View Full Version : new black challenger at dodge city....
JC70SS
10-02-2009, 02:39 PM
SRT8 with the motor sitting next to it on a hoist. Service guy said it spun a bearing. Only 4000mi on it:rolf
07ROUSHSTG3
10-02-2009, 02:47 PM
spins bearings better than it spins tires i bet, LOL!
Coming soon: SRT8 needs new transmission at 5k miles...
Red97GTP
10-02-2009, 03:30 PM
Coming soon: SRT8 needs new transmission at 5k miles...
Isn't that in the maintanence schdule anyways?
jbiscuit
10-02-2009, 05:13 PM
4,000 miles? How'd it last that long?
Karps TA
10-02-2009, 05:22 PM
That's okay. Id still take one in a heartbeat.
GTSLOW
10-02-2009, 05:34 PM
Aren't all SRT8's automatics too????
HITMAN
10-03-2009, 01:27 AM
Challenger SRT8 with spun bearing > 2010 Government Motors Canadian import TwoTonMaroSS.
Prince Valiant
10-03-2009, 01:34 AM
Aren't all SRT8's automatics too????Nope.
2010 Government Motors Canadian import TwoTonMaroSS.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH :wooo
Irish
10-06-2009, 09:25 AM
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HITMAN
10-06-2009, 10:56 PM
Didn't Chrysler take some government money too?
:confused
Yep, twice. 2009 and 1979
I'd still rather have a Challenger.
YellowNanner
10-10-2009, 12:29 PM
lol lol lol.... you guys are hilarious!!! I've worked at many dealerships, I can tell you stories of every brand having a weird one in a million problem. I have pictures of a ford expedition with the body seperated from the frame for an engine change at 2500 miles, broke a rod! Every brand has em, Like some the new early tundras were blowing motors due to the camshafts breaking. I think this thread is hilarious. And to Mr. 07ROUSHSTG, I had a paxton supercharged 01 Mustang GT with over 420 rwhp (Pretty comparable to a roush) and after 300miles she blew 2 holes in the block-I still have the block, heads, and pistons if anyone doubts (It was tuned by c and m so that was not the problem). And ill take you up on your challenge of tire spinning with my charger. I can get my massive 295-45-20's to scream for mercy! I say drive what you like! Dont hate on other peoples rides, all autos have there positives and negatives. I feel that if you have to talk crap your just jealous! :)
jakedrew
10-23-2009, 08:13 PM
^ maybe the tune was the problem ,lol.
YellowNanner
10-24-2009, 02:43 PM
^ he has done sooooo many that I would think it wasn't. He is a VERY good ford tuner. I havent ever heard a horror story from his tuning.
10secondcamaro
10-30-2009, 02:56 PM
just not sure its good for sales to show it off! works for me, ain't one gonna catch my old camaro!
07ROUSHSTG3
10-30-2009, 02:58 PM
lol lol lol.... you guys are hilarious!!! I've worked at many dealerships, I can tell you stories of every brand having a weird one in a million problem. I have pictures of a ford expedition with the body seperated from the frame for an engine change at 2500 miles, broke a rod! Every brand has em, Like some the new early tundras were blowing motors due to the camshafts breaking. I think this thread is hilarious. And to Mr. 07ROUSHSTG, I had a paxton supercharged 01 Mustang GT with over 420 rwhp (Pretty comparable to a roush) and after 300miles she blew 2 holes in the block-I still have the block, heads, and pistons if anyone doubts (It was tuned by c and m so that was not the problem). And ill take you up on your challenge of tire spinning with my charger. I can get my massive 295-45-20's to scream for mercy! I say drive what you like! Dont hate on other peoples rides, all autos have there positives and negatives. I feel that if you have to talk crap your just jealous! :)
challengers suck.
^ he has done sooooo many that I would think it wasn't. He is a VERY good ford tuner. I havent ever heard a horror story from his tuning.
