Important notice please read regarding Great Lakes Dragaway!!!

[Greg@GLD]

There will be a meeting on Tuesday, December 15th, 2009 at 6:00PM, held at the Town Hall for the Town of Paris located at 16607 Burlington Rd, Union Grove, WI. This meeting will be in regards to a study of noise and light pollution alleged to eminate from Great Lakes Dragaway. If you can possibly make it to this meeting, we would GREATLY appreciate it! We need as many fans of GLD as possible. We are sorry for the short notice, as the town scheduled this meeting with very little advance notice. Tell EVERYONE you know who is either a racer or a fan of the sport! This is VERY important and we need your support!!
Thanks!
Randy Henning, Dom Blasco, Marcel Kuper, Greg Angeli

[07ROUSHSTG3]

damn hippies. good luck!

[TransAm12sec]

How long do the meetings last? Was a study done, are they going to do one, or is thi meeting the study? Does anyone get to speak?

[juicedimpss]

trying to make it

[Larrygto]

I'll try and be there!

[1BadBytch]

Thanx for the info Greg. I'll try to get out there.

[SSLEVO]

Post this up in the general chat! Make it a sticky!

If i wasn't 1.5 hours away i would come. Yes the sound may be anoying, YOU knew the damn track was there when you moved in though. God i hate those people.

[Dr.Buick]

i will try to make it

[EvolvedRegal]

Who the heck would go to Union Grove with the track not there??? The town would suffer a bit during the summer months.

[lordairgtar]

It's not a city of Union Grove that has the issue, it's the town of Paris.

[Goat Roper]

I can load up the Suburban, who wants a ride?

[jbiscuit]

where the hell is the town of Paris?

[Goat Roper]

where the hell is the town of Paris?

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=paris,+wi&oe=&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Paris,+Kenosha,+Wisconsin&gl=us&ei=uucmS4-uBtH6nAeb-bmnDQ&ved=0CAkQ8gEwAA&ll=42.63373,-88.05042&spn=0.007112,0.016469&z=17

[Daytonapacecar959]

Damn i really wish i could make it.:(,please keep us imformed what happens.

[Crawlin]

Someone better have brought up the county shutting down that softball diamond on the previous exit for similar light polution.

[Car Guy]

Since when is 'light' considered pollution...??? :chair:

[Prince Valiant]

Wish I didn't have to work...I love town meetings, lol.

[That_Guy]

this is crazy.. dont move near a drag stripp if you dont like loud cars, tires smoke and exhaust.....

the track has been there longer then most the people who live in the area... i don't get the sense of entitlement that these uppy doucher town board members have... ugh..

[HITMAN]

Wish I could make it as I live not too far from there, but with my work schedule I'd be lucky to get there by 9:00pm. Good luck to you guys. If those fucking townies didn't want to live by a racetrack, they shouldn't have moved near to one... :loser

BTW, light pollution? :rolf If you don't like light, then you'd better pack and move your shit to the dark side of the Moon. Otherwise we've got this big hot thing called the Sun we live approximately 93,000,000 miles from. Word has it it emits a shit load of photons... :durr If the sphere you happen to live on spins about it's axis, then you end up with light pollution for at least part of your day. Luna doesn't rotate, hence it has a dark side. Someone may want to bring that up at this meeting... ;)

[07ROUSHSTG3]

so how did it go?

[Crawlin]

it's tonight....

[07ROUSHSTG3]

it's tonight....

oh. :alcoholic

[jbiscuit]

Big post over on the HAMB about this and I found this info over there. If you can't make the meeting, please stand up and be heard at least about your love for GLD and how it CAN NOT go away!

Send emails to these people telling them what a crock this is!

TOWN BOARD
Town Chairman:
Virgil Gentz
16906 - 38th Street
Kenosha, WI 53144
(262) 859-2748
vgentz@town-of-paris.org

Supervisors:
Kenneth Monson
15702 - 38th Street
Kenosha, WI 53144
(262) 859-2843
kmonson@town-of-paris.org

Ronald Kammerzelt
13400 - 7th Street
Union Grove, WI 53182
(262) 859-2067
rkammerzelt@town-of-paris.org

Clerk / Treasurer:
Linda Terry
16607 - Burlington Road
Union Grove, WI 53182
(262) 859-3006
lterry@town-of-paris.org

Deputy Clerk / Treasurer
Lori Edquist
ledquist@town-of-paris.org



Town of Paris Safety Building
16607 Burlington Road
Union Grove, WI 53182
Phone: (262) 859-3006 Fax: (262) 859-3008
E-mail: townofparis@wi.net
Copyright 2004, 2005 & 2009 Town of Paris

[deuceWI]

Noise and light pollution?

