gt500 vs 2010 supercharged ss camaro

[Z28Envy]

One of the first videos of street racing I have seen with the new camaro in one. Can't figure out how to link it so the player is right in the post so here is the link!:rolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LJrxyy3ROk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Els1tech%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Fm ultimedia%2Dexchange%2F1177103%2Dgt500%2Dvs%2Dsupe rcharge%2Dss%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded#t=23

[Bobby "Big Daddy" Flay]

That Camaro looked good as it was passing the camera

[GTSLOW]

Nioce!!!

[Prince Valiant]

I love reading the comments on vids like that....hilarious!

[BOSS LX]

The Shelby with a non-factory re-tune is all it would need!

[07ROUSHSTG3]

i cannot see vids at work.......what happened?

[Prince Valiant]

i cannot see vids at work.......what happened?
Mustang got the jump, camaro came back and pulled away.

Mustang had:
shelby 2008, JLT INTAKE/SCT TUNER/PULLEY PACKAGE jba long headers ,jba hi flow cats , ford racing catback

Camaro had: semi sliks , full exhaust system, magnacharger

[BOSS LX]

Mustang had:
shelby 2008, JLT INTAKE/SCT TUNER/PULLEY PACKAGE jba long headers ,jba hi flow cats , ford racing catback



Oh! Then I say it must have been photo shopped!

[BAD LS1]

Meh.

[Prince Valiant]

Oh! Then I say it must have been photo shopped!Just copy n' pasting what the video subheading states...emphasis were theirs, not mine. I'd never misspell slicks, lol.

[70 cutlass 442]

At the end of the day, Obama still built the camaro.

[94greenbandit]

Nice vid

[URLOZIN]

Stock gt500's are not very impressive.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

the 07/08/09 gt500s are lame. the 2010s are waaaay better performing. either way, they are just another mustang, and we all know mustangs suck.

[Z28Envy]

Eric, when are you taking yours north?

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Eric, when are you taking yours north?

next weekend. drive up friday night and put her away for her long winter's nap.

[Z28Envy]

next weekend. drive up friday night and put her away for her long winter's nap.

BAH!! Did you get the lawn cut so you can find the garage?:rolf

[07ROUSHSTG3]

BAH!! Did you get the lawn cut so you can find the garage?:rolf

YUP! the cub cadet waded through it, LOL! if only grass clippings were worth something i could retire. 1 acre of 8 inch tall grass makes for quite the load :goof.

luckily it has been dry or i may have had to call in the professionals! gotta find someone up there that wants to make a couple bucks. sucks going up there and having to spend the day working instead of boozing.

[STANMAN]

It's all about the benjamins, and I am sure that Camaro had more $$$ in it than the Shelby.



WTF is with the ricer racing anyway, two muscle cars have to go from a roll? If I want to watch cars go from a roll I will watch SRT-4's:goof

[BOSS LX]

the 07/08/09 gt500s are lame. the 2010s are waaaay better performing. either way, they are just another mustang, and we all know mustangs suck.

Maybe, but those cars have the starting platform for a stock long block monster!

[Irish]

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[GTSLOW]

I love reading the comments on vids like that....hilarious!

Did you like mine? :goof Read BLK02TA's.

[94greenbandit]

It's all about the benjamins, and I am sure that Camaro had more $$$ in it than the Shelby.


It didn't have that much more in it :)

[Yooformula]

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[Deggy]

Does that Camaro have a different ground effects package then what comes factory on the RS/SS? Looks a lot smoother on the bottom, or it could just be the color.

[94greenbandit]

I think he had the color match the body

[Deggy]

I think he had the color match the body

That probably explains it. :thumbsup

[HITMAN]

Wow, an aftermarket 2.3TVS blown 6.2 liter engine made more power than a factory 2.0 Eaton blown 5.4 liter engine with similar mods. Who'da thunk it...:rolleyes:

6.2 + 2.3 = 8.5 liters of displacement.

5.4 + 2.0 = 7.4 liters of displacement.

That's about 67 cubic inches worth of difference, and the Eaton TVS High Helix blower is a more efficient design than the standard Eaton Roots blower. I should hope that the Camaro was faster...

[BAD LS1]

Im not impressed with either of them.

Yeah its got the ground effect kit that is now monchromatic. It also has the 21" wheel option too and its a non RS car.

Pretty god damn sure that Shelby with out the mods cost more than the camaro with the $5500 blower and 1600 in exhaust.

[HITMAN]

Pretty god damn sure that Shelby with out the mods cost more than the camaro with the $5500 blower and 1600 in exhaust.

You can probably blame the name "Shelby" for some of that cost difference. That old blood sucker doesn't sell his name for bargain prices. I was never in favor of putting that old sonofabitch's name on that car. I'll never know what would've been wrong with just calling it a Cobra...:chair:

[BAD LS1]

You can probably blame the name "Shelby" for some of that cost difference. That old blood sucker doesn't sell his name for bargain prices. I was never in favor of putting that old sonofabitch's name on that car. I'll never know what would've been wrong with just calling it a Cobra...:chair:

No animosity towards the old prune with the female name is there?:rolf You are right though, its pretty much an extension of the 03-04 Cobra though and it should have just stayed that way.

[94greenbandit]

Pretty god damn sure that Shelby with out the mods cost more than the camaro with the $5500 blower and 1600 in exhaust.

