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[Silver03SRT]

Why is everyone saying Barrack will give me this and that blah blah blah. Didnt someone say ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

[rally_scort]

Why is everyone saying Barrack will give me this and that blah blah blah. Didnt someone say ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

problem with that, is that a good majority of area residents dont do shit for this country except suck on its big giant nipple.

[Mr Twigbert]

Why is everyone saying Barrack will give me this and that blah blah blah. Didnt someone say ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Because way too many people don't want to work to get what they want.. They want it given to them..


Welcome to the 'new' American society..

[CobraSnake]

Do these people really think it will just be given over to them for nothing?

[Mr Twigbert]

Do these people really think it will just be given over to them for nothing?

Yes, I REALLY do think they do..

[Exitspeed]

Because way too many people don't want to work to get what they want.. They want it given to them..


Welcome to the 'new' American society..

This isn't new, and that mentality has been around well before Obama ran for president.

[rally_scort]

This isn't new, and that mentality has been around well before Obama ran for president.

The difference is, it was never a tactic to gain votes such as it was this year :rolleyes:

[07ROUSHSTG3]

the real question is....


WHEN WE ALL THESE THREADS STOP, lol!

[jbiscuit]

Because way too many people don't want to work to get what they want.. They want it given to them..


Welcome to the 'new' SOCIALIST ECONOMY..

editted to reflect more accurate economic "CHANGE" to be brought about by our good pal Obama :punch:

[Feature Pony]

editted to reflect more accurate economic "CHANGE" to be brought about by our good pal Obama :punch:

Yes that is it, the ghetto did the safe vote and vote for the man that will give them everything. Even the dumb college kids that don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground some how linked on with this guy. You also got to love the s*** heads that also voted to increase sales tax??? WTF this isn't Cali there is no need for that if Scott Walker can't budget well then I think he needs to get paid less, why should we pay for these f*** ups! AHHHH great living in the USSA:fire:flipoff2:

You give Obama your hard earned cash and he will make you change after he taxes the hell out of us. I can't wait to see the a$$ hats that voted for him call his bluff 2 years from now and go what were we thinking?

[ND4SPD]

Remember, it's no longer the "American Dream" (meaning you might actually have to do some work to achieve it)... Barry has declared that it is now the "American Promise" (meaning you are entitled to success... even if you don't have to work for it).

[Goat Roper]

the real question is....


WHEN WE ALL THESE THREADS STOP, lol!

Agreed. It is over. Fine to discuss the pros and cons of each candidate before the election but afterwards it is complaining about your team losing. Did any of you who wanted McCain to win do anything to help him? Did you donate? Did you give time to the campaign? Did you do anything for your candidate besides bitch and complain about the guy he was running against?

I did and I would have been content in knowing I did what I could for my candidate, not just riding a keyboard on the internet.

The person who won will never do anything right for you, ever, we get it.

[michelle]

Agreed. It is over. Fine to discuss the pros and cons of each candidate before the election but afterwards it is complaining about your team losing. Did any of you who wanted McCain to win do anything to help him? Did you donate? Did you give time to the campaign? Did you do anything for your candidate besides bitch and complain about the guy he was running against?

I did and I would have been content in knowing I did what I could for my candidate, not just riding a keyboard on the internet.

The person who won will never do anything right for you, ever, we get it.

x2. Bitching and complaining about what he is going to do to ruin your life is pointless. It's not like he can wake up one day and pass all these new laws. It's a longer process and other people need to agree too.

Let's go back to calling people out for races that will never happen.

[tommyt5078]

Remember, it's no longer the "American Dream" (meaning you might actually have to do some work to achieve it)... Barry has declared that it is now the "American Promise" (meaning you are entitled to success... even if you don't have to work for it).



That's a nice quote.



How on earth did people of Milwaukee vote yes to the sales tax thing is way over my head :confused


I hope the new sick pay thing doesn't hurt anyone that owns a company on here.



Good luck Obama and the good old USA...............

