Its nice to see more Car shows are open to any make/model

[awsomeears]

I have noticed in the past few years more Car Shows are catering to any make and Model.

I think its great :thumbsup

[Holeshot]

Cept for us Aussie Owners. Shunned more the a leper

[Voodoo Chick]

And yet......at car shows.....I still see a few people's cars getting seriously ragged on.

[Holeshot]

Sunny You wanna hear trash talk ? Come sit by my car during a show.

[Voodoo Chick]

Sunny You wanna hear trash talk ? Come sit by my car during a show.


Well......how about this.....next car show, park her next to my Camaro, and they won't know which car to rag on first!! Seriously, though, why do they rag on her??

[awsomeears]

I own a neon so you ain't got shit on me :P

[Voodoo Chick]

I own a neon so you ain't got shit on me :P


I have a flat-black '79 Camaro that I refuse to race........believe me, I'm sure she gets ragged on as much as your Neon, lol!!

[PureSound15]

Actually.. I forgot to tell you that flat black cars and neons are not allowed at the BCM show.

Thanks, management.



:)

I kid, I kid.

[Voodoo Chick]

Actually.. I forgot to tell you that flat black cars and neons are not allowed at the BCM show.

Thanks, management.



:)


I wasn't going anyway, so don't worry about it.

[awsomeears]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo

See you there !!!

[GRAMPS SS]

Sunny You wanna hear trash talk ? Come sit by my car during a show.

i've sat by your car at a show...remember...you got complaments.....kangarooo man...:thumbsup

[GRAMPS SS]

i have noticed in the past few years more car shows are catering to any make and model.

I think its great :thumbsup

some places like pistol petes still will not allow late models in there lot...it's not a club..it a group of people that formed it...but after the late modelsers got it going for them...they get booted....there is a place in sussex that is open to all makes and models and years...should turn to be a good show place....but to say what can be in or not...screw that...were all into cars...why not be able to show what your have no matter what it is period,......jmo

[lordairgtar]

I like Aussie cars, I like fflat black cars. Howsa bout flat black Aussie cars?

[GRAMPS SS]

or your HHR flat black with lake pipes amd pin stripped flames....oh yea...can you feel the retro..

[lordairgtar]

or your HHR flat black with lake pipes amd pin stripped flames....oh yea...can you feel the retro..
I can dig it!:headbang

[Irish]

What about flat black vehicles? :)

[Josepy]

What about flat black vehicles? :)

There gay like there owners. :rolf

[xxtremeteam]

What about flat black vehicles? :)

See post 8

[Irish]

They're gay like there owners. :rolf

edited;)

[Exitspeed]

I love flat black actually. But on cars I prefer it on cars that get tracked. I mean that is the whole point of a sh*tty half @ss paint job. You smack something up and it's easier and cheaper to repair. Flat paint on a show car is pretty pointless. That's just me though.

I'm painting my bike flat black though. :thumbsup

[xFullThrottlex]

Shine is fine,but flat's where its at!!!

Also, Voodoo, there are a lot of pricks that attend car shows, but that shouldn't ruin it for you. As long as your car makes you happy the hell with everyone else.

[michelle]

I still had to laugh at the guy who brought his Contour to the Griffin Car Show that had no dash, was a complete work in progress, wiring everywhere, no interior panels. I don't even remember if it was washed on the outside.

[animal]

some places like pistol petes still will not allow late models in there lot...it's not a club..it a group of people that formed it...but after the late modelsers got it going for them...they get booted....there is a place in sussex that is open to all makes and models and years...should turn to be a good show place....but to say what can be in or not...screw that...were all into cars...why not be able to show what your have no matter what it is period,......jmo

+1.

1.) F*** pistol petes. :flipoff2:

B.) It's cool more places are allowing in late models, but as said, you still get hassled for it in most places if not by the staff, then by the other (mostly older) people at the car show that are apparently allergic to "wires and computers laying all over the engine". I got hassled trying to take the Lightning to the Holz show by the guy that's supposed to be directing traffic where to park. Another guy at georgies was saying that late models shouldn't be allowed because they all have plastic shrouds over the engines :rolleyes: Late models at these shows are allowed sure, but there are very few shows that I feel welcome in with a late model. That's the big difference. It's kindof a shame but I don't lose sleep over it.

[TheRX7Project]

Now if we could just get some decent music at car shows.

I mean Beach Boys is fine for the old timers... how about some Rage or Em or LP or 3 Days Grace... hell Evanesence would be nice.

The younger crowd is definately making a showing... and if I hear Little Deuce Coupe one more time I'm gonna hurl.

[PureSound15]

The younger crowd is definately making a showing... and if I hear Little Deuce Coupe one more time I'm gonna hurl.

We're playing little deuce coupe in a loop on Sunday.

[TheRX7Project]

There's bathrooms. Won't be the first time I've puked at the track.

[xFullThrottlex]

+1.

1.) F*** pistol petes. :flipoff2:

B.) It's cool more places are allowing in late models, but as said, you still get hassled for it in most places if not by the staff, then by the other (mostly older) people at the car show that are apparently allergic to "wires and computers laying all over the engine". I got hassled trying to take the Lightning to the Holz show by the guy that's supposed to be directing traffic where to park. Another guy at georgies was saying that late models shouldn't be allowed because they all have plastic shrouds over the engines :rolleyes: Late models at these shows are allowed sure, but there are very few shows that I feel welcome in with a late model. That's the big difference. It's kindof a shame but I don't lose sleep over it.


I'm sort of 50/50 on the topic of late models being at car shows. Sure, I love anything with an LSx motor in it, and would not be opposed to seeing more 3rd/4th gen f bodies, fox bodies, cobras,etc. at these shows, but I really don't want to see any civics, celicas, corollas, etc. as I see both a) a lot of them on the road/highway b) my brother brings a new one to our driveway once a week. Could you say all modern muscle/ old iron at a show but no newer Hondas, Toyotas? I really don't know. Also, i'm really sorry if I offended anyone into late model tuner cars, I know how this hobby is about individuality and I didn't mean to lump any of you true hobbyists with the "ricers"

[dsireme]

I have a flat-black '79 Camaro that I refuse to race........believe me, I'm sure she gets ragged on as much as your Neon, lol!!

I saw your car on Monday and she is beautiful. The way you were talking to me about what people say I expected her to look like a beat up piece of junk and she is far from being that. I think she stands out. In fact when we were pulling up I noticed her from a distance out of any of the other cars there that day. Her color is very rich and deep and she is in perfect shape. That one kid that was there couldn't stop talking about her. He thought it was the greatest car there ever was.

[TheRX7Project]

I'm sort of 50/50 on the topic of late models being at car shows. Sure, I love anything with an LSx motor in it, and would not be opposed to seeing more 3rd/4th gen f bodies, fox bodies, cobras,etc. at these shows, but I really don't want to see any civics, celicas, corollas, etc. as I see both a) a lot of them on the road/highway b) my brother brings a new one to our driveway once a week. Could you say all modern muscle/ old iron at a show but no newer Hondas, Toyotas? I really don't know. Also, i'm really sorry if I offended anyone into late model tuner cars, I know how this hobby is about individuality and I didn't mean to lump any of you true hobbyists with the "ricers"

I think the problem is that too many people see an import and think "ricer" when there are quite a few performance-oriented imports out there. Yes, even Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans...

For instance, on the surface my friend Adam's Maxima may seem like a ricer. It has the external symptoms- Altezzas, rims, fart can... but only once you look under the hood do you see the big honkin' turbo hanging off the swapped-in 3.5L. The car is a solid low-13-sec car... but most people would just pass it off as another ricer.

I feel that any free "cruise in" should be open to anyone (unless it's clearly stated "pre-19XX vehicles only" like McDonalds). Now if it's a pay-to-play event, feel free to set any restrictions. Hell, have it open to only 1979 Chevette Diesels if that's what floats your boat.

[Rocket Power]

I am generally an older car guy, but can appreciate people who work on their newer cars.

I'm not into something so new that the guy just bought the car and drove it to the show 100% stock, I won't talk crap about it, I'll just go to the next car, it's not my bag.

Doesn't take much effort to drive your brand new 100% stock car and keep it clean. :goof

For me going to car shows is about seeing cars you don't see everyday, like 20-30-40+ year old cars, or special/limited editions, Lightnings, Cobras etc. If car shows were filled with new cars that look like something you see 10 times on your way to work everyday, I'm not that interested.

[Nick]

I personally don't believe in car shows unless they are for original classics competing against original classics for the most pristine and best out there. That's true competition.

Too many variables and biases in regular sunday car shows with 50 different types of car makes and models with endless mods to top it off. It's all preference. There is no true standard. They should just change the name to swap meet.

[xFullThrottlex]

I think the problem is that too many people see an import and think "ricer" when there are quite a few performance-oriented imports out there. Yes, even Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans...

For instance, on the surface my friend Adam's Maxima may seem like a ricer. It has the external symptoms- Altezzas, rims, fart can... but only once you look under the hood do you see the big honkin' turbo hanging off the swapped-in 3.5L. The car is a solid low-13-sec car... but most people would just pass it off as another ricer.

