LOL, I've seen it all now.

[domokun]

now, this team did CRUSH the record time in Unlimited FWD class at Willow with a 1.22.xx

but COME ON, just use a big big front splitter and canards!




http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3034/3586833477_4028042048_b.jpg




http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3609/3586858715_d34efe2af0_b.jpg

[BigBadGTA]

lmao

[Deggy]

Thats got some mad tyte d0wnf0rce y0!

[Silver86]

i really hope this trend doesnt catch on...

[twicks69]

I would rather have Andrew Brilliant's Street-FWD class 2G FWD DSM Convertible.

1:31.267 at Willow.

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Definitely a hellofalot better looking than Chris's car, but unlimited class is all about building the craziest shiat out there and make it work. FAST times for sure!

[Nick]

I would rather have Andrew Brilliant's Street-FWD class 2G FWD DSM Convertible.

1:31.267 at Willow.

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Definitely a hellofalot better looking than Chris's car, but unlimited class is all about building the craziest shiat out there and make it work. FAST times for sure!

lol

http://gallery.wewt.net/albums/boileralum/crankwalk_001.jpg

[domokun]

I agree, but almost a full 10 seconds quicker is A LOT of time!

[Sprayaway Fox]

All the tools, trailer, crew....... for a SCION?:stare

[lordairgtar]

All the tools, trailer, crew....... for a SCION?:stare
A Toyota by any other name........:goof

[xxsn0blindxx]

Not really that crazy of an idea.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-jkl/Lamborghini-Countach-Red-Front-Angle-st.jpg

http://www.podnest.com/images/Susquehanna_4-13-06_1.jpg

[Deggy]

On sprint cars the front spoiler makes a huge difference.

They have some "special events" that are wingless shows, and it's not even mandatory to run a front spoiler at least in MSA, now World Of Outlaws, I have no idea what the rules are. But one of our drivers has been in dirt track racing for years as well as my dad. And they both say that the car gets all squirly in the corners without a front spoiler and in straight aways it keeps the front end on the ground.

[Deggy]

is it just me or does that Scion have some wicked camber on the front wheels?

[lordairgtar]

is it just me or does that Scion have some wicked camber on the front wheels?
Cuz of the downforce!

[domokun]

is it just me or does that Scion have some wicked camber on the front wheels?

you obviously dont know much about racing that consist of turns do you?

most cars that turn left AND right had negative camber

[HY35F2T]

you obviously dont know much about racing that consist of turns do you?

most cars that turn left AND right had negative camber


or cheap ebay coil over kits on civics.:goof

[SSLEVO]

LOL, that is crazy, i guess it works, why not, haha.

[Deggy]

you obviously dont know much about racing that consist of turns do you?

most cars that turn left AND right had negative camber

You would be correct, I know circle track racing and drag racing.

[wrath]

That much camber is ridiculous. I'm sure it just has shitty suspension geometry and the extra 500lbs of downforce is making jest of the shitty geometry.

[TURTLE]

That much camber is ridiculous. I'm sure it just has shitty suspension geometry and the extra 500lbs of downforce is making jest of the shitty geometry.

if it's an unlimited car, i'm sure the suspension geometry has been tweaked for that ride height and that much downforce... time attack is becoming what all the import drag racing was back in the late 90's... i love it! more turn fast parts!!!

[subliminal1284]

That is pretty gay.

[domokun]

That much camber is ridiculous. I'm sure it just has shitty suspension geometry and the extra 500lbs of downforce is making jest of the shitty geometry.


that much camber isnt ridiculous, its needed if you want a fast car in turns. Esp. with that much downforce in front

[wrath]

that much camber isnt ridiculous, its needed if you want a fast car in turns. Esp. with that much downforce in front

It is ridiculous. You don't need 4° of negative camber, maybe a degree or two. We're not talking about 10" of sidewall here.

Further, that inside tire is unloaded. So if it's properly set up then the inside tire would flatten out when in hard cornering.

The thing has so much negative camber it probably eats tires up quick.

[turbogarrett]

Cant wait to see this trend hit the streets! How the hell do you see around that thing?

[domokun]

It is ridiculous. You don't need 4° of negative camber, maybe a degree or two. We're not talking about 10" of sidewall here.

Further, that inside tire is unloaded. So if it's properly set up then the inside tire would flatten out when in hard cornering.

The thing has so much negative camber it probably eats tires up quick.


^^^^^ proof of straight line racer ( not trying to be rude here )


-4 is a bit aggressive yes, but it all depends on the driver and his style, the track, the suspension, spring rate. weight, tires etc

on my evo I ran -2.5 front, -1.25 rear camber, zero toe all around. ( zero toe is key ) on a sprited driven, SCCA, HPDE, time attck. and that was my best set up settings, with my fastest times. BUT it all depends on your track!

my car was FAR from a track only car, so I dont know how you can say "only a degree or 2"

[88Nightmare]

if you are so into this kind of racing, then one would assume you've seen a lot.... including this ridiculous front spoiler

[88Nightmare]

on a seperate note, after googling your handle "Domokun", I was directed to a wikipedia page about a cartoon character named Domokun. At the end of one of the paragraphs, I saw:
Domo-kun is known to pass gas repeatedly when nervous or upset.

