Ran the TA at GLD

[Josepy]

The track was dead last night. I ran the car 12 times. Best I did was an 11.8 at 108 hittin the rev limiter in 3rd gear. 1.8 60 foot also. Needs 4.11's and the sway bar taken off.
All of the other runs i was grabbing 4th gear. running 121mph. Three runs at 11.9. I could not get a 60 foot to save my life. For my first time at the track ever with a car I had a blast.

Car has a lot left in it with a couple of small changes.

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[xFullThrottlex]

nice!

[lilws6]

yea the 4.10's would help a ton i have to grab 4rth just before i cross the line or it bangs the limiter killing my time your trappin bout the same speed as me i traped around 110 usually but my 60 ft. wasi think at least a 2.0

[juicedimpss]

joe,next time dont listen to whoever they have putting you in the waterbox,you shouldnt be in the middle of it for the burnout,pull out to the edge of it so you arent spraying water up in the wheelwells (which drips on the tires on the starting line)
looks like you guys had a blast

[Josepy]

joe,next time dont listen to whoever they have putting you in the waterbox,you shouldnt be in the middle of it for the burnout,pull out to the edge of it so you arent spraying water up in the wheelwells (which drips on the tires on the starting line)
looks like you guys had a blast

I saw that after watching the vids. Thanks

[Josepy]

yea the 4.10's would help a ton i have to grab 4rth just before i cross the line or it bangs the limiter killing my time your trappin bout the same speed as me i traped around 110 usually but my 60 ft. wasi think at least a 2.0

All runs but the 1 i was trappin anywhere from 120 to 121

[lilws6]

wow it was dead for shure shoulda called me i woulda headed up there with the bike or something when did you go?

[Josepy]

wow it was dead for shure shoulda called me i woulda headed up there with the bike or something when did you go?

Last night.

[lilws6]

damn it i was bored playing call of duty i thought the track was closed oh well

[Bobby "Big Daddy" Flay]

Nice runs Joe

[SSLEVO]

What kind of power does it make? Still on the 10 bolt? What tires? That should be a LOW 11 sec car when you get it all sorted out with 121 mph traps. It takes time to row a T-56 to a good time. I had my old LT1 cam only car running 12.3 @114 on a 1.9 60'. That was after about 150 passes on it so i had it figured out pretty well.

[WhatsADSM]

Not bad for your first time out! What kind of tires were you running (slicks/DRs/street tires)?

[Josepy]

What kind of power does it make? Still on the 10 bolt? What tires? That should be a LOW 11 sec car when you get it all sorted out with 121 mph traps. It takes time to row a T-56 to a good time. I had my old LT1 cam only car running 12.3 @114 on a 1.9 60'. That was after about 150 passes on it so i had it figured out pretty well.

600rwhp. moser 12 bolt with 3.73's
My shifting was perfect. Had 27x10.5 slicks et streets on it.
Couple easy fixes and the car is going to fly.

[URLOZIN]

Now don't get me wrong, your car is bad ass, but it seems like your times are a little slow for a procharged ls1. I figured high 10's low 11's. I'm not dissing your car in anyway. Just seems like somethings not right.

[Josepy]

Now don't get me wrong, your car is bad ass, but it seems like your times are a little slow for a procharged ls1. I figured high 10's low 11's. I'm not dissing your car in anyway. Just seems like somethings not right.

If you read any of the posts you would see I said it needs some changes to get it to go.

[PureSound15]

It was Joe's first time running the car at the track - and other than the slicks, the car wasn't track prepped at all. Car should be low 11s once he gets the hang of it.

[BAD LS1]

Now don't get me wrong, your car is bad ass, but it seems like your times are a little slow for a procharged ls1. I figured high 10's low 11's. I'm not dissing your car in anyway. Just seems like somethings not right.

7 psi into a rock stock 70k mile motor with a smallish blower cam... pretty decent mph considering the lack of big ticket motor mods.

[DRK]

If you read any of the posts you would see I said it needs some changes to get it to go.

600rwhp with the right gear and traction should go 130+ also........ at least it would in a fox mustang :shades

[juicedimpss]

600rwhp with the right gear and traction should go 130+ also........ at least it would in a fox mustang :shades

joes car is just a bit heavier than a fox.

[HY35F2T]

600rwhp with the right gear and traction should go 130+ also........ at least it would in a fox mustang :shades
:headbang

[Prince Valiant]

That's moving...good times.

[DRK]

joes car is just a bit heavier than a fox.

I figured, it was a friendly Ford vs Chevy jab.

The T/A is flying for a street car.:headbang

[SSLEVO]

600rwhp. moser 12 bolt with 3.73's
My shifting was perfect. Had 27x10.5 slicks et streets on it.
Couple easy fixes and the car is going to fly.


Something is not adding up here, is the gearing in the later ls1 T-56's the same as the LT1's? I had the stock 3.42 gears in my 95 Z and was getting into 4th with just my cam only 360 rwhp car revving out to 6800. You should be winding 4th with 600 rwhp. I do see you are running a larger tire though.

