Beeyond Engineering/King Motorsports

[Guteman]

I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experiences with Beeyond Engineering and King Motorsports. Thought you motor heads (in which I respect) might get a kick out of seeing this...

http://www.wishoc.com/index.php?topic=2157.0

[Guteman]

Also, feel free to forward this message to other local car forums.

[Ricky Bobby]

damn another thread

[BigSnailBuick]

Hahaha I let the dsm thing slide but really bee... please tell me that welding job didnt actually come out of your shop:rolf:rolf First time welders do a better job that that OMG look at that welding job :rolf:rolf:rolf :wow

[badass88gt]

Why are you wanting to remain anonymous?

[animal]

http://iamdavidberry.com/exhaust/IMG_2334.JPG

LOL looks like the toilet after i'm done with it :rolf

[BigSnailBuick]

Why are you wanting to remain anonymous?

I also felt the same way...dude if that is what they did to your exhaust you shouldnt be remotely afraid to let us know who you are, we all know eachother in some way, shape or form. If that was my exhaust id have a pic with my face in it giving a huge thumbs down :rolf

[Guteman]

Why are you wanting to remain anonymous?

No reason, really. I said somewhat. I guess I wont be for long. For the past week I've left my laptop in my car showing as many car people as I know. Now I will carry a few pipes in my car when hanging out.

[animal]

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13


*EDIT* 1 minute later 16. :rolf

word travels fast here at bcm.

[BlackLightning]

That welding is hilarious. That is right up there with some of the ones in the worst fabrication thread on honda-tech. You should add it to there.

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2208405&highlight=worst

[Exitspeed]

That is hilarious! I guess not really for you, but that someone actually charged someone for that is terribly hilarious. I'm passin this on to Zilvia. They'll LOVE those welds.

[Yooformula]

wow....just wow! BUT that new exhaust and those welds are fukking sweet!

[88Nightmare]

WOW, thats all I can say to those pics

[Exitspeed]

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/266615-top-notch-welding.html#post2907655

[Guteman]

That welding is hilarious. That is right up there with some of the ones in the worst fabrication thread on honda-tech. You should add it to there.

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2208405&highlight=worst

Thank you, posted there. I wonder if I win a prize?

[badass88gt]

I am anxiously awaiting the response from the people at Beeyond.

Should we start a pool on what the excuse will be? I'm going with the "former employee line", the one where he is no longer with us.

[juicedimpss]

wow....just wow! BUT that new exhaust and those welds are fukking sweet!

yeah,the new stuff looks like a nice setup for sure.
:thumbsup

[88Nightmare]

I am anxiously awaiting the response from the people at Beeyond.

last time all they did was dazzle us with some fancy words

[BigSnailBuick]

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/266615-top-notch-welding.html#post2907655

Hahahaha first response is sonic the hedgehog catback :rolf:rolf

[Exitspeed]

Hahahaha first response is sonic the hedgehog catback :rolf:rolf

Zilvia is gonna eat this shit up. Beyond better not try to get into 240's. :rolf

[HY35F2T]

arent you the same guy from b4?

[Z Speed]

theres some explaining to do on that one cause I had exhaust work done by them and so has my brother and its nothing like that. its nice tig welds just like kings

[HY35F2T]

theres some explaining to do on that one cause I had exhaust work done by them and so has my brother and its nothing like that. its nice tig welds just like kings
thats what i was gonna say ive seen ALOT of there other customer stuff and it wasnt like that at all.Hmmmm

(and in no way does bee support my build or pay for my ecko clothing.Just so ppl dont think im on someones side)

[Guteman]

I even have the original receipt with Simons handwriting all over it, misspellings and all.

http://iamdavidberry.com/exhaust/P7100001.JPG

[Guteman]

yeah,the new stuff looks like a nice setup for sure.
:thumbsup


wow....just wow! BUT that new exhaust and those welds are fukking sweet!

Sounds much better too for a 4 banger turbo :)

[88Nightmare]

I lol'd @: Cutomer's request - leave the heatwrap


cutomer huh?

[animal]

I lol'd @: Cutomer's request - leave the heatwrap


cutomer huh?

Dude, How could you lol at 'cutomer' and ignore 'mischallanus'? :goof

I hope i never break any mischallanus parts, I'd defienitty be contractually obligated to reach someone if i did.

[Exitspeed]

Beyond Engineering

Wear the Cutomer is always write!


Dude, How could you lol at 'cutomer' and ignore 'mischallanus'? :goof

If you can't spell missleanus then just abbreviate it "misc." for crying out loud.

It's amazing how many stories I hear about this place. I wanna know who there has an engineering degree.

[Rocket Power]

Dude, How could you lol at 'cutomer' and ignore 'mischallanus'? :goof

I hope i never break any mischallanus parts, I'd defienitty be contractually obligated to reach someone if i did.
Is the mischallanus somewhere on the backside?:goof

[animal]

Is the mischallanus somewhere on the backside?:goof

It appears it's located right under the checkbox for flushing the rearend. :rolf

[animal]

I even have the original receipt with Simons handwriting all over it, misspellings and all.

On the bright side... you only ordered Qty 1. Were you to have an 8 cylinder, you could have two poop pipes on your hands. :goof

Sorry to joke about your experience. There's just too much humor in this thread.

Note: i do want to hear the other side though. Hopefully they will post.

[FourEyedFord]

Beyond Engineering

If you can't spell missleanus then just abbreviate it "misc." for crying out loud.

I don't mean to be a dick, but its miscellaneous. Whatever a missle-anus is, it sounds bad, lol.

Seriously, I just thought I would post the correct spelling. Google helped me. :thumbsup

[Feature Pony]

OMG I think I pissed my pants looking at those welds. LMAO

[HY35F2T]

I don't mean to be a dick, but its miscellaneous. Whatever a missle-anus is, it sounds bad, lol.

Seriously, I just thought I would post the correct spelling. Google helped me. :thumbsup

LMFAO missleanus .

Seriously i suck at spelling but come on this is a shop that hand writing looks like something my cat would do if he had a thumb.Thats bad.

[GTSLOW]

Beyond Engineering

Wear the Cutomer is always write!