[That_Guy]

im going to go down to the milwaukee court house and ask for my fee handout

[ND4SPD]

Oh... it's not over. As has been said in a different thread, we have had to sit and listen to people bitch and complain, second guess (without offering an alternative) every single decision Bush has made over the past 8 years. Turnabout is fair play. After all, how many years did we have to listen to the "Bush stole the election" B.S. or the chants of "Bush lied, people died?" Now because "the One" has been elected (by an electorate that has shown the biggest case of collective ignorance in the history of the country)... we're just supposed to shut up? I don't think so. No, I think I will pass the next four to eight years by giving my liberal friends a healthy dose of the crap they subjected me to over the past eight. And you know what... I plan on enjoying it.:devil

Whenever Barry blows a big decision... I'm going to be there pointing it out. Whenever Biden shoots his mouth off and promptly stuffs his foot down his throat... I'm going to point it out. Why? Not because I was some sort of rubber stamp for the Bush administration... but because the Democrats in Washington love to believe they're without fault... and I'm going to take great pleasure in pointing out their every failing. I've had to listen to 8 years of Bush is a moron... well, for as supposedly stupid as W was... at least he knows how many states there are... doesn't need to make up stories about how he was conceived, or stories about how his grandfather liberated a concentration camp that was in fact liberated by the Russian Red Army.

You won't be able to blame the Republicans any more... it's all in your lap now boys and girls. Let's see Obama part those waters... or calm those seas. Let's see if his executive abilities live up to his rockstar like billing. Let's see what damage... er... progress the Democratic Party can achieve when those bad old Republicans can't stop them. Prove to us you're the "superior" party.:durr

[ND4SPD]

That's a nice quote.



How on earth did people of Milwaukee vote yes to the sales tax thing is way over my head :confused


Because they're under the mistaken impression that the council will actually FOLLOW THROUGH with property tax reduction. The simple fact of the matter is that the council has never stuck to any sort of pledge to maintain property tax relief with increased sales taxes. You also have legislators already trying to think up new uses for the stadium tax once it's paid for. You didn't really think it was going away once the stadium was paid for did you?

[Korndogg]

So why don't you wait until he does something wrong first and then start bitching about it. For fvcks sakes its the day after the election.

[WhatsADSM]

Didn't you guys actually read the sales tax referendum? The reason the sales tax increase passed is because Milwaukee County plans on increasing the sales tax so that they can decrease Milwaukee County property tax. We all know how bad property tax is in Milwaukee County... hell I pay over $7000 a year, just in taxes, for a 1900 sq. foot house. So a lot of people figured they would rather foot the bill in sales tax (which BTW people outside of Milwaukee County also help pay) and in turn lower their property tax.

With that said, I actually voted "NO" to the sales tax increase because I know Milwaukee's history with taxes and I know exactly what will happen. Property taxes will go down and other government entities will begin to raise them again leaving us paying both high sales tax and high property tax.

[ND4SPD]

LOL! Why should Obama be given any more courtesy than GW was given? The media started right in on W too... saying he wasn't legitimate because he hadn't won the popular vote. Hell, there were already bumper stickers out that said as much before he was even inaugerated. The difference this time is that Obama has the mainstream media in his back pocket. For all practical purposes they handed this election to him on a silver platter by suppressing negative stories and negatively editorializing news stories about McCain.

I guess everyone has forgotten the outrage and the criticisms from eight years ago. Or maybe just don't see it because they were the whiney losers last time.:D

[WhatsADSM]

Because they're under the mistaken impression that the council will actually FOLLOW THROUGH with property tax reduction. The simple fact of the matter is that the council has never stuck to any sort of pledge to maintain property tax relief with increased sales taxes. You also have legislators already trying to think up new uses for the stadium tax once it's paid for. You didn't really think it was going away once the stadium was paid for did you?

Yup. I totally agree. And a classic example of Milwaukee's history with sales tax is Miller Park... That was actually supposed to be a temporary tax while the stadium was being built. However they realize that people just get used to it and forget about it so instead they never removed it and instead used it for increases in funding for other areas of County government. IMO the best way to deal with taxes in Milwaukee County is not to touch them, or give them the ability to restructure the way they get the money, because in the end if you do they will just find a way to sneak in more tax burden.

