8sec RWD Street Import...why no one?

[Bee]

As many have seen, there are a good numbers of domestic BCM members that have ran 8sec at least once or twice this year in decently claimed street cars(honestly no one has a true 8sec DAILY DAILY DAILY driven street car...i know we can all agree on that). But in most cases they are considered street cars since the class they race are the STREET CLASS. I'm just curious as to why no one has built a high-powered Street Import RWD or even an AWD. Guessing in the 800-1000whp/ahp!!! That would be cool to see a few fast 8sec street import out in the mix with the 8sec domestics.

Are we building one.. NO!!! I was debating, but have other plans... really did look into it.... never done anything RWD so the rear-end would've been the biggest obstacle. Was thinking of a 93 civic coupe(stripped and lightened down to say: 2500lb total weight) with a proven 2.0L B-series Vtec pushing 800-850whp on a GT42@45psi. G-Force conterclockwise tranny cost in the neighborhoods of $15K...maybe more! this would be an awesome combo. Maybe one day for sure when I hit the lottery....for sure though one day ... w/o a doubt;)

What about supras how come no one has a 8sec to low 9sec supra in WI...shoot there are connections just 2hrs away(SP). I know of only one in town, but may need more seat time to acquire good numbers.

Usually when one scene goes faster another scene does the same---vice versa. Honestly, it has seem as if the Import scene has cease in Milwaukee/Wisconsin. Hate to say it, but true!!! Am I halting? hell no!!! I'll have pics of my 9sec setup soon. Bullet proof motor near completion. next up to bat is my tranny.....:wooo :wow probably going to spend $5K easily just for parts to mod the tranny. :(

[GTSLOW]

I'm guessing the cost $$$.

[rally_scort]

why would you(a shop) be asking why us(regular joe-shmoes) dont spend rediculous amounts of money into a import? Seems like you would be the most capable funding wise, so why not :thumbsup

[Waver]

As many have seen, there are a good numbers of domestic BCM members that have ran 8sec at least once or twice this year in decently claimed street cars(honestly no one has a true 8sec DAILY DAILY DAILY driven street car...i know we can all agree on that).(

Dude, what do you call Andy's (boss lx) and Bobbys cars....they were driven on the street just about everyday this summer.....and isnt tri's supra in the 8's yet?

[nismodave]

If you would like to fund one of the RWD imports here on BCM, Im sure they would consider putting a sticker on the car with your shop name on it.

[WhatsADSM]

Because it takes a lot more than hp/weight to go 8s.

[LIZMO]

It's easy.

Money/Technology.

There are what 4/5 8 second and faster V8's on BCM. That's not THAT many.
how many IMPORT owners are there on here?

I know there is 3 Supra's in the Wisconsin area that could run deep into the'r if the 9's ever get done.

There is the RB'd FD RX7 from Green bay that said it WILL go low 9's. There is what a 9/8 second Conquest floating around up north too.

they will start to come out.

better question is How many 10 second ANY wheeld drive import is in wisconsin?

[twicks69]

I know of very few 9-second street imports in Wisconsin. I know of zero street imports in Wisconsin running 8's. Especially ones that are still running, or even owned by the same parties.

[Poncho]

I think the key word here is "Wisconsin" Thats why.

[2JZIS-F]

Na. Never ran and not going to. If i want a 8 or 9 sec. supra, it would be a bone stock body looking supra. Parts are tooo fckin expensive for these cars, i dont have much $$$ to wast it.

[Waver]

Na. Never ran and not going to. If i want a 8 or 9 sec. supra, it would be a bone stock body looking supra. Parts are tooo fckin expensive for these cars, i dont have much $$$ to wast it.

says the guy with two really nice high dollar sports cars lol

[LIZMO]

Na. Never ran and not going to. If i want a 8 or 9 sec. supra, it would be a bone stock body looking supra. Parts are tooo fckin expensive for these cars, i dont have much $$$ to wast it.

couldn't your car run well into the 9's on a Drag radial or slick?

[Exitspeed]

Honestly, it has seem as if the Import scene has cease in Milwaukee/Wisconsin.

The scene is slowing down around the whole country.

There are people all over having to sell their cars and companies are going under left and right.

Where the hell have you been?

It'll pick back up eventually. But it'll be a couple/few more years I think. I don't know if we'll see another peak like we did in the late 90's again for some time.

