year round performance car? [Archive]

0TransAm0

03-19-2009, 04:23 PM

one of my brothers is looking to purchase a new car he has been looking at anything from a range rover and mercedes glk 500 to a used 2005 STI or a new EVO X MR...

just wondering if any of you guys had any other idea's i could tell him about.. its mostly a winter car as in the summer he rides his motorcycle ALL the time. if its more of a sports car all wheel drive is a must..he does not want a rear wheel drive only car.. otherwise a fun sporty suv..

any thoughts on this?

thanks
Mike

Silver86

03-19-2009, 04:25 PM

my pick would be the sti... a buddy of mine has an 05, he says its an absolute blast to drive in the snow.

0TransAm0

03-19-2009, 04:29 PM

my pick would be the sti... a buddy of mine has an 05, he says its an absolute blast to drive in the snow.

yeah my cousin has one with over 450awhp and its a sweet car..ive never driven it but have rode in it..

PonyKiller87

03-19-2009, 04:35 PM

Well there is always the performance trucks, Silverado SS, Trailblazer SS, Dmax truck with a programmer...

domokun

03-19-2009, 04:43 PM

Ive driven the new X.....Id take that over the STI any day!!!

tell him to go drive the STi, then the new X.....

the X is a big car...but handles like no other...and scoots too! ( also good on mods ;) )

Crawlin

03-19-2009, 04:45 PM

Audi RS4

preferrably in a wagon would be my number 1 choice!

http://images.europeancarweb.com/features/0703_ec_12_z+audi_rs4_mtm+side_view.jpg

Wagon's rule!!!

http://www.audiworld.com/news/06/2006-essen-motorshow/Essen2006H064.jpg

BoosTT

03-19-2009, 04:48 PM

see sig

T-Bag

03-19-2009, 04:51 PM

Ug rule the Evo garbage out of it...unless he likes shitty cars with shitty build quality that are way over priced.

Exitspeed

03-19-2009, 06:09 PM

I'd rather have an Evo 9 MR over the X. The X has had some odd issues (like cheap ass gas pedals). I personally prefer the looks of the 9's. But that's me.

But if he's looking to spend some coin, he should go with a CTS AWD or a G37xS Sedan. The latter being my personal choice. I'd take either of those cars over their euro counterparts.

dr doom

03-19-2009, 06:21 PM

the new X is GAY. STi's are the shit! Subaru over a new mitsu any day.

97z2801ss

03-19-2009, 06:24 PM

see sig

not to high jack but my friends mom is looking for a TT any suggestions?

Poncho

03-19-2009, 06:29 PM

Audi audi audi

88Nightmare

03-19-2009, 06:33 PM

trailblazer ss awd?

Poncho

03-19-2009, 06:37 PM

trailblazer ss awd?

too much plastic, the wheels aren't powdercoated, and someone forgot the A/V cables. Maybe try slipping money under the table.

88Nightmare

03-19-2009, 06:40 PM

dont forget it looks too much like a pontiac

Poncho

03-19-2009, 06:41 PM

rofl. i knew I forgot something. I'll never get it.

jbiscuit

03-19-2009, 07:57 PM

subie FTW. Modded turbo Legacys can be fun too. GT35r and supporting mods in a nice cruiser = fun.

STANMAN

03-19-2009, 08:12 PM

Wait a few months for the new SHO to come out.

Nick

03-19-2009, 08:14 PM

Fuck Audi. Too many problems. I know. Another vote for Subaru. I <3 mine.

0TransAm0

03-19-2009, 08:18 PM

yeah he just went and test drove the new evo x mr and said it was very weak and unimpressive..

the infinity g37x is on his list to test drive.

Poncho

03-19-2009, 08:28 PM

Wait a few months for the new SHO to come out.

performance car not sudo performance car.

88Nightmare

03-19-2009, 08:37 PM

performance car not sudo performance car.

ba zing

-stew-

03-19-2009, 09:10 PM

Fox body and a new zip code. /thread

BoosTT

03-19-2009, 09:29 PM

Yes, I agree audi isn't the most reliable. Most of the problem are weird minor issues that are just annoying, but don't leave you stuck. They are expensive cars and require expensive maintance and repairs too. But who the fuck cares? Do you not like to work on cars? If you can't afford a luxuary car, don't buy one.

You can find a low mile (60k) 2001 audi tt quattro 1.8l turbo 225 6-speed for around $12.5k now. All of them are loaded with pretty much every option too (heated leather, very high end bose, hid, ect). The tt gets a lot of looks. For some reason a lot of people think it's like some $50k benz or something (lol). Car is awesome in the snow and a lot of fun with the traction control off too. Add a chip and it's around 250hp already. Not bad for a daily driver at $12.5k.