Fucking priceless :rolf

http://moonbeammcqueen.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hackett55.jpg

[agent orange acr]

wow, the spelling, the welds. too funny

[pOrk]

Add tax evasion onto the list of Beyond fuckups

[Flicktitty]

Add tax evasion onto the list of Beyond fuckups

:stare O RLY?

[michelle]

:stare O RLY?

According to that receipt, I don't see tax listed.

[Moparjim]

No sales tax on labor.

[tommyt5078]

Picture in post 24 show the date as June 13 07................It 09' :wow





Thank you, posted there. I wonder if I win a prize?


Prize would be shit starter.................Maybe at least until I here the other side of the story!!!!!

[Exitspeed]

I don't mean to be a dick, but its miscellaneous. Whatever a missle-anus is, it sounds bad, lol.

Seriously, I just thought I would post the correct spelling. Google helped me. :thumbsup

I know. It was part of the joke. Get it missle-anus.

[michelle]

No sales tax on labor.

Did he supply his own materials? I skipped around in the thread.

[whitehatch]

it was on your baller ass 95 saab for over a year before you noticed?

i have had beeyond fabricated parts on my car and they looked nothing like that..... idk maybe they let simon try weldin it...

[whitehatch]

and anyone who starts a topic with "hello v-tec friends" deserves to get slapped.

[Goat Roper]

I am ignorant to the relationship between King and Beeyond but FTR my neighbor is incredibly happy with what King did with his turbo and engine build on his Civic.

Beyond that I know nothing.

[pOrk]

No sales tax on labor.

Really? My bad then:alcoholic


I am ignorant to the relationship between King and Beeyond but FTR my neighbor is incredibly happy with what King did with his turbo and engine build on his Civic.

Beyond that I know nothing.

I THINK this was a comparison thread between beyonds poop weld job and kings minty weld job.

[Guteman]

it was on your baller ass 95 saab for over a year before you noticed?

i have had beeyond fabricated parts on my car and they looked nothing like that..... idk maybe they let simon try weldin it...

Yes it was on my baller ass saab for two years before I noticed. :thumbsup

[tommyt5078]

Yes it was on my baller ass saab for two years before I noticed. :thumbsup


It doesn't add up then, who pays for something done to thier car and doesn't look at the QA of the work?



If this was done last month and not two years ago I wouldn't even post in this thread, but it was done two years ago and your going to start Chit with them now, come on man get real.............................

[Brian98GTP]

It doesn't add up then, who pays for something done to thier car and doesn't look at the QA of the work?



If this was done last month and not two years ago I wouldn't even post in this thread, but it was done two years ago and your going to start Chit with them now, come on man get real.............................

Come on..... those welds are DEFINITELY post worthy, whether they were done 10 years ago, or 10 minutes ago.

[tommyt5078]

Come on..... those welds are DEFINITELY post worthy, whether they were done 10 years ago, or 10 minutes ago.



So so true, but the ? now is who did them?

[Guteman]

It doesn't add up then, who pays for something done to thier car and doesn't look at the QA of the work?



If this was done last month and not two years ago I wouldn't even post in this thread, but it was done two years ago and your going to start Chit with them now, come on man get real.............................

Considering that I never saw these welds until the exhaust was taken apart, yes I will bring it up 2 years later. These welds were in the back top portion of the exhaust. The only way to really see them is by taking the exhaust apart. To me, this is new news and its not like these welds were any better two years ago. Any shop that lets a product go out like this deserves it. Not saying anything (which is usually the type of person I am) would just make them feel like they got away with it. I hope Beeyond will think twice before they let shit like this leave their shop. I have no problem talking to Simon or Bee about this situation. I'm not stomping around like I am going to burn the shop down. It it what it is and I'm just laying out the facts.

[Guteman]

So so true, but the ? now is who did them?

What more proof do I need? I have the sales receipt. Want me to get them on Maury to do a lie detector test? Jebus :)

[Guteman]

Ugh I wish I could delete posts here. Maybe you were asking whom did them, as in which worker. My bad.

[Brian98GTP]

So so true, but the ? now is who did them?

As someone posted before.... I'd guess that it was a 'new employee' at the time, or summer help or something. The guy probably lied about being able to weld, boogered this weld job up, was afraid to say anything in fear of losing his job, and let it slip out the door without anyone checking his work.

That would be about the only 'logical' explaination to me..... but ironically, it would also be about the best lie one could come up to cover up this hack job, LOL.

[Guteman]

Heres the weird thing. I took the car to Beeyond about a week before they did any work. Bee was the one who look at and quoted me on the exhaust. I specifically remember asking if Bee was doing the fab work and he said yes. I seriously doubt that Bee did the work. Even if somebody else did it its still a Beeyond product and I am not the first person whom received poor quality from this shop.

[0TransAm0]

that sucks dude... im still wondering if the will respond to this one..

[88Nightmare]

i have had beeyond fabricated parts on my car and they looked nothing like that..... idk maybe they let simon try weldin it...

oddly enough the welds bear a striking similarity to his handwriting :rolf

[Adam Brooks]

ROFL ive been off this site for a while but fn a not surprised. Bee's guys used to steal cars for parts... they stole a friend of mines back in 99 or 2000. whatever happened w/ that SP performance guy. they're on the same level imo

king is also ROFL. Whats his nuts wanted to sue me for expressing my opinion if their shop on the internet years ago for "slander" although "libel" was the term he was looking for. They boosted a car, it went boom... god forbid you say something about it. However, those welds are much improved over Bee's. Looks like they magnetized your pipe and threw shit at it.

[DRK]

Looks like they magnetized your pipe and threw shit at it.

:rolf Quote of the thread :rolf

I just spewed soda out my nose

[Guteman]

I've got one of the pipes in my Saab. I'm usually hanging out at Culvers on nicer weekends. I'm prolly the only guy on H100 with a black Saab. Pictures don't do the justice. Holding/feeling it in person is priceless. I think I'm going to take some of the left over pieces and make something out of it. Ideas?

[Adam Brooks]

basically what you already have is this
https://www.fallingpixel.com/products/11520/mains/000-3d-model-mace_01.jpg

Use it to get your $300 back

[Sprayaway Fox]

Dont be mad cause your shits faster than what you thought:goof

[Guteman]

and anyone who starts a topic with "hello v-tec friends" deserves to get slapped.

Okay. Tough guy.

[SmokinRAM114]

OMFG! they must have ran out of gas in teh mig welda. n the new stainless tig job looks good.