Were you down on power for some reason?

You have a solid 250 more hp than i had yet only trapped 6-7 mph faster. It was a full weight street car so the weights have to be about the same.

Don't take this the wrong way, i'm just curious why the traps are kind of low. The 60' and shifting usually doesn't change the trap so much.

[Prince Valiant]

... and shifting usually doesn't change the trap so much.My experience is that shifting has a fairly sizable effect on traps...if shifting slowly, that give drag an opportunity to slow the car down...slower the shift, more mph lost. Higher speeds leads to higher drag, more mph lost on slow shifts. I mean, I'm not talking tremendous difference of 10-12 mph, but a 5-6mph loss is certainly possible by not too hurried shift on a car as fast as this.

[Josepy]

Something is not adding up here, is the gearing in the later ls1 T-56's the same as the LT1's? I had the stock 3.42 gears in my 95 Z and was getting into 4th with just my cam only 360 rwhp car revving out to 6800. You should be winding 4th with 600 rwhp. I do see you are running a larger tire though.

Were you down on power for some reason?

You have a solid 250 more hp than i had yet only trapped 6-7 mph faster. It was a full weight street car so the weights have to be about the same.

Don't take this the wrong way, i'm just curious why the traps are kind of low. The 60' and shifting usually doesn't change the trap so much.

The gearing is not correct. On the rev limiter in 3rd going across or just barely into 4th. Im not even close to wound out in 4th going across the line.

If you listen to when i hit 4th its just before the line.

[juicedimpss]

The gearing is not correct. On the rev limiter in 3rd going across or just barely into 4th. Im not even close to wound out in 4th going across the line.

If you listen to when i hit 4th its just before the line.

joe,what he means is this.
a car with more power can pull rpm with less gear.so if you had 2 cars ,one with 200whp and one with 500whp the car with more power should be able to pull more rpm through the same rear gear.

[SSLEVO]

The gearing is not correct. On the rev limiter in 3rd going across or just barely into 4th. Im not even close to wound out in 4th going across the line.

If you listen to when i hit 4th its just before the line.

I see, i can't watch the vid here, i'll have to check it out when i get home. Those tires were about 2" taller than your street tires right? I think the stockish size is about 25" tall.

What clutch are you running? Built or stock T-56?

[SSLEVO]

joe,what he means is this.
a car with more power can pull rpm with less gear.so if you had 2 cars ,one with 200whp and one with 500whp the car with more power should be able to pull more rpm through the same rear gear.

Yeah kind of, i had a higher rear gear and pulled about the same rpm's with 200 less hp. His tires were about 1.5-2" taller than mine though so that may equal a higher (lower number) gear. I didn't run the numbers so i'm not 100% sure. Either way he needs to go with a shorter tire or lower gears in the rear so he is damn near tapped in 4th going through the lights.

Like i said before, they are both T-56's but i'm not sure if the ratios stayed the same between the lt1 and ls1 cars.

[BAD LS1]

27 " tall tires on the back with 3.73's are pretty much equal to having 3.42's. A lower gear will fix alot of this as the car is dropping below 5000 rpm after a shift and having to climb all the way back up to 6600. ahh the biggest pitfall of a centri blower car...

The car would be 125 or better with the gear change, im fairly confident of that. The car was trapping 97 in the 1/8th too iirc.

and the MN6 ratio's were the same from 94-00, 93 i think was weird bastard year for T56 gearing.

[WhatsADSM]

The MPH does seem a little short (especially given the nice cool air), but then again for the first time at the track and being a high powered manual car, its not that bad. With a gear change and more seat time I'm sure the numbers will be a lot better. FWIW, my guess was a mid 120mph trap given the power level.

[SSLEVO]

27 " tall tires on the back with 3.73's are pretty much equal to having 3.42's. A lower gear will fix alot of this as the car is dropping below 5000 rpm after a shift and having to climb all the way back up to 6600. ahh the biggest pitfall of a centri blower car...

The car would be 125 or better with the gear change, im fairly confident of that. The car was trapping 97 in the 1/8th too iirc.

and the MN6 ratio's were the same from 94-00, 93 i think was weird bastard year for T56 gearing.

So the car isn't in it's power at 4500-5000 rpms? From the sounds of it the thing has a turbo like powerband.

[BAD LS1]

So the car isn't in it's power at 4500-5000 rpms? From the sounds of it the thing has a turbo like powerband.

LS1's arent like LT1's... they make all the nuts up high... the car noses over after shifts and will start humping hard again up top as it gets up on the cam and the boost recovers. Try driving a centri blower car with a shit gear ratio and tall tires and see how long it takes get up on the pipe in the first place then recover.

I think everyone is really over thinking this... it dynoed 600 hp, the dyno was used to dial it in, not for bragging rights its like, "oh by the way it made 600 during this process".... my new camaro makes 416 to the wheels and only traps 110, that seems really low to me too but its right on for what the rest of the world gets out of these cars.

