and we could really use someone in the secondary.....i know ill take some flack for this but i say we trade aaron kampman for something to help the team. i know he was great for us, but he's more suited to just rush the passer and stop the run, not covering receivers. when kampman got hurt and the rookie stepped in it seemed like the team got a little bit better bc he was a better cover LB then kampman.

[JC70SS]

well at least Brady is out and Tony Homo will get his azz pounded to the turf next sunday! The cowgirlz are going down!!!

[That_Guy]

rodgers did awesome today. i can't wait till next year. great season pack.


he truely owned this game. imo one of the best qb's in the nfl.

i was more then impressed

[VroomPshhTsi]

he was that one pass (first pass of OT) away from winning that game... overthrew his WR by about 3 yards

[Exitspeed]

Yeah, I'm not mad at the Pack. Considering the start was the definition of a bad start. We had a great season. Looks like TT and MM will be sticking around after all.

I will say though that the NFL has some shit to take care of in the off season. The commissioner came out and said how pissed he was with the teams not playing their starters at the end of the season. The previous game with the Packers and Cardinals is a perfect example. The cards had no reason to play their starts. Neither did the Pack really but they did.

So how do you resolve that? Well you make the game worth playing. Sine we were going to playing them the following week they should have made the game decide home field advantage. The fact that they Cards had home field advantage still perplexes me. We beat them in pre-season and the regular season and we had a better record. I know they were #1 in their division but the record thing and us beating them should negate that.

[Anakonda69]

i don't think it will be long before the lombardi trophy comes home to wi. just need a guy here or there. and keep kampman in a 3 point stance and pass rush for god sake. lol

[Anakonda69]

i will now be rooting for my hero brett on sunday. tony homo hahahahaha.

[PB86MCSS]

Kampman is gone, no place for him in this defense. I like him alot (have his jersey) but he is meant for a 4-3, IMO. Thompson won't do anything drastic, so I hope no one goes "told you so" when they don't get a big name in free agency. Everyone should know what to expect by now....hopefully we can get at least one decent guy, someone not over the hill or overpaid. I'm not sure on the available free agents yet, to me depth on the o-line and secondary are the most important things. Maybe a playmaking linebacker too or running back who can be a gamebreaker. Grant is mediocre in a good offense, IMO. A veteran backup QB would be ok too I think, Quinn should be fine but if Rodgers were hurt that would pretty much end a season. Anyone know the Packer free agents?

[Karps TA]

Unrestricted FA's are Collins, Pickett, Colledge, Clifton, Spitz. Jolly, Bigby, Kampman, Blackmon and Kuhn.

I think they won't resign Collins. I have a feeling Woodson is moving to that position. CB's when they get older, fall off quickly and suddenly. Woodson and Collins are both too small of stature to play the strong safety spot. Woodson could be like Rod Woodson and get quite a few more years from that spot.

Heaven forbid Thompson use any of the 20 mil under the cap to take care of any of these guys this year and use some of that money up. Jackass.... If they don't resign even half of those guys, that's quite a few new holes they have to fill without even addressing their current holes. Like Offensive line, Defensive End, CB, Kicker, Punter, and safety.

Also I don't know if anyone saw next years schedule but they play the AFC East - Patriots, Jets, Dolphins and Bills AND the NFC East next year. So they won't have the 3rd easiest schedule in the league next year. So hopefully people don't go thinking Super Bowl 2011 just yet.

[PB86MCSS]

The AFC East is about as tough as the AFC North, IMO, we played two AFC playoff teams and a defending Super Bowl champion this year. The NFC East is tougher than the West surely, but we also played the best team in that division too. Packers schedule should be no tougher than the Vikings, probably easier if anything...it's kind of relative that way. And with the NFL parity theres a good chance the NFC isn't so tough by next year. I don't think they have that many current holes, just keep the key guys and add a couple peices. That under the cap space might be handy in order to keep what they currently have.

[Karps TA]

The under cap space I believe had to be used by the end of the regular season to count against this years cap. So basically 18-20 million went to waste.

You don't see that many holes? Giving up 500 + yards to basically every team that had an offense ranked above 15 isn't showing you a hole or 2? That defense still needs alot of help. Unless they blitz they have nothing for pass rush. Woodson is the only CB that can cover. Don't expect Al Harris to be coming back till mid season, and even then he lost a step this year, after knee surgery he's not going to be faster in his mid 30's.