[Al]

Matt Mogua (sp) works at King, right?

[Car Guy]

I think I'm going to take some of the left over pieces and make something out of it. Ideas?

Make a necklace out of it just like Flava-flav did with the clock......:goof

[lordairgtar]

Take those Bee parts and make a trophy for the next car show and award it to "The Most Screwed Up Engineered Car"

[badass88gt]

. Looks like they magnetized your pipe and threw shit at it.

I dont know what made me laugh harder, the welds, the spelling, or this quote. +1 for you Sir.



Ohhhh Beeeeee, where are youuuuu????? I can not wait to here their, or is it there side of this?

[Reverend Cooper]

holy shit,thats gotta be the worst welding ive ever fucking seen!!!!! who the fuck lets that shit outta their shop?

[97z2801ss]

hahaha I read in one of the threads " did micheal J fox, do those welds" anyways y is it we have heard alot of BS from that shop over the years

[BoosTT]

Bee??? Can't defend this one, huh?

[BlackLightning]

" did micheal J fox, do those welds"

:D

http://www.racers-edge.org/beeyondwelding.jpg

[97z2801ss]

:D

http://www.racers-edge.org/beeyondwelding.jpg

its not right but

:rolf:rolf:rolf

[lordairgtar]

Bee??? Can't defend this one, huh?
They do cut nice holes in the rear bumpers of Hondas, though!:D

[Rocket Power]

Wow I am not a good welder and my stuff doesn't look that bad. Looks like birdcrap and cat wiskers

[Nix]

go get yout money back. it looks like a pile of petrified fecal matter

[URLOZIN]

I've never welded a thing in my life, but I know I can do better than that. Hell when my bro was like 16 he was welding way better than that.

[nismodave]

:D

http://www.racers-edge.org/beeyondwelding.jpg



Where is Dirty Max?

[Guteman]

go get yout money back. it looks like a pile of petrified fecal matter

Considering I found this two years later, I dont think I have any right to go demanding a refund. I'm just here to warn people of what can possibly come out of this shop. Will they lose business? Probably. Will it be my fault? No way. There's no way Beeyond did any welding on the bench. What they pretty much did was hold the exhaust up and let some other dude try and weld it. That's the definition of a hack job in my book.

[70 cutlass 442]

They do cut nice holes in the rear bumpers of Hondas, though!:D

:rolf

[Firefighter Z]

My friend has his civic built/ worked on and still working on it by beeyond... My friend dropped around 10k into have a built motor B16A with a T3/T4 turbo had it at 2psi for the first hundred or so miles you get close to a certain rev point and the car would die...

Weeks later, turned up the psi to 14psi I believe, took it to GLD and ran 12.4's to 12.7's on street tires and wheel hop.

Today, cranked up the boost to somewhere around 20psi and ran between 14.2 to 14.7 in the quarter with wheel hop... I laughed my ass off when he told me that and I said you should of bought either a Fox or Fbody and you could possibly be running low 11's right now with all the money you put into the civic.

His excuse was that he had wheel hop and suspension work and also needs slicks, I said you had the same setup as before but running @ 14psi, there are no excuses.

[Exitspeed]

Ironically I welded for the first time about a half hour ago. Seems I'm a natural.

Now thinking about these pics...I don't even understand how that could even happen?

Was it a joke or something?

[pOrk]

Exitspeed, by looking at those welds the wire speed was too high, not enough heat and possibly tried to weld it flux core cause it sure doesn't look like much gas was used.

[Lash]

Exitspeed, by looking at those welds the wire speed was too high, not enough heat and possibly tried to weld it flux core cause it sure doesn't look like much gas was used.


It looks like flux core to me...lol. Apparently gas rigs are too expensive :rolf
Probably would have looked better it they would have stick welded it.:durr



Those are some nice looking TIG welds on the new set-up though.

[SSLEVO]

I have a cheap 300 lincoln flux core welder and it does exhaust and any thing else just fine. Doesn't look as pretty as a tig weld but pretty much the same as a proper mig weld.

My guess is he was using some flux core with the wire speed set for mig welding with a much smaller wire. I typically set mine at 1.5 out of 10 with the .035 flux core. Should be able to run it quite a bit faster with a .020 mig setup.

[xFullThrottlex]

haha i welded my daily with flux core and it's a million times better

[micro_machine]

WOW..... I work there 2 yrs ago and still there and I know that's not beeyond's work. Why? Cause I weld there wanna see some of my work and Henry's.:thumbsup

King same old shiet talk. I know who that person at king is anyways always talking trash. He once said how Henry and I weld we cheat. lmao.


Nice....
http://beeyondeng.com/dp1.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/dp.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0852.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0853.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weld6.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weldhenry.JPG

[micro_machine]

.....................

[GTSLOW]

:rolf

[That_Guy]

.....................


those are some great welds..

[Guteman]

WOW..... I work there 2 yrs ago and still there and I know that's not beeyond's work. Why? Cause I weld there wanna see some of my work and Henry's.:thumbsup

King same old shiet talk. I know who that person at king is anyways always talking trash. He once said how Henry and I weld we cheat. lmao.


Nice....
http://beeyondeng.com/dp1.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/dp.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0852.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0853.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weld6.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weldhenry.JPG


Whoever put the bet on denial, they win a Beeyond designed exhaust piece. Yea, those are nice welds, wonderful. I saw those pictures before I even went to Beeyond. So, why did you guys decide to fuck up on my car? Fact of the matter is that it is Beeyond's work. This isnt King shit talk. I am a Beeyond customer (or cutomer) and King customer reviewing my experiences with both shops. No shit talking involved, all facts.

Paul

P.S Learn to put a sentence together.

[Exitspeed]

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/518/motivatorb7ee7e80eccb22.jpg

[WhatsADSM]

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/518/motivatorb7ee7e80eccb22.jpg

:rolf:rolf

Well played

[BoosTT]

:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf

[animal]

:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf

:rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf :rolf = x2?
:popcorn

[Exitspeed]

I couldn't resist. lol.

[GTSLOW]

:rolf

Now we need a motivation poster with that receipt saying "the cutomer is always right". Or something like that. :rolf

[Irish]

I wonder why Bee isn't here defending his company.

