Any diesel mechanics in house??

[scottie K]

my dodge 2002 24v. is has a intermittent run problem, every now and again it lacks power just started doing this....

could it be lift pump?
water in fuel filter? filter hasent ben changed in 3yrs
or injector pump...??

who has replaced this stuff?? hard todo??

thanks scottyk

[DirtyMax]

I would say start with the fuel filter first. Those should be changed every 15-20K tops on the Dmax trucks so I can't see why they'd be good to go for 3 yrs on a Cummins. I'd start there for sure since it's the cheapest of the fixes.

[GRNDNL]

I would say start with the fuel filter first. Those should be changed every 15-20K tops on the Dmax trucks so I can't see why they'd be good to go for 3 yrs on a Cummins. I'd start there for sure since it's the cheapest of the fixes.

Every other oil change or 10,000 miles on a Power Stroke for the fuel filter.....

Everybody I know with a Dodge has put a lift pump in, if its got any miles on it at all I'd put the pump in just for PM...

[u_say_go]

scotty, drop russ jerome a PM, i'm sure he'll be able to help you.

[SmokinRAM114]

scotty, i got ur message.. busy at work. I hate to say it but the Injection pump sounds like its on its way out. it has what they call "dead pedal"? say ur cruise is on and then all of a sudden seems like the cruise goes off then comes back on and speeds back up to speed? or is it happening when u first start it and it basically wont go over 35mph? if u let off then step back in it blamo power again? do you have any mods done to ie chip? i HAVE a good used vp44 for sale with 12-15k mi on it. i took it off mine to do the p-pump at the begining of the month. the main reason this may have gone bad is the lift pump is weak or has failed causing low fuel pressure to the pump and starving it. The fuel is the main lubercate in these bosch vp style pumps. to solve this problem you should install a fass system (i recommend) or cheaper/equivalant Air dog fuel system. (seem to be replacing alot of the airdog pumps lately) both have a life time warranty on the pump if it were to fail.

[SmokinRAM114]

i have done it all many times and can help/do it.

have u scanned it for codes? it WILL NOT throw a check engine light. if P0216 pops up get ur check book out. that is the warning code for a failing IP. some give a warning and some just shut down leaving u stranded. scotty if ur free tonight gimme a call 1-262-378-2176 and ill come check it out.

[FourEyedFord]

All I want to know is, what the hell is an "injector pump"?

Sorry this joke never gets old! :rolf

[SmokinRAM114]

All I want to know is, what the hell is an "injector pump"?

Sorry this joke never gets old! :rolf

what is a hpop? sorry this never gets old:rolf:rolf:thumbsup

[FourEyedFord]

what is a hpop? sorry this never gets old:rolf:rolf:thumbsup

Its PERFECTION!!! :rolf :D

[scottie K]

i have done it all many times and can help/do it.

have u scanned it for codes? it WILL NOT throw a check engine light. if P0216 pops up get ur check book out. that is the warning code for a failing IP. some give a warning and some just shut down leaving u stranded. scotty if ur free tonight gimme a call 1-262-378-2176 and ill come check it out.

cool... thanks .I'll be home all nite...working on the car

[Squatch]

Like initially said by others I would try the fuel filter first. Fuel filters can make diesels do some really odd things.

[Reverend Cooper]

I would second the call to Russ Jerome,If you need his number I got it scottie

[scottie K]

smoknram came out...checked my truck and gave me the bad news code...injector pump..... :alcoholic

[Dr.Buick]

smoknram came out...checked my truck and gave me the bad news code...injector pump..... :alcoholic
I can knock it out for you scottie

[SmokinRAM114]

smoknram came out...checked my truck and gave me the bad news code...injector pump..... :alcoholic

yea shitty for sure.. and what was the finally tally down the side of the box? 7 different codes?:punch:

[HITMAN]

Fuel filter. I can always tell when I have a clogged filter. The engine feels like it's running on about three cylinders half of the time. Now I know what to look for (on a 60 series Detroit the fuel filter canister is see-through) I can head this condition off at the pass.

