Moon Landing

[Silver86]

http://www.wechoosethemoon.org/#

just about to hit stage 9...


i really wish i couldve been alive during the moon landings to witness them first hand...

[07ROUSHSTG3]

i am not so much in awe of the general landing on the moon, i am shocked at when we did it. in the terms of technology, i don't think that there was much going on then. still a long time away for the personal computer, phones were the size of bricks, and wireless was a pipe dream. i mean, think about it. to launch into space and put someone on the moon 40 years ago was unbelievable?!?! totally unknown to them at the time?!?! makes you wonder why we are not farther then we are now. 40 years later, with all the technology, one would think that we would have extended our reach a bit.

edit: apollo 13 has been airing quite a bit. i too am amazed that those guys made it home?!?!?

[Exitspeed]

i am not so much in awe of the general landing on the moon, i am shocked at when we did it. in the terms of technology, i don't think that there was much going on then. still a long time away for the personal computer, phones were the size of bricks, and wireless was a pipe dream. i mean, think about it. to launch into space and put someone on the moon 40 years ago was unbelievable?!?! totally unknown to them at the time?!?! makes you wonder why we are not farther then we are now. 40 years later, with all the technology, one would think that we would have extended our reach a bit.

edit: apollo 13 has been airing quite a bit. i too am amazed that those guys made it home?!?!?

I agree. I'm really not one to buy into conspiracy theories but in the case of the moon landing the few things that have been pointed out sure make it seem like it was fake.

[Moparjim]

I also am not a big conspiracy nut, but find a lot of things about it hard to believe... The thing was the size of a washing machine lol, with the same technology as a 60's car basically - powered by lead acid batteries in serious sub freezing temps for example... Not to mention I find it hard to believe they "erased the original tape so they could reuse it" lmao resulting in the a new "cleaned up" tape being made from 4 other sources....

I'm pretty sure the tape of the moon landing would have been stored in the "DO NOT ERASE EVER FOR ANY REASONS CONTAINS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN HUMAN HISTORY" pile, not to mention have had numerous backup copies made.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

I agree. I'm really not one to buy into conspiracy theories but in the case of the moon landing the few things that have been pointed out sure make it seem like it was fake.

Well....i do not think that it was faked, and that was not the point of my post. my point was: i find it truly amazing that at a time when a battery operated smoke detector was a "new invention" we were able to land someone on the moon.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

I also am not a big conspiracy nut, but find a lot of things about it hard to believe... The thing was the size of a washing machine lol, with the same technology as a 60's car basically - powered by lead acid batteries in serious sub freezing temps for example... Not to mention I find it hard to believe they "erased the original tape so they could reuse it" lmao resulting in the a new "cleaned up" tape being made from 4 other sources....

I'm pretty sure the tape of the moon landing would have been stored in the "DO NOT ERASE EVER FOR ANY REASONS CONTAINS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN HUMAN HISTORY" pile, not to mention have had numerous backup copies made.


don't you think that with the technology we have now, that we would have been able to determine if it was fake though?!?! not trying to start an argument, i just think that if it were fake, we would have figured it out. not to mention, someone would have talked by now IMO?!?!

[Exitspeed]

Well....i do not think that it was faked, and that was not the point of my post. my point was: i find it truly amazing that at a time when a battery operated smoke detector was a "new invention" we were able to land someone on the moon.

Ic. Yeah those are the things that make me skeptical.

[PureSound15]

I've always been skeptical as well. Can you imagine being one of the dudes that was shot into space into that tin can with terrible communication, relying on un-proven math and theories based on... theory.

"Bye honey, realistically I'm never going to see you again. But I'm going to try to land on that rock way the fuck out in space, and then come back to the same spot on earth. Wish me luck."

[subliminal1284]

I dont believe it was faked, extremely difficult yes but not impossible. Todays technology would have just made it alot easier since we could have computers do all the calculations instead of doing them in your own head.