[BigSnailBuick]

WOW..... I work there 2 yrs ago and still there and I know that's not beeyond's work. Why? Cause I weld there wanna see some of my work and Henry's.:thumbsup

King same old shiet talk. I know who that person at king is anyways always talking trash. He once said how Henry and I weld we cheat. lmao.


Nice....
http://beeyondeng.com/dp1.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/dp.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0852.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0853.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weld6.JPG
http://beeyondeng.com/weldhenry.JPG

This has absolutely nothing to do with the exhaust on this guys car... Wow nice welds on some other guys manifold woop dee dooo. Those nice welds were not on his exhaust. We are mostly intelligent people here and all know that with some shops extra care is usually taken on a car in for 5grand worth of work than a car in for a 300 dollar exhaust. But his welds were poor to ANY standard. What are you trying to say here that this guy didnt have that 300 bill from bee's shop and hid the actual exhaust he took off that was done there and replaced the pictures with some exhaust him and his friends practiced on??? 2 years later I doubt he went through that amount of trouble to discredit a shop that he never planned on going to again. :rolleyes:

[Guteman]

What are you trying to say here that this guy didnt have that 300 bill from bee's shop and hid the actual exhaust he took off that was done there and replaced the pictures with some exhaust him and his friends practiced on??? 2 years later I doubt he went through that amount of trouble to discredit a shop that he never planned on going to again. :rolleyes:

Ya caught me......... :goof

[HY35F2T]

So you paid 300 for madrels hmm tuffy next time lol.

[MoCkiN U]

you need more practice in tig welding. Your passes arent consistent. On the same piece you have runs that are too hot where the puddle flattened out and on the other side a bead that is too cold and doesnt have penetration with the bead raised up.

http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0852.JPG

If you are going to overlap your welds at anytime especially in start and stop points you are supposed to ground them back so you dont get mountains of possible porrosity (right pipe)

http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0853.JPG

so dont come out there and try to act like your welding is hot shit and you know what you are doing cause that work is apprentice at best.

And yes I have held welding jobs (4 years navy NDT certified welder, 2 years high pressure vessle welder in Illinois)

[Irish]

you need more practice in tig welding. Your passes arent consistent. On the same piece you have runs that are too hot where the puddle flattened out and on the other side a bead that is too cold and doesnt have penetration with the bead raised up.

http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0852.JPG

If you are going to overlap your welds at anytime especially in start and stop points you are supposed to ground them back so you dont get mountains of possible porrosity (right pipe)

http://beeyondeng.com/DSCN0853.JPG

so dont come out there and try to act like your welding is hot shit and you know what you are doing cause that work is apprentice at best.

And yes I have held welding jobs (4 years navy NDT certified welder, 2 years high pressure vessle welder in Illinois)

Owned!:wooo

[BeesTwinEG]

yep my spelling is bad. anyways, bee personally asked you if you wanted s.s tig weld but you said no. you paid 300 for 3' exhaust system and no it was NOT tig weld. How much did you spend at kingmotor sports for tig weld?? that is what i thought
just to show everyone customers manifold built by beeyond "our tig welds"
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd156/1slwcoupe/gt40.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd156/1slwcoupe/tig.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd156/1slwcoupe/s2kmanifold.jpg

[badass88gt]

So youre saying he got exactly what he paid for, that because he didnt want to pay extra for TIG that you guys gave him what he showed us instead? Am I understanding you correctly?

[juicedimpss]

So youre saying he got exactly what he paid for, that because he didnt want to pay extra for TIG that you guys gave him what he showed us instead? Am I understanding you correctly?

it costs extra to turn the gas on for the mig also.
:rolf

[07ROUSHSTG3]

i do not know anything about welding, nor can i see the posters pics here at work, but jeeesus! another thread....really? the thing that i don't get is all the "you had the option" or "bee said to do it this way but you didn't" and the "you told us to do it that way". that is not how you run a shop for christs sake. when someone brings their stuff in for you to work on, you tell them what it is going to take to fix or fabricate it, present them with an estimate, and they either accept the estimate or they pick up their car. if you guys like seeing your name thrown around and people laughing at you keep doing things the way you are doing them. if you guys are going to continue to be a hack shop because customers "tell you to be", then at least start having some of these guys that "say no" to your recommendations, start signing waivers to cover your asses. posting a pic of a signed waiver by these people, showing everyone that they were fully aware that the job you guys were going to do was going to be subpar, would shut most of them up and help you guys attempt to salvage some of your reputation that is destroyed by all these posts.

i mean, is it really that hard to figure out??

[2jzpgt]

yep my spelling is bad. anyways, bee personally asked you if you wanted s.s tig weld but you said no. you paid 300 for 3' exhaust system and no it was NOT tig weld. How much did you spend at kingmotor sports for tig weld?? that is what i thought
just to show everyone customers manifold built by beeyond "our tig welds"


I think you should have thought over your words a little more thoroughly before responding. 'Cause you are just fueling the fire with that response.

[BeesTwinEG]

mockin u.
don't hate because you can't weld like that :thumbsup

[Bee]

yeah complain as much as you want guys. navy certified army certified bush certified whatever certified welder you are, I really don't give a r@ts@ss. i don't see your stuff getting put to use in the real world of drag racing. you might have welded an aluminum boat cause your mr. corporal general ran into a stump in the mekong river, but we are talking here about real world drag racing products. I've seen for myself tons of work done by certified welders' and it is NOTHING compared to our work/weld. Over cooked tig welding clobbered like a mess. I'm not going to name any names or shops since I'm not that way like these other trolls that come in here and HATE on us. Not to BRAG in the haters' faces, but we've had a few old timer "true" "certified" "proven" welders come here and YES their faces drop seeing and inspecting our welds. If you want their names PLEASE PLEASE PM me...I have no problems telling you their names..and yes they are very good welders with proven records. Not some wannabe navy, green beret, police, sheriff welders that just talk the talk and troll the troll on sites.

Remember Beeyond recommends you to come touch, caress, and awe over our welds before your work can be performed. We don't claim to be certified by the president to do quality work, we just let it speak for itself in REALITY and at the track. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[Bee]

So youre saying he got exactly what he paid for, that because he didnt want to pay extra for TIG that you guys gave him what he showed us instead? Am I understanding you correctly?