[Rocket Power]

WTF this isn't Cali there is no need for that if Scott Walker can't budget well then I think he needs to get paid less, why should we pay for these f*** ups! AHHHH great living in the USSA:fire:flipoff2:


Walker sends a budget to the board every time with NO tax increases. Then they add them in when they pass a budget, he veto's it and they override it. The same thing will happen with this sales tax deal if you don't talk to your county supervisor when it comes up for a vote. The only 2 suburbs that voted for it were West Milwaukee and Shorewood, and of course Milwaukee. It was only advisory but these county board members love to spend money, so they'll take it and run with it.
For property tax relief my ass, they have that power everytime the budget comes up , but they insist on raising the taxes.

[Goat Roper]

LOL! Why should Obama be given any more courtesy than GW was given? The media started right in on W too... saying he wasn't legitimate because he hadn't won the popular vote.

Thank you for answering your own question.

[ND4SPD]

I'm just pointing out hypocrisy where I see it.

[Goat Roper]

Those three weeks, or two, whatever it was, were some of the most emotionally charged politically in decades. This was charged but was spread out over hell, what seemed like years. Overnight in 2000 we suddenly had a giant drama on our hands that quite frankly, wasn't handled well by either side. That shit will be discussed long after we are gone.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

what do you guys pay for sales tax down there. i am at 5%.

[Rocket Power]

5.5 or 5.6 soon to be over 6%:fire

[SSDude]

How on earth did people of Milwaukee vote yes to the sales tax thing is way over my head :confused



That was the most misleading/poorly written referendum I've ever seen. Most morons voting don't want to read the details. After the first sentence stupid people will just check "Yes"


“Shall the State of Wisconsin grant Milwaukee County the authority to provide property tax relief of at least sixty-seven million dollars ($67 million) by levying a one percent county use and sales tax to be used to remove the following three items from the property tax levy: parks, recreation and culture; transit and emergency medical services (EMS)?”



I hope the new sick pay thing doesn't hurt anyone that owns a company on here.


Most offices and non union companies in Milwaukee will adopt whats called PTO (Paid Time Off). The employee will be given a pool of hours that incorporate vacation, sick days etc. So these people will see no net gain on paid days off. NML has this already.
Places with labor contracts, the unions will hold the upper hand on this over their employers.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Why would an employer want to locate in Milwaukee?

[Goat Roper]

NML has this already.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.


We just made it through our first year with the new PTO model (versus vacation day model) at NM and I have to say it worked out better than some thought it would. You have a bank of hours, which obviously varied with tenure, etc and if you wanted to take PTO you just logged into a site and scheduled the hours out of your calendar.

NM actually has free lunch everyday :thumbsup

[Breecher_7]

Ive done alot for my country......

I want my free shit now!!! :rolf

Fvck Obama..... :flipoff2:

[Reverend Cooper]

Did someone say nipple?

[nismodave]

Agreed. It is over. Fine to discuss the pros and cons of each candidate before the election but afterwards it is complaining about your team losing. Did any of you who wanted McCain to win do anything to help him? Did you donate? Did you give time to the campaign? Did you do anything for your candidate besides bitch and complain about the guy he was running against?

I did and I would have been content in knowing I did what I could for my candidate, not just riding a keyboard on the internet.

The person who won will never do anything right for you, ever, we get it.

Oh Im sorry, are we being to harsh on the President-elect?

Well the shoe is on the other foot now. People like us, who recognize a person who was elected to office due to the way looks and the promise of EVENING, out America are not going to sit and just accept it.

Myself, and many others will continue to bash this mutherfvcker until he is voted out.

We learned how to do that......From the left.

[ND4SPD]

Those three weeks, or two, whatever it was, were some of the most emotionally charged politically in decades. This was charged but was spread out over hell, what seemed like years. Overnight in 2000 we suddenly had a giant drama on our hands that quite frankly, wasn't handled well by either side. That shit will be discussed long after we are gone.