[PB86MCSS]

How many positions do you think can be improved enough (where it would impact wins/losses) in the draft/free agency, realistically? Who would you go after, specifically? Lets hear a game plan taking into affect current free agents and whats available.

Harris lost a step a year ago or so, IMO.

[Karps TA]

That's why I can't stand Thompson, because he seems to think he can fix everything just with the draft.

If I'm the Packers, I'm interested in resigning Pickett (whom I like better then Raji) and Jolly for sure. Both are young and still playing well. then my main concern is Offensive line. Colledge is gone. His position is priority 1 to replace, and depending on how the draft plays out I'm looking for either the best Tackle or Guard in the draft. And with that said he's a guy I'm not switching positions on. I'm drafting a tackle to play tackle and a guard to play guard. This bringing guys in and training them at new positions crap doesn't work.

My focus then is on DB's. Whether it's CB's or Safeties. I'm not a big fan of Collins. I think he may make INT's but he blows alot of assingments. I'd seriously move Woodson to Free Safety. He's best when he's all over the field, like how we used Butler back in the day. It allows him to make plays. Strong Safety there looks to be a couple big names out there. Maybe somebody like a Dawan Landry. Bigby is just not good enough, he looks for the hit more then the tackle, gets hurt alot, and gives up big plays. CB hit the draft. Get somebody with some big time speed, who can play at the very least nickle, and can be a kick returner as well. I swear to god we have the slowest special teams in the league.

They also need to find a change of pace RB in the draft. Again someone with some moves and some burst. Somebody who can catch a ball on 3rd down checkdowns and make a damn play. Brandon Jackson is just too similar a runner to Grant IMO. If you blow open a huge hole, they'll make a play, but they don't make their own plays. That or sign a guy like Chester Taylor from the Vikings. Just someone who can make a guy miss.

They then need to get themselves a DE who can rush the passer. I for one never understood why Kampmann couldn't play the position. He held up the outside just fine on running plays in the 4-3. When he played DE he wasn't that much smaller then alot of other ends. Maybe a tad shorter, and maybe 20 lbs less. But on passing downs why he couldn't be effective with a hand on the ground I don't get. Trying to make him cover guys and fall into zones was beyond stupid. And considering the difficulty he had, I'm guessing he'll be cheap. Let him put back on 20-30 lbs and have at it.

WR's, TE's, FB's are all fine. LB's are okay as well for the most part. I'd draft a replacement for Barnett if available. But I think he's way overrated and doesn't really do much that well. But with the other talent around him I think that's hidden.

Then they badly need a punter. At the very least let Kapinos go see the kicking coach that Ryan wanted to see that the Packers wouldn't allow. Cause Ryan saw him, went to Seattle and became one of the best in the league. And atleast bring in a kicker to make Crosby sweat.

[flyin_blue_egg]

That's why I can't stand Thompson, because he seems to think he can fix everything just with the draft.

If I'm the Packers, I'm interested in resigning Pickett (whom I like better then Raji) and Jolly for sure. Both are young and still playing well. then my main concern is Offensive line. Colledge is gone. His position is priority 1 to replace, and depending on how the draft plays out I'm looking for either the best Tackle or Guard in the draft. And with that said he's a guy I'm not switching positions on. I'm drafting a tackle to play tackle and a guard to play guard. This bringing guys in and training them at new positions crap doesn't work.

My focus then is on DB's. Whether it's CB's or Safeties. I'm not a big fan of Collins. I think he may make INT's but he blows alot of assingments. I'd seriously move Woodson to Free Safety. He's best when he's all over the field, like how we used Butler back in the day. It allows him to make plays. Strong Safety there looks to be a couple big names out there. Maybe somebody like a Dawan Landry. Bigby is just not good enough, he looks for the hit more then the tackle, gets hurt alot, and gives up big plays. CB hit the draft. Get somebody with some big time speed, who can play at the very least nickle, and can be a kick returner as well. I swear to god we have the slowest special teams in the league.

They also need to find a change of pace RB in the draft. Again someone with some moves and some burst. Somebody who can catch a ball on 3rd down checkdowns and make a damn play. Brandon Jackson is just too similar a runner to Grant IMO. If you blow open a huge hole, they'll make a play, but they don't make their own plays. That or sign a guy like Chester Taylor from the Vikings. Just someone who can make a guy miss.