What about me? I live near Miller Park, that place is noisy too, and makes way more light pollution! Should Milwaukee tear it down? And I-94 running through there is noisy 24-7 and there are street lights up and down it. And the trains in the valley make noise at all random times of the day and night, close that off? And ambulances, fire trucks, and squad cars, wow! they make noise and have flashing lights on them.

I always though GLD was in a great location. Who's complaining about the noise and lights? Raccoons in the corn fields? And doesn't racing generally shut down by about 10pm? It's not like there are people racing out there at 2 in the morning.

I can't make it tonight, but I'm there in spirit. Fill us in on the details later after the meeting.

[Goat Roper]

You look that address up and it is a field, any idea on where the hell this in the middle of nowhere spot is?

[SSmike1]

what a joke.
how about State Fair Park?
since 1903, in the middle of a residential neighborhood,
they have been racing cars there for 100 years!

people are SO VERY STUPID!!!!!!!
:chair:

Noise and light pollution?

What about me? I live near Miller Park, that place is noisy too, and makes way more light pollution! Should Milwaukee tear it down? And I-94 running through there is noisy 24-7 and there are street lights up and down it. And the trains in the valley make noise at all random times of the day and night, close that off? And ambulances, fire trucks, and squad cars, wow! they make noise and have flashing lights on them.

I always though GLD was in a great location. Who's complaining about the noise and lights? Raccoons in the corn fields? And doesn't racing generally shut down by about 10pm? It's not like there are people racing out there at 2 in the morning.

I can't make it tonight, but I'm there in spirit. Fill us in on the details later after the meeting.

[juicedimpss]

You look that address up and it is a field, any idea on where the hell this in the middle of nowhere spot is?

hwy v142 EAST OF D

[Goat Roper]

Place was packed, more when I get home.

[Crawlin]

what a joke.
how about State Fair Park?
since 1903, in the middle of a residential neighborhood,
they have been racing cars there for 100 years!

people are SO VERY STUPID!!!!!!!
:chair:

i thought they shut the racing down at state fair park now?

[Car Guy]

i thought they shut the racing down at state fair park now?

That is TBD.....

[twicks69]

Place was packed, more when I get home.

I hope it was packed full of racers....Not the dickbags that want the place shut down.

There are only 2 other 1/4 mile tracks left in the state, and WIR and Rock falls both suck in comparison. GLD has been a part of my livelyhood for the last decade.

[twicks69]

That is TBD.....

I thought that they are having the big snowcross at the milwaukee mile this weekend?

[Car Guy]

I thought that they are having the big snowcross at the milwaukee mile this weekend?

Haven't heard anything about that, I was referring to racing in the summer.....

[Goat Roper]

Was def a full crowd of supporters. Absolutely no room left inside and no room left for parking outside. They even brought a sherrif deputy in to keep everybody in line but everybody was courteous.

I videoed the entire presentation, but that will have to wait to upload. Basically, some douche complained so they brought in a firm that setup sound wave monitors at the track, on pole and a few other choice places. Of course, they picked LABOR DAY WEEKEND as one of the weekends to monitor. They also picked days that prevailing winds were flowing from the track to the monitors, for the most part.

Of course, levels were high, but it is a flipping dragstrip, that shit happens.

Will get the vid up yet tonight. They didn't allow me to put an audio recorder on the meeting table to audio record anything, they will be pleased that I ran video....

[TransAm12sec]

So that guy wants to shut down the track, using noise and light pollution as a means?

What was the outcome of the meeting? Yes, it's loud? Thanks for recording it.

[Goat Roper]

So that guy wants to shut down the track, using noise and light pollution as a means?

What was the outcome of the meeting? Yes, it's loud? Thanks for recording it.

Light pollution wasn't even worth discussing they said, so thats off the table.

No outcome, they will review possible noise ordinances.

[Goat Roper]

Location of one of their monitoring devices, 25-30 feet up this pole;

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Burlington+Rd,+Union+Grove,+WI+53182&sll=42.633675,-88.060248&sspn=0.013987,0.033023&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Burlington+Rd,+Union+Grove,+Kenosha,+Wiscons in+53182&ll=42.654963,-88.018403&spn=0.001756,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.654906,-88.018483&panoid=vtII02832-4UCCYw-g9zJA&cbp=12,321.2,,0,9.68

[Car Guy]

I can't believe taxpayer $$$ is being wasted on this ‘study’.....:rolleyes:

[BOSS LX]

Light pollution wasn't even worth discussing they said, so thats off the table.