I think the MSRP starts at $45k and the Camaro 2SS is around $37k

[07ROUSHSTG3]

in order for this race to be apples to apples, one would need to put a tvs on the shelby. the eaton that comes on the gt500 is an eaton, and it is black. that is where the likeness to the TVS stops. i cannot see the vid, but if the shelby is even close to the camaro with the little eaton, my money would be on the gt500 with a tvs installed. a new camaro with a TVS is a badass ride though!

and i would think that a complete TVS setup for the maro would cost a bit more than $5500!??! could be wrong, but by the time everything was installed and setup i would bet that the cost would easily exceed $5500. so now the gt500 is the cheaper of the two.

[BAD LS1]

in order for this race to be apples to apples, one would need to put a tvs on the shelby. the eaton that comes on the gt500 is an eaton, and it is black. that is where the likeness to the TVS stops. i cannot see the vid, but if the shelby is even close to the camaro with the little eaton, my money would be on the gt500 with a tvs installed. a new camaro with a TVS is a badass ride though!

and i would think that a complete TVS setup for the maro would cost a bit more than $5500!??! could be wrong, but by the time everything was installed and setup i would bet that the cost would easily exceed $5500. so now the gt500 is the cheaper of the two.

Its around that $5500 price point that gets you a base kit to put on the car and huff a couple lbs into the rectangular ports. I also counted on the owner to have some mechanical apptitude and a metric socket set to put it on them selves.

Now would the GT500 be faster with the same blower on the same amount of boost is my main question there... The 6.2L displaces 376 CI, but the 5.4 does have more valves...

Funny part is a cam and headers probably would have made the camaro faster.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Now would the GT500 be faster with the same blower on the same amount of boost is my main question there... The 6.2L displaces 376 CI, but the 5.4 does have more valves...


that is what i wonder too. and like i said, the 2010 gt500 is much better than the previous years. i would like to see.

stock 2010 camaro w/TVS vs stock 2010 gt500 w/TVS.

[94greenbandit]

What would the shelby make(power wise) without the blower to begin with

[BAD LS1]

What would the shelby make(power wise) without the blower to begin with

not 426hp!

[07ROUSHSTG3]

not 426hp!

i bet it could.

[URLOZIN]

i bet it could.
um. no..

[BAD LS1]

i bet it could.

considering the n/a variant in the likes of a navigator makes 300 n/a. Your 3V makes that much rock stock! Another example of facilitating the need for a supercharger to make any kinda formidible power.

The more powerful n/a engine will always make a more powerful boosted engine.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

um. no..

um. yes..

the new coyote is going to put out 400, and there are new rumours stating that it is going to be a 3v, not a 4 valve like originally thought. the 4 valve NA 5.0 might be closer to 440 hp. if they can get 400 horsepower out of a NA 5.0 modular motor3 or 4 valve, what makes you doubt that a 5.4 NA 4 valve modular motor cannot do 420ish??!?!? please explain.

[Prince Valiant]

What would the shelby make(power wise) without the blower to begin withI can actually give you a ballpark figure if I was to know the approximate amount of boost it currently makes.


um. yes..

the new coyote is going to put out 400, and there are new rumours stating that it is going to be a 3v, not a 4 valve like originally thought. the 4 valve NA 5.0 might be closer to 440 hp. if they can get 400 horsepower out of a NA 5.0 modular motor3 or 4 valve, what makes you doubt that a 5.4 NA 4 valve modular motor cannot do 420ish??!?!? please explain.

Here's what I'd say:

It could make the 426hp...BUT, it certainly wouldn't start out with that if you removed the blower. Not even close.

The 5.4 mod motor would need more compression and cam given stock heads than the 6.2 to make the 426hp. Now, in order to get the equal power, it would likewise have to spin to a higher rpm than the 6.2 of course to offset it's natural torque defieciency...though I don't doubt it'd without too much difficulty, but it's not a great proposistion for the long 4.17 inch stroke (for comparison sake, a 500ci mopar uses a 4.15 inch stroke)

Not only does such a long stroke make for much higher piston speeds for a given rpm, such a long stroke and only having 33x-ish cubic inches means another thing...TINY bore sizes. The tiny bore sizes put restrictions on the size of the valves one can run, and this affects the amount of air that could ultimately flow through them, thus limiting the NA power potential.

Of course, 3V and 4V arrangements help offset this, however, when dealing with the 3V and 4V heads, they are somewhat flow limmited versus the 6.2 or even the Hemi's arrangement. People will point out correctly that the flow of the 3v's and 4v's aren't horrid...and they're right. But their mid 240-250 numbers pale comparison to the 300+++ that either the 6.2 or Hemi's make.

FWIW, the flow numbers allow the ford heads to support roughly 480-500hp peak NA. Another FWIW, to support 426hp, the 5.4 would need to spin to roughly 7100rpm to achieve the desired HP levels (this is assuming similar torque per cubic inch as the truck engines, a reasonable assumption, and that it's producing 85% of peak torque at peak HP, a common occurence as well). 7100 isn't impossible by anystretch for a long stroke, short rod combo like the 5.4...but it's not that's not how you typically want to configure an NA engine for those numbers. This is why to achieve their desired power levels, they go the forced induction route, in which case makes up for the numerous short-comings of the modular engine.

It's also a common misconception that the mod motors are particularly boost friendly...another fallacy. It's no more boost friendly than any other engine would take to the boost levels they see. Furthermore, though it's no doubt stout, there is nothing I've seen that leads me to believe that it has any design advantages that make it more stout than other engines...cast iron block, aftermarket supplied forged pistons, etc, like the 5.4, it would be no more stout than the other v8's out there.