[supra213]

This was an awesome post. Thanks for putting it up.

[05caddyext]

The Chinese still believe we faked the moon landing. They have stated several times, along with people that worked for Nasa, that we still wouldn't be able to do it today...

[subliminal1284]

We for sure could do it today

[TheRX7Project]

I've always been skeptical as well. Can you imagine being one of the dudes that was shot into space into that tin can with terrible communication, relying on un-proven math and theories based on... theory.

"Bye honey, realistically I'm never going to see you again. But I'm going to try to land on that rock way the fuck out in space, and then come back to the same spot on earth. Wish me luck."

You gotta remember though, this was during a time when people had trust in God and Country... and would do anything for either.

I honestly don't know what to think. Is it possible we actually went to the moon? Sure, I suppose.
Is it possible we didn't, however we needed some kind of propaganda to keep the rest of the world on it's toes, in awe of what America can do?

[domokun]

I PERSONALLY think it was faked. many things from video to communication that throw it way off

shadows are inconsistent. audio transit time was only about half a second...40 years ago...right..... I could go on.


but I have conspiracies on a lot of things *shrugs*

[subliminal1284]

Considering radio waves travel at the speed of light and the moon is relatively close to us there wouldnt be much of a delay.

[Moparjim]

Yes but how much power and how big of an antenna would be required to transmit that far? All powered by car batteries which are also powering all the life support and heaters and everything else in the little port a potty sized "ship"...

What's the temp in space? - -455 degrees in space. Near Earth or on the moon it can vary from -250 degrees, to +250 degrees.

I find it hard to believe that a port a potty wrapped in tinfoil provided insulation enough for humans and all the 60's vintage equipment to withstand and keep working in those extremes, again powered by lead acid car batteries. Ever try to start your car in minus 30 degree weather let alone -250 or -455??? How much power does it take to cool the suits and the ship when they were in the sun at +250?

There are a lot of hard to believe technical questions...

[Moparjim]

Ok I am exaggerating about the port a potty size but it was still pretty small for a couple of dudes plus all the equipment - the whole thing was around 20 ft tall by 14 feet diameter - the part with the people in it is probably roughly 10 ft tall by 14 feet in diameter minus however thick the walls and frame and all equipment was.

The batteries I always thought were literally lead acid but they apparently were silver-zinc. Still very small to power the whole thing and all the stuff for days I think, and still susceptible to temps I would bet, along with everything else in the thing.

Descent stage Batteries: four (Apollo 9-14) or five (Apollo 15-17) 28-32V, 415 A-h silver-zinc batteries; 61.2 kg each

Ascent stage Batteries: two 28-32 volt, 296 ampere-hour silver-zinc batteries; 56.7 kg each

[subliminal1284]

Recently they were able to transmit radio waves to and from the mars rovers so I see no reason why they couldnt have done it on the moon 40 years ago.

Also people independent of the government have viewed the remains of the lunar modules through telescopes and satelites.

I could be wrong but I dont think they were relying solely on battery power, Im pretty sure they would be using solar panels to keep the batteries charged.

[shoooo32]

Also people independent of the government have viewed the remains of the lunar modules through telescopes and satelites.


can we get photographic proof of these satellite images? (not a conspiracy theorist, just think it would be cool)

[GRAMPS SS]

http://www.wechoosethemoon.org/#

just about to hit stage 9...


i really wish i couldve been alive during the moon landings to witness them first hand...

damm i'm old...i watched it on tv.....it was on allllllllllll night...


question...if we were the first to land on the moon...and walk on the moon...who took the picks of the first steps on the moon when no other foot steps were there...hmmmmmmm and the reflections in the helmets shield...and then the ever popular....how do you get shadows to go two different ways in the same photo....but that's just an old guy asking...sometimes i forget who i am...

ready for flames from the younger crowd....and i'm sure from HITMAN AS WELL....but i am aloud an opinon here in the free land of the U.S.A....AM I NOT..:thumbsup

[Crawlin]

As for the question of the technology back then...