They then need to get themselves a DE who can rush the passer. I for one never understood why Kampmann couldn't play the position. He held up the outside just fine on running plays in the 4-3. When he played DE he wasn't that much smaller then alot of other ends. Maybe a tad shorter, and maybe 20 lbs less. But on passing downs why he couldn't be effective with a hand on the ground I don't get. Trying to make him cover guys and fall into zones was beyond stupid. And considering the difficulty he had, I'm guessing he'll be cheap. Let him put back on 20-30 lbs and have at it.

WR's, TE's, FB's are all fine. LB's are okay as well for the most part. I'd draft a replacement for Barnett if available. But I think he's way overrated and doesn't really do much that well. But with the other talent around him I think that's hidden.

Then they badly need a punter. At the very least let Kapinos go see the kicking coach that Ryan wanted to see that the Packers wouldn't allow. Cause Ryan saw him, went to Seattle and became one of the best in the league. And atleast bring in a kicker to make Crosby sweat.

one problem with resigning Jolly is his pending felony drug charge. Would hate to sign him and then he winds up in prison for drugs

[Karps TA]

Well of course you have to wait on that. But the guy is a big time disrupter on the field.

[GTO RLY?]

Question: Which is worse - being a "one and done" team, or making it to the Super Bowl and losing, so the entire world thinks you suck, regardless of the fact that you were conference champs?

[Karps TA]

I'd rather be one and done then any other option myself. People only remember Super Bowls in a positive light. If you're not winning Championships, then what's the point? Then you might as well be getting better draft picks so you can make it to the SB.

And I'd rather not make a Super Bowl, then lose a Super Bowl. I remember the 96 Super Bowl like it happened last weekend. The 97 Super Bowl if it wasn't for just seeing it on NFL network not that long ago, I couldn't tell you a thing about it. It was purged from my memory.

[gottwins?]

So you guys are saying that if the packers had a shot at the superbowl and lost you would rather have lost in the playoffs?!? Losing is losing, but nobody would trade a superbowl appearance for a playoff loss, whether you loose or win its still much better than being knocked off early in the playoffs. How much better would you guys be feeling next year if this packer team at least made the superbowl?!? I know you guys are hurting after that loss but come on, seriously. The momentum/experience/accomplishment gained from making the superbowl is well worth that 1 or 2 seat drop in the draft.

[Karps TA]

You think Buffalo fans are happy with 4 Super Bowl appearances, or would they have traded that for 1 SB win?

How About Philly? They went to what 4 NFC championships games and lost 1 SB. Think they'd rather have 1 SB win than all of that?

Plus if there was ever a year to be happy about being out, it's this year. See next year could be an uncapped year. And the only teams that will have restrictions placed on how many FA they can go out and sign are the top 8 teams. Now in the Packers case it may be a moot point cause TT would rather cut off a finger then sign a FA. But if you're not good enough to win the whole damn thing, what's the point of playing another week?

[gottwins?]

You think Buffalo fans are happy with 4 Super Bowl appearances, or would they have traded that for 1 SB win?

How About Philly? They went to what 4 NFC championships games and lost 1 SB. Think they'd rather have 1 SB win than all of that?

Plus if there was ever a year to be happy about being out, it's this year. See next year could be an uncapped year. And the only teams that will have restrictions placed on how many FA they can go out and sign are the top 8 teams. Now in the Packers case it may be a moot point cause TT would rather cut off a finger then sign a FA. But if you're not good enough to win the whole damn thing, what's the point of playing another week?

Buffalo loosing 4 times in the superbowl has nothing to do with it because the question is..would you rather loose in the playoffs or get to the superbowl and loose. So the REAL question you should be asking is would those buffalo fans rather not even made the superbowl any of those times and lost in the playoffs everytime in which the answer would be no.

The question itself really makes no sense and seems like part of a grieving process because then it would validate questions such as "Would you rather not make the playoffs at all than make them every year and loose?" It makes no sense, the point is to achieve the highest level win or loose.

[Karps TA]

Trust me, I'm not grieving here. lol

[PB86MCSS]

I was a big Bills fan as a kid during and after the Super Bowl years for a little while too, I'm very proud of the fact they made four in a row...not sure if/when we will see that again. I think the league and media has finally respected those teams over the years. If someone thinks a Super Bowl loser is just a loser, then they are idiots IMO. Would I trade four losses for one win? Honestly, I'd have to think about that some more....part of me says yes but making four in a row is probably a tougher accomplishment, even if you lose them. To me the fun isn't just winning it all, the road to get there week in and week out is the excitement. One loss doesn't take that all away. Having one good season then others not even making the Playoffs would be more boring and frustrating, I think.