Sounds like we all just heard one :rolf
Prince Valiant
10-30-2009, 03:16 PM
I recall a certain GM LS2 Goat on here previously that I'm sure had a spun bearing and then some.
07ROUSHSTG3
10-30-2009, 03:16 PM
Sounds like we all just heard one :rolf
maybe he didn't have his "tire spinning challenge" tune loaded :confused
I recall a certain GM LS2 Goat on here previously that I'm sure had a spun bearing and then some.
The one without the oil in it? :rolf
Prince Valiant
10-30-2009, 03:53 PM
I recall a certain GM LS2 Goat on here previously that I'm sure had a spun bearing and then some.The one without the oil in it? :rolfYeah...the one with a dumb owner. And therein lies the point; one can never build an idiot-proof car...
YellowNanner
10-30-2009, 05:44 PM
Mr. Roush, lol! I respect all cars for what they are! I am very glad you love your mustang, they are great cars! But, so are camaros, challengers, chargers, G8', audis, lexus's, etc..... I am just happy there are so many different cars out there to choose from. BTW the challengers are awesome. May not be the fastest, but hot dam* do they look cool.
http://www.club-cow.com/download/file.php?id=189
YellowNanner
10-30-2009, 05:46 PM
and good point prince, the reliability of a car directly corresponds to how they are taken care of.
07ROUSHSTG3
10-31-2009, 10:38 AM
Mr. Roush, lol! I respect all cars for what they are! I am very glad you love your mustang, they are great cars! But, so are camaros, challengers, chargers, G8', audis, lexus's, etc..... I am just happy there are so many different cars out there to choose from. BTW the challengers are awesome. May not be the fastest, but hot dam* do they look cool.
dude, let it go.
i think they suck. you think they look cool and that makes them "awesome". my personal opinion is that a car has to do more than look good to be considered awesome. you have your opinion and i have mine?!?! not sure why you are so butthurt about people finding humor in a brand new stock challenger being blown up?!?! wasn;t your car was it? better hold on to your ride, FIAT is going to stop making them, it will be a collector someday.
YellowNanner
10-31-2009, 11:05 AM
^ and they definately do more than look cool. N/A srt's run high 12's low 13's and they have excellent handling. In fact I bet the Jeep my mother has (stock with over 65000 miles) would give your car a really good run on the racetrack (say road america), and my money on winning would be the jeep, considering my brother was racing a 2008 shelby GT500 and he pulled away from it on the corners and the straights. It seems you are very "BUTTHURT" to tell people why they suck! I love mustangs, but I hate stupid owners who have no clue what they are talking about. Ive owned mustangs we still have 3 in the family, there great cars but they are not gods gift to the earth. Stop being so one minded!
YellowNanner
10-31-2009, 11:05 AM
And I am oficially done wasting my time with this post!!!! ALL CARS ROCK!!!!
^ and they definately do more than look cool. N/A srt's run high 12's low 13's and they have excellent handling. In fact I bet the Jeep my mother has (stock with over 65000 miles) would give your car a really good run on the racetrack (say road america), and my money on winning would be the jeep, considering my brother was racing a 2008 shelby GT500 and he pulled away from it on the corners and the straights. It seems you are very "BUTTHURT" to tell people why they suck! I love mustangs, but I hate stupid owners who have no clue what they are talking about. Ive owned mustangs we still have 3 in the family, there great cars but they are not gods gift to the earth. Stop being so one minded!