[Beagle]

Id almost have to say that there as many 8 second muscle cars on bcm as there are Imports running 10's.

[Bee]

thx for the replies guys... was just bored so thought i can converse a bit with you fellows. :thumbsup

i'm not doubting anyone's car being a true true true daily driven car since definitions come in different shapes and sizes, but are they driving it right now or better yet last night in the snow storm? ;) get my drift? :thumbsup

and even if a daily driven 8sec car was running on the streets in the summer time in a true 8sec trim he/she better have lots of race gas. AGAIN DAILY DRIVING---pick up viagra in the morning for later use, pick up groceries at noon, go fishing at lake delavan for 3 hrs(caught nothing but bluegills), cruise delavan strip(haha), cruise to culvers later at night, gun it a bit with a bike(turbo hayabusa) on the interstate, get diapers for girlfriend's babies(not your babies..hehe), head out to bar at 3:00am, pray not to get caught while heading home..and then repeat that almost on a DAILY basis... hmmm!!! that's what i meant as a true daily driven car. maybe some have pulled it off..hats off to anyone that did it.... "just my definition" don't want to step on anyone's ingrown toe...hehe :thumbsup

[Bee]

;) ;)

[Bee]

why would you(a shop) be asking why us(regular joe-shmoes) dont spend rediculous amounts of money into a import? Seems like you would be the most capable funding wise, so why not :thumbsup



yeah most BCM members don't want to spend it on an import right? yeah you're right. we haven't seen one yet so i can't elaborate with you. good answer....

nice answer.........nice answer........ummm.... nice answer :)

[Bee]

The scene is slowing down around the whole country.

There are people all over having to sell their cars and companies are going under left and right.

Where the hell have you been?

It'll pick back up eventually. But it'll be a couple/few more years I think. I don't know if we'll see another peak like we did in the late 90's again for some time.

been banging in bangcock dude!!! racing there is pretty cool... parts are dirt cheap there...couldn't believe it :wow

I know it'll pick up.......many shops have gone out of business as evident ... even reg. repair shops have shut down....scary:wow

[Bee]

I know of very few 9-second street imports in Wisconsin. I know of zero street imports in Wisconsin running 8's. Especially ones that are still running, or even owned by the same parties.

who are you mentioning? hmmm!!! there was an old school evo in burlington, wi that i could only think of. got 8's once and everyone discredited him...for some reason!!!

[Bee]

Id almost have to say that there as many 8 second muscle cars on bcm as there are Imports running 10's.

no way beagle. not that i know of... there are at least 5-6 8sec muscle car around here(could be 7-8 even)....or somewhat associated within bcm or bcm friends.
10sec imports: me, waldo, tom(550whp civic...not yet very close), simon(550+whp..not yet very close..hehe), EK civic in madison,___________,__________,__________,________ _______ feel free to fill them in....;););) 3 so far only....late and i'm tired so probably missing a few guys.. you could be right beagle....:thumbsup

tim and jake are 9sec cars so they don't count.

[Bee]

It's easy.

Money/Technology.

There are what 4/5 8 second and faster V8's on BCM. That's not THAT many.
how many IMPORT owners are there on here?

I know there is 3 Supra's in the Wisconsin area that could run deep into the'r if the 9's ever get done.

There is the RB'd FD RX7 from Green bay that said it WILL go low 9's. There is what a 9/8 second Conquest floating around up north too.

they will start to come out.


man if ams and these supposedly fast imports come out, it'll be a braw! Remember guys(owner of these super fast cars) if you are reading, don't waste your taxs on anything else, but to finish up your cars. money is a big issue and we all know that... BUDGETING is key. want to see them hauling @ss for 09'!

better question is How many 10 second ANY wheeld drive import is in wisconsin?


ok damn where have they been..... should be participating in Import Wars racing event at GLDW. forget about going 8sec. get your butts down here this spring and get it on.......HOPE THEY COME AND PLAY THIS YEAR :thumbsup

[70 cutlass 442]

couldn't your car run well into the 9's on a Drag radial or slick?

doubt it. my favorite saying is "what does a 400 HP supra and a 800HP supra have in common...... they both run 12s

[Beagle]

no way beagle. not that i know of... there are at least 5-6 8sec muscle car around here(could be 7-8 even)....or somewhat associated within bcm or bcm friends.
10sec imports: me, waldo, tom(550whp civic...not yet very close), simon(550+whp..not yet very close..hehe), EK civic in madison,___________,__________,__________,________ _______ feel free to fill them in....;););) 3 so far only....late and i'm tired so probably missing a few guys.. you could be right beagle....:thumbsup

tim and jake are 9sec cars so they don't count.