Give me a break. There was probably MORE election fraud in Ohio and Pennsylvania EACH this time around than there was in Florida in 2000. Is the GOP mounting an effort to steal the election after the fact, as the Dems did in 2000? No. And the crap that was pulled this year makes what happened in 2000 pale by comparison. You have Black Panthers intimidating voters in Pennsylvania, ACORN registering phony voters by the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. People in New York and Illinois illegally voting in Ohio and Wisconsin. MULTIPLE reports of MULTIPLE people voting MULTIPLE times (and that's just the one's we've found out about)... where's the outrage? In 2000 you had a bunch of people who didn't take the time to read the instructions they were given, or to make sure they'd punched their ballot properly. In 2000 you had idiocy and complacency that led to the little crisis that supposedly excuses the loser's vitriolic bitching for the next 8 years.... this year you have a concerted effort by one party to stuff the ballot box and yet there's no outrage. Sure maybe this time around it wouldn't have mattered... but then why does that matter? If they're allowed to get away with it this time, who says next time it won't matter... are they going to be allowed to get away with it then too?

[michelle]

Oh Im sorry, are we being to harsh on the President-elect?

Well the shoe is on the other foot now. People like us, who recognize a person who was elected to office due to the way looks and the promise of EVENING, out America are not going to sit and just accept it.

Myself, and many others will continue to bash this mutherfvcker until he is voted out.

We learned how to do that......From the left.

And you don't think McCain chose his potential VP based on looks? Come on, give me a break. Since Hillary didn't get the VP pick, he took it as a great opportunity to get a woman involved in hopes to get the votes that Hillary would have received, as some women probably would have voted for her simply because she has a vagina.

I hate that excuse for why Obama won. Okay, he's black (or partially, whatever). Get over it. The majority of African Americans have statistically voted Democrat for years, so why should their political views change because of the race of the candidate? If McCain was black, do you really think that the majority of black people would have voted for him simply based on the color of his skin?

[nismodave]

I voted for McCain and Palin because of thier stance on issues. Even though I didnt agree with everything McCain has done, hes Pro-Life and feels that unborn children should have rights.

That is one of the biggest issues for me.

Do I think Palin is attractive? Yes. But Im more impressed with what she has done for her State, than her looks.

[70 cutlass 442]

And you don't think McCain chose his potential VP based on looks? Come on, give me a break. Since Hillary didn't get the VP pick, he took it as a great opportunity to get a woman involved in hopes to get the votes that Hillary would have received, as some women probably would have voted for her simply because she has a vagina.

I hate that excuse for why Obama won. Okay, he's black (or partially, whatever). Get over it. The majority of African Americans have statistically voted Democrat for years, so why should their political views change because of the race of the candidate? If McCain was black, do you really think that the majority of black people would have voted for him simply based on the color of his skin?

Sarah palin has accomplished more in her carrear then Obama will ever come close to. She has uncovered crooked and coorrupt politics while obama has created them. Many people voted for him because they think they will get hand outs. and that alone won the election for him.

[ND4SPD]

And you don't think McCain chose his potential VP based on looks? Come on, give me a break. Since Hillary didn't get the VP pick, he took it as a great opportunity to get a woman involved in hopes to get the votes that Hillary would have received, as some women probably would have voted for her simply because she has a vagina.


Here we go, yes Hillary has "30 years" of legislative experience. :rolleyes: that makes her so much better than Palin how exactly? Hillary has BARELY more experience than Obama... so if Palin was an empty suited woman, then guess what... so was Hillary and so is Obama. Having a "D" after your name doesn't bend the laws of physics such that you can warp the space time continuum so you can have as much experience as you have imagination. Palin was chosen because she was the closest thing to a Conservative that was available from the available candidates. She was chosen to re-energize the conservative base because McCain is just about as far from conservatism as you can be and still keep your "R". The silly thing you democrats don't realize is you probably could have gotten MORE of your agenda through with McCain. After Obama's constant triangulation and opinion shifting their platforms were practically the same with small differences.



I hate that excuse for why Obama won. Okay, he's black (or partially, whatever). Get over it. The majority of African Americans have statistically voted Democrat for years, so why should their political views change because of the race of the candidate? If McCain was black, do you really think that the majority of black people would have voted for him simply based on the color of his skin?

Of course they wouldn't. After all, everyone knows that a black republican is AUTOMATICALLY an Uncle Tom. Look at Powell. He was called a race-traitor, uncle tom, etc... for YEARS. But, now, because he's supporting a Democrat... all's forgiven. Powell isn't any different, probably doesn't have any different views than he ever had. He was a "good soldier" and did what he was told... but it was no secret that he and (both) Bush administrations didn't see eye-to-eye. So, you're a race-traitor for being black and conservative, but if you're black and liberal, you're fine? You know what that's called? Hypocrisy... and the Democrats are FULL of it.