A JEEP vs a Mustang? lol
07ROUSHSTG3
10-31-2009, 11:26 AM
^ and they definately do more than look cool. N/A srt's run high 12's low 13's and they have excellent handling. In fact I bet the Jeep my mother has (stock with over 65000 miles) would give your car a really good run on the racetrack (say road america), and my money on winning would be the jeep, considering my brother was racing a 2008 shelby GT500 and he pulled away from it on the corners and the straights. It seems you are very "BUTTHURT" to tell people why they suck! I love mustangs, but I hate stupid owners who have no clue what they are talking about. Ive owned mustangs we still have 3 in the family, there great cars but they are not gods gift to the earth. Stop being so one minded!
you are the one that keeps mentioning my car, i haven;t said a word about it?!?!? i like all cars and am very open minded, ask anyone who knows me. i used to work at a dodge dealership in the service department and consider most of FIAT products junk. sorry, it is my opinion?!?!? if you can't deal with that it is not my problem.
and you name the date you want to meet at RA. bring your checkbook and your mother.
bring your checkbook and your mother.
:rolf:rolf
YellowNanner
10-31-2009, 12:21 PM
You laugh?? One day I hope we meet at the track, would be alot of fun! I will have to get a few of the RA videos up from when we took the jeep there, that thing is pretty impressive! In my opinion the jeep vs my fathers 03 Cobra (531 whp) the jeep would win hands down on the track, at the strip the mustang will win every time (It ran an 11.87 @ 121mph on street tires)! Like I said all cars are cool, I didnt mean to be a jerk I just wish everyone would keep there opinions to themselves. I dont own a challenger or dont intend to, but when you are on a site that caters to all car makes and brands we shouldnt be putting down other cars. There are a few members of my car club that have tried to become members here and had bad experiences with people talking bad about there cars. People take a lot of pride in there rides, I can respect that. I have a bad taste for mustangs I had bad luck with mine, but I will always respect mustang owners. A lot of other people have had GREAT luck with them! I just appreciate it when someone takes pride in there ride. I think its funny, because if I put up a thread picking on a mustang at a local dealer for a blown motor I would have been flamed by all the mustang guys. All in all this was a fun thread, got some agrivation out from a long week at work, lol. HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!
07ROUSHSTG3
10-31-2009, 12:28 PM
if I put up a thread picking on a mustang at a local dealer for a blown motor I would have been flamed by all the mustang guys.
exactly. welcome to BCM, where unlike most sites, people have opinions and are not afraid to share them. to each there own. :thumbsup
You laugh?? One day I hope we meet at the track, would be alot of fun! I will have to get a few of the RA videos up from when we took the jeep there, that thing is pretty impressive! In my opinion the jeep vs my fathers 03 Cobra (531 whp) the jeep would win hands down on the track, at the strip the mustang will win every time (It ran an 11.87 @ 121mph on street tires)! Like I said all cars are cool, I didnt mean to be a jerk I just wish everyone would keep there opinions to themselves. I dont own a challenger or dont intend to, but when you are on a site that caters to all car makes and brands we shouldnt be putting down other cars. There are a few members of my car club that have tried to become members here and had bad experiences with people talking bad about there cars. People take a lot of pride in there rides, I can respect that. I have a bad taste for mustangs I had bad luck with mine, but I will always respect mustang owners. A lot of other people have had GREAT luck with them! I just appreciate it when someone takes pride in there ride. I think its funny, because if I put up a thread picking on a mustang at a local dealer for a blown motor I would have been flamed by all the mustang guys. All in all this was a fun thread, got some agrivation out from a long week at work, lol. HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!
The jeep ain't got a chance bud, and this IS a forum of car people that love cars. Some love some, and some love others. I don't like fox bodys and a few really good friends have several and I hate on them CONSTANTLY. We still get along just fine. Thicken up your skin, we want you to stick around even if challengers DO suck :durr
HITMAN
11-01-2009, 12:17 AM
The jeep ain't got a chance bud,
I don't know about that. My Cobra was a nose heavy pig that under-steered so bad you'd have thought I had a snow-plow on the front of it. An SRT8 Jeep may actually be a better balanced vehicle. (if that's the kind of Jeep we're talking about...) AWD would definitely be of aid pulling out of the corners better.
*SNOOP*
11-01-2009, 02:49 PM
there great cars but neither one can fvck with a LSX car...... LSX's are gods gift to the earth.