Basically, I don't see the whole point as winning it all. Sure thats the ultimate goal. That might beaten into the head of folks since the media glorifies the winner of a big game but to me the goal is to have a competitive team year in and year out, at least that gives me the most satisfaction. I could care less what the media tries to sell me. Having down years sucks worse than losing in the Playoffs or a Super Bowl. Playoffs in baseball are a crapshoot, football is almost the same way with parity. The best teams don't always win...so if you go nuts building what you think is the best team on paper, you can lose to a Wild Card type team anyway....we've seen enough of those examples over the years. When has the best team on paper won? Not saying don't try to build the best team you can, but enjoying the ride is more important than celebrating winning the final game, at least as a fan. I obviously can't speak for a professional athlete. I think being a Bills fan has taught me that over the years....and an A's fan in baseball to a lesser extent, with having one of the best teams in baseball for a few years in a row but losing in the first round of each series :fire .

[gottwins?]

Trust me, I'm not grieving here. lol

I was just talking about the original question. Only after that fact that the team losses are these questions brought up and given credibility. Ask the same question a couple of days ago and it would have been laughed at yet the packers would have been underdogs for the rest of the playoffs/superbowl.

[gottwins?]

I was a big Bills fan as a kid during and after the Super Bowl years for a little while too, I'm very proud of the fact they made four in a row...not sure if/when we will see that again. I think the league and media has finally respected those teams over the years. If someone thinks a Super Bowl loser is just a loser, then they are idiots IMO. Would I trade four losses for one win? Honestly, I'd have to think about that some more....part of me says yes but making four in a row is probably a tougher accomplishment, even if you lose them. To me the fun isn't just winning it all, the road to get there week in and week out is the excitement. One loss doesn't take that all away. Having one good season then others not even making the Playoffs would be more boring and frustrating, I think.

Basically, I don't see the whole point as winning it all. Sure thats the ultimate goal. That might beaten into the head of folks since the media glorifies the winner of a big game but to me the goal is to have a competitive team year in and year out, at least that gives me the most satisfaction. I could care less what the media tries to sell me. Having down years sucks worse than losing in the Playoffs or a Super Bowl. Playoffs in baseball are a crapshoot, football is almost the same way with parity. The best teams don't always win...so if you go nuts building what you think is the best team on paper, you can lose to a Wild Card type team anyway....we've seen enough of those examples over the years. When has the best team on paper won? Not saying don't try to build the best team you can, but enjoying the ride is more important than celebrating winning the final game, at least as a fan. I obviously can't speak for a professional athlete. I think being a Bills fan has taught me that over the years....and an A's fan in baseball to a lesser extent, with having one of the best teams in baseball for a few years in a row but losing in the first round of each series :fire .

+1
He speaks the truth!

[Karps TA]

Okay ask any player that same question. Ask Jim Kelly. Ask Dan Marino.

Players play to win championships. As I said before. The biggest hurt/disappointment I've ever felt as a fan was losing that 97 Super Bowl. That crushed me as a fan. If the team goes 8-8 or 4-12, that doesn't bother me that much because expectations are low usually to begin with. I'm a reasonable enough fan to know when the team isn't good enough to win it all. But losing Super Bowls, or losing Division championships when you have a good enough team is extremely heartbreaking.

For anyone to even think the Packers had a good enough team this year to win it all is crazy and is just being so blinded by your allegiance, that you ignore what is actually happening on the field.

And that's not a rip on the team. It's young, it has holes, and is not ready yet. There's nothing wrong with a team growing. What's wrong is thinking that since they beat a bunch of shitty teams that the team is one of the best in the league.

[PB86MCSS]

I'd MUCH rather lose a Super Bowl than be 8-8 let alone 4-12...I can't imagine a fan who didn't enjoy the ride to get there, that they would rather have a crap season instead. More good than bad happened in 97' for the Packers.

Players play first to establish themselves in the league, get paid, then get respect from peers/fans...and then more money. Once they have all of that being the best team comes in, I truly believe. It's always more important for established veterans to win it all than a younger player. Players say the right things and do want to win it all...but I don't think they simply play to win it all, thats it. That would basically say there is only one winner...and the rest are losers.

I think Jim Kelly and Dan Marino are pretty happy with their careers and don't lose any sleep at night...but I haven't asked them how much it eats at them. They are still Hall of Famers who have a ton of respect from the players, fans, media, etc.