I feel that any free "cruise in" should be open to anyone (unless it's clearly stated "pre-19XX vehicles only" like McDonalds). Now if it's a pay-to-play event, feel free to set any restrictions. Hell, have it open to only 1979 Chevette Diesels if that's what floats your boat.


I hear ya. I have nothing but respect for the guys that do these cars right. I guess the type of person I consider a "ricer" is the kid with an unpainted bodykit, underglow, and a 5" Folgers can hittin the rev limiter at every stop light... all while trying to race my 2.2 s10, when I clearly have no need to run em in my slow truck.

[animal]

I was more talking about the standard "cruise-in" night than actual car "shows" that are judged, etc.

The thing I find funniest, I have a classic and a late model, and I end up wanting to take the classic more to late model shows instead of classic shows :goof

[Troutman]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

[Voodoo Chick]

I saw your car on Monday and she is beautiful. The way you were talking to me about what people say I expected her to look like a beat up piece of junk and she is far from being that. I think she stands out. In fact when we were pulling up I noticed her from a distance out of any of the other cars there that day. Her color is very rich and deep and she is in perfect shape. That one kid that was there couldn't stop talking about her. He thought it was the greatest car there ever was.

Thank you!! Her and your Vette looked hot parked together, they look soooo good side by side!! (car-porn, LOL) But no, she's not beat-up, has no rust, and in fact has about 60 % brand new body panels, but people still give me hell about her. I am almost at the point of no longer wanting to even show her, except at Georgie's, simply because I do not have a thick skin, and it effects me too personally..........As for the topic about car show music.....Remember, they are trying to create an atmosphere harkening back to "the golden age" of cars, which was 50's, 60's, 70's.....keeping a long-passed era alive even if just for a few hours. If they played modern music, and there were lots of modern cars there, where would that feeling of nostalgia be?

[xFullThrottlex]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

Yeah, that would piss me off.

[Exitspeed]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

That pisses me off and that is one of the reasons I don't like car shows. As a car enthusiast, no matter your preference, if you can't respect your S30 then I have 0 respect for you.

[84hurst]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

Wow, I'd be pissed if that happend to my car!

As for the shows, it's hard to limit certain cars, without offending someone. I agree, ricers have no place at a show like Georgies, but I've seen them there before. And when I say ricers, I don't mean all imports. Something possibly rear drive (Supra, 300ZX, 350Z, RX7, or something similar), or just a car that's well put together should be allowed. Not the pos's with shitty body kits, obnoxious fart can and owners with backwards upside down inside out visors that are completley incapable of speaking the English language the way is should be spoken. Hell, there was an early '90s Lebaron Convertible there last Saturday. It's only mod was chrome hub caps, seriously. Obviously, he didn't belong there. Maybe they should have a couple people at each entrance filter out the show worthy and the "you have to park in the lot over there if you wanna be here."

[SmokinRAM114]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

:wooo i would probly hurt someone. Im a "muscle car" "v8" or "diesel" person my self but ur car is a work of art.

[Voodoo Chick]

I think "classic" is "classic," whether it's an import or a domestic, if it's, say, pre-'85, it IS worthy to be shown, enjoyed, and most certainly NOT messed with. For that matter, I have had "ricer" kids with their little obnoxious cars come over and be SUPER nice, polite, and friendly regarding my cars, so I feel guilty discriminating against them, too.....places like Georgie Porgie's are just cruise-in shows, for everyone to come and enjoy, show off a little and feel good about their cars.....I would hate to see restrictions there, at cruise-ins, I think as long as you are polite, respectful, and well-behaved you should be allowed to be there. There's a really nice kid I know who has a little old Cavalier which he loves, and works on extensively, he gets shat upon horribly everywhere he takes this car, and that's just not right. He should be allowed to feel "special" too, once in a while. Not saying ALL shows should be "anything goes," but have a few that are open.

[animal]

I would hate to see restrictions there, at cruise-ins,

Cruise-ins + restrictions = solid gold and pistol petes.

[Voodoo Chick]

Cruise-ins + restrictions = solid gold and pistol petes.


Yeah, I have heard that Pistol Pete's gets really crazy with the restrictions......Solid Gold has gotten a bit more relaxed, but they are still limiting years.....What are the restrictions at Pistol Pete's, currently?

[animal]

I don't care enough to know. For me it was the day they invited our late model club to the show, then bitched that there were late models at the show and banned us from coming back. Pretty sure it's like any senile old guys club cruise night... anything newer than 1980 isn't welcome unless you're friends with said old guys.

[lordairgtar]

Now if we could just get some decent music at car shows.

I mean Beach Boys is fine for the old timers... how about some Rage or Em or LP or 3 Days Grace... hell Evanesence would be nice.

The younger crowd is definately making a showing... and if I hear Little Deuce Coupe one more time I'm gonna hurl.
I here ya. As a car show DJ, I would love to mix it up with more current stuff. I don't think I would venture into rap or death metal, but I do like my 80s and 90s music. The venue I'm in right now is mostly older guys who don't like to stray too far out of their "Stuck in the fifties" mentality. I've been inserting some rockabilly into the mix and some enjoyed it, others went "That ain't no 50s song". I get a lot of my music from a fellow "oldster" and his tastes cover a wide spectrum of genres, but I couldn't get away with playing most of them. I don't own any Rage or 3 Days Grace or any of that type, but I would give it a listen. Don't worry, I only play a given song once so Little Duece Coupe will only be played once.:rolf BTW, Voodoochick, I have that Ronny Hawkins song you wanted to hear last week.

[TheRX7Project]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

its hit or miss with some places honestly. SG i wont go to, petes and georgies has been pretty good so far

I've been lucky enough to have no such luck. Then again I keep my hood closed... and what's an "award"?

[GRAMPS SS]

Yeah, I have heard that Pistol Pete's gets really crazy with the restrictions......Solid Gold has gotten a bit more relaxed, but they are still limiting years.....What are the restrictions at Pistol Pete's, currently?

sunny...i think the rule is 20years old...i may be wrong...but i have seen some 1989 cars there..as some newer but they were customized (modded) so they let them in...granted it's a good place to go...just wish they would relax there rules a bit....but the pizza is killer.....:thumbsup

[Voodoo Chick]

I don't care enough to know. For me it was the day they invited our late model club to the show, then bitched that there were late models at the show and banned us from coming back. Pretty sure it's like any senile old guys club cruise night... anything newer than 1980 isn't welcome unless you're friends with said old guys.


They invited you.....and then banned you? No wonder you don't want to go back, that was extremely rude and mean of them. I have heard of a few places doing stuff like that, it makes me kinda fearful to venture to any place I haven't already been to. Still, sorry to hear about such an awful experience.

[-stew-]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: fuck pistol petes. I'm tired of people touting nice drivers and average cars with a handful of bolt ons as "show cars." While Coops car is gorgeous and deserving of the ink it got, I'd walk right past it at a car show. Its just too common for my tastes to be in a show. I think that is the reason may shows want to keep late model shit off the lot. Organizers want a show, they don't want a passer by thinking it is a udsed car lot.

[Voodoo Chick]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: fuck pistol petes. I'm tired of people touting nice drivers and average cars with a handful of bolt ons as "show cars." While Coops car is gorgeous and deserving of the ink it got, I'd walk right past it at a car show. Its just too common for my tastes to be in a show. I think that is the reason may shows want to keep late model shit off the lot. Organizers want a show, they don't want a passer by thinking it is a udsed car lot.

Just wondering, what would you like to see at a car show?? See, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings, or step on anyone's toes, so I try to be nice all the time, but for myself, personally, I love to see the "true" classics at shows, big, old, chrome-covered relics, pre-80 muscle cars, pinstriped ratrods, giant-finned 50's cars.......the really eye-catching nostalgic stuff......But, again, I hate to discriminate.

[Exitspeed]

I think "classic" is "classic," whether it's an import or a domestic, if it's, say, pre-'85, it IS worthy to be shown, enjoyed, and most certainly NOT messed with.

I think a year limit is kinda lame too. There were some great cars built in the 90's. I'd still prefer to see them on a track then at a show but if someone has a 10 sec daily driven Supra they want to bring into a car show I don't know how anyone who considers themselves a car enthusiast wouldn't want to see a car like that at a show.

[Voodoo Chick]

I think a year limit is kinda lame too. There were some great cars built in the 90's. I'd still prefer to see them on a track then at a show but if someone has a 10 sec daily driven Supra they want to bring into a car show I don't know how anyone who considers themselves a car enthusiast wouldn't want to see a car like that at a show.


Well.......a year limit might not be a bad thing at certain shows. Not saying ALL shows......but here's what I mean: I am REALLY into the ratrod cars, and some aspects of my '79 are very ratrod-influenced......do I think she should be let into one of their shows? NO. She IS, after all, too young. That scene is usually pre-'64 cars, and although I would secretly LOOOOVE to park her next to them, I know there is no show that would allow it to happen, and I understand and accept this. I don't think EVERY single car show should be pre-'64, or pre-'85, but it is nice sometimes to just get lost in the past, and here is where the year-restrictive shows are OK......as for just cruise-ins, like Georgie Porgie's, Solid Gold, etc......I really think those should be open to all. Just my 2 cents.