Your exactly right!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup
HITMAN
11-01-2009, 03:47 PM
Your exactly right!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup
Wrong.
On the 8th day, God created the 426 HEMI, and he knew that it was good...
http://www.hemihaines.com/images/gallery/Dewey's%20Cross%20Ram%20Stage%20V%20Hemi%20004.jpg
*SNOOP*
11-01-2009, 06:24 PM
On the night of the 8th day, he thought to him self and said " I think I can do better".... So on the 9th day he came up with the 454 CI SMALL BLOCK LSX with 12:1 compression on pump gas... Then he determined there could be no better.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/C6VETTEBOY/large-motore-chevrolet-lsx-454.jpg
Prince Valiant
11-01-2009, 06:44 PM
hmmm....which one is more impressive and makes more horsepower? I willing to bet it's the one that looks better too! :goof
HITMAN
11-01-2009, 10:17 PM
On the night of the 8th day, he thought to him self and said " I think I can do better".... So on the 9th day he came up with the 454 CI SMALL BLOCK LSX with 12:1 compression on pump gas... Then he determined there could be no better.
He must have been hung over from all of that partying on the 8th day...
The LSX isn't even the best Chevy engine, let alone best engine. I'd take 454 inches of fat block Chebby any day over that Ferris Wheel power plant you're in love with.
BTW, the HEMI I pictured also ran 12:1 compression on the pump gas of the day. Be sure and let me know when one of these new modern engines runs in the eights with only 426 cubic inches, N/A with factory carbs, factory ported heads, modified factory intake, old school distributor, some aftermarket headers and an aftermarket roller cam. SS/A and SS/AA. Look up the record holders in those Super Stock classes. And it was designed over 40 years ago...:rolf
I know you GM faithful hate this, but the 426 HEMI is the King of American V8 engines. LSX = Ford Windsor. Whoopee.
*SNOOP*
11-02-2009, 06:15 AM
Your right, it did go 8s in a 2000lb car!!!! LOL!!!
Irish
11-02-2009, 09:44 AM
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Got Boost
11-03-2009, 08:37 AM
Your right, it did go 8s in a 2000lb car!!!! LOL!!!A SS/A Mopar doesnt weigh 2000 Lb... Thats some funny shit there...Just Sayin:wooo
HITMAN
11-03-2009, 04:44 PM
Your right, it did go 8s in a 2000lb car!!!! LOL!!!
Actually, the cars have to weigh about 3200lbs. :durr
A few things have changed from when I used to pay more attention to this stuff. First, the HEMIs have their own class SS/AH so the other junk doesn't have to be embarrassed by running with the A-Body Cudas and Darts anymore. They are allowed a max of .070 overbore (always could, but I didn't bring it up before) giving them a max cubic inch of 440. They must run steel connecting rods, no aluminum. They are now allowed to run sheet-metal intakes, as long as they don't change the relationship of carbs, ie if the carbs were originally in-line or side-by-side, that is how they must remain. The carbs must be the correct casting number as original, or an approved NHRA substitute.
Block and heads are cast iron, with Stainless Steel valves, NO Titanium.
BTW, the record for that class (SS/AH) is held by Jim Daniels in a 1968 Dodge Dart with an 8.33 at the Pennsylvania Dutch Classic on 10/22/09. At the same track on the 25th during the Mopar Hemi Challenge, he went 8.28 @ 159.8 to win it. 438 inches, 3210lbs.
Try that with your N/A, aluminum headed 454ci LSX in a 41 year old, 3200lb, aerodynamic brick!!!! LOL!!!