Well if your going up to highway your best bet is you will run into faster muscle cars than imports. I can honestly say the only close or is a ten second car that i saw the most was Simon.

[LIZMO]

doubt it. my favorite saying is "what does a 400 HP supra and a 800HP supra have in common...... they both run 12sLike Nick say's. that was somewhat funny a few years ago when it was halfway true.

The fastest STOCK TWIN TURBO supra with NO NITROUS.
went 10.59 @ 130mph 3100lbs BPU++++++++

There is a few people with close to Tri's setup that go anywhere from High 8's to low 9's.

i still say strap a bottle to the car put a Drag radial on it and run the fucker. :)

[ND4SPD]

Yeah, it was funny the first time I heard it... though my car is proof that isn't true anymore. :P And there is always someone faster Beagle... you of all people should know that. Whether you're running 8s in a domestic or you're running 8s in an import it costs money... and a lot of it because you're going to break stuff and you're also going to be wearing a lot of parts out really fast.

Most imports were designed around overall handling... not just straight line performance. So, things like all-ind. suspension, make it a bit harder to get into the 8s with an import. Especially when you don't have all the torque in the world to work with. I'm more impressed with what people have done with smaller displacement engines than with a big block. Anyone can make big power with a big f'in engine. It takes a little more finesse to do it with a sub-4 liter (and have it hold together).

[nismodave]

Like Nick say's. that was somewhat funny a few years ago when it was halfway true.

The fastest STOCK TWIN TURBO supra with NO NITROUS.
went 10.59 @ 130mph 3100lbs BPU++++++++

There is a few people with close to Tri's setup that go anywhere from High 8's to low 9's.

i still say strap a bottle to the car put a Drag radial on it and run the fucker. :)

Car makes the power, but like its been said, you need the suspenson.:rolleyes:

[Beagle]

Yeah, it was funny the first time I heard it... though my car is proof that isn't true anymore. :P And there is always someone faster Beagle... you of all people should know that. Whether you're running 8s in a domestic or you're running 8s in an import it costs money... and a lot of it because you're going to break stuff and you're also going to be wearing a lot of parts out really fast.

Most imports were designed around overall handling... not just straight line performance. So, things like all-ind. suspension, make it a bit harder to get into the 8s with an import. Especially when you don't have all the torque in the world to work with. I'm more impressed with what people have done with smaller displacement engines than with a big block. Anyone can make big power with a big f'in engine. It takes a little more finesse to do it with a sub-4 liter (and have it hold together).



Thats what im saying theres always someone faster and its going to be a domestic car 80% of the time. I like imports as much as anyone else just stating the facts.

[2JZIS-F]

doubt it. my favorite saying is "what does a 400 HP supra and a 800HP supra have in common...... they both run 12s
This comment is for people whos know nothing about it. :)

[Exitspeed]

Hey Bee, next to the quote button there's another button that looks like this http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/images/buttons/multiquote_off.gif. It's a Multi-quote button. You click it on every post you want to quote and then you can have one post replying to everyone. Give it a whirl. :thumbsup

Back on topic.

[boostin350z]

im hoping after my build my z would run low 10's, but thats really a question of me willing to swap out my suspension setup and brakes to make room for a set of hks's and mt's... but for the meantime, roadcourses catch my excitement

[Smokey1226]

Easy answer, bang for buck.

I've done so much research about building a few different platforms over the last 2 years and as much as i would love to do a big 2jz build, the money spent is totally unjustifiable to me.

Why would i spend $12k for a 3.4 Stroker kit when i can build a complete top of the line parts SBF 408w on a dart block set up for boost for $18k? And the 3.4 is just the stroker kit. A complete turbo setup to make 1200+ hp is going to cost $7-8k when a complete F2 setup is aroung $6-7k and The F2 is going to make more power.
Let alone getting a car to start with. Roller Fox's/Notches/Camaro's ect with cages, 9" rears, Tubbed, ready to go for Sub 10k.

Have you seen what you get out of a sub 10k supra? Not much


Can make more power, much cheaper i dont know why you wouldn't go that route?

[GTSLOW]

^ Thank you.