[Prince Valiant]

There gay like there owners. :rolf



They're gay like there owners. :rolfedited;)

Well, since we're on the editing kick:



They're gay like their owners. :rolfedited;)

:goof

[Voodoo Chick]

^^ Fun with homophones. ^^

[Plum Crazy]

try showing up with a late model truck, i some how end up parked by the new mustangs. The mopar guys wont talk to me, the classic truck guys wont look at my ram, the other new truck owners either dont like my truck because its not lowered or lifted. Sucks. But fuckem! i had a guy with a 70s dodge pickup start talking shit to my face about my truck at McDonalds on HWY 20 in Racine, i asked him what his truck ran, he said " 15.5, you wish yours was that fast!" i told him, "uh, it runs a 14.9 @ 90mph" then pulled out the time slip.

[Voodoo Chick]

try showing up with a late model truck, i some how end up parked by the new mustangs. The mopar guys wont talk to me, the classic truck guys wont look at my ram, the other new truck owners either dont like my truck because its not lowered or lifted. Sucks. But fuckem! i had a guy with a 70s dodge pickup start talking shit to my face about my truck at McDonalds on HWY 20 in Racine, i asked him what his truck ran, he said " 15.5, you wish yours was that fast!" i told him, "uh, it runs a 14.9 @ 90mph" then pulled out the time slip.

He seriously started ragging on your truck right to your face!? Wow, I admire your restraint...I think I would have punched him....:chair:

[michelle]

I've never had issues at car shows.....

[TransAm12sec]

try owning a classic import. ive been told to leave, heard crickets when accepting an award (everyone else they clapped for), had people mess with my car. (adjusting fuel pressure on my old FPR, pulling plug wires out slightly).

Wow, I would not stand for anyone touching my car like that. Maybe if it were a friend making a joke, like taking my shifter, but wow.

[Plum Crazy]

He seriously started ragging on your truck right to your face!? Wow, I admire your restraint...I think I would have punched him....:chair:
I wanted to, but he 45-50 yrs old and i would have fucked him up. I just love hearing the ignorant comments from these old timers about how they just put in a cam and they are running in the 15s. My favorite is "fuel injection is garbage, cant make any real power with that"

[-stew-]

try showing up with a late model truck, i some how end up parked by the new mustangs. The mopar guys wont talk to me, the classic truck guys wont look at my ram, the other new truck owners either dont like my truck because its not lowered or lifted. Sucks. But fuckem! i had a guy with a 70s dodge pickup start talking shit to my face about my truck at McDonalds on HWY 20 in Racine, i asked him what his truck ran, he said " 15.5, you wish yours was that fast!" i told him, "uh, it runs a 14.9 @ 90mph" then pulled out the time slip.

Srsly? Dude? Why would any one want your stock truck in a car show? I'm sounding like an asshole, but some one needs to say it. You're shits weak dude. Chinese 20's and a pair of stripes don't make your truck worthy of the real estate it sits on at a show. Your truck there means the possiblity there may not be room for cars much more worthy than you. You are whinning that its unfair that you get pushed to the back, a greater injustice would be you taking the last spot from a car like troutman's Z, ect, ect.

[Voodoo Chick]

^^ OK, we all get it, you like Troutman's car, most of us do, it is indeed a VERY beautiful car, and lots of fun to look at.....but what exactly is it you think is show-worthy?? Instead of saying what cars aren't worthy, what in your opinion IS????

[Plum Crazy]

Srsly? Dude? Why would any one want your stock truck in a car show? I'm sounding like an asshole, but some one needs to say it. You're shits weak dude. Chinese 20's and a pair of stripes don't make your truck worthy of the real estate it sits on at a show. Your truck there means the possiblity there may not be room for cars much more worthy than you. You are whinning that its unfair that you get pushed to the back, a greater injustice would be you taking the last spot from a car like troutman's Z, ect, ect.


my truck isnt stock, i have had alot of compliments and have had several people interested in newer trucks ask me whats out there performance wise and i am more than happy to help. Im sorry my Ram doesnt live up to your standards, but last time i checked, i was paying the bills, not you.

[GRAMPS SS]

stew...i'm taking up land tomorrow with the Queer...whats the big deal...were going as a group and having fun..isn't that what a show is about...except for those trophy hunters....all shows have a little of everything..and the people there go to see a little of everything...
with all your expertise in this...you should be a judge at some shows..i think i can arrange that...seems you know what does and does not belong in a show...dammm all the times i had my Monte SS in a show..i must of taken space from someone more deserving as well....i'm bad....

[Holeshot]

Yeah How Dare you Wayne. Selfish Bastard.

[GRAMPS SS]

Yeah How Dare you Wayne. Selfish Bastard.

hey...hey...it's Old Selfish Bastard......:thumbsup

[Voodoo Chick]

I have worked HARD over the years to make my car have a certain "theme" that not alot of people get.....they will, I suppose in years to come, when the look gets more perfected/exagerated (SP??) but does this mean that she can't be shown, too?? I have done just as much as the "shiny show car people" to that car, such as painting individual screws to give them a scorched appearance........I have paid intense attention to details, and as a result, regardless of what people think, she leaves me breathless.......I've seen Wayne's "The Queer," and that is a damn cool SUV......with plenty personality, lol!! I think whatever you have, if you worked on it, and are proud of it, show it off when and if you desire to do so.

[GRAMPS SS]

alright sunny...i'm with your dear....:thumbsup

[Voodoo Chick]

alright sunny...i'm with your dear....:thumbsup


Anytime you want to park "The Queer" by my cars at a car show, you are MORE than welcome!! :thumbsup Hell, I'll put my lawnchairs in the spot next to my car and save you a spot, lol!!

[Holeshot]

My Idea of a car show is not what the " Norm " Think it should be. I like to look at all the old and new stuff to see what folks do to personalize and make it their own. General commendatory with car people is what makes it a fun show. Take the Show this weekend for Yoosof. Everything and anything will be there. Its about car people sharing stories on what mods they did and how much $$ and who did what. Just cuz its not old doesn't make it not worthy of my viewing.

[Plum Crazy]

Stew, Im sorry i dont have a Fox body. This was all i could afford.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/shoes068.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/shoes017-1.jpg

[GRAMPS SS]

^^^^^^^^ i like it...want to get black rims for the QUEER....

[Plum Crazy]

and if you are not a fan of the 20s, here are the stock 17s i use in the winter

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z28/alexkosterman/shoes002-1.jpg

[lordairgtar]

Sometimes our show car is also our daily driver. For years I drove that 83 Merc wagon through summer and winter, hauled DJ equipment and art supplies to and from car shows. I envy you guys who have such beautiful vehicles that you can store away during the winter. Now I have a two year old HHR Panel I bought new. This one I drive through summer and winter and haul DJ equipment and blah blah blah....The point is you guys have nice vehicles and should be proud of them. Why waste time bitching about the kinds of cars allowed in a show or not allowed. Teamrev, nice truck, I like it! Troutman, nice Z, and I've as much told you in person. You guys are all welcome at my cruise night. I get crap from the moldy oldies (and I like the oldies) about music and cars. The newer muscle guys give me crap about the music too. I get it from both ends. LOL If someone speaks ill of your ride, ignore it. Be the bigger person. I mean, you know what you got under the hood and what it can or cannot do. I like all cars, whether they are old 60s muscle or 50s fin and chrome laden cars or restored to new condition true classics like Duesenburgs and Packards. I like original never touched not so shiny any more relics. I like older Japanese cars like 70s era Zs and Corollas and Crowns. I like recent stock cars that are just well taken care of. Plus you can always organize your own show too, with the types of cars you want and the music you want. I try to mix it up a bit (I did tonight filling in for a DJ that couldn't show) with 80 and 90s stuff. Enjoy and respect it all whether it's some Beach Boy tune or George Strait or Ronny Hawkins or Tupac or Creed or Glen Miller. If you don't like a particular tune, so what. Most songs last three minutes or less, it'll soon be over, get over it. Hmmmm, maybe next week I'm playing Iron Butterflys Inagaddadavida...all fifteen minutes of it.

[Troutman]

Wow, I would not stand for anyone touching my car like that. Maybe if it were a friend making a joke, like taking my shifter, but wow.


yea, i wasnt too happy. the plug wires i noticed right away. (always do a walk around before buttoning it up, and check every plug wire) the fuel pressure i didnt notice till i tried to get on the hiway..car fell flat on its face...almost got rear-ended. i almost contacted the organizers of the event, but honestly what would they do? i just dont go back.

[-stew-]

Just wondering, what would you like to see at a car show?? See, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings, or step on anyone's toes, so I try to be nice all the time, but for myself, personally, I love to see the "true" classics at shows, big, old, chrome-covered relics, pre-80 muscle cars, pinstriped ratrods, giant-finned 50's cars.......the really eye-catching nostalgic stuff......But, again, I hate to discriminate.