[Yeehaw]

smoknram came out...checked my truck and gave me the bad news code...injector pump..... :alcoholic

time to modify :thumbsup

[scaleracer]

yea shitty for sure.. and what was the finally tally down the side of the box? 7 different codes?:punch:

lol! Yeah that was pretty funny on the box! :rolf

[scottie K]

No race truck for me....hahah ok maybe a little up date


thanks SmoknRam!!!!!

[Squatch]

Atleast you got it all figured out though, no more mystery.

[SmokinRAM114]

Atleast you got it all figured out though, no more mystery.

well some of the other codes are still a mystery.....:( it has a speed sensor code, speedo still works, and a overdrive band failure code but it still goes into OD :alcoholic but we'll get it squared away fo sho:headbang

[SmokinRAM114]

No race truck for me....hahah ok maybe a little up date


thanks SmoknRam!!!!!

a little :devil bobbys psd is going down!:rolf:goof

[FourEyedFord]

a little :devil bobbys psd is going down!:rolf:goof

Come on, it should be an easy kill against a non-intercooled PSD right?

I am still opptomistic though! :shades

[SmokinRAM114]

Come on, it should be an easy kill against a non-intercooled PSD right?

I am still opptomistic though! :shades

haha yea it was an easy poke at you. im jp i dont scottie has any serious plans for it. and yea ur shit flys for what it is. about as fast as a blue big turbo vw:rolf

[Feature Pony]

Scotty the funny thing is my dad's injector pump just took a dump as well and its a 2002 24v ho motor. dodgeland wants $1800 for the pump and $700 labor and they never said anything about the feed pump which probably took out the injector pump.

[FourEyedFord]

and yea ur shit flys for what it is. about as fast as a blue big turbo vw:rolf

Maybe we should find that out tonight.... :D

[Russ Jerome]

my dad's injector pump just took a dump as well and its a 2002 24v ho motor. dodgeland wants $1800 for the pump and $700 labor .

The VP45 inj pump does not "go out".
The diaphram splits or rotor seizes.

The forward diaphram splits and gives a code most
people call fatal. P0216 is most often caused
by a weak lift pump even tho the diaphram is a POS
it will run forever with a good head pressure fuel.
Weak lift pump pressure can even cause the rotor
to seize in the inj pump, hard to explain but trust me:

New or old truck, power joke or cummins you HAVE
to feed it good clean fuel at max lift pressure. So go
out and get a good aftermarket lift pump, no matter
your truck is new or old. Use a good fuel/water seperator.

[Russ Jerome]

well some of the other codes are still a mystery.....:( it has a speed sensor code, speedo still works, and a overdrive band failure code but it still goes into OD :alcoholic but we'll get it squared away fo sho:headbang

The rear OD drum is going to hell, sending iron thru the
trans and coating the sensors. No bands, there is a huge
free flaoing basket full of clutchs and a #500psi spring
that want to come out and grenade. Dont use the OD, turn
it off and pay for the extra fuel. Its an ugly job that require
more than basic trans tool, special jigs and tools for that
trans.

[Feature Pony]

is there anybody that around here in the milwaukee area that will put the aftermaket system in that does a good job? It sounds like dodge land wants to half a$$ this project and charge a arm a leg, my dad just wants it done right. Thanks

[scottie K]

The rear OD drum is going to hell, sending iron thru the
trans and coating the sensors. No bands, there is a huge
free flaoing basket full of clutchs and a #500psi spring
that want to come out and grenade. Dont use the OD, turn
it off and pay for the extra fuel. Its an ugly job that require
more than basic trans tool, special jigs and tools for that
trans.


i put 40k on a bad trans so fare hahah 90% of the time starts in 2nd or 3rd and 10 % in first...

