Cam only LT1's run11's??

[Lash]

I was "informed" that there are MANY cam only LT1 f-body's running 11's, factory weight.


Your take? :stare

[URLOZIN]

I know one that's in the 11's or within a tenth or so.

[letsrunem]

MANY

No. A few? Probably

[Beagle]

Heads and cam LT1's with stock bottom end and a good tire could do it. Maybe a factory freak thats completely gutted with a good tire with a 50mph wind on a track that goes down hill could that happen. Most cam only lt1's cant get out of the 13's. More common for an ls1 car to touch 11's cam only.

[Firefighter Z]

I've also heard of a few LT1's in 11's with bolt-ons. Some in high 10's with giggle juice at about 150 shot.

Take a look arounf on www.ltxtech.com You'll find your answers there.

[Beagle]

I've also heard of a few LT1's in 11's with bolt-ons. Some in high 10's with giggle juice at about 150 shot.

Take a look arounf on www.ltxtech.com You'll find your answers there.

That would not be a cam only setup. that would be a cam and nitrous setup.

[Crawlin]

I was "informed" that there are MANY cam only LT1 f-body's running 11's, factory weight.


Your take? :stare

Absolutely.

2800lb raceweights do wonderous things.

MANY around here? NOPE. A good number around here? NOPE.

But the guys that stick with the combination and get the cars down light enough can absolutely do it. But they aren't your normal everyday cars.

Factory weight for both LS1 and/or LT1, no way

[Firefighter Z]

That would not be a cam only setup. that would be a cam and nitrous setup.


Shut up trader! :chair: :punch::thumbsup

[*SNOOP*]

Never.

[Beagle]

Shut up trader! :chair: :punch::thumbsup

I still have the camaro.




Enjoy your optispark, oil leaks, 10 bolt, and junk trans. :loser :rolf :loser :rolf

[Firefighter Z]

I still have the camaro.




Enjoy your optispark, oil leaks, 10 bolt, and junk trans. :loser :rolf :loser :rolf



Hey If I know how to fix it, might as well keep it, right? :thumbsup

[Beagle]

Hey If I know how to fix it, might as well keep it, right? :thumbsup

Of course you know how to fix it because the damn thing is always in need of being fixed. :banana :rolf :punch:

[juicedimpss]

Of course you know how to fix it because the damn thing is always in need of being fixed. :banana :rolf :punch:

just wanted to quote that before you have to fix your new car.
:rolf

[juicedimpss]

and a cam only lt1 at full weight....lol
uh,yeah.

[Firefighter Z]

Of course you know how to fix it because the damn thing is always in need of being fixed. :banana :rolf :punch:


Your just mad cause you don't know how to turn a wrench. :rolf:thumbsup

[SSLEVO]

LOL, you guys haven't been around camaroZ28.com have you? Its not that hard to get a cam only LT1 into the 11's. I had a M6 95 Z28 a few years ago. It made 366rwhp 368 rwtq with full bolt ons and a CC306. It was a full weight car except for the front sway bar, jack and spair tire. On the stock 3.42 rear and 6 speed my best was a 12.3@114. I've had a few traps in the low 115's before. All of that on a 1.92 60." With gears it was a 11 sec car easily.

And get this, the motor had 200k on it. My uncle was the original owner so i know the motor was all stock. People just don't know how to set up cars properly. A bolt on lt1 should run high 12's. Min ran 13.1@107.

[juicedimpss]

LOL, you guys haven't been around camaroZ28.com have you? Its not that hard to get a cam only LT1 into the 11's. I had a M6 95 Z28 a few years ago. It made 366rwhp 368 rwtq with full bolt ons and a CC306. It was a full weight car except for the front sway bar, jack and spair tire. On the stock 3.42 rear and 6 speed my best was a 12.3@114. I've had a few traps in the low 115's before. All of that on a 1.92 60." With gears it was a 11 sec car easily.

And get this, the motor had 200k on it. My uncle was the original owner so i know the motor was all stock. People just don't know how to set up cars properly. A bolt on lt1 should run high 12's. Min ran 13.1@107.

as much as i agree with what you say here,i also disagree. are we talking about cam only,or cam and bolt ons.i think it would be tough to run 11s without some other supporting mods,especially if the car in question is an automatic.