There are a ton of different ways to look at it. I also look at it in just a broad category. In regards to aerospace and technology... how far advanced are we really? or should I say, how far advanced do most humans THINK we are?

Case in point... F-117 stealth fighter that whooped up everything in Desert Storm. Yet, that plane had been flying for 10 years previous!! That technology in the early 80's when Gm was putting out the crossfire ignition? haha. Hell the SR71 had been around since the mid 60's and no one knows a thing? haha.

I guess I just want to believe that there are a TON of people a TON smarter than the average human that those "theories" make perfectly good sense to because they've spent so much time researching them.

And there is technology we have that doesn't quite benefit the average joe, but it is something that is there, and is understood, by a certain part of the population that allows such feats to happen.

[Prince Valiant]

Considering radio waves travel at the speed of light and the moon is relatively close to us there wouldnt be much of a delay.
It's a two second delay...and many "for tv" footages/recordings edit the delay down to much less.

To me, it doesn't seem impossible that we sent someone to the moon...hard, sure. More factors than I can fathom...certainly. Impossible? Not even close.

There was a show/series on the "hoax moon landing theories" a year or two ago...great show. It took pretty much all the supposed inconsistencies of the moon landings, from shadows, lack of stars, foot prints, alleged scaling problems, questions of radiation exposure, and much more and dealt point by point how the "inconsistencies" really weren't, demonstrating/recreating the effects for all to see.

Of course...I love Buzz's reaction after dealing with a pestering stalking heckler who claims the moon landing was faked:

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Way to be Buzz :thumbsup

[CPonyGo]

Mythbusters has a special on the hoaxs...awesome show imo

[Prince Valiant]

a good site for answering the moon landing hoaxes:

http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

[CATNHAT]

the f-117 stealth was developed in the 70's. look how long it took for that technology to become "discovered".

I am really curious what they have now, if the stealth is 30 years old??

That reverse engineering from Megatron aka NBE-1, is really paying off.

[lordairgtar]

You could get two shadows from the sun and the reflected sunlight from the planet Earth. Also consider how long the B-52 bomber had been in service. Still in use I think from what was a late 40s aircraft (B-47). The B-52 was actually first flown as a turbo prop I think in 1955, then went to jet engines in the early 60s.

[subliminal1284]

Believe it or not they are already experimenting with teleportation. I believe they said within 10 years they might be able to teleport microscopic particles.

[lordairgtar]

"Two to beam up"

[subliminal1284]

Exactly

[Silver86]

christ... i never thought this would turn into a conspiracy thread :rolleyes:

[HITMAN]

You could get two shadows from the sun and the reflected sunlight from the planet Earth. Also consider how long the B-52 bomber had been in service. Still in use I think from what was a late 40s aircraft (B-47). The B-52 was actually first flown as a turbo prop I think in 1955, then went to jet engines in the early 60s.

Changed your post. I was going to point out that the B-52H is still in service and will be for the foreseeable future. The B-52 has always been a jet powered aircraft. A couple of very early experimental versions were powered by turbo-prop engines, but since even before the aircraft became operational in 1955 it has been jet powered.

[HITMAN]

I watched this event unfold on my TV screen. I was eight and a half years old and this is still the greatest thing I've watched humankind do.

As for you doubters, I don't care about any of your stupid theories and suppositions, how about you explain this to me: In 1969, our greatest rival/enemy was the USSR. We were in a total race with them to see who could get to the moon first. Technologically, we were pretty much equals, with the USA being slightly ahead in the whole scheme of things. If the Apollo moon missions were faked, how come the Russians never made a big deal about it, saying it was all a hoax and rubbing our noses in our big lie? They should have been able to prove it, if anyone could.
Time for you conspiracy nut jobs to pull your heads out of your asses... :alcoholic