[Flicktitty]

Easy answer, bang for buck.

I've done so much research about building a few different platforms over the last 2 years and as much as i would love to do a big 2jz build, the money spent is totally unjustifiable to me.

Why would i spend $12k for a 3.4 Stroker kit when i can build a complete top of the line parts SBF 408w on a dart block set up for boost for $18k? And the 3.4 is just the stroker kit. A complete turbo setup to make 1200+ hp is going to cost $7-8k when a complete F2 setup is aroung $6-7k and The F2 is going to make more power.
Let alone getting a car to start with. Roller Fox's/Notches/Camaro's ect with cages, 9" rears, Tubbed, ready to go for Sub 10k.

Have you seen what you get out of a sub 10k supra? Not much


Can make more power, much cheaper i dont know why you wouldn't go that route?

simple to be differant.

And you should know better then most on here too. That you don't need that shit too go that fast. I mean REALLY how fast do you need/want to go?

My buddy had a 97 Supra with a SP built 3.0L,AEM EMS,all supporting mods, built head, cams, and a off the shelf turbo kit.

car made 670RWHP on low boost and into the 850rwhp range on C16.

That car laid the smack down on 99% of the shit it ever ran across. the only car he raced that he lost to was a 01 LS1 SS. Car had full bolt on, TH400,9" rear end. and a 200shot,full slick. My buddy was on pump gas and 18psi. and the camaro had him buy like 1/2 car at 130mph. after that the camaro had no chance.

I mean really, your gonna tell me a Fox body or a mid 90's fbody will really look that much better then a supra?

I don't know. Maybe it's just me but i would STILL build some "junk expensive import" like a supra over a camaro.

[Smokey1226]

Wait a minute, your looking at my reply in the wrong way. You know me better than to think that i would take a fox over a Supra in looks. Are you kidding me? I have like 200+ screensaver pics of ALL SUPRAS!!

And yes if this thread was about what is just about the perfect street car then yes i could easily build a supra for that.

However what you missed was he asked about an 8 Second street car. Now i've spoke with SAAD SAAD and WOON and Chris Johnson ect ect on PM's and what not and they will all tell you they spend WAYYYY too much money getting that fast. Now i love what they are doing because it allows guys like you and I to buy the parts that work right from the start instead of following in their footsteps and buying all kinds of parts and trying them.

However the thread was about 8 second cars, when it comes down to just pure out going fast ill take a Domestic platform anyday over that. Which is why you see a lot of guys going V8 swaps in supras.

[Flicktitty]

Wait a minute, your looking at my reply in the wrong way. You know me better than to think that i would take a fox over a Supra in looks. Are you kidding me? I have like 200+ screensaver pics of ALL SUPRAS!!

And yes if this thread was about what is just about the perfect street car then yes i could easily build a supra for that.

However what you missed was he asked about an 8 Second street car. Now i've spoke with SAAD SAAD and WOON and Chris Johnson ect ect on PM's and what not and they will all tell you they spend WAYYYY too much money getting that fast. Now i love what they are doing because it allows guys like you and I to buy the parts that work right from the start instead of following in their footsteps and buying all kinds of parts and trying them.

However the thread was about 8 second cars, when it comes down to just pure out going fast ill take a Domestic platform anyday over that. Which is why you see a lot of guys going V8 swaps in supras.

that's a valid point....

or you just put a 2J in a lighter / better drag stlye car..

fuck man, a PT76,TH400,all supporting mods in a fox body :) :thumbsup

[Smokey1226]

that's a valid point....

or you just put a 2J in a lighter / better drag stlye car..

fuck man, a PT76,TH400,all supporting mods in a fox body :) :thumbsup
lol, but that wont go 8's. :banana1:

Ok ok, ill one better ya......F2R, Glide, On Methanol In a fox body :thumbsup

[BeesTwinEG]

not into 8seconds cars ... i'm 99.9% sure you will not catch traction on street anyhow. Supras are nice but I still won't buy one.
Bee will be buildin somthing rwd/awd soon but he haven't decide it yet ;)
for me I will stick with my Honda FWD for now.

[Smokey1226]

not into 8seconds cars ... i'm 99.9% sure you will not catch traction on street anyhow.
See me on the other hand, im starting to grow out of trying to go super fast on the street. I have too much to lose now with all of my license's, special endorsements, ect or just getting older lol

But after you get to rome the pits at tracks with full of 7/8 second cars and watching them run......you will quickly learn why they are so impressive. No 2 runs are the same, the amount of expertise that goes into setting up a drag suspension is mind blowing, and actually racing for big money is fun too!