1320PNY

03-19-2009, 09:34 PM

My votes are Subaru Legacy and G37X. I had the same choices for the wife in September. She got a Subi!

TURTLE

03-19-2009, 09:34 PM

yeah he just went and test drove the new evo x mr and said it was very weak and unimpressive..

the infinity g37x is on his list to test drive.

i agree with crawlin on the rs4... or even an s4...

and for the evo test drive, did he push the gas pedal? those things scoot from the factory! other question is did he drive the 6-speed or the paddle shift? the paddle shifts take a bit to get used to...

Crawlin

03-19-2009, 09:35 PM

sorry, i just would be buying new if he's looking at the cars he's looking at. and has the financial support to back those up, so he'd probably not be keeping it for more than 3-4 years, which keeps those Audi's right in the manufacturer's warranty range. he's not gonna be "easy" on the car, we all know that. So look out for voided warranty out of those subie and mitsu places.

literally, next car i'm buying is gonna be an RS4 wagon once the impala lease is up.

dreamed of it ever since seeing "Layer Cake"

tommyt5078

03-19-2009, 09:48 PM

All year round car STi, is my vote, but that's what I drive year round..............AWD is fun all year round :banana1:

SSLEVO

03-19-2009, 10:44 PM

Wow, no love for the evo around here, lol. I think the VIII and IX are far more of a performance car than the X is. The X has a flat torque curve where the 8 and 9 were more peaky and really come onto the boost, which makes the car feel faster. Tell him to try out a IX MR edition, i think he would change his mind. I do agree for DD use an STI is probably smoother, i chose the evo because it is a much better platform to modify, i don't think anyone can argue that.

Silver86

03-19-2009, 11:49 PM

i totally forgot about the legacy GT... if i had another chance, i wouldnt have bought my truck... i wouldve gotten a legacy GT... sweet fucking car!

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 07:45 AM

Exitspeed

03-20-2009, 07:50 AM

Audi audi audi

Fuck Audi. Too many problems. I know. Another vote for Subaru. I <3 mine.

You beat me too it. Audi's are piles. Beautiful looking cars, but I really don't want to buy a car that... *see below

Yes, I agree audi isn't the most reliable. Most of the problem are weird minor issues that are just annoying, but don't leave you stuck. They are expensive cars and require expensive maintance and repairs too. But who the fuck cares? Do you not like to work on cars? If you can't afford a luxuary car, don't buy one.

^
has those kinda issues from the get go.

Word to BoosTT, MOST people who buy luxury cars don't like to work on them. Fact.

All the reasons you mentioned above are the reasons why Audi will never make it on my short list.

yeah he just went and test drove the new evo x mr and said it was very weak and unimpressive..

the infinity g37x is on his list to test drive.

He's gonna really like the G37x after driving the X. He;; he'd really like driving the G after he drove an A4 or the new E Class.

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 07:50 AM

i agree with crawlin on the rs4... or even an s4...

and for the evo test drive, did he push the gas pedal? those things scoot from the factory! other question is did he drive the 6-speed or the paddle shift? the paddle shifts take a bit to get used to...

the texts i got from him..

i drove the GSR and the MR version both seemed weak....

it handles rediculously well,extremely tight,just didn't feel strong,no power on the low end,no torque at low rpm....

i didn't beat the piss out of it tho...

SSLEVO

03-20-2009, 08:03 AM

the texts i got from him..

i drove the GSR and the MR version both seemed weak....

it handles rediculously well,extremely tight,just didn't feel strong,no power on the low end,no torque at low rpm....

i didn't beat the piss out of it tho...

Its a low compression 2L 4 cylinder, what did he expect for low end torque, LOL. I do admit, i do sometimes miss the low end torque of my camaro i had. How about the new 335I BMW? I know its rwd but they do look pretty sweet. Maybe they make an awd version these days?

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 08:06 AM

Its a low compression 2L 4 cylinder, what did he expect for low end torque, LOL. I do admit, i do sometimes miss the low torque of my camaro i had. How about the new 335I BMW? I know its rwd but they do look pretty sweet. Maybe they make an awd version these days?

BMW's he was looking at the 135i i think we are going to test drive the infinity tonight...im going with this time:devil

shoooo32

03-20-2009, 08:19 AM

335xi coupe FTMFW! Twin turbo inline-6 coupled to the best awd setup.(IMO) Bonus- unlike the Audi, everything will operate like new for at least 100xxx miles without 20 dealership visits:thumbsup

CannotPost

03-20-2009, 08:43 AM

literally, next car i'm buying is gonna be an RS4 wagon once the impala lease is up.