The USA put two men on the moon forty years ago, today. And I've never been prouder of my country and my species. Now as we slide backward into socialist obscurity, it seems even more incredible what we did back then. What happened to our spirit of adventure? What happened to true visionaries like John F. Kennedy? We are so wrapped up in our own little lives that nobody dreams on a grand scale anymore. Our pathetic need to feel safe and have our every little need met by an ever expanding government means that there is no time or money left for truly awesome feats of human ingenuity, bravery, adventure.... When I was a little kid, I used to think nothing was impossible for us; I couldn't wait to see what we were going to do after we landed on the moon. Mars, the outer planets, the rest of the galaxy... Who knew what was next? After 40 disappointing years, I'm still waiting. "One small step for man...One giant leap for mankind..." Who would have guessed the leap was into oblivion...:(

[Knyghtmare]

Those nerdy NASA guys are smart. Smarter then, than you all are now, and smarter now, than you all are now. So who really knows...

[07ROUSHSTG3]

well i watched the mythbusters episode last night, along with a couple other Apollo specials, and now 100% without a doubt, beleive that we landed on the moon. mythbusters did a great job not only busting, but blowing every single one of the conspiracy claims out of the water. no footprints in a vacuum, flag flapping in a vacuum, slowed down filming to appear weightless, shadows on photos, and even locating the laser thingys that were left by the last Apollo mission.

[That_Guy]

The Chinese still believe we faked the moon landing. They have stated several times, along with people that worked for Nasa, that we still wouldn't be able to do it today...

i had read a book that stated money and politics was the largest determining factor for not going back.

do i believe that we went to the moon? honestly its hard to not see the the details that say we didnt.

[Yooformula]

well i watched the mythbusters episode last night, along with a couple other Apollo specials, and now 100% without a doubt, beleive that we landed on the moon. mythbusters did a great job not only busting, but blowing every single one of the conspiracy claims out of the water. no footprints in a vacuum, flag flapping in a vacuum, slowed down filming to appear weightless, shadows on photos, and even locating the laser thingys that were left by the last Apollo mission.


that was a great episode! Chris the SR-71 had its "official" maiden flight in 1964, the tech that went into building that plane begain well in the 50's!!! Not too hard to imagine where some of that tech might have come from!

[Exitspeed]

well i watched the mythbusters episode last night, along with a couple other Apollo specials, and now 100% without a doubt, beleive that we landed on the moon. mythbusters did a great job not only busting, but blowing every single one of the conspiracy claims out of the water. no footprints in a vacuum, flag flapping in a vacuum, slowed down filming to appear weightless, shadows on photos, and even locating the laser thingys that were left by the last Apollo mission.

Cool. I wanna watch that show.

[Crawlin]

Ok, so I'm off on my dates here and there for planning/development. I understand development is alot earlier than flights, I just assumed everyone would take that into account without me having to say it.

But it just goes to further illustrate my point that there is alot of technology out there that is far beyond what the average joe can comprehend or understand, or even be told about in the first place.

[HITMAN]

well i watched the mythbusters episode last night, along with a couple other Apollo specials, and now 100% without a doubt, beleive that we landed on the moon. mythbusters did a great job not only busting, but blowing every single one of the conspiracy claims out of the water. no footprints in a vacuum, flag flapping in a vacuum, slowed down filming to appear weightless, shadows on photos, and even locating the laser thingys that were left by the last Apollo mission.

It doesn't matter. The truly mind blown, kool-aid drinking, conspiracy theory wackos out there will never be convinced, no matter how much evidence to the contrary is put in front of them. I wonder how many here actually believe that 9/11 was an inside job created by the Bush administration to gin up the fear level in the country so they could take more control? How about the Free Masons all being instruments of the Illuminati, Satan and the Anti-Christ? :rolf

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[Korndogg]

thank you for posting that link

[lordairgtar]

You are right Hitman, I did change the post. The first entry was relying on memory and then I went and read some stuff online and had to change the dis-information. Sorry!