What do I wanna see? I wanna see cars with blood sweat and tears poured in. I wanna see cars with gratuitous amounts of work and detail put in. Late model exotics. Old exotics would be even better. I wanna see shit I've never seen before. I wanna see a 1986 Pontiac Gran Prix 2+2. I wanna see an '76 Aspen R/T. I wanna see a '63 Avanti with a factory Paxton. I wanna see a Probe converted to RWD with a 2JZ. I wanna see a '73 Lincoln Continental. I wanna see a Skyline. I wanna see a Foxbody with full GR40 suspention. I wanna see a bagged S10 with a homemade fourlink. I wanna see shit that was dragged from the barns and fields of this great country. I wanna see pristine old '70's jew-canoes that people have a story as long as the car about how they got the car. Rotory powered cars other than RX's. I wanna see a Macho Power Wagon. I wanna see a resto-mod'd '79 Pacecar that once had chickens living in it. I wanna see cars with soul.


I don't wanna see anything I can find en masse on south 27th street, north 76th street, or south 108th street. That includes (but is not limited to): S197's, New Camaro's, New Challengers, New Chargers, Civics (all), EVO's, WRX's, Anything described as having a "body kit", any corvette less than 15 years old (and if it's less than 30 it better be a ZR-1 or have a pair of hair dryers), anything with a turbo on it that was part of a kit, stock Foxbody's with superchargers, four lug Cobra R's, heavily mod'd FWD cars, I don't wanna see basically stock cars/trucks tarted up with rims, exhaust, and some ebay-chinese trinkets being touted as "custom." To put a bunch of bolt on crap on your car and calling it custom is a slap in the face of the greats before us who sweat hours with a torch in one hand and a lead spoon in the other. Frenched '56 Caddy taillights on a '60 Buick, now *that's* custom. Billet AC knobs and tilt lever that you got off ebay (Free shipping); not so much.



I hope this better explains where I'm coming from...

[Voodoo Chick]

What do I wanna see? I wanna see cars with blood sweat and tears poured in. I wanna see cars with gratuitous amounts of work and detail put in. Late model exotics. Old exotics would be even better. I wanna see shit I've never seen before. I wanna see a 1986 Pontiac Gran Prix 2+2. I wanna see an '76 Aspen R/T. I wanna see a '63 Avanti with a factory Paxton. I wanna see a Probe converted to RWD with a 2JZ. I wanna see a '73 Lincoln Continental. I wanna see a Skyline. I wanna see a Foxbody with full GR40 suspention. I wanna see a bagged S10 with a homemade fourlink. I wanna see shit that was dragged from the barns and fields of this great country. I wanna see pristine old '70's jew-canoes that people have a story as long as the car about how they got the car. Rotory powered cars other than RX's. I wanna see a Macho Power Wagon. I wanna see a resto-mod'd '79 Pacecar that once had chickens living in it. I wanna see cars with soul.


I don't wanna see anything I can find en masse on south 27th street, north 76th street, or south 108th street. That includes (but is not limited to): S197's, New Camaro's, New Challengers, New Chargers, Civics (all), EVO's, WRX's, Anything described as having a "body kit", any corvette less than 15 years old (and if it's less than 30 it better be a ZR-1 or have a pair of hair dryers), anything with a turbo on it that was part of a kit, stock Foxbody's with superchargers, four lug Cobra R's, heavily mod'd FWD cars, I don't wanna see basically stock cars/trucks tarted up with rims, exhaust, and some ebay-chinese trinkets being touted as "custom." To put a bunch of bolt on crap on your car and calling it custom is a slap in the face of the greats before us who sweat hours with a torch in one hand and a lead spoon in the other. Frenched '56 Caddy taillights on a '60 Buick, now *that's* custom. Billet AC knobs and tilt lever that you got off ebay (Free shipping); not so much.



I hope this better explains where I'm coming from...


Yeah, it does. I understand what you're getting at.......I understand completely the blood, sweat, and tears poured in part, especially. I cannot tell you how many times I worked on one of my cars for untold hours, hoping, and praying, that something works, or goes well, the indescribable amount of love, dedication, and bonding I feel with my cars, and how many times something has NOT gone well. But....in the end, it's all worth it, and I love to see other cars that have been labored over, as well. They are truly inspiring, at least to me.

[Plum Crazy]

What do I wanna see? I wanna see cars with blood sweat and tears poured in. I wanna see cars with gratuitous amounts of work and detail put in. Late model exotics. Old exotics would be even better. I wanna see shit I've never seen before. I wanna see a 1986 Pontiac Gran Prix 2+2. I wanna see an '76 Aspen R/T. I wanna see a '63 Avanti with a factory Paxton. I wanna see a Probe converted to RWD with a 2JZ. I wanna see a '73 Lincoln Continental. I wanna see a Skyline. I wanna see a Foxbody with full GR40 suspention. I wanna see a bagged S10 with a homemade fourlink. I wanna see shit that was dragged from the barns and fields of this great country. I wanna see pristine old '70's jew-canoes that people have a story as long as the car about how they got the car. Rotory powered cars other than RX's. I wanna see a Macho Power Wagon. I wanna see a resto-mod'd '79 Pacecar that once had chickens living in it. I wanna see cars with soul.


I don't wanna see anything I can find en masse on south 27th street, north 76th street, or south 108th street. That includes (but is not limited to): S197's, New Camaro's, New Challengers, New Chargers, Civics (all), EVO's, WRX's, Anything described as having a "body kit", any corvette less than 15 years old (and if it's less than 30 it better be a ZR-1 or have a pair of hair dryers), anything with a turbo on it that was part of a kit, stock Foxbody's with superchargers, four lug Cobra R's, heavily mod'd FWD cars, I don't wanna see basically stock cars/trucks tarted up with rims, exhaust, and some ebay-chinese trinkets being touted as "custom." To put a bunch of bolt on crap on your car and calling it custom is a slap in the face of the greats before us who sweat hours with a torch in one hand and a lead spoon in the other. Frenched '56 Caddy taillights on a '60 Buick, now *that's* custom. Billet AC knobs and tilt lever that you got off ebay (Free shipping); not so much.



I hope this better explains where I'm coming from...

I understand what you are saying, and i agree for the most part, the only problem i find is you must have a ton of money in your vehicle to show it off(according to you). Im 23 years old, have been laid off for 6 months, not exactly the greatest finacially for modding the truck. So i get a vehicle that i get several compliments weekly with some minor work done, i figure ill take it to some shows, see how it goes. For the most part, people like it. I get tons of questions and compliments. So what should i do? Just disappear until i turn 45-50, and buy a Nova??

[Holeshot]

Stew you have great points, However how many people now a days can actually lead a car body anymore. or even sit down and figure angles for supports, drive shafts or even know what a tubbed car is any more. Most people will find an old school body shop to have major restoration work done. I rarely see people doing ground ups in their home garages anymore. All I have seen over the past several years is classic 1/2 restored cars with tons of shit sitting on top of them in the garage as I drive by. I see it more and more every year. Its a dying era of this and its easier to have a specialized shop do the work you talk of. I am almost 47 and I have helped do a few ground ups with friends. So I now where you are coming from.


The breeds have changed as well as the owners. Its not about how much time you have spent to restore a classic but rather how much cash you have spent to make your late model faster.

JMHO

[Voodoo Chick]

Stew you have great points, However how many people now a days can actually lead a car body anymore. or even sit down and figure angles for supports, drive shafts or even know what a tubbed car is any more. Most people will find an old school body shop to have major restoration work done. I rarely see people doing ground ups in their home garages anymore. All I have seen over the past several years is classic 1/2 restored cars with tons of shit sitting on top of them in the garage as I drive by. I see it more and more every year. Its a dying era of this and its easier to have a specialized shop do the work you talk of. I am almost 47 and I have helped do a few ground ups with friends. So I now where you are coming from.


The breeds have changed as well as the owners. Its not about how much time you have spent to restore a classic but rather how much cash you have spent to make your late model faster.

JMHO


Is that REALLY what it's about nowadays?? If that's case, I'm very, very disillusioned.........and actually very sad.......something has been lost, then.

[-stew-]

Stew you have great points, However how many people now a days can actually lead a car body anymore. or even sit down and figure angles for supports, drive shafts or even know what a tubbed car is any more. Most people will find an old school body shop to have major restoration work done. I rarely see people doing ground ups in their home garages anymore. All I have seen over the past several years is classic 1/2 restored cars with tons of shit sitting on top of them in the garage as I drive by. I see it more and more every year. Its a dying era of this and its easier to have a specialized shop do the work you talk of. I am almost 47 and I have helped do a few ground ups with friends. So I now where you are coming from.


The breeds have changed as well as the owners. Its not about how much time you have spent to restore a classic but rather how much cash you have spent to make your late model faster.

JMHO


The game certainly has changed. You go buy a late model car, another 5-10 grand on on the credit cards and you got a 12 second car. At 19% interest. Never once lifting a wrench, never spending a dime of your own money. May be part of the reason we're in the mes were in...

Goin fast is really easy these days. That adds to the coolness of it, and takes away from it at the same time. (I've concluded I think I might be retarded.)


Some people think because Guy X daily drives his custom/late model muscle car/ old muscle car/cool old custom/ show car/ really nice old car all summer; then that must mean they should be allowed into a show with their nice (but basically stock) daily driver. As they said in the movie "You can't just get in the ring with Ali because you think you can box." If that make any sense to anyone, I think that about sums up how I feel.