[SSLEVO]

When people say "cam only," 99% of the time there are refering to stock heads and lower end. It includes bolt on stuff like headers, cold air intake... It would be pretty stupid to put a cam in a car with stock exhaust manifolds.

[SSLEVO]

Absolutely.

2800lb raceweights do wonderous things.

MANY around here? NOPE. A good number around here? NOPE.

But the guys that stick with the combination and get the cars down light enough can absolutely do it. But they aren't your normal everyday cars.

Factory weight for both LS1 and/or LT1, no way

Cam only LS1??? There are cam only LS cars making 400rwhp. Not too hard to run 11's with that kind of power. Like i said it takes some time to set everything up but its not that hard. Hell my car had power leather seats even. Race weight around 3600-3700 lbs.

[URLOZIN]

When people say "cam only," 99% of the time there are refering to stock heads and lower end. It includes bolt on stuff like headers, cold air intake... It would be pretty stupid to put a cam in a car with stock exhaust manifolds.
exactly. well said

[Beagle]

my car touched high 11's on a 125 shot with longtubes 3 inch exhaust all the way back, cold air intake, drag radials 3600 stall and a tune. No way an lt1 cam only will touch 11's with the same mods minus the nitrous.

[SSLEVO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7oldCq96Os

Did you have a cam? What were you trapping? Go poke your head around on camaroz28.com. They are/were the biggest site for lt1 cars. I think the cam only record is 11.1@117 with a 3200 lb race weight.

http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305819&highlight=cam+only+record

look towards the bottom of the list, there aren't many cars on the list for some reason but there are plenty in the 11's, especially on some of the custom ground cams. Mine was right off the shelf.

[Beagle]

Yea ive been on that site for years. 11.1 no f ing way cam only. Theres more than just a cam in that thing probably some more cubes. No 100 percent stock motor with just a cam will run that. Impossible. 11.1 hahahahahaha

[SSLEVO]

Yea ive been on that site for years. 11.1 no f ing way cam only. Theres more than just a cam in that thing probably some more cubes. No 100 percent stock motor with just a cam will run that. Impossible. 11.1 hahahahahaha

Well, that was on a 1.49 60' time. Thats .5 seconds faster than my best 60.' They say .1 on the 60' is good for .15 in ET. So that would drop about .8 off of my 12.3 bringing it down to a 11.5. He has 3 more mph than i do so thats about 30 more hp, another 3 tenths off and you get a 11.2.

Not too unrealistic to me. Bret has been grinding custom stuff for stock head applications, i can see a car picking up another 20 hp with that and aggresive tuning. That car leaves HARD. Mine was more like a bog and then haul ass the rest of the way down the track. Who knows what the DA was that day either. It can be done, you are just sour because it took you a large hit of nitrous.

[Beagle]

To many people lying about their times out there. show me a cam that will add 100-150hp cause thats about what it will take on a stock lt1 to get close to11's. I could maybe see a high 11's like 11.999999999 but no 11.1.

[*SNOOP*]

When I say cam only, I mean cam ONLY.... 3200lb race weight is not stock.
CAM ONLY!!! NEVER!!!!

BONE STOCK WITH A CAM!!!! NEVER!!!!!!

[07ROUSHSTG3]

^^^

i beleive him.

[Beagle]

When I say cam only, I mean cam ONLY.... 3200lb race weight is not stock.
CAM ONLY!!! NEVER!!!!

BONE STOCK WITH A CAM!!!! NEVER!!!!!!



Exactly...... atleast where on the same page. :stare

[SSLEVO]

LISTEN, cam only refers to a setup using the stock longblock, any other bolt on stuff is included in that. I don't think any one in their right mind would throw ONLY a cam into a stock engine. The exhaust would choke the motor so bad it wouldn't gain anything. Not to mention the stock springs can hardly control the factory cam.

[SSLEVO]

To many people lying about their times out there. show me a cam that will add 100-150hp cause thats about what it will take on a stock lt1 to get close to11's. I could maybe see a high 11's like 11.999999999 but no 11.1.

What does a stock M6 lt1 car dyno? Maybe 230-240 whp. Add some simple bolt on stuff to let the engine breathe and a cam and i made 366whp. That's 120-130 more hp than stock. You guys can go on all day if you wish, i've been there before.