I'll answer you here. How am i to judge that work... the question here lays it like this: ARE THOSE REALLY ARES??? DID HE FAKE IT AND JUST WANNA TALK SH1T? IF THOSE WERE MADE BY BEEYOND WHY DIDN'T HE LIKE A REAL MAN COME AND SPEAK TO ME 1 ON 1 ABOUT IT? guess there aren't many men in the world anymore.

so you answer those questions before anyone blabbers their mouth.

sorry but we do quality work whether your god believes it or not. :thumbsup

have a nice day................and remember to be a real man.

[badass88gt]

LMFAO, I can not believe these hacks are not only ADMITTING to this, but they are condoning and justifying it, patting themselves on the back and bragging about how great they can weld.

Bee, you are correct. 100%. You let your work speak for itself, just like you said, in REALITY. The pictures show exactly that.


LOL, I can not stop laughing over this.

[Yooformula]

So youre saying he got exactly what he paid for, that because he didnt want to pay extra for TIG that you guys gave him what he showed us instead? Am I understanding you correctly?

I guess that meant that since he didnt want the pretty weld$, that gave them the right based on the price paid to do the shittiest job possible. If he isnt spending the BIG money, its ok to just get em in then out as fast as possible...wow of all the shit I have heard and read, that is the most fuked up way to run a business.

[badass88gt]

Maybe they really did magnetize the piece and throw shit at it? That would be the most economical way for them to do it.

[tommyt5078]

So far I fault the OP 99% and Beeyond 1%.


This could and should have been settled 2 years OP, IMO your 18-20 months to late...................IMO someone is here to start trouble and I don't like it!!!!

[Korndogg]

mockin u.
don't hate because you can't weld like that :thumbsup


He's not hating. Those welds are OK at best. And don't give me that "your welds aren't shit because they aren't used on a drag car" BS either. If the welds I do break, people die.

[badass88gt]

So far I fault the OP 99% and Beeyond 1%.


This could and should have been settled 2 years OP, IMO your 18-20 months to late...................IMO someone is here to start trouble and I don't like it!!!!

You understand, he's not looking to settle anything, not looking for compensation, never mentioned getting money back now, just spreading the word, right?

How these hacks would let anything like that leave their shop, I'll never understand.

[Yooformula]

So far I fault the OP 99% and Beeyond 1%.


This could and should have been settled 2 years OP, IMO your 18-20 months to late...................IMO someone is here to start trouble and I don't like it!!!!

ok even if it was settled 2 years ago or the minute it happened.....THEY STILL DID THE WORK! If you dont want to see shit or trouble being started then avoid it by DOING QUALITY WORK. Quality based on pricing is bs. Dont do the work then if you cant afford to give out a quality product or raise your prices to compensate. Doing bs work then claiming he couldnt pay for better quality is bullshit.

I think Guteman is 99% wrong too, he should have taken his entire exhaust apart the moment he received the car to check over all the welds. Hell he should have disassembled the entire car to make sure it was built right too because why should he TRUST that the shop he paid to do work actually did QUALITY WORK. Shame on you bro! Now you know, next time drop the exhaust to examine all the work then put it all back in and enjoy!

From personal experience I took my exhaust to get some fitment issues straightened out and I explicitly told them to NOT weld my polished stainless exhaust as I had very nice clamps. I didnt think I needed to check my exhaust by several months later I was under the car for something else and saw that they totally butchered my exhaust and welded over my clamps with welds almost as bad as those ruining the pipes and leaking like crazy.

[RanJer]

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[BoosTT]

2 years later? I don't think you would be too willing to resolve this.

I guess when you have something fab'ed you have to specify that you want quality work done, because it costs extra.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

I think Guteman is 99% wrong too, he should have taken his entire exhaust apart the moment he received the car to check over all the welds. Hell he should have disassembled the entire car to make sure it was built right too because why should he TRUST that the shop he paid to do work actually did QUALITY WORK. Shame on you bro! Now you know, next time drop the exhaust to examine all the work then put it all back in and enjoy!


:rolf:rolf:rolf

[Myles]

So far I fault the OP 99% and Beeyond 1%.


This could and should have been settled 2 years OP, IMO your 18-20 months to late...................IMO someone is here to start trouble and I don't like it!!!!

You have the Hep abc and AIDS don't you.

[Korndogg]

You have the Hep abc and AIDS don't you.



:confused

[Myles]

:confused

Don't ask questions that i don't know the answers to.

[Nix]

You have the Hep abc and AIDS don't you.



Buwhahahaahahaha! :rolf

I just spit fries on my keyboard!:rolf

[Myles]

yeah complain as much as you want guys. navy certified army certified bush certified whatever certified welder you are, I really don't give a r@ts@ss. i don't see your stuff getting put to use in the real world of drag racing. you might have welded an aluminum boat cause your mr. corporal general ran into a stump in the mekong river, but we are talking here about real world drag racing products. I've seen for myself tons of work done by certified welders' and it is NOTHING compared to our work/weld. Over cooked tig welding clobbered like a mess. I'm not going to name any names or shops since I'm not that way like these other trolls that come in here and HATE on us. Not to BRAG in the haters' faces, but we've had a few old timer "true" "certified" "proven" welders come here and YES their faces drop seeing and inspecting our welds. If you want their names PLEASE PLEASE PM me...I have no problems telling you their names..and yes they are very good welders with proven records. Not some wannabe navy, green beret, police, sheriff welders that just talk the talk and troll the troll on sites.

Remember Beeyond recommends you to come touch, caress, and awe over our welds before your work can be performed. We don't claim to be certified by the president to do quality work, we just let it speak for itself in REALITY and at the track. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup


Bee, we aren't really talking about the quality of your "good" welds. We are asking why the FUCK did you let something like that out of your shop?