[wrath]

As long as it's not cookie cutter and it's clear that the owner has done the work themselves and cares for it, then I'm all for it.

Somebody that has a bunch of bloody money that they throw at stuff isn't really a true enthusiast. Sure, they might genuinely like it but even a really rich guy gets involved in something they are truly excited about.

[michelle]

The people that "throw money" around at their car are at least stimulating the economy! :goof

[TURTLE]

i truly love having a "ricer car"... my little neon runs circles around 80% of the old iron... but if they don't want to let me park my car with the others at the show, but don't have a good reason why, i don't attend the show, and that's that...

people on here know what my car is, what it does, and how i made it what it is.. i don't believe there's a single screw under the hood or in the suspension that hasn't had my hand on it to tweak it at one point or another, but i still get called one of those "ricers" or "import punks" at car shows...

my favorite example was when the culvers just opened on HWY, and BCM was setting up a show there.. i showed up REALLY early to get a good spot, started cleaning the car(as i had just driven it there from oconomowoc) and was asked to move it because it wasn't "muscle"... i asked why... the response i got was priceless... "it doesn't have enough cylinders"... needless to say my car stayed parked right where it was...

muscle is truly a relative term... not playing favorites or anything, but look at the "stock" stats on a fox body compared to say an SRT-4 Neon or a Cobalt SS/TC... the neon and the cobalt are more powerful, stop better, go faster, get better gas milage... now i'm not saying ya can't do tons to a fox, but there's a point where classifying a car for a show is more favoritism than anything else...

i could go on, but this topic really frustrates me as i don't completely understand the logic of some show organizers as to how they can advertise a show as being "all makes, all models" then clearly discriminate on certain cars as they roll through the gate. this is a BIG reason why i don't show my car much anymore, and when i do, it's got the hoosiers on with all my auto-x numbers... my car isn't a show car(albeit i take great pride in how it looks)...

[TheRX7Project]

As long as it's not cookie cutter and it's clear that the owner has done the work themselves and cares for it, then I'm all for it.

Somebody that has a bunch of bloody money that they throw at stuff isn't really a true enthusiast. Sure, they might genuinely like it but even a really rich guy gets involved in something they are truly excited about.

QFT.

I'd rather see a beat-up work in progress than a brand new Challenger SRT8.

Now which one I'd rather own is another story...

[STANMAN]

I've been on both sides of the coin in several points in this thread. I drive a late model, (albeit hardly cookie cutter, I mean we all know I can make the ugliest car this side of the Mississippi:rolf) I have also been on the Turtle side, with my SRT4 (which also puts me into the Troutman side, as people see Neons as imports pretty much), and I have been on the oldie side with my 71 Challenger and 73 Duster. I guess to me I like to see it all, as long as it's not stock, or simple bolt ons that I can see on a used car lot (like a lot of people here have already alluded to) I can appreciate it. I want to see personality in a car, originality, thought of layout. Like others have said, it's easy to have a 12 second car now a days, so it better at least be original.

[ricksws7]

Can't we all just get along!!!!!:thumbsup

[animal]

They invited you.....and then banned you?
In short... yes. Invited a third year so it wasn't like they didnt know our club. We showed, and the day after were asked not to return for no other reason than we're a late model club and they were from then on banning late models(again unless you're part of their ghey little in-crowd). Then during the ensuing forum discussion, the show organizer used his own forum to tell the late model owners we could all go have a show in walmart's parking lot any night of the week and he wouldn't be mad. Pretty classy guy. :rolleyes:

Whatever. I just get riled up whenever i hear the name of the bar itself. They permanently lost a customer based on the actions of that jackass.

I'd quote him saying that for you but their site crashed a while back and all of that conversation is lost.
:mad:

[letsrunem]

I'm not biased with makes- check the sig. Different cars have different stuff going for them. I would have no problem seeing any kind of car at a show as long as someone has put some hard work into it to make it cool. Takes a little extra work in the case of hondas OH SNAP but I've seen a few cool ones as well.

[u_say_go]

some places like pistol petes still will not allow late models in there lot...it's not a club..it a group of people that formed it...jmo


+1.

1.) F*** pistol petes. :flipoff2:

B.) It's cool more places are allowing in late models, but as said, you still get hassled for it in most places if not by the staff, then by the other (mostly older) people at the car show that are apparently allergic to "wires and computers laying all over the engine". I got hassled trying to take the Lightning to the Holz show by the guy that's supposed to be directing traffic where to park. Another guy at georgies was saying that late models shouldn't be allowed because they all have plastic shrouds over the engines :rolleyes: Late models at these shows are allowed sure, but there are very few shows that I feel welcome in with a late model. That's the big difference. It's kindof a shame but I don't lose sleep over it.



I feel that any free "cruise in" should be open to anyone (unless it's clearly stated "pre-19XX vehicles only" like McDonalds). Now if it's a pay-to-play event, feel free to set any restrictions. Hell, have it open to only 1979 Chevette Diesels if that's what floats your boat.


Cruise-ins + restrictions = solid gold and pistol petes.


Yeah, I have heard that Pistol Pete's gets really crazy with the restrictions......Solid Gold has gotten a bit more relaxed, but they are still limiting years.....What are the restrictions at Pistol Pete's, currently?

Cruise-ins are organized by someone or a group of people, correct? It's not just some random parking lot that random people decide to park in on a particular night. There's a lot of work that goes into establishing a relationship with the business owner who is giving up their customer parking, and there's a lot of work managing the event week in and week out, as well as marketing that cruise-night destination. So, if they are going thru the trouble of organizing a weekly event, aren't they entitled to set restrictions as they please?
We go thru this all the time at Pistol Pete's cruise night. The "show" was originally open to pretty much all makes and models. But as the "show's" popularity grew and space became scarce, the organizers decided to limit entry to their core group which is Classics, Rods, and Customs.
There are some exceptions to the rule, which have been publicly shared. Highly modified late models and/or exotics are welcome. By highly modified, that doesn't mean a late model Mustang with a supercharger and some rims.

For those who get their panties in a bunch because they are turned away at the entrance, you are free to go thru the headache of planning your own cruise night destination. If the banner reads "Dedicated to Classics, Rods, and Customs", how can someone get pissy when their late model car is turned away?

[TURTLE]

If the banner reads "Dedicated to Classics, Rods, and Customs", how can someone get pissy when their late model car is turned away?

when their late model is "custom" past what anything else in the lot is... i've seen it happen a million times... nicely modified new vette or mustang with TONS of work done inside outside, under, and everywhere, gets hated on by the show organizer just because it's newer... why advertise that you'll accept them, when you're just going to laugh in their face as you turn them away?

[u_say_go]

which show and who was it that laughed in their face?

[Yooformula]

this whole thread is funny in a way as these reasons were why we started this forum AND why we started our Burger King weekly shows back in the day. It started with fbodies because thats what the majority of us were driving but we never shunned other cars away...in fact a couple of us crashed an import bbq to try to recruit some more members, remember that J? When we hosted our first "car show" back at BW3's we were ALWAYS open to all makes/models and went out of our way to even display all makes on our flyers.

[PB86MCSS]

muscle is truly a relative term... not playing favorites or anything, but look at the "stock" stats on a fox body compared to say an SRT-4 Neon or a Cobalt SS/TC... the neon and the cobalt are more powerful, stop better, go faster, get better gas milage...

Muscle doesn't mean since your car may out perform another "muscle car" that it's muscle, IMO. You're right that its a very subjective term but for most people, muscle means something like a domestic performance V-8 in an older car, generally from the original "muscle car" era of the late 60's to early 70's. Some cars are lumped in with slightly different specs, a Turbo Regal, newer GTO perhaps. Muscle doesn't equate the highest performing cars, obviously....some are, some aren't. Just like "sports car", the overly-used-and-horrible-sounding "import tuner" doesn't mean their cars are the fastest, best performing, etc.

[u_say_go]

that's fine if a club/group wants to include all makes and models, just as it should be respected that certain cruise nights restrict what cars are allowed to park in the designated "show" lot.
Example...a group of Delorean owners find a business that will let them use their lot for a cruise night. that group of guys start up a forum and discuss flux capacitors or whatever it is they talk about. Friday night comes, the lot has 10-15 Deloreans in it and a group of Camaros and Mustangs show up....should those guys automatically expect that their cars will be welcomed? It's not that the owners of those cars aren't welcome......

What happened with the Burger King shows? Why aren't they still going on? And if there are so many late-model owners that are pissed off at Gus's or Georgies or Solid Gold or Pistol Pete's for not being allowed to show their car, why aren't these people taking the initiative to form a show?
Everyone loves to piss and moan, but they do nothing about it....let the other guy do the work and if I don't like his rules I'll just cry some more. F**kin whiners!

[animal]

For those who get their panties in a bunch because they are turned away at the entrance, you are free to go thru the headache of planning your own cruise night destination. If the banner reads "Dedicated to Classics, Rods, and Customs", how can someone get pissy when their late model car is turned away?