[SSLEVO]

I guess i never thought a centrifugal supercharger would lag like that. I've never driven one so i can't really talk. Either way it's moving.

My lt1 came onto the cam quite a bit, but thats what you get for throwing a rather large cam in there with stock heads, lol.

[WhatsADSM]

...A lower gear will fix alot of this as the car is dropping below 5000 rpm after a shift and having to climb all the way back up to 6600. ...


Remember the final drive makes no difference in terms of gearing from one gear to the next. So if it used to fall to 5000 after a shift, it still will fall that far and have to climb.

Just that with a higher FD that shift will occur lower in MPH.

[BOSS LX]

joes car is just a bit heavier than a fox.

My car in stockesh form weighed 3400 lbs in race trim. It made 500 rwhp through an aod and went 10.50's at 130mph.

They are not as lite as people think.

Regardless of horsepower, 7 psi on a stockish motor trapping over 120 is badass.

[Beagle]

What the hell Joe? I remember you saying the car will never see the track. Nice runs though. Your car is bad ass!!!!

[jbiscuit]

looks like its haulin to me! Might be a bit more left on the table in the tune perhaps also? How much timing in it tommy at 7psi?

[Irish]

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[SSLEVO]

Just watched the videos, you deff were having a little trouble leaving. From the sounds of it you were launching way too high and blowing the tires off. I ran into the same thing trying to launch my M6 car with 3.42 gears. The best 60' i was ever able to pull was a 1.9 on bfg drag radials. When you try to throw that many rpm's through a high gear like we had the initial shock is just too much for the tires.

For now i would suggest trying to ride the clutch out at 4000-4500 and try to get it to dead hook. I ran my best times when i had a slight amount of wheelspin, which prevented the motor from bogging.

If you want to run that big of a tire i would almost consider 4.33's depending on what the plans are for the car. I used to have an excel spreadsheet for my car somewhere, i'll see if i can find it.

[juicedimpss]

My car in stockesh form weighed 3400 lbs in race trim. It made 500 rwhp through an aod and went 10.50's at 130mph.

They are not as lite as people think.

Regardless of horsepower, 7 psi on a stockish motor trapping over 120 is badass.
correct,and im betting joes car tips the scales about 400 more than that. those things are pigs in full factory trim.

[STANMAN]

Nice runs!

[Josepy]

Just watched the videos, you deff were having a little trouble leaving. From the sounds of it you were launching way too high and blowing the tires off. I ran into the same thing trying to launch my M6 car with 3.42 gears. The best 60' i was ever able to pull was a 1.9 on bfg drag radials. When you try to throw that many rpm's through a high gear like we had the initial shock is just too much for the tires.

For now i would suggest trying to ride the clutch out at 4000-4500 and try to get it to dead hook. I ran my best times when i had a slight amount of wheelspin, which prevented the motor from bogging.

If you want to run that big of a tire i would almost consider 4.33's depending on what the plans are for the car. I used to have an excel spreadsheet for my car somewhere, i'll see if i can find it.



I left the at high rpm and tried riding it out. The best I could pull was 1.8 60.
Need more seat time. Plans for the car are to just drive it. It will not become a race car. I had planned on 4.11's going in it anyway in spring.

[Josepy]

What the hell Joe? I remember you saying the car will never see the track. Nice runs though. Your car is bad ass!!!!

LOL yeah I figured you would bring that up. Things just fell into place where I could go. I had fun. This will probably be a once a year thing.

[Reverend Cooper]

thats pretty awesome joe

[1320PNY]

thats pretty awesome joe

Heck yeah it is. I know you can burn the tires off a car, but there's a formula to doing a burnout and getting a low 60'. Either way, anything under 12s with a car you drive on the street, beat at burnout contests, and looks that clean is awesome! :headbang

[*SNOOP*]

Looks good to me!!

[nismodave]

Thats great Joe!! :thumbsup

[Beagle]

LOL yeah I figured you would bring that up. Things just fell into place where I could go. I had fun. This will probably be a once a year thing.

Nothing wrong with that car did good :thumbsup

[Josepy]

Nothing wrong with that car did good :thumbsup

It can do better and so can I. First time jitters and me not knowing how launch. Was getting the hang of it towards the end.

[Waver]

Those are great numbers for the first time at the track.....How were the track conditions?

[michelle]

Nice job!

[BAD LS1]

Those are great numbers for the first time at the track.....How were the track conditions?

This sums it up:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/381643445_17b7f85e91.jpg

They said they didnt spray the track that day.

[Waver]

This sums it up:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/381643445_17b7f85e91.jpg

They said they didnt spray the track that day.

Well that explains the wheel spin and the 60' times

[HP ADDICT]

Good job man! I was pretty bad at the track the first time I went. Running mid 13s in my 135i. By the third time I was there and decent track prep I was in the high 12s! What was the DA? If I had some tires I would like to get the vette down there in the cold weather.