Mmmm B7 RS4 wagon..... !

Audi for sure. :banana

Exitspeed

03-20-2009, 09:15 AM

335xi coupe FTMFW! Twin turbo inline-6 coupled to the best awd setup.(IMO) Bonus- unlike the Audi, everything will operate like new for at least 100xxx miles without 20 dealership visits:thumbsup

There's no doubt the335xi is a screamin machine. But I'd rather save the $8,000 (yes that's the cost difference) and get the G. Plus with the G you get more options and they are way more dependable then the BMW's.

Poncho

03-20-2009, 09:23 AM

I will be the first to say.

Pontiac G8 GXP. (w/ snow tires)

floaters

03-20-2009, 09:29 AM

trailblazer ss, saab turboX, audi s/rs, sti, id stay away from range rovers especially depending on year unless he likes being at the dealer a lot. i would also stay away from benz, bmw, etc. unless he is buying new.

shoooo32

03-20-2009, 09:31 AM

There's no doubt the335xi is a screamin machine. But I'd rather save the $8,000 (yes that's the cost difference) and get the G. Plus with the G you get more options and they are way more dependable then the BMW's.

8k more is well worth it. A 3 year old G37 is a used Nissan. A used BMW will always be a BMW. :shades

floaters

03-20-2009, 09:32 AM

Flicktitty

03-20-2009, 09:47 AM

/\ i'm 99% sure it is a RS6.

flyin_blue_egg

03-20-2009, 10:48 AM

he could always get an 09 WRX. they are comprable to the 05 STi's

SSLEVO

03-20-2009, 11:44 AM

he could always get an 09 WRX. they are comprable to the 05 STi's

I don't know about that, i know they got a boost in power but i'm sure they don't have the brake and suspension goodies the sti has.

srt4eh

03-20-2009, 11:47 AM

I say sti...

Flicktitty

03-20-2009, 11:55 AM

I don't know about that, i know they got a boost in power but i'm sure they don't have the brake and suspension goodies the sti has.

look at the average person, they straight line the car more then hard cornering.

hell get a 09 WRX get some good pads for it and some sway bars and i'm sure its just as good as a STI. or hell even a full coilover you'll run circles around a STI.

88Nightmare

03-20-2009, 12:17 PM

how about the new turbo cobalt ss? :D

STANMAN

03-20-2009, 12:38 PM

Plus the WRX is tolerable in the looks department, the STI looks like ass, and is WAY more $$$$$.

I still say an SHO when they come out!:thumbsup

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 02:33 PM

SHO will NEVER happen...

i know its not awd but we are going to look at the new nissan 370Z tonight and possably the infinity g37x

WilliamZ

03-20-2009, 02:41 PM

8k more is well worth it. A 3 year old G37 is a used Nissan. A used BMW will always be a BMW. :shades

I would only buy a BMW brand new and I would dump it right at warranty time.

The BMW 335's with the twin turbo engines have problems with their fuel systems.

STANMAN

03-20-2009, 03:17 PM

SHO will NEVER happen...

i know its not awd but we are going to look at the new nissan 370Z tonight and possably the infinity g37x

Like Ford's not going to make it (they have already said it would be out mid 09.....not like GM and the Camaro coming back in "insert year here" and it never happening until now finally), or you are not interested in it? If just not interested, may I be so bold as to ask why?

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 03:22 PM

Like Ford's not going to make it (they have already said it would be out mid 09.....not like GM and the Camaro coming back in "insert year here" and it never happening until now finally), or you are not interested in it? If just not interested, may I be so bold as to ask why?

not interested...i just could never see my brother in a car like that... not his style. that and he doesn't care for fords. he is more of an import kinda guy.

STANMAN

03-20-2009, 03:24 PM

not interested...i just could never see my brother in a car like that... not his style. that and he doesn't care for fords. he is more of an import kinda guy.

OIC. Then yeah, have him look at the WRX, it's a lot of car for $25K. That's the problem though, he has to get an 09, the 08's were blah in the power department.

ND4SPD

03-20-2009, 03:45 PM

CTS-V Baby... just came off my first winter with it and I have to tell you with the Blizzaks and a few sand tubes in the trunk, it really wasn't that bad. Hell of a lot of fun actually. RWD in the winter has gotten a bad rap. With the new stability systems, traction control, winter tires... it's really doable. Bear in mind I have to drive to Madison to get to work and I didn't have to take my wife's SRX once.

pOrk

03-20-2009, 04:05 PM

Imports are weak, get a new CTS V. AWD and pure bad ass

WhatsADSM

03-20-2009, 05:33 PM

Imports are weak, get a new CTS V. AWD and pure bad ass

I'm pretty sure the CTS-V is RWD not AWD. The AWD option was for the weaker engines.