[gottwins?]

Okay ask any player that same question. Ask Jim Kelly. Ask Dan Marino.

Players play to win championships. As I said before. The biggest hurt/disappointment I've ever felt as a fan was losing that 97 Super Bowl. That crushed me as a fan. If the team goes 8-8 or 4-12, that doesn't bother me that much because expectations are low usually to begin with. I'm a reasonable enough fan to know when the team isn't good enough to win it all. But losing Super Bowls, or losing Division championships when you have a good enough team is extremely heartbreaking.

For anyone to even think the Packers had a good enough team this year to win it all is crazy and is just being so blinded by your allegiance, that you ignore what is actually happening on the field.

And that's not a rip on the team. It's young, it has holes, and is not ready yet. There's nothing wrong with a team growing. What's wrong is thinking that since they beat a bunch of shitty teams that the team is one of the best in the league.

So you would ask jim kelley if he would rather loose every year in the playoffs than go to the superbowl? Im pretty positive any player would say go to the superbowl...why? because you got there, you beat the teams in your conference and you went on to the big show with a fighting chance to win it all. Whether or not you did is a separate issue. At the end of the day your NFC/AFC champions and went to the superbowl with a chance to win it, you gave your fans and players that hope, I usually agree with you but to say that you would rather have a loosing season than loose a Superbowl is crazy talk lol. While I agree that WINNING the superbowl is the ultimate goal, im actually thankful I don't have a team like the lions where loosing is a tradition.

The chargers frustrate the hell out of me when they loose in the playoffs but I was around for the shitty charger seasons and it is nowhere near as fun being a chargers fan as it is today, superbowl win or not....

they are due for one though :-P

[Karps TA]

Again this is all my opinion.

Typically, unless you're just a team fan, and not a sports fan you know when your team is good and when it's bad. If you don't know going in that your team isn't a Super Bowl caliber team then you're just one of those goofs who paints their face and thinks every move they make is the greatest move ever. I have no use for those type of fans. They are probably the same people telling their kid's coaches that their son is the best player on their team when the kid can't even catch.

For me it's when the team is really good and they lose when they shouldn't that hurts. I can deal with 4-12 cause I know going into the season that they are rebuilding. I can deal with 8-8 and missing the playoffs if the team is on the right path. To play one more week after season ends doesn't make or break the year for me.

Again that's just me. I make a conscious effort to see teams for what they are, not what the "experts" say, or getting swept up in a single loss or a single win. I grew up watching alot of football. And by that I mean alot. Not just Packer games. Every night football was on, I was most likely watching it. When you're parents were bookies, you tend to pay attention. lol I'm a football fan all year long. I pay attention to the draft, I watch and listen to what people have to say year long. So maybe my opinions are a little strong but I have my reasons for them. It's not like I have a vendetta against the Packers. Shit I'd love to see them win Super Bowls. But I just don't agree with their method of getting the job done. And until MM and TT put back to back years together I'm not going to believe in their approach. They seem to go as their strength of schedule goes so far.

As for Marino and Kelly. How often do you hear Kelly's name mentioned with the greats? Almost never. Matter of fact I'm betting my mention of him is the first time you've heard his name in a long time. Marino, he's soon to be irrelevant. Between Manning and Favre he'll have no records and will be forgotten because he never got that ring. All he had were his records. You hear players all the time regret never winning that ring in all sports.

[gottwins?]

Well I would rather get into the Superbowl and loose than loose in the playoffs, and I would rather keep my head up that my team went to the superbowl and has the potential to get there and lost than put my head down with a shitty 4-12 team.

Agree to disagree.

[PB86MCSS]

and thinks every move they make is the greatest move ever.

Or the fans who in effort to sound like they actually know sports and how a team operates, criticize every move ;) . Not saying you, you know your stuff...but many talking heads and fans act this way without having a clue of how things really work.



The chargers frustrate the hell out of me when they loose in the playoffs but I was around for the shitty charger seasons and it is nowhere near as fun being a chargers fan as it is today, superbowl win or not....