[domokun]

if you are so into this kind of racing, then one would assume you've seen a lot.... including this ridiculous front spoiler

rediculous front wing is the first...I've never seen nor has the racing crowd that I know. but everyone has a seen a wing at ground level ( hence indy, F1 etc )

and :rolf on the definition

[88Nightmare]

was that post even english?

[domokun]

was that post even english?


good call :rolf:rolf

I was multi-tasking ( working ) and never proofread it.

but I will admit, that was pretty bad! :durr:punch:

[SSLEVO]

That much camber is ridiculous. I'm sure it just has shitty suspension geometry and the extra 500lbs of downforce is making jest of the shitty geometry.

It's not all that crazy, i bet its about -5 to -7 deg. Hell i run the evo -2 on the street and that's as far as i can go with the factory bolts.

[Flicktitty]

that's pretty crazy, but if it is actually HELPING on a track, why not...

[turbogarrett]

I love having a car with double a-arm suspension that gains negative camber when loaded. -2* up front/-1* rear is considered an aggressive, race ready stance:)

What are the rwd and awd unlimited cars running at willow?

[wrath]

^^^^^ proof of straight line racer ( not trying to be rude here )


-4 is a bit aggressive yes, but it all depends on the driver and his style, the track, the suspension, spring rate. weight, tires etc

on my evo I ran -2.5 front, -1.25 rear camber, zero toe all around. ( zero toe is key ) on a sprited driven, SCCA, HPDE, time attck. and that was my best set up settings, with my fastest times. BUT it all depends on your track!

my car was FAR from a track only car, so I dont know how you can say "only a degree or 2"

I pulled the 4° number out of my ass. It's probably a lot more than that. In that picture the tire is unloaded and still has at least 4° of negative camber. Normally you aim for increasing camber as the suspension is loaded and decreasing camber, even into the positives, when load is removed. Running a metric shitload of camber is just going to overheat your tires.

A couple degrees in the front and a degree in the rear is pretty normal and won't eat tires. Heck, look at all the second generation Ford Explorers with worn out front-ends. haha.... 4-5-6-7... not so much. Usually is a side-effect to poor geometry. FWD cars usually have shitty geometry and a fscked up ackerman angle anyway due to space constraints.

A degree is a pretty large unit... might seem small when looking at a 6" protractor or on a 22" tire... but on a 30" tire a degree is a lot.

[twicks69]

What are the rwd and awd unlimited cars running at willow?

Here are the results for the unlimited top contenders from the race last week (may 31st, 2009 at Willow Springs Round 2

FX Motorsports/Cricket NSX, 1:18.555, Driven by Billy Johnson, Yokohama slicks

Sierra Sierra EVO 8, 1:20.454, Jonathan Bomarito, Hankook C91

C-West S2000, 1:20.838, Tyler Mcquarrie, Hankook C91

Crawford STI, 1:22.097, Tarzan Yamada, Hankook C91
World Racing Scion Tc, 1:22.623, Chris Rado, Hankook slicks

GST Impreza, 1:23.141 Gary Sheehan, Hankook C91
Evasive Motorsports EVO 8, 1:23.300, Tim Kuo, ???
Fontana Nissan 350Z, 1:23.846, Mike Cronin Jr., Pirelli slicks

Street Class Results http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rtard2street.pdf

As you can see, Andrew Brilliant's FWD DSM beat every other street class competitor EXCEPT for one AWD RobiSpec Evo. In a FWD convertible nonetheless.

Modified Class Results
http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rtard2mod.pdf

Unlimited Class Results
http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rtard2unl.pdf

[domokun]

thank you twicks, I was JUST about to get the results..but you beat me to the punch

1:22 is a VERY fast time ( esp for fwd )

1:18 was the best, which was ran by a NSX

[twicks69]

thank you twicks, I was JUST about to get the results..but you beat me to the punch

1:22 is a VERY fast time ( esp for fwd )

1:18 was the best, which was ran by a NSX

Yeah, the FX Motorsports NSX ran a TRACK record of 1:18.555.


For a bit of comparison....the previous overall track record was held by the AMA Superbike 1000cc class is 1:18.9xx. The car record was broken 4 times in the same day when the NSX crushed the others by almost 4 seconds!

Here are two vids of the race -- one overview, and one IN-Car from the NSX:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/FXMD-Billy-Johnson-RTA-09_687335.htm

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Time-Attack_685994.htm