But I agree that it is bad ass.:thumbsup

pOrk

03-20-2009, 05:51 PM

Yup, you are right. That sucks, RWD it is :)

88Nightmare

03-20-2009, 05:51 PM

for 2009, the CTS-V is RWD only, however still amazingly badass

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/88nightmare/cts.jpg

HP ADDICT

03-20-2009, 07:32 PM

I would say depending how much he wants to spend look into a bmw 335xi. Nice car 300hp twins and awd. With a simple tune they will lay the smack down on a stage 2 sti.

0TransAm0

03-20-2009, 07:54 PM

:drool::drool::drool::drool:just got done test driveing a nissan 370Z and the car is BAD MO FRICKEN ASS!!!!

if it where me id be buying it today..but just gotta wait and see what he does..

ND4SPD

03-20-2009, 08:42 PM

for 2009, the CTS-V is RWD only, however still amazingly badass

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/88nightmare/cts.jpg

Maybe in about 4 years or so they'll be down to where I can afford an '09. It'll probably be one of the last bad-ass "family cars" because everything here-on out is going to be crackerbox low-hp high-mpg garbage (that is if GM even survives Bankruptcy).

Smokey1226

03-20-2009, 08:45 PM

That's why guys like you and I are going to buy up the remaining 15+ year old Toyota's :D

URLOZIN

03-20-2009, 08:55 PM

I will be the first to say.

Pontiac G8 GXP. (w/ snow tires)
x2 to that. Those are some bad @$$ cars..

flyin_blue_egg

03-21-2009, 01:10 AM

Plus the WRX is tolerable in the looks department, the STI looks like ass, and is WAY more $$$$$.

you beat me too it...that's what i was going to say.....i'm looking at getting a WRX. 1) b/c i can't stand the look of the 5 door and 2) it's $10,000 less and has only 50 less hp.....if you throw a turbo back exhaust and get an accessport for it and you can tune it to have more hp then an sti

Exitspeed

03-21-2009, 09:45 AM

8k more is well worth it. A 3 year old G37 is a used Nissan. A used BMW will always be a BMW. :shades

You must read Car & Driver. lol

I would only buy a BMW brand new and I would dump it right at warranty time.

The BMW 335's with the twin turbo engines have problems with their fuel systems.

Among many other issues. I'll stick with my 8 Year old Nissan that will hardly need maintenance.

for 2009, the CTS-V is RWD only, however still amazingly badass

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l44/88nightmare/cts.jpg

So bad ass in fact it owns the record time for the fastest sedan at the Ring.

I will be the first to say.

Pontiac G8 GXP. (w/ snow tires)

The G8 GXP can be had for about $34k right now after rebates. IMO it's one of the best bang for your buck vehicles in any class on the road. You get M5 performance for less then the cost of a 3 Series. You just have to live with the interior. I find a lot of people looking in the $35k+ price range are more concerned about interior then actual performance. If GM was able to put a CTS quality interior in the G8 GXP and charge $3k more it would sell far better.

I'd also like to suggest another car that has not been brought up. The Genesis Sedan. It's still underestimated by the general public I think, but the damn thing in solid, and has won NUMEROUS COTY awards.

And the first person that says "It's still a Hyundai" I will loose all automotive respect for.
http://media.nextautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan-hl.jpg

TURTLE

03-21-2009, 02:05 PM

And the first person that says "It's still a Hyundai" I will loose all automotive respect for.
http://media.nextautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2009-hyundai-genesis-sedan-hl.jpg

it's still a Hyundai!:goof:goof

i'd agree, but as an all season car, in wisconsin, i'd feel more comfortable in something awd(i know that's a preference kinda thing, but i'm stating my opinion on the matter)

so wrx, lancer ralliart, g37x, 335xi, would be my choices over their rwd counterparts... as much fun as snow drifting is in a rwd car:headbang

HP ADDICT

03-22-2009, 08:59 PM

When I was car shopping the BMW 335i would have actually been cheaper then the G37 with the same options. BMW also offers .9% apr. N54 was the engine of the year multiple times and the only real issues are fuel pumps(which have reportedly been fixed) and lack of oil coolers on the old ones. I chose the 135 for its better brakes and handling but the 335xi sedan is a good year round option. Sell it when the warranty is up at 50k.