[Voodoo Chick]

Come on.......Would someone please challenge someone else to a race? Or call them a douche? Or talk sh*t about their car?? I miss the old BCM, lol........

[Yooformula]

wow it is funny how the dem fans forget ALL of the bashing they have been doing. you cant really think rep fans are going to just stop do you???????????????? lololololol long ass 4 years. i hope is skin is tough!

[Goat Roper]

Oh Im sorry, are we being to harsh on the President-elect?

Well the shoe is on the other foot now. People like us, who recognize a person who was elected to office due to the way looks and the promise of EVENING, out America are not going to sit and just accept it.

Myself, and many others will continue to bash this mutherfvcker until he is voted out.

We learned how to do that......From the left.

Sour grapes my friends, sour grapes. When Obama f's up I will be there to agree with you 110%, but the guy was just elected around 36 hours ago and hasn't left Chicago.

And don't give me the "Well the left bashed Bush in 2000 before he was sworn in" line, that was a completely different election. And in this case Obama won the electoral college (by alot) AND won the popular vote. Please tell me how if McCain had won the popular vote but actually lost the electoral college how you would not be doing and saying the exact same things as were said about Bush? Hell, what am I saying, you guys are doing it anyway and it wasn't even close.

Sit back, take a deep breath and relax. Ranting and raving for the sake of ranting and raving will not help your cause. If you truly don't like what has happened become involved (that isn't to you Dave, I know you were working for the Repub party which I respect). You have four years to work on getting rid of the guy you don't like. Sure, bitch and complain, but wait for the guy to actually do something wrong since the election was won by a good margin.

[rally_scort]

I still wet the bed :(

[lordairgtar]

This is something I posted on a DJ/Karaoke forum.
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PostPosted: Yesterday at 8:56 pm
There are too many conflicting things going on in this thread. Here is my take. Governments make mistakes that people have passionate arguments about. Governments are made up of people who also have passionate ideas. People are imperfect. There is no perfect person or candidate. I have voted Republican for most of my voting life. I did however vote Democrat for local races when I was young. My Grandfather's cousin was the Honorable Clement J. Zablocki (D) from the state of Wisconsin. My dalliance into Democratic Presidents was the one time I voted for Carter. I voted Republican after that period of malaise. In this past election, I supported McCain. My guy obviously didn't win. I always respect the office of President, so in saying that, President-elect Barrack Obama will have my respect and support. Does that mean I will be agreeing with everything he does? No! But I will engage in letter writing to my representatives in the House and Senate and even the President. I want how I feel known to these elected officials. This is what we as American citizens have the right to do. By the people, of the people, for the people. These people serve us. If they don't, vote them out! Obviously, enough people thought the current admin did not serve the interest of us. A new party and new person now have that job. Just because the man in office is not the one you supported does not mean that the new guy doesn't represent you any less. I am a conservative fiscally. I am a born again Christian. That said, I understand the world and indeed our country consists of all manner of ideas, cultures, needs. Even though I have disagreed with many on this forum, I don't think I ever called anyone a bad name. Some discussions are a bit heated, though. In the event some of my attempts to inject humor were mis-understood (forgot to insert appropriate smilie), for that I apologize.
I sincerely wish our new President-elect all the best and pray that he avails himself to wise council and surrounds himself with those who are knowledgeable in the ways of government. I found his acceptance speech inspiring, almost to the point of being Reaganesque. We are all Americans. We are the greatest nation on Earth. I still believe we can do great things. I believe we are the shining city on the hill. Also, do not think that a strong defensive posture is war-mongering...I hate war, I think it's a bad way to a worse end. But I do believe that it is sometimes necessary to show our strength. I pray the leaders of our great land use care and wisdom when confronted with it.

I am making a simple request here. There is a speech that Ronald Reagan made during the campaign for Barry Goldwater's Presidential run. Awesome stuff! Well, this is where I sign off. I am The Mighty Lord Air Gtar...and I told you so. Cool
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[nismodave]

Sour grapes my friends, sour grapes. When