[MoCkiN U]

If he understood the uses of NDT or its true application he wouldnt say shit. lets just say that in vessles that are boiler spec'd like I worked on the base rating is 1200psi. To be able to build and weld those is no simple task and they dont let rookies do it. Call it what you want but the welds speak the language you dont comprehend and its called "penetration & fusion" and by all pics posted those are seriously lacking in places. Just because metal is melted and can make a circle doesnt mean welding has taken place and please dont say that brown snot monster dripping off that pipe is a weld

[WickedSix]

honestly the fact you are attacking mockinu has sunk your battleship imho..... he is a pretty damn straight up guy and doesn't talk sh!t unless he knows what he is talking about. I've never been certified in TIG but ive seen excellent TIG welding from steamfitters where I use to live in California. Hell my welding instructor at Santa Rosa Junior College had Parkinsons and laid down smoother more consistant welds than what you showed in those pictures. Those photos show welds that are damn near undercut. If you think because they've held up thus far that makes them good you are fooling yourself. JB weld can hold two pipes together but is that the right way to go about it? If you really were a businessman interested in representing a good company you wouldn't argue and name call. You state your side of the story and leave it at that. But unfortunately it looks like your nutswingers in their zeal to defend you ripped your balls off...

[Korndogg]

but ive seen excellent TIG welding from steamfitters




:thumbsup

[Yooformula]

Bee, we aren't really talking about the quality of your "good" welds. We are asking why the FUCK did you let something like that out of your shop?

EXACTLY! And your cohort insinuating basically that he didnt pay extra for "quality" makes it look worse for you guys! Funny that he isnt asking for reimbursement because he probably knows he wont get it and it isnt worth it now but being able to show those pics is probably worth it to him more.

[Myles]

Honestly the guy just wants to let people know what he found. He isn't demanding that you guys fix it. He obviously realizes that it was his mistake to never look at it and make a fuss about it back then. Now he is mainly just providing us with extremely great entertainment right now at your expense.

[Exitspeed]

Even if they signed a waiver how could you possibly let a customer walk (drive) out the door with work done like that?

I don't give a fuck if they say, "I don't care how it's done just do it.", to do work like that EVER shows what kind of shop they are. I would NEVER let work that poorly done fly in any business.

You know ho you get customers and you get people to do nothing but rant? Treat the dude that isn't looking for a big job now like he is just important as someone who is having you do the whole shebang. Instead of that dude making you look like a bunch of fuck ups all over the internet, he'd be ranting and raving about the quality and wouldn't even hesitate to come back when he may be looking to have the whole shebang done.

Now though, not only have you lost this guy as a future customer, you've lost anyone in this thread that may have been even remotely interested in doing business with you.

[WhatsADSM]

it costs extra to turn the gas on for the mig also.
:rolf
:rolf:rolf:rolf

there have been some good ones in this thread.

The whole DSM thread I kind of questioned because it was a Very grey area when someone brigs in their own parts esspecially for CL, however this one... There is no excuse for that. Even for $300 I would expect much better, it's a joke.

[Guteman]

anyways, bee personally asked you if you wanted s.s tig weld but you said no. you paid 300 for 3' exhaust system and no it was NOT tig weld. How much did you spend at kingmotor sports for tig weld?? that is what i thought

v-band clamps (2) - $140
3/8" steel rod for hanging - $12.00
hangers - $15
3" u/j bends (2) - $200
fabrication - $300

Next question? And what point are you trying to make here? You think I'm a low baller here and I get what I pay for? I dont recall saying I didn't want tig welded, but I can believe I said no at the time. But wait a minute here, because I said MIG I get the quality in the pictures provided? Sorry, pathetic excuse.


I'll answer you here. How am i to judge that work... the question here lays it like this: ARE THOSE REALLY ARES??? DID HE FAKE IT AND JUST WANNA TALK SH1T? IF THOSE WERE MADE BY BEEYOND WHY DIDN'T HE LIKE A REAL MAN COME AND SPEAK TO ME 1 ON 1 ABOUT IT? guess there aren't many men in the world anymore.

so you answer those questions before anyone blabbers their mouth.

sorry but we do quality work whether your god believes it or not. :thumbsup

have a nice day................and remember to be a real man.

If I were to fake it, whats my motive here? I am the most un-biased person you will meet. Quit denying you worked on my Saab. You know who I am.

Why didn't I come by and talk about it 1 on 1? Simple. I do not trust some people whom work in your shop. With the way the web is these days and the poor quality welds that DID come out of your shop, its just so easy to post a thread about it so people know.


ok even if it was settled 2 years ago or the minute it happened.....THEY STILL DID THE WORK! If you dont want to see shit or trouble being started then avoid it by DOING QUALITY WORK. Quality based on pricing is bs. Dont do the work then if you cant afford to give out a quality product or raise your prices to compensate. Doing bs work then claiming he couldnt pay for better quality is bullshit.

I agree. And if it would of costed more I would of spent the time saving up extra money for it.


I think Guteman is 99% wrong too, he should have taken his entire exhaust apart the moment he received the car to check over all the welds. Hell he should have disassembled the entire car to make sure it was built right too because why should he TRUST that the shop he paid to do work actually did QUALITY WORK. Shame on you bro! Now you know, next time drop the exhaust to examine all the work then put it all back in and enjoy!

R u serious? :confused

[michelle]

I believe that last part from Yoo was sarcasm....

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Even if they signed a waiver how could you possibly let a customer walk (drive) out the door with work done like that?

.

Oh i totally agree, but it would sure help their case more than having their bad spelling receptionist come on here and post up nonsense.

[Guteman]

Honestly the guy just wants to let people know what he found. He isn't demanding that you guys fix it. He obviously realizes that it was his mistake to never look at it and make a fuss about it back then. Now he is mainly just providing us with extremely great entertainment right now at your expense.

100% right. If I had found this back then I would of called Simon/Bee up and had them fix it. Would of I made a thread about it back then too? Probably. When the welds are this bad, I cant help but showing the public.

[Waver]

It is the responces from beyonds staff in this thread that really makles me doubt that they know what customer service really is. To blame the op for not looking over his exhaust, a component that goes under the car, is completely BS. If I have someone work on my car, I expect to get quality work no matter if I spend 50 bucks or 50,000 bucks. With that being said, the remarks "did he rely get the work done at are (I think you meant OUR here) shop" when he has a signed invoice is really not going to fly with anyone with even half a brain......Get a clue, this is the 2nd thread on here in a month where someone has said that you hacked up their car, shouldnt that clue you in that there is somthing wrong at your shop that needs to be addressed? I also noticed that every pic that you guys have on your site or have pictured in this thread is of a honda engine. I guess that if the customer who is paying you good money for work gets screwed if they dont have a honda product, dosnt have a q45 f34 (or what ever the fuck engine designation that honda uses) in their car. You should just put a honda or an acura sign on your shop and say that you only work on these cars, as well as a disclaimer that says if you have a sport compact that is anything other than a honda or an acura you will get fucked

[Myles]

blah blah blah blah

I didn't read what you wrote but stfu.