[BeesTwinEG]

im never a track fan lol :)
its lot fun to watch it on a "street" for big money race because u'll never know :banana who'll win.

[Waver]

im never a track fan lol :)
its lot fun to watch it on a "street" for big money race because u'll never know :banana who'll win.

but that is how it is at events like rsd

[BeesTwinEG]

but that is how it is at events like rsd

bahh street actions are little better.

[Smokey1226]

bahh street actions are little better.
Why? To me it's a waste of time as anything bad can happen. So to the guy who spends a TON of time and research to set up his car correctly, he could run into a patch of oil from a leaky truck, and wreck his/her car. Let alone losing licenses.

You need to stop watching Fast N the furious movies and start trying to race in true fwd drag series.

[ThatWhiteCivic]

not into 8seconds cars ... i'm 99.9% sure you will not catch traction on street anyhow. Supras are nice but I still won't buy one.
Bee will be buildin somthing rwd/awd soon but he haven't decide it yet ;)
for me I will stick with my Honda FWD for now.


Are you sure about that? I'm not 100% sure what the Fox Body runs 8s or 9s but seems like it does get traction. CLICKY LINK

http://s66.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Rob_0817/MVI_0470.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

[FourEyedFord]

Are you sure about that? I'm not 100% sure what the Fox Body runs 8s or 9s but seems like it does get traction. CLICKY LINK

http://s66.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Rob_0817/MVI_0470.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

That fox body went 11s at that time! :thumbsup

[twicks69]

That fox body went 11s at that time! :thumbsup

Hell, I think I even beat Mark around that time when we were over on Park Place way back in the day.

[Russ Jerome]

A #1700 car with driver requires about 500hp for 8's.
http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html

A 4-link properly weighted RWD will cut 1.1's with little
more than 300hp at the wheel on launch. An auto is the
obvious choice.
http://sites.google.com/site/russjerome/_/rsrc/1226812205835/Home/159.jpg
Done the math a 100 times but actualy finishing something
is a battle with beer every summer.

[ThatWhiteCivic]

Are you sure about that? I'm not 100% sure what the Fox Body runs 11s or 12s but seems like it does get traction. CLICKY LINK

http://s66.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid66.photobucket.com/albums/h267/Rob_0817/MVI_0470.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

Oh yeah, Fixed

[240nspec]

well Liz you'll be pushin high 11's to mid 12's soon right?

[Flicktitty]

Nah, That shit's weak it's only a 6cly...

maybe 14's.....on a good day.

[boostaddict14]

I run 9's






In the 1/8th with a strong back wind.

[boostaddict14]

I mean really in all honesty guys with the fastest imports on here Tim, Bee,simon,waldo,Tri and Dave are all grown ass men and make a good living. Most of us in the import community are still students, and or working, trying to figure out where we're going in life and aren't making good money especially to fund an 8sec street car. I have plans to make a high power car in my future but really 8's??? 9's is super fast on the street pretty much untouchable but 8's costs sooo much more money to hit than 9's on a 4-6cyl engine.

[2JZIS-F]

^^Stayed in school and finishing all the shits that you have to do. No need for high hp car, all you need is a nice well handling car. Take it to road of america have fun with it :)
Just my .2cents

[tommyboy]

someday this car may get close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSq2M9ymkA

[boostin350z]

in all honesty, if i could have had the chance to either keep my money or buy + build the z... id rather keep the money. id say i put as much into it as the car cost, and that disgusts me, especially when i factor in that i could have had a downpayment on a property or 2, and have something that some day will bring me money in my pocket, not a drivable liability.

[Al]

I want to see an 8 second S4.

It's a dream...I know.

[Flicktitty]

I want to see an 8 second S4.

It's a dream...I know.

isn't there a guy in NY that has a blue mid 9second one?

[1siksrt]

Someday I want to take a light mopar like a colt and go rwd, with a srt4 motor pushing 1000ish whp...Its been done with alot lower power #'s, but I would go nuts...

[Taetsch Z-24]

My chose for a import, if i got another one (after all, my GTO is a import) would be a Ford Escort.


But a 8 sec import, as in "honda".... Lots of money.


Chris