My 66 stang has a stock engine, some spot rust, and some mag wheels. My 04 stang has a stock engine, no rust, and some mag wheels. The older car is worth less, is one of 600,000 made, and is just as unexciting (if not more). Assuming i can get into your parking lot any wednesday with the older car ,really all you're saying is "wait 30 years and your newer car will be completely acceptable to us then". :rolleyes: Yeah right.

I don't really care that you limited the cruise night (read: solid gold II), I could care less if you want to form some little in-crowd cruise night and limit it to guys named bob that have blue belly-button chevelles. But to limit it from being previously wide open and then get insulting towards the rest of us now shunned is a little upsetting.

As for setting up my own show. There's no need, cause there's still luckily plenty of places we can all go that let car guys, even young ones, get together with their cars, regardless of what year car they drive.

[Yooformula]

What happened with the Burger King shows? Why aren't they still going on?

our shows stopped due to the location going out of business then it became too much work for some of us to promote a weekly get together at some of the locations due to how far some were for the main crowds.

[GTSLOW]

Is that BK still closed?

[Karps TA]

Doesn't even exist. It was torn down and now a bank.

Muskego has 2 other shows though. 1 at Jet/Dairy Queen off of Moorland and Janesville on Thursday nights which looks to be an anything goes show. And Muskego Gateway is trying to get a Friday night show off the ground. They are just south of 43 on Racine Ave (which is closed and will likely hurt the show this year). Gateway is a cool place though. Great bar and pool hall with a kids arcade as well.

[lordairgtar]

Gateway had a decent turnout last Friday. About 12 cars. Not a lot but it seems to be growing. I filled in for the regular DJ as he had an accident. Do try the place. Like karps said, pool hall, bar, arcade, souvenir shoppe and a lunch counter. what more could you want.

[PB86MCSS]

My 66 stang has a stock engine, some spot rust, and some mag wheels. My 04 stang has a stock engine, no rust, and some mag wheels. The older car is worth less, is one of 600,000 made, and is just as unexciting (if not more). Assuming i can get into your parking lot any wednesday with the older car ,really all you're saying is "wait 30 years and your newer car will be completely acceptable to us then". Yeah right.

To that some might not be real impressed with someone who buys a newer car and puts it in a car show (or expects it to be accepted), even if its modded. A car thats been preserved or restored over time gets more attention from folks. Just playing devils advocate and I'll admit I'm more impressed with a belly button Chevelle or Camaro thats older than a newer car someone buys and adds a few bolt-ons to. My cars aren't in either group and shunned by both so I think my opinion is pretty unbiased.

[animal]

To that some might not be real impressed with someone who buys a newer car and puts it in a car show (or expects it to be accepted), even if its modded.

I guess therein lies the lameness of restricted cruise nights. I can just as easily go out and find an old car, buy it tonight for less than a new car, put the standard bolton air cleaner, new plug wires, and some braided hoses on and drive it to any cruise night tomorrow.

I'm not saying oldies and late models always have to be together for car "shows", they all have their place and obviously segregated shows are just a fact of the hobby. Yet it's at the informal cruise night, where enthusiasts should be able to get together and bs about the hobby without the rules and officiality of a show that you see the greatest gap of acceptance. All these suggested standards, that you have to pour your heart and life into a car to get let in to hang out are just bs. I can choose a car say 10 years old, spend years cleaning it up, and making it mine, and if the car ends up being anything but completely exotic i get sent away and insulted for it anyway. But I can buy a car that's a few years older, throw a set of lame no value boltons on it, and somehow I'm magically a better car enthusiast worthy of acceptance? :rolleyes:

I just find that annoying as hell, and it's that thought alone that makes me wish I could prevent those same people from ever drawing joy or memories out of even seeing my older car.

[PB86MCSS]

I tend to agree, for cruise-ins or casual events it shouldn't really matter. I honestly haven't been to, let alone participated in, a cruise in for 4+ years or so, I got in Solid Gold early a couple times one year and used to do the BK in Muskego shows often when it was going strong via BCM. Other things in life got in the way and I haven't been inclined to go back. Solid Gold was(is?) notorious for being picky in what they let in.

You can go buy an older car sure but they are harder to find, generally. I should also rephrase I'm "generally" more impressed with the belly button type muscle cars than modern stuff, not in every case of course...since modern cars, even modded ones that I also like, are seen on the roads driving around much more often so it's not as big of a deal to me if I see them at a cruise in. Not that my opinion matters. I think its safe to say it's one reason car shows focused on older cars are popular, you don't see the type of cars as often and it brings back memories for some older folks...not so much for 90's or 00's cars.

One a side note I was told way back when another reason the BK shows stopped is that attendants and spectators from the show weren't buying much from BK so why should they bother to put it on or pay for a DJ.

[GRAMPS SS]

For those who get their panties in a bunch because they are turned away at the entrance, you are free to go thru the headache of planning your own cruise night destination. If the banner reads "Dedicated to Classics, Rods, and Customs", how can someone get pissy when their late model car is turned away?

you know i go to Pistol Petes...i have friends that go there...but i'm sick of paying 29.00 for pizza...if the place is so great...whay did the new show in sussex start up and on the same night and open to all cars..and why is it a person that went to Petes start it up....not to start a piss war....but the late madels were good enough for them to get it going..but not now...but you see how many COBRA KIT CARS at that show...who wants to see them..they are not the real thing,,they are eplica s of the REAL thing...but they can show up every week after week...to me they are 2 things ...a kit car of a replica...and 2 somewhat a late model..when were some of them finished being built,...like with in a few years.......i guess it's who you know
not what you have...

we'll just wait and see this year as to how full that lot gets...i remember many last year not a lot of full nights...but since i have friends that go..i'll be there till they decide to go elsewhere...so flame on...

[lordairgtar]

Gramps, I tend to agree. What's the difference between a modern Mustang or a turnkey 1932 Ford built in a shop or factory last week? A car is cool because it's a car, not because of the year it was built. Now if a guy builds his own 60s muscle car from old stuff and resto parts or builds a hot rod from gennie steel, that's something special. My car was built as an homage to the 1948 Suburban. It's a cool car, but not as much as the original would be.

[Voodoo Chick]

Gramps, I tend to agree. What's the difference between a modern Mustang or a turnkey 1932 Ford built in a shop or factory last week? A car is cool because it's a car, not because of the year it was built. Now if a guy builds his own 60s muscle car from old stuff and resto parts or builds a hot rod from gennie steel, that's something special. My car was built as an homage to the 1948 Suburban. It's a cool car, but not as much as the original would be.


I really like your little car............

[u_say_go]

Animal, were you on the WNC site a while back by the name "mustangray"?

I understand a lot of people get frustrated when their car is turned away, but there are reasons for having limitations. Take Solid Gold McDonald's for instance....Their "core group" is centered around the old Hot Rodding days of the 50's, as is the whole theme of their restaurant. How many parking spots do they have? 40? 50? 60? How can they NOT put restrictions on which cars are allowed to park in their lot when well over 100 cars show up each week? If they didn't do that, the lot would be filled with late model cars and that's not what they're after. Their show, their rules. It's simple!

Wayne, I expected more coming from an old school dude like yourself. First off, the show in Sussex will probably never reach the same level as Solid Gold or Pete's. They've been trying to get that show going for 3 or 4 years now and I drive past Sussex Place every wednesday evening on my way to work, and there might be 5-10 cars there. It's a shame nobody has put forth an honest effort to get that show off the ground. Go to Sussex Place website, they don't even mention that they have a car show! Why is that?

Second, "Kit Cars"? Let's take a look at the definition of Kit Car-
A kit car is an automobile that is available in kit form, which means that the client buys a set of parts and needs to assemble the car themselves. Usually many major mechanical parts such as the engine and transmission are taken from one or more donor vehicles. Kits vary in completeness from as little as a book of plans to a complete set of all the components required.

The definition of a kit car is usually taken to mean that a number of kits are produced by a manufacturer for sale to the public. A car built at home as a one-off to the designs of its builder is termed a Special.
So those fiberglass bodied replica's of 1932 Fords and 1941 Willys are "kit cars" that some guy ordered up and it was delivered with all the parts and an engine from a donor car and a nice little book of plans to put everything together? My old man has thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars poured into his "Kit Car', and I don't remember seeing a book of plans laying around anywhere for us to reference, or a support number to call the plastic model kit car company! In fact, I dont remember seeing ANY instructions what so ever. But what I do see is some of the trickest shit you will ever see on a street rod around here! You said "who wants to see a replica of the real thing?" If it's that or some late model Mustang/Camaro/Corvette/Charger/Challenger that looks like every other one you see on the road (30 times a day)....I'll take the "kit car"!

Again, for those of you salty about not being allowed to park in the show lot you have other options. 1) park your car where they ask you to, and walk into the show with the other car enthusiasts and take in the sights. (are you there to see or be seen?) 2) take the initiative to put together a cruise night of your own and set your OWN rules. Wouldn't it feel great to start up a show that excludes all the snobby street rodders who've turned your car away for so many years? Instead of pissing and moaning about how unfair it is, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

[Plum Crazy]

ill just keep going to McDonalds on HWY 20, its first come, first serve parking.