[SmokinRAM114]

The VP45 inj pump does not "go out".
The diaphram splits or rotor seizes.

The forward diaphram splits and gives a code most
people call fatal. P0216 is most often caused
by a weak lift pump even tho the diaphram is a POS
it will run forever with a good head pressure fuel.
Weak lift pump pressure can even cause the rotor
to seize in the inj pump, hard to explain but trust me:

New or old truck, power joke or cummins you HAVE
to feed it good clean fuel at max lift pressure. So go
out and get a good aftermarket lift pump, no matter
your truck is new or old. Use a good fuel/water seperator.

it can just go out. the computers on the vp can fail from heat cycles. sometimes with no sign at all. I have seen one first hand that had an electrical code and NOT p0216. p0216 is thrown from the pump being worn out mechanically, and can’t attain full timing advance. which in this case why scotties truck pops. also scottie has "dead pedal" which is 99% of the time the computer on top of the pump causing this. the other 1% is a faulty apps which will cause a "flat spot" normally at 65-70mph. (he has it no matter what speed) the 2 electronical no good codes are 1688 and 1689 dtc codes which the truck WILL not run if those are present. peterbuilt ran into this problem and went after bosch over it and they designed a new computer for them. unfortunatly it never made its way on light duty trucks. i have heard of some companys retro fitting them tho.

[SmokinRAM114]

is there anybody that around here in the milwaukee area that will put the aftermaket system in that does a good job? It sounds like dodge land wants to half a$$ this project and charge a arm a leg, my dad just wants it done right. Thanks

no problem doing it. done a few in my day:thumbsup

[Russ Jerome]

it can just go out. the computers on the vp can fail from heat cycles.

Correct you are, again think of the pumps as an old Bosch
with software bolted on. If a Mexican can build it you can
take it apart and fix it, its just nuts and bolts.

http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/injectionpumpfailures.html

If you need parts in the future pm me, you would be
surprised how many people take pumps off for nothing
more than a failed elec component....parts from them
get misplaced before cores goes back.....so I hear... ;)

[SmokinRAM114]

Correct you are, again think of the pumps as an old Bosch
with software bolted on. If a Mexican can build it you can
take it apart and fix it, its just nuts and bolts.

http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/injectionpumpfailures.html

If you need parts in the future pm me, you would be
surprised how many people take pumps off for nothing
more than a failed elec component....parts from them
get misplaced before cores goes back.....so I hear... ;)

not surpised u know but surprised some else knows about bluechip. i was going to run there boxes untill they have not figured out why they keep failing. funny joke around the cummins comunitee is they have the VP syndrom :rolf

[Russ Jerome]

I've worked at every heavy truck dealership in SE WI
as well as the larger independent shops (whoever pays
the most this year!) and the most inovative people to
figure out the "cause" of the failures is you and I. Online
resouces are cruised by more engineers than you would
know. Cummins Insite and other live online diag is cool
but if I want to get the down and dirty, sites like Bluechp
and many others are priceless for info.


You've been working on diesels too long when you can
swap an OE fuel solenoid on a 6.5 dinasaur (not retro
remote kit) with basic hand tools in 40 min and not get
a timing code on startup :)

[Feature Pony]

is there anykind of damaged that can be done by driving it? my dad is going to try to limp it home from dodgeland tonight and find somebody else to do the work.

[SmokinRAM114]

the only damage a failing vp can cause is watching a dmax or psd drive by while ur stranded and waiting for a tow truck if it fails all togeather.. i laugh and say sucker all the time if i see a psd or duramax on flat bed. :goof

[scottie K]

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im hoping to limp mine a few weeks.... Cross your fingers Cris.....LOL

[SmokinRAM114]

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im hoping to limp mine a few weeks.... Cross your fingers Cris.....LOL

parts a waiting :goof

[nitrous]

CP3 Dual Fueler.

Rick, if smokinram can't get around to it have your dad give me a call.