Moparjim
11-13-2009, 01:24 PM
Actually, the cars have to weigh about 3200lbs. :durr
A few things have changed from when I used to pay more attention to this stuff. First, the HEMIs have their own class SS/AH so the other junk doesn't have to be embarrassed by running with the A-Body Cudas and Darts anymore. They are allowed a max of .070 overbore (always could, but I didn't bring it up before) giving them a max cubic inch of 440. They must run steel connecting rods, no aluminum. They are now allowed to run sheet-metal intakes, as long as they don't change the relationship of carbs, ie if the carbs were originally in-line or side-by-side, that is how they must remain. The carbs must be the correct casting number as original, or an approved NHRA substitute.
Block and heads are cast iron, with Stainless Steel valves, NO Titanium.
BTW, the record for that class (SS/AH) is held by Jim Daniels in a 1968 Dodge Dart with an 8.33 at the Pennsylvania Dutch Classic on 19/22/09. At the same track on the 25th during the Mopar Hemi Challenge, he went 8.28 @ 159.8 to win it. 438 inches, 3210lbs.
Try that with your N/A, aluminum headed 454ci LSX in a 41 year old, 3200lb, aerodynamic brick!!!! LOL!!!
Absolutely true, thanks for saving me the trouble of looking it all up...
Prior to getting their own AH classes, they owned SS/A. It's pretty embarrasing when NHRA has to move your competition out into it's own faster class so you have a chance. Don't even get me started on how the Hemi was essentially banned from NASCAR after winning everything in sight by requiring that the Hemi cars run a restrictor plate while the rest of the competition didn't have to....Maybe take a look at the Salt Flats results over the last 40 years as well...and let's not forget that EVERY top fuel dragster and funny car is still powered by what is basically the Chrysler Hemi base design. When's the last time an LSX based motor went into the 4 second range???
Moparjim
11-13-2009, 01:32 PM
From the Wikipedia, and keep in mind this is EVERY single top fuel car, no matter what type of body is on it...:
The engine used to power a Top Fuel drag racing car has its roots in the second generation Chrysler Hemi 426 "Elephant Engine" made 1964-71. Although the Top Fuel engine is built exclusively of specialist parts, it retains the basic configuration with two valves per cylinder activated by pushrods from a centrally-placed camshaft. The engine has hemispherical combustion chambers, a 90 degree V angle; 4.8" bore pitch and a .54" cam lift. The configuration is identical to the overhead valve, single camshaft-in-block "Hemi" V-8 engine which became available for sale to the public in selected Chrysler Corporation (Dodge, DeSoto, and Chrysler) automotive products in 1952.
Any LSX motors made 8,500 HP lately? Has ANY other engine made 8,500 HP ever?
The answer is NO, that is why every top fuel car is powered by a MOPAR.
Irish
11-13-2009, 01:37 PM
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GTSLOW
11-13-2009, 01:41 PM
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70challenger452
11-14-2009, 12:03 AM
HITMAN and MoparJim both nailed it, old hemi's still rule.
frank_zappa_is_dead
11-27-2009, 09:52 PM
Ok giving credit where credit is due.....The hemi is a excellent top fuel and or max effort drag race engine, But on the street in the late 60s Chevy pretty much ruled the roost.The 440 6 pack was better suited to the street, but a 427 nova or a LS-6 chevelle was more than a match for a street hemi.
BOSS LX
11-27-2009, 10:06 PM
Ok giving credit where credit is due.....The hemi is a excellent top fuel and or max effort drag race engine, But on the street in the late 60s Chevy pretty much ruled the roost.The 440 6 pack was better suited to the street, but a 427 nova or a LS-6 chevelle was more than a match for a street hemi.
And now, small block Ford's rule the streets! Just giving credit where it is due! :thumbsup
frank_zappa_is_dead
11-27-2009, 10:50 PM
LOL! you sure about that?
HITMAN
11-28-2009, 02:42 AM
Ok giving credit where credit is due.....The hemi is a excellent top fuel and or max effort drag race engine, But on the street in the late 60s Chevy pretty much ruled the roost.The 440 6 pack was better suited to the street, but a 427 nova or a LS-6 chevelle was more than a match for a street hemi.