[Karps TA]

I tend to just go where I'm wanted and not give a damn about the show's/businesses that don't want me. I don't attend Goodguy's or NSRA events because they don't allow post 70 something cars. It doesn't bother me that they don't. No big deal. That's the show's perogative. I just don't care when or if the show is here then. Same with any other show.

Heck I don't understand why so many of you guys go to Culvers in West Allis since it's obvious you're not wanted there. I'd never want to give my money to someone who didn't appreciate it.

There's plenty of shows happening all over the area all summer long. Some are specific, like import only shows, Ford only shows, etc, some open class. Go to the ones that want you, don't go to the ones that don't. I don't see it as that big of a deal.

[Plum Crazy]

anyone know of an all Mopar show in the area???

[u_say_go]

Heck I don't understand why so many of you guys go to Culvers in West Allis since it's obvious you're not wanted there. I'd never want to give my money to someone who didn't appreciate it.

There's plenty of shows happening all over the area all summer long. Some are specific, like import only shows, Ford only shows, etc, some open class. Go to the ones that want you, don't go to the ones that don't. I don't see it as that big of a deal.
Finally, someone who gets it! :thumbsup
Yeah guys, why do you continue going to Culver's when you're really not welcomed up there?

And Wayne, if you think Pistol Pete's prices are too high, DON'T EAT THERE! I think lapdances are too expensive, that's why I "Al Bundy" those bitches at Silk!
Oh yeah, checked out Pete's menu....no $29 pizzas listed. http://www.foodspot.com/pistolpetesbrookfield/menu.html

[TheRX7Project]

I wouldn't mind starting up a cruise night for the younger crowd. Good music, nice cars, hot women...

Wait that's Hot Import Nights :goof

[Plum Crazy]

Finally, someone who gets it! :thumbsup
Yeah guys, why do you continue going to Culver's when you're really not welcomed up there?

And Wayne, if you don't like spending $29 on a pizza....DON'T BUY THE PIZZA!


Its hit or miss with culvers, some nights there isnt a single cop, others, cops will sit in the lot. I think alot of people go because its centrally located for most BCM members.

[animal]

Animal, were you on the WNC site a while back by the name "mustangray"?

No. I never joined and will never join that site. I saw enough there in the original thread when it all went down to be able to make that decision pretty easily.

It would be different if limiting the show was done with class, but it wasn't. It was done in an alienating and demeaning way to anyone that likes the hobby that has a newer car. That's the main reason for my level of salinity. The other is that it's basically a clone of solid gold, including the biased approach to enforcing who gets let in and who doesn't, late models or otherwise.

If it was REALLY a friendly get together wanting everyone interested in the hobby to join in, it'd be first come first serve for parking spots, or perhaps the cars that are there every single week without fail would like to leave the car at home every other week so something new could be shown. It's all ways it could've been handled. Instead the same tired solid gold approach was taken. And that's fine I guess... if you're one of the good ole' boys. Just kindof a shame if you're not. Obviously I could start my own show. Anyone could, but there's plenty of cruise nights that don't have the agenda... so I don't need to worry about finding a new place to go. I'll just take my money, time, and hobby interests in places that I'm welcome at regardless which set of keys I grab.

FTR i like old cars too so don't label me a hater in that regard.

[animal]

I tend to just go where I'm wanted and not give a damn about the show's/businesses that don't want me. I don't attend Goodguy's or NSRA events because they don't allow post 70 something cars. It doesn't bother me that they don't. No big deal. That's the show's perogative. I just don't care when or if the show is here then. Same with any other show.

Heck I don't understand why so many of you guys go to Culvers in West Allis since it's obvious you're not wanted there. I'd never want to give my money to someone who didn't appreciate it.

There's plenty of shows happening all over the area all summer long. Some are specific, like import only shows, Ford only shows, etc, some open class. Go to the ones that want you, don't go to the ones that don't. I don't see it as that big of a deal.

Actual shows to me are kindof a different thing, with strict rules and classes established for judging. I'm actually talking about these informal weekly cruise nights, and I have tried my best to edit posts so that I don't actually refer to them as shows. Just wanted to clarify.

[u_say_go]

not labeling you a hater at all, I can understand your frustration.

[-stew-]

I'm protesting all these car shows and cruise nights by keeping my car on jack stands indefinitely.

[Plum Crazy]

I'm protesting all these car shows and cruise nights by keeping my car on jack stands indefinitely.

lol!:rolf

[shoooo32]

...but you see how many COBRA KIT CARS at that show...who wants to see them..they are not the real thing,,they are eplica s of the REAL thing...but they can show up every week after week...to me they are 2 things ...a kit car of a replica...and 2 somewhat a late model..when were some of them finished being built,...like with in a few years.......i guess it's who you know
not what you have...

I'm insulted wayne. :goof I would argue but most of the cobra kits I've seen around here are hacked up fiberglass junk.

I avoid most shows mostly because if its nice out I'd rather be bombing down a back road than standing in a parking lot. If collecting shit plastic trophies is your deal more power to you.

[Karps TA]

Actual shows to me are kindof a different thing, with strict rules and classes established for judging. I'm actually talking about these informal weekly cruise nights, and I have tried my best to edit posts so that I don't actually refer to them as shows. Just wanted to clarify.

Even those though, they don't make you feel welcome, then I think it's pretty easy to just not go.

A couple years ago a few of us went to Gus's and it didn't seem like we were welcomed at all. They kept jagging us around and making us move our cars for other people. So I doubt I'd ever go back there again. However there's other places that have really appreciated it, and I try to make a point to make it when I can.

Heck I take it so far as I do my best to not spend money in West Allis period because of how they treat car people. Besides a trip to State Fair, that's about as much as I'm willing to spend.

The best way of making your point across is with your wallet IMO. If Place A has a cruise night and are jags about what they let in, but Place B is cool about everything and makes you feel welcome, spend your money at B and try to promote them as best you can.

[TheRX7Project]

Honestly, I grow tired of seeing the same cars at every show. Maybe they're not even the same cars, but they're the same cars everyone has. Who hasn't seen a restored Camaro / Chevelle / '55 Chevy / Mustang / Challenger? Show me something I've never seen before.

Show me some creativity. Even the ricers at least do that much.

Show me a twin-turbo Slant-6 Dart. Show me a centrifugal-supercharged GT350 Mustang. Show me Studebaker with a 4-rotor or a Camaro Can-Am car or a '32 Ford with a turbo 4-banger.

I'd rather look at the custom turbo piping on a built Omni GLH than see another belly-button restored muscle car.

[Voodoo Chick]

Honestly, I grow tired of seeing the same cars at every show. Maybe they're not even the same cars, but they're the same cars everyone has. Who hasn't seen a restored Camaro / Chevelle / '55 Chevy / Mustang / Challenger? Show me something I've never seen before.

Show me some creativity. Even the ricers at least do that much.

Show me a twin-turbo Slant-6 Dart. Show me a centrifugal-supercharged GT350 Mustang. Show me Studebaker with a 4-rotor or a Camaro Can-Am car or a '32 Ford with a turbo 4-banger.

I'd rather look at the custom turbo piping on a built Omni GLH than see another belly-button restored muscle car.


Yes........BUT.....If one is so bold as to attempt "creativity" with their car, and take said car to a car show, 99.9 % of the people at the show will either A) NOT get it.......B) think it's "lame"...........or C) all of the above plus insult you right to your face. The reason there are so many cookie-cutter resto cars at shows is because for the most part, people can be remarkably dull. I LOVE all old cars, especially GM, but I honestly think if I see one more red-with-black-racing stripes Chevelle, or blue-with-white-racing stripes Camaro, I might puke. EVERYTHING is starting to look the same, and when there really is one that stands out in whatever way, it is usually not received well. If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times, people DON'T seem to appreciate anything "against the norm." I deliberately shunned the "perfect shiny resto" look for one of my cars, and actually spent a lot of time on that one to look rough finished/different, and guess what....no one gets it. Big surprise, right?? :rolleyes:

[PureSound15]

Yes........BUT.....If one is so bold as to attempt "creativity" with their car, and take said car to a car show, 99.9 % of the people at the show will either A) NOT get it.......B) think it's "lame"...........or C) all of the above plus insult you right to your face. The reason there are so many cookie-cutter resto cars at shows is because for the most part, people can be remarkably dull. I LOVE all old cars, especially GM, but I honestly think if I see one more red-with-black-racing stripes Chevelle, or blue-with-white-racing stripes Camaro, I might puke. EVERYTHING is starting to look the same, and when there really is one that stands out in whatever way, it is usually not received well. If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times, people DON'T seem to appreciate anything "against the norm." I deliberately shunned the "perfect shiny resto" look for one of my cars, and actually spent a lot of time on that one to look rough finished/different, and guess what....no one gets it. Big surprise, right?? :rolleyes:


Don't you think it's possible that people just dont like it? Maybe you "dont get" that some guy had a 1967 Camaro, blue with white stripes, when he was in high school only to sell the car and find it again 30 years later. But to you it's just another blue camaro. To him your car looks like shit because it looks like you rattle canned an old camaro - who can blame him for "not getting it?"

I "don't get" what it means to "not get" a car. Why be upset if someone doesn't understand what you did.