I think you have it in great perspective, which is how I think I see it too. It's all opinion after all, but having a competitive Playoff team is a hell of alot more entertaining than a crap team you think/hope is rebuilding. I think its fun to watch a team really build, the last team I followed alot like this was the Buccaneers...and once they won it all, I felt like I didn't like them as much anymore. (Yes, I was a Bills fan from ages 10-20 or so, Buccaneers from 14-23 or so, Packers from 23 onward, I'd say, I'm 29 now....call me weird). Part of it was the change in their head coach and getting a knob like Keyshawn Johnson, but it was fun to watch a young team grow into a good team and then win it all. I'm getting off point, if your'e team is clearly building the right way, 4-12 I can live with. But most 4-12 teams aren't going in the right direction, either going downward or still making crappy decisions. Or having to start over with a new GM/coach and hoping they have the answers...and half the time they won't. If all you care about is the Super Bowl, or other championship, I think you tend to lose sight of the ride to get there, that is where most of the fun lies, IMO.

Marino will always be considered one of the very very best QB's, ring or not. Kelly is a Hall of Famer, so he has his props and I doubt he'd trade any of his career ring or not, for anything else. Who remembers Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien or Brad Johnson? Winning a title is icing on the cake of a career, IMO. Doesn't make it or break it. It's a team effort, if an individual player is judged on a team goal then a person isn't really thinking it through.


or getting swept up in a single loss or a single win

This kind of goes against what you are saying though...if you see a team for how they really are not getting swept up on a single loss or win, then if your favorite team loses the Super Bowl you realize they are still a very good team :goof . That's how I see it too, winning a single game, no matter how big it is, doesn't take away the fact it is still typically a very good team to get that far in the first place, etc.

[Karps TA]

By single win, I mean regular season of course.

Here's an example. The Colts over the last decade. They've won more regular season games then anyone. But typically end up 1 game on out in the playoffs. In that entire time only 1 super bowl appearance and win. As a fan I'd be frustrated that my team keeps having great regular seasons, but doesn't do shit in the playoffs. If they are done after the first playoff game, who cares what their regular season was like.

Or the Jet's who only made the playoffs because the last 2 weeks they played teams who didn't need to play to win. So they were handed a playoff spot. Does them making the playoffs really mean as much as say a Dallas who played their asses off to get in?

[GTO RLY?]

I think we had a good season regardless... look at the progress Rogers & company have made over the past two seasons. We were the most penalized team in the NFL, yet we made it to the playoffs in week 15. Next year I think a shot at the NFC championship is feasible, assuming we ditch our PAT dunce.

[PB86MCSS]

Here's an example. The Colts over the last decade. They've won more regular season games then anyone. But typically end up 1 game on out in the playoffs. In that entire time only 1 super bowl appearance and win. As a fan I'd be frustrated that my team keeps having great regular seasons, but doesn't do shit in the playoffs. If they are done after the first playoff game, who cares what their regular season was like.

Or the Jet's who only made the playoffs because the last 2 weeks they played teams who didn't need to play to win. So they were handed a playoff spot. Does them making the playoffs really mean as much as say a Dallas who played their asses off to get in?

If the Colts were my team, I'd be frustrated they haven't at least made another Super Bowl yes, but still pleased that they have had one of the best teams in the NFL the last decade. Losing in the post-season doesn't erase the regular season IMO, just like a Super Bowl loss doesn't erase winning 2-3 Playoff games and having a good regular season.

For the Jets/Cowboys comparison, the Cowboys had a better year and are a better team but the Playoffs can be a crap shoot. If the Jets somehow win this weekend and Cowboys lose, doesn't mean the Jets neccessarily had a better year....you can argue either side with good cause.

[gottwins?]

If the Colts were my team, I'd be frustrated they haven't at least made another Super Bowl yes, but still pleased that they have had one of the best teams in the NFL the last decade. Losing in the post-season doesn't erase the regular season IMO, just like a Super Bowl loss doesn't erase winning 2-3 Playoff games and having a good regular season.

For the Jets/Cowboys comparison, the Cowboys had a better year and are a better team but the Playoffs can be a crap shoot. If the Jets somehow win this weekend and Cowboys lose, doesn't mean the Jets neccessarily had a better year....you can argue either side with good cause.

If the jets win im going to be a sad, sad person this weekend. :alcoholic

[GTSLOW]

I never noticed this. Watch between the 8-10 second mark. The ref actually goes to grab a flag but its not there. :rolf

http://www.twitvid.com/5FEB5

[VroomPshhTsi]

I never noticed this. Watch between the 8-10 second mark. The ref actually goes to grab a flag but its not there. :rolf

http://www.twitvid.com/5FEB5

No, he doesn't. He reached for and tossed the baggie that signals a fumble/loose ball.