[88Nightmare]

I'd say its pretty low to be trying to knock Kelley down a peg or two when he served for our country, and obviously knows what he's talkin about when it comes to welding. For Bee to be blatantly mocking the armed forces shows his quality of character right there; thus making him the last speedshop I'd ever go to to get ANYTHING done. I wouldn't even take my junk there for an oil change... chances are I'd get it back and my drainplug would look like this:

http://iamdavidberry.com/exhaust/IMG_2334.JPG

[Exitspeed]

The bottom line here is not how well then CAN weld, it's how shitty they DID weld this job.

They are totally avoiding the fact that this is a complete POS hack job. All the good jobs they may have done do not make up for something like this being done. Period.

[Waver]

I didn't read what you wrote but stfu.

gdiaf myles

[pOrk]

Hey Bee, let me give you a business lesson.

When someone posts a HACK JOB like this, you do NOT try and justify your shotty craftsman ship by saying you didn't ay enough. YOU set the prices, if you are okay with trying to weld an exhaust ON someones car with assface welds as displayed thats your prerogative. But when someone complains about those same assface welds, you SHOULD try to resolve the problem by either issuing a refund or fixing the shit. You did neither but call everyone on a local forum a bunch of fools. Trust me, we already know who the fool is and the several threads recently about you prove it.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

I'd say its pretty low to be trying to knock Kelley down a peg or two when he served for our country, and obviously knows what he's talkin about when it comes to welding. For Bee to be blatantly mocking the armed forces shows his quality of character right there; thus making him the last speedshop I'd ever go to to get ANYTHING done. I wouldn't even take my junk there for an oil change... chances are I'd get it back and my drainplug would look like this:

http://iamdavidberry.com/exhaust/IMG_2334.JPG

i also agree with this post.

[HY35F2T]

i also agree with this post.
x2

[Rocket Power]

I thought the whole point of taking it to someone else to do it was that they'd do it right, it's exhaust not the space shuttle, there's no excuse to let something like that out of a "professional" shop.

I saw MacGyver weld better than that with a battery, jumper cables and 2 nickles.

[animal]

I saw MacGyver weld better than that with a battery, jumper cables and 2 nickles.

That setup was in the opening theme/credits if i'm not mistaken. I never saw that episode but I always wondered WTF they were doing there in that little clip. A long time macgyver mystery to me has been revealed. Thanks! :goof

[Al]

Bee, we aren't really talking about the quality of your "good" welds. We are asking why the FUCK did you let something like that out of your shop?

I'll second that.

Bee, the welds on my exhaust from last year were done very well. If all of your work was like the photo provided, this would be a much bigger problem. If the exhaust shown was a rare event, you should not hide that.

[Rocket Power]

That setup was in the opening theme/credits if i'm not mistaken. I never saw that episode but I always wondered WTF they were doing there in that little clip. A long time macgyver mystery to me has been revealed. Thanks! :goof

I do what I can:rolf

[GTSLOW]

What I've gotten out of this, beeyond charges extra for good welding. Otherwise you get super duper crappy welds that will leak like all hell.

[Guteman]

Remember Beeyond recommends you to come touch, caress, and awe over our welds before your work can be performed. We don't claim to be certified by the president to do quality work, we just let it speak for itself in REALITY and at the track. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Yea, I got that grand tour once before, and yes you guys did some great work. I saw a manifold, looked good. Saw work done on a roll cage, nice work. Saw Simons hatch being built so I saw the DP, looked good. But Bee, would you care to come touch, caress, and owe over the welds you did to my car?

[70 cutlass 442]

Hey BEE, You may want to take the welder away from your guys and give them some of this if you plan on doing more exhaust work..... at least with this you can sand the high spots down and paint over it to give it that "non hack job finish" :durr

http://hardwareaisle.thisoldhouse.com/images/2008/03/03/mightyputty2_2.jpg

[jakedrew]

those are antennas to "tune in tokoyo"


but seirously i would be pissed. I live on a farm' and we cobble stuff together better looking then that.!

[0TransAm0]

i can't believe the way the shop OWNER is responding to this..with all this talk about being a man and this and that.. wtf?? sure doesn't sound like a business owner to me..i will never refer ANYBODY to your shop and i agree with 88nightmare.

[Guteman]

i can't believe the way the shop OWNER is responding to this..with all this talk about being a man and this and that.. wtf?? sure doesn't sound like a business owner to me..i will never refer ANYBODY to your shop and i agree with 88nightmare.

x3 here too. Its kind of sad. I wasn't quite ready to spend the big bucks on a shop I didn't know so well. Case in point, what they did to my exhaust. Bee, your missing out on a custom FMIC, downpipe, manifold, intake, and possibly a roll cage setup for my car. Not to mention referrals. Keep acting like you dont care. :thumbsup:thumbsup

[Rocket Power]

Hey BEE, You may want to take the welder away from your guys and give them some of this if you plan on doing more exhaust work..... at least with this you can sand the high spots down and paint over it to give it that "non hack job finish" :durr

http://hardwareaisle.thisoldhouse.com/images/2008/03/03/mightyputty2_2.jpg

:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf

[SmokinRAM114]

I thought the whole point of taking it to someone else to do it was that they'd do it right, it's exhaust not the space shuttle, there's no excuse to let something like that out of a "professional" shop.

I saw MacGyver weld better than that with a battery, jumper cables and 2 nickles.


I have done this sorta thing with 4 batterys mudding at the pipe line on parts of a driveline of a mud truck. im no welder either lol

Hey BEE, You may want to take the welder away from your guys and give them some of this if you plan on doing more exhaust work..... at least with this you can sand the high spots down and paint over it to give it that "non hack job finish" :durr

http://hardwareaisle.thisoldhouse.com/images/2008/03/03/mightyputty2_2.jpg
:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf classic by J5

those are antennas to "tune in tokoyo"


but seirously i would be pissed. I live on a farm' and we cobble stuff together better looking then that.!

x2 with an arc welder at that!

[Lash]

and don't give me that "your welds aren't shit because they aren't used on a drag car" bs either. If the welds i do break, people die.

qft!!