[Yooformula]

sorry but I am having a hard time seeing how headers/catback/cam/tuning nets an LT1 120-130hp gain!

[Crawlin]

doesn't have it. proper stall setup for the car will get the e.t. itself down quite low. Like my old red car. stock 13.4, added the 3200Vig and it went 12.6's, no power adding mods at all added at the same time.

and an LT1 car at 3200lbs with driver is not stock weight. That's probably 400lbs ripped out of the car.(assuming driver is right around 200)

[SSLEVO]

sorry but I am having a hard time seeing how headers/catback/cam/tuning nets an LT1 120-130hp gain!

Well i had more than that, 1.6 rockers, 918 springs, electric water pump, 52mm throttle body, 30 lb/hr injectors, 1 3/4 LT's, hooker catback, K&N cold air intake. The "cc306" is a pretty nasty cam for stock heads. The car moved out, 114 trap speed all day long with a 3700 lb raceweight. Most bolt on only guys dyno around 300 rwhp. Another 60 hp from tunning and a big cam doesn't sound so far off.

[Yooformula]

and an LT1 car at 3200lbs with driver is not stock weight. That's probably 400lbs ripped out of the car.(assuming driver is right around 200)

agreed! 3200lb is NOT stock weight....my Formula(cloth int) weighed in at 3340 with an empty tank with no driver and STOCK as in a day from the dealership stock...went straight to Moroso the day after I got the car.

[Beagle]

So how come the fully ported heads and cam cars run high 11's low 12's with the supporting mods then? This thread is useless. Anybody have a cam i can borrow for my camaro. Ill prove to everyone this is not possible. My car hit a 12.9 once on motor and consistently wnet 13.0-13.3 with a 1.6-1.8 60ft. So with a cam it should be equivalent to my 125 shot that it took to barely get into the 11's. Right.............

[SSLEVO]

So how come the fully ported heads and cam cars run high 11's low 12's with the supporting mods then?

Because they don't have their shit set up right and can't drive. My car ran 13.1's with all the bolt ons like your car but that was on a 2.0 60'. I put the cam in and ran a best of 12.3. Thats on a 1.9 60' time. Throw in some gears and its 11's easy. I didn't get that far since i sold the car. All you people have is speculation, i fucking did it, lol

[67-400]

My factory TPI set up with a mail-order performance chip was running low-12's :rolf:rolf

[Bobby "Big Daddy" Flay]

sorry but I am having a hard time seeing how headers/catback/cam/tuning nets an LT1 120-130hp gain!

Take mine for example.....

1997 Z28, 285hp at crank. Figure 20% drivetrainloss = 228 hp at wheels. Add longtubes, ORY, Catback, K&N CAI, and a tune. Car put down 295.7 at WBD Dyno Days earlier this year.

Not bad for a Z28 with 99k on it

[SSLEVO]

Take mine for example.....

1997 Z28, 285hp at crank. Figure 20% drivetrainloss = 228 hp at wheels. Add longtubes, ORY, Catback, K&N CAI, and a tune. Car put down 295.7 at WBD Dyno Days earlier this year.

Not bad for a Z28 with 99k on it

Sounds about right, most bolt on cars roll about 300. Throw a cam in and you pick up 40-60 hp. If you have a heads cam package these days there is no reason you should roll less than 400 whp. The lt1 is still a great engine, the ls1 will make 40-50 more hp with a cam or heads/cam combo so thats why the lt1 gets put on the back burrner. Hell, the new ls3 vetts are almost making 500 whp "cam only" :wooo

[SSLEVO]

My factory TPI set up with a mail-order performance chip was running low-12's :rolf:rolf

Ok, take your 3rd gen and go back to the trailer park, LOL

[Yooformula]

Take mine for example.....

1997 Z28, 285hp at crank. Figure 20% drivetrainloss = 228 hp at wheels. Add longtubes, ORY, Catback, K&N CAI, and a tune. Car put down 295.7 at WBD Dyno Days earlier this year.

Not bad for a Z28 with 99k on it

and what did it run Ben? adding a cam to that combo wont net you an 11 sec pass imo!

[juicedimpss]

and what did it run Ben? adding a cam to that combo wont net you an 11 sec pass imo!

and i'll add that an 11.9xx pass is FARRR from an 11.1 pass.
:rolf