No outcome, they will review possible noise ordinances.

It was dumb. It was cool to see a bunch of supporters! I like when you busted off the wind info!:rolf

[Plum Crazy]

I guy i work with lives in paris and is for the dragstrip, but he had to work till 5, not sure if he made it there

[Goat Roper]

I like when you busted off the wind info!:rolf

It was the first thing I thought of, which way was the wind coming from. iPhone to the mf'ing rescue.

[Goat Roper]

Video is producing right now, about 50 minutes then I have to upload it. Hopefully the quality sticks since I got the entire screen with their charts in frame.

[Crawlin]

It was dumb. It was cool to see a bunch of supporters! I like when you busted off the wind info!:rolf

He actualy talked about the wind info? That's fucking hilarious! Left the room speechless I bet.

[LIZMO]

that meeting was bullshit, those guy's were splurting shit no one gave two shit's about.

[Goat Roper]

that meeting was bullshit, those guy's were splurting shit no one gave two shit's about.

Yeah, I found myself really wanting to ask when he was going to get to the point.

[TransAm12sec]

Study finds Paris drag strip’s noise level isn’t very loud
http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/study_finds_paris_drag_strips_noise_level_isnt_ver y_loud_6963587.html


"The board voted to have the town’s attorney work with Bonestroo to create draft ordinances to govern sound and light pollution, with the draft ordinance presented at the January meeting."

As someone on ls1gto boards said, "And so it begins". The title of the article seems to contradict the need to govern sound and light pollution.

[pnad]

Location of one of their monitoring devices, 25-30 feet up this pole;

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Burlington+Rd,+Union+Grove,+WI+53182&sll=42.633675,-88.060248&sspn=0.013987,0.033023&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Burlington+Rd,+Union+Grove,+Kenosha,+Wiscons in+53182&ll=42.654963,-88.018403&spn=0.001756,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=42.654906,-88.018483&panoid=vtII02832-4UCCYw-g9zJA&cbp=12,321.2,,0,9.68


Well that is just ridiculous. Could they have put it any closer to the strip? 30' up? Why not at residence ear level?

May as well mic the fricken staging lanes.

[Goat Roper]

Well that is just ridiculous. Could they have put it any closer to the strip? 30' up? Why not at residence ear level?

May as well mic the fricken staging lanes.

And THAT point was made clear to them by someone. They really could not have got much closer to the track.

[jbiscuit]

soooooo what now? I can't believe they didn't just throw this D-bag out on the street. GLD is a historical place for SE WI. Granted there are more and more car-haters in this state which will ultimately be one of the reasons why my wife and I would move but still. WI is doing a great job REALLY trying to eliminate any bit of motorsports and automotive enthusiasm. Pretty sure The Mile will be done here too. Gotta pick on the next one in line. If I was WIR I would start getting my notes ready for the hearing cuz they will be next. Or Slinger! That track is in the middle of a neighborhood!

[Crawlin]

There are like 100 houses closes to WIR than one single house to GLD, hahaha

They have more to be concerned about... like the smell from the Kaukauna paper plant, haha

[SSLEVO]

Sent an email to all of them... It took all i had to not open up on them. The best bet is to keep it civil though.

[PureSound15]

There are like 100 houses closes to WIR than one single house to GLD, hahaha

They have more to be concerned about... like the smell from the Kaukauna paper plant, haha

I can hear WIR from my house - and there are entire new neighborhoods less than 1/4 mile from the track, nobody complains!

[flyin_blue_egg]

Now that they see that they don't have the community support to close the track that they thought they'd have the next step will be to make laws/ordinances to make the track not profitable to keep open. I wouldn't be suprised if in the next 5 years the town of paris has some ordinance that says "no loud noises after 9PM" or some BS like that.

[0TransAm0]

Now that they see that they don't have the community support to close the track that they thought they'd have the next step will be to make laws/ordinances to make the track not profitable to keep open. I wouldn't be suprised if in the next 5 years the town of paris has some ordinance that says "no loud noises after 9PM" or some BS like that.

just have racing start at 4AM :) and go ALL day long...:banana1:

[SSLEVO]

Rock falls does not have any lighting, they run on the weekends only. And at that, they only run every other weekend some times. Thats where made 90% of the passes in my lifetime. They are crooks up there for charging so much but it's the only place to go up there. I don't think it would kill anyone to shut it down a bit earlier, say 9 or so.

The problem with that is you give a little now to keep them happy, and years later they want more and more until you are gone. It might be best to hold their ground for now.

[Plum Crazy]

My biggest problem with any of this is that GLD was there FIRST!!! Its like moving into a house by the airport and getting pissed cuz its noisy!!