The misunderstanding I DO understand is a big wing on the back of a road tracked vette - there are some that do not understand how that wing is NEEDED and not for style. They do not understand that the car is actually tracked. That, to me, is way different than complaining because people don't like your rattle canned car.

[michelle]

If 99.9% people are bashing your car and they don't get it, maybe it's just ugly.

[-stew-]

If 99.9% people are bashing your car and they don't get it, maybe it's just ugly.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc30/marlboroman84/Misc-OhSnap_Bear.jpg

[animal]

No reason for me to comment anymore. :popcorn

[u_say_go]

No reason for me to comment anymore. :popcorn

scoot over, this is gunna git good

[Voodoo Chick]

If 99.9% people are bashing your car and they don't get it, maybe it's just ugly.


Hmmm......someone missed their meds today? And no, folks, sorry....it's not gonna "get good." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.

[PureSound15]

Hmmm......someone missed their meds today? And no, folks, sorry....it's not gonna "get good." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.

What happened to your golden rule bullshit? Be nice?

She didn't blatantly insult you. :rolleyes:

[Plum Crazy]

Hmmm......someone missed their meds today? And no, folks, sorry....it's not gonna "get good." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.


wow!!:stare

[SBC-Fox]

Hmmm......someone missed their meds today? And no, folks, sorry....it's not gonna "get good." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.

That was mean:confused

[-stew-]

If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.

My niece is a "retard." I do volunteer work, I don't deal with "retards."

C yoU Next Tuesday.

[u_say_go]

." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.
that was pretty shitty, even for me.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

in before closed.. pass some popcorn down.

[lordairgtar]

Animal, were you on the WNC site a while back by the name "mustangray"?


Animal is definitely not Mustangray. Otherwise he would be telling us how great Obama is and how he will save us from ourselves.:rolf

[GRAMPS SS]

Animal, were you on the WNC site a while back by the name "mustangray"?

I understand a lot of people get frustrated when their car is turned away, but there are reasons for having limitations. Take Solid Gold McDonald's for instance....Their "core group" is centered around the old Hot Rodding days of the 50's, as is the whole theme of their restaurant. How many parking spots do they have? 40? 50? 60? How can they NOT put restrictions on which cars are allowed to park in their lot when well over 100 cars show up each week? If they didn't do that, the lot would be filled with late model cars and that's not what they're after. Their show, their rules. It's simple!

Wayne, I expected more coming from an old school dude like yourself. First off, the show in Sussex will probably never reach the same level as Solid Gold or Pete's. They've been trying to get that show going for 3 or 4 years now and I drive past Sussex Place every wednesday evening on my way to work, and there might be 5-10 cars there. It's a shame nobody has put forth an honest effort to get that show off the ground. Go to Sussex Place website, they don't even mention that they have a car show! Why is that?

Second, "Kit Cars"? Let's take a look at the definition of Kit Car-
A kit car is an automobile that is available in kit form, which means that the client buys a set of parts and needs to assemble the car themselves. Usually many major mechanical parts such as the engine and transmission are taken from one or more donor vehicles. Kits vary in completeness from as little as a book of plans to a complete set of all the components required.

The definition of a kit car is usually taken to mean that a number of kits are produced by a manufacturer for sale to the public. A car built at home as a one-off to the designs of its builder is termed a Special.
So those fiberglass bodied replica's of 1932 Fords and 1941 Willys are "kit cars" that some guy ordered up and it was delivered with all the parts and an engine from a donor car and a nice little book of plans to put everything together? My old man has thousands of hours and tens of thousands of dollars poured into his "Kit Car', and I don't remember seeing a book of plans laying around anywhere for us to reference, or a support number to call the plastic model kit car company! In fact, I dont remember seeing ANY instructions what so ever. But what I do see is some of the trickest shit you will ever see on a street rod around here! You said "who wants to see a replica of the real thing?" If it's that or some late model Mustang/Camaro/Corvette/Charger/Challenger that looks like every other one you see on the road (30 times a day)....I'll take the "kit car"!

Again, for those of you salty about not being allowed to park in the show lot you have other options. 1) park your car where they ask you to, and walk into the show with the other car enthusiasts and take in the sights. (are you there to see or be seen?) 2) take the initiative to put together a cruise night of your own and set your OWN rules. Wouldn't it feel great to start up a show that excludes all the snobby street rodders who've turned your car away for so many years? Instead of pissing and moaning about how unfair it is, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

your right and i'm wrong..i should know better with my back ground in cars...but lets get real...the cobras there are kit cars..your dads is not by any means a kit car...ive seen pics of it...i commented how sweet it it...i'm just sick of seeing cobra kit cars at a show that says they have classics and street rods..and shun the rest of the cars...and the show in sussex...at least he is trying to start something...if he fails...so be it..but he is giving it a try....i like older cars...ive had newer cars as well....but i see where both sides are coming from....they were good enough in the beginning and now they are not...no matter my old school or not...you know it's not fair to them...

like i said i will go to the show..but only to see friends and not ot see the kit cars,....JMO...i am entitled to that am i not...everyone else here seems to have one...there picking on a car that she did herself...it's hers...not theres...comment on it...but don't tear it to shreads....and don't call it ugly if you don't have a car...at least she is tying....give her that much respect...i've seen the car..i myself like what she has done...it's hers not mine or yours......seem lately that everyone rips on everyones cars..hell i'm guilty of it...i had it done to me when i built all the cars i had...they were mine...i built them my way...so cut her some slack and just let it go...everyone is entitled to do to there car as they wish...

[PureSound15]

....and don't call it ugly if you don't have a car

Who is that referring to :confused

[GRAMPS SS]

Who is that referring to :confused

to who ever thinks its ugly...IT'S HER CAR...LET IT GO...

[Rocket Power]

What happened to your golden rule bullshit? Be nice?

She didn't blatantly insult you. :rolleyes:

I can see how she would be offended/insulted, she just stated how she put a lot of her time and work into the car to get it how she wants then she gets told ....


maybe it's just ugly.

[PB86MCSS]

Go to the ones that want you, don't go to the ones that don't. I don't see it as that big of a deal.

Bingo...IMHO at least. I also don't see it as that big of a deal...if my vehicle type isn't wanted, thats their rules and I probably won't attend to hang out or support whatever establishment it's located at.

[michelle]

Hmmm......someone missed their meds today? And no, folks, sorry....it's not gonna "get good." If I want to deal with a retard, I'll do volunteer work.

Well see, I figure you have two main options. You can either A) get tired of what people say and change your car so it fits the "norm" so you stop complaining about people not "getting" your car, or B) grow some ovaries and say who cares and move on without complaining about people not "getting" your car. You put the work into it, that's fine. You aren't going to change anybody's mind by saying "oh woah is me, nobody understands my creativity".

And I rather be a "retard" (as I like to volunteer and I have worked with adults with mental disabilities and children with special needs), then be you. (:

[u_say_go]

your right and i'm wrong..i should know better with my back ground in cars...but lets get real...the cobras there are kit cars..your dads is not by any means a kit car...ive seen pics of it...i commented how sweet it it...i'm just sick of seeing cobra kit cars at a show that says they have classics and street rods..and shun the rest of the cars...and the show in sussex...at least he is trying to start something...if he fails...so be it..but he is giving it a try....i like older cars...ive had newer cars as well....but i see where both sides are coming from....they were good enough in the beginning and now they are not...no matter my old school or not...you know it's not fair to them...
...
point well taken Wayne. You know I respect you, you've been at this game a lot longer than most. If I see you up there I'll buy you and the boy a root beer :thumbsup

[Cjburn]

Fuck car shows! Jump in, put your right foot to the floorboard, and enjoy...

[nismodave]

WTF is all this Bullshit?

[Holeshot]

My Red Grand Am was at the show and no one said shit. Except for Ryan and hes just got 1 of a million Mustangs. Geez the nerve.

[nismodave]

My Red Grand Am was at the show and no one said shit. Except for Ryan and hes just got 1 of a million Mustangs. Geez the nerve.

Its not easy to talk shit about a car that won a INTERNATIONAL award for GTOs.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/ls1gtotiger/GTOAA%202006/GTOAA2006164.jpg

[PureSound15]

My Red Grand Am was at the show and no one said shit. Except for Ryan and hes just got 1 of a million Mustangs. Geez the nerve.

Well.. you know I was being 100% sarcastic :stare, right?


I have never seen factory paint look more like glass!

[Holeshot]

If you can't talk shit about yourself you cant talk shit about others. Someone had to lighten the mood of this tread. :rolf:rolf


Well.. you know I was being 100% sarcastic :stare, right?

You bet I knew I almost busted a gut when you said it.


Its not easy to talk shit about a car that won a INTERNATIONAL award for GTOs.


LOL and the Following year I took 1st So yeah I love my Grand Am

[TraceDaddy]

Will someone summarize this for me? Am I allowed to drive my car anywhere??

:eek:

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Will someone summarize this for me? Am I allowed to drive my car anywhere??

:eek:


mustangs suck



stay home

[TraceDaddy]

mustangs suck



stay home

Don't all cars??

Suck, squeeze, bang, blow??