[TheRX7Project]

The best way to promote a business is word of mouth.

Beeyond, you handled this completely wrong. You came in here and bashed away with the hack hammer. You made yourselves look like assholes, bashing someone for posting work that you did poorly. Instead of apologizing, and assuring everyone that if they bring their car to your shop they will not recieve welds like this, you did the opposite.

If this is the way you treat your customers, wether it be 2 seconds or 2 decades after the work was done, how do you expect to have people come back?

I don't give a shit if you guys have built the fastest Hondas around. Congratulations. If you were to work on my car, the only car that matters to me when you're working on it is my car, and when you're working on my car, the only car that should matter to YOU is MY CAR. Same goes for anyone's car you work on. Do the job right and you won't have to worry about 2 years down the road.

Treat your past and current customers with respect and you will get more customers in the future. Even if it was a single shitty job from 2 years ago on some guy's SAAB that you did at a discount price, you should trat him with the same respect as someone asking you to build them a Honda for $20k. I don't see that here.

[Lash]

but ive seen excellent TIG welding from steamfitters where I use to live in California. ...

If you think they're good....you should see the tinners welds!!! :headbang


:goof

[Korndogg]

If you think they're good....you should see the tinners welds!!! :headbang


:goof




:chair:

[SMOKDU]

OK after reading all this stuff ill get on the band wagon. Bee you knpw that i like you guys and have defended you in the past but this is what 100% of the world would like you to say. so im saying it for you..

either

one. i did not do this work and this guy is full of shit because this is how i weld now. it might not be the best in the world but its better than most

or

two. yes i did not inspect my employees work and this is subpar and not the work i would have liked to see come out of my shop. over the years i have learned to inspect every job and our welds now are above par. i understand how this made you feel as a customer and if i could have inspected it right away i would know for sure we did this shitty job. because of the time that passed i can offer some welding for free up to the same amount and will give you a discount as well. sorry for the bad taste in your mouth and if there is anything i can do as the shop owner call me anytime..

who in there right mind could fault that... live and learn from this....

good luck...

[lordairgtar]

I've done very little welding in my life. I found I do not have the knack for it. Work on your customer relations, Bee. Would you rather have a happy customer whom you tried to make things right with? Or do you really want a bunch of pissed off people complaining about your shop's work, and then you come back and complain about their comments? You obviously have pleased some of your customers, otherwise people would not ever call on your shop for work. Mistakes occur, although I don't know how to explain that weld. At my company, sometimes work leaves that comes back where the customer is not happy about...a wrong measurement, wrong material, or workmanship not up to par...whatever. We do not bash the customer, we work harder to make them happy and stay our client. Try as one might, some stuff will get by the inspection department and will be returned. We consult with the client and check documentation to find how the error occurred and then it is corrected before the next work order. All part of doing good business. I also DJ. Would you like it if a DJ you heard good things about showed at your event drunk carrying a boom box and a cassette tape of the chicken dance. And after you complain, he shows you pics or video of class entertainment he did for someone else? You know that isn't gonna fly. So let loose of your ego and butt hurtedness and take this as a lesson learned. I am The Mighty Lord Airgtar...and I have spoken.

[nismodave]

If Beeyond did do that work, they should do SOMETHING to make it right IMO.

Dont show us pictures of work you have done on other/your own cars.

Make it right, Bee.

[BOSS LX]

Are the shotty welds the only issue you have with Beeyond?

If so, what ever happened to the old days where you go to the shop in person and share your concern?

After two years of never noticing the welds, the first thing you do is make a post on the internet?

While I will agree those welds are junk, I think there was better ways in going about this!

[Guteman]

If Beeyond did do that work, they should do SOMETHING to make it right IMO.

Dont show us pictures of work you have done on other/your own cars.

Make it right, Bee.

The only way I can think of making it right is to never let work like this out the door, ever again, for any make and model. I don't want them working on my car, that trust is broken. I'd like to think that Beeyond doesn't do this to other customer cars.

$300 sounds pretty cheap, but in reality it's not far off at all. I provided the downpipe, flex pipe, cat, muffler, and tip. And the exhaust itself wasn't tough at all to fabricate (just look at "King"'s work). Considering they did the work in half a day and seemed to of used scrap metal, they still made money on the job. I think carelessness played a HUGE role in this whole ordeal.

[Guteman]

Are the shotty welds the only issue you have with Beeyond?

If so, what ever happened to the old days where you go to the shop in person and share your concern?

After two years of never noticing the welds, the first thing you do is make a post on the internet?

While I will agree those welds are junk, I think there was better ways in going about this!

I've got other issues, but nothing as personal as this one. The other issues are a bunch of he said she saids that I take with a grain of salt.

I contemplated not even mentioning anything at all. I am usually the type of guy whom will just suck it up and move on with life. Then I start thinking about the other customers who might get this same treatment. I'm done explaining why I never noticed the welds until two years later. The situation would be been handled differently if I had seen them right away.

If i had gone to the shop I get the feeling the response would be "Woops, sorry, but look at these other welds" based on the type of replies I got from Simon and Bee today. I sincerely dont think they would do anything about it, which would lead me to posting a thread anyway. Either way I dont feel I did anything out of line by informing the public of my dealings with Beeyond/King.

[JaMichaels]

Who the hell takes off their exhaust to look at welds? I could see if you took a look before it was reinstalled but you should be able to trust the work was done right. Don't blame him for not checking his exhaust in 2 years.. There was no reason for him to, it sounded ok and held up, all he is doing is showing Beeyonds craftsmanship. Which is a riot.

[BoosTT]

The only way I can think of making it right is to never let work like this out the door, ever again, for any make and model. I don't want them working on my car, that trust is broken. I'd like to think that Beeyond doesn't do this to other customer cars.

$300 sounds pretty cheap, but in reality it's not far off at all. I provided the downpipe, flex pipe, cat, muffler, and tip. And the exhaust itself wasn't tough at all to fabricate (just look at "King"'s work). Considering they did the work in half a day and seemed to of used scrap metal, they still made money on the job. I think carelessness played a HUGE role in this whole ordeal.


Was the tip welded on nicely? You think it would be easy to spot.

[Yooformula]

this thread has run its course and with nothing more that can be said shy of a verbal war, its time to close it.

[theavenger333]

i miss all the good stuff.....