Yeah, one in a poor state of tune.... :rolf
BTW, a 427 Nova would have been Motion, Nickey, Gibb/Harrell or Yenko car, not a factory piece. The COPO 427 1969 Camaros are EXTREMELY rare, and nowhere near as common as a Hemi powered B or E body Mopar. Those cars were made for racing homolgation and that's it. Those cars compare more favorably to the 1968 Hemi Darts and Barracudas, and, well, we all know where that leads to... ;)
You're right about the Hemi being a race motor, and that was it's problem in total street trim. They were finicky and the exhaust manifolds and mild cam timing didn't help. Hemis were hard to tune. They were extremely picky about valve lash, timing, jetting. That's why Chrysler ended up going to a hydraulic cam for the street Hemis in 1970. The tune didn't fall off as bad over time.
A lot of know-nothings that had to have the baddest engine wanted them but didn't have a clue about maintaining them properly. The baddest Chevy engines suffered the same fate at the hands of douche-bags that wanted the killer mill, but didn't know anything about keeping up with the tune, that's why L-88s and ZL-1s were never rated above 425hp and were put in cars that had zero creature comforts. Why would you want a Corvette with an expensive engine that made no more power than an L-72 and you had no heater, A/C or radio, either? And if you checked the L-71 box you got a 435hp engine with 3 carbs, as well. Great looking engine and an extra 10 ponies, to boot. No real need for that expensive L-88, is there?... ;) Chevy used a little psychology, and kept the real bad-ass engines out of the hands of the retard gold chain crowd. That is the same reason ChryCo came out with the 440+6 option; better street manners, and not so finicky on the tune. That kind of thinking saved some embarrassment on the street with an out-of-tune Hemi getting spanked by some sharp rodder sporting a hot little 327.
If you knew what you were doing with a street Hemi, you could pretty much squash any car of the day. Mill the dividers out of the intake, degree the cam, put headers on, run jetting and timing loops at the track, keep up with the valve lash and your other settings and you rarely looked at anyone else's taillights. What's a street Hemi capable of with a little bit of know how? Check out F.A.S.T. racing's Dave Dudek and you'll see what I'm talking about...
HITMAN
11-28-2009, 02:43 AM
LOL! you sure about that?
Race Boss LX and find out.... :D
Irish
11-28-2009, 08:57 AM
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frank_zappa_is_dead
11-28-2009, 10:01 AM
lol I just have a stock 03 Z06 how fast can it be ? nah Il say this though the 5.0 mustangs are quick with a supercharger on them but as the saying goes always somebody faster out there!
SmokinRAM114
11-28-2009, 08:08 PM
andy's shits weak!:stare moostang blow shit:banana1:
Crawlin
11-28-2009, 08:34 PM
Try that with your N/A, aluminum headed 454ci LSX in a 41 year old, 3200lb, aerodynamic brick!!!! LOL!!!
Robin Lawrence's NPS Nova w/ the LSX. 3000lbs, but still a flying brick and about a second and a half faster on spray. Add the weight, get rid of the nitrous, right there with ya all motor.
big tire car just like the Dart is.
not saying anything other than it has been done :) continue on with posting :)
Irish
11-28-2009, 08:44 PM
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Moparjim
11-30-2009, 04:07 PM
It's been that way around here for the last 9 years that I know of. :thumbsup
Yep.
Definitely most of the fastest cars around here that are real street cars - i.e. out driving around regularly have been Mustangs the last decade or so.
In fact, pretty much all of them except for one Mopar guy trying to keep up ;)
BOSS LX
11-30-2009, 05:50 PM
Yep.
Definitely most of the fastest cars around here that are real street cars - i.e. out driving around regularly have been Mustangs the last decade or so.
In fact, pretty much all of them except for one Mopar guy trying to keep up ;)
:headbang
Your vipers have been pretty cool too!:rolf
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