[0TransAm0]

My biggest problem with any of this is that GLD was there FIRST!!! Its like moving into a house by the airport and getting pissed cuz its noisy!!

agreed!

[SSLEVO]

My biggest problem with any of this is that GLD was there FIRST!!! Its like moving into a house by the airport and getting pissed cuz its noisy!!

But you are forgetting that common sense is not a given these days. I deal with this kind of crap at work all the time, you can't believe how some people think.

[Goat Roper]

just have racing start at 4AM :) and go ALL day long...:banana1:

If something draconian statute goes in I will be the first to drive up and down their roads blaring my horn at all hours of the day.

[SSmike1]

no
we raced there in September 2009
MC
midwestern council, we had a race and AX there.

still going! as far as i know???


i thought they shut the racing down at state fair park now?

[Yeehaw]

My biggest problem with any of this is that GLD was there FIRST!!! Its like moving into a house by the airport and getting pissed cuz its noisy!!

kinda like the person who built their aparment building next to B&M in waukesha and residents in such apartment want waukesha to shut down the junkyard cause they don't want to look at it

[forcefedss]

IMO i think its just a bunch of shit. so WHAT if gld gets shut down, where are all the racers going to go? to the streets.

o wait, i thought they want to crack down street races and they say take it to a track? ok, well what would happen if we dont have a track?


people that live around the milwaukee mile dont bitch about the noise. and its 10000x louder than gld. 40 plus camping world series cars at one time? its fricken loud. the lights? bright enough to see a mile away. do people bitch about that? no.

[1BadBytch]

IMO i think its just a bunch of shit. so WHAT if gld gets shut down, where are all the racers going to go? to the streets.

o wait, i thought they want to crack down street races and they say take it to a track? ok, well what would happen if we dont have a track?


people that live around the milwaukee mile dont bitch about the noise. and its 10000x louder than gld. 40 plus camping world series cars at one time? its fricken loud. the lights? bright enough to see a mile away. do people bitch about that? no.

I thought the Milwaukee Mile will no longer have any large national events any more?

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

For the record I can see GLD's lights from 7 miles east.
Dad lives 7 miles nort of GLD and on the right day we can also hear them running, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[1BadBytch]

For the record I can see GLD's lights from 7 miles east.
Dad lives 7 miles nort of GLD and on the right day we can also hear them running, not that there is anything wrong with that.

:violin

[forcefedss]

I thought the Milwaukee Mile will no longer have any large national events any more?

really? that would suck. i know they sold to some other big time company, but i thought they were going to try to keep it going.


but not to get off topic. if GLD wasnt in union grove, they wouldnt even be on the map, it would be just another lame ass small town. one blink and your through it.

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

really? that would suck. i know they sold to some other big time company, but i thought they were going to try to keep it going.


but not to get off topic. if GLD wasnt in union grove, they wouldnt even be on the map, it would be just another lame ass small town. one blink and your through it.

Its not in Union Grove its not even in the same county as Union Grove.
GLD is in the Village of Paris which is in Kenosha county, Union Grove is in Racine county. GLD is on the Kenosha side of Hwy KR the Kenosha/Racine county line.
As for the blink the village of 1400 has a few things but not in one area. There is the 150 year old church/school, a meat packing plant, a weinergies oil burning power station and a landfill.
97% of the Paris population are non snivelers and good people not against GLD.

[Flicktitty]

if anyone is interested, i contacted Fox6 News earlier this week, and they said they would like to pick up on the story if any racers or any supporters would like to talk to them to call.

i'm thinking about calling,but i haven't had near the history some of you have had there.

so if you would like i will pass your info on.

thanks

[SSmike1]

Good Idea!

Ron!

:thumbsup


if anyone is interested, i contacted Fox6 News earlier this week, and they said they would like to pick up on the story if any racers or any supporters would like to talk to them to call.

i'm thinking about calling,but i haven't had near the history some of you have had there.

so if you would like i will pass your info on.

thanks

[TransAm12sec]

Why does GLD's address say Union Grove if it's not in Union Grove?

Great Lakes Dragway
18411 1st Street
Union Grove, WI 53182-9200

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

Why does GLD's address say Union Grove if it's not in Union Grove?

Great Lakes Dragway
18411 1st Street
Union Grove, WI 53182-9200

Because the village of Paris does not have a post office and the closest post office is in da' Grove. Incidentally the actually Paris village hall has a Grove address also.

Grandma lives in Raymond and has a Franksville mailing address and Dad lives in Yorkville and has a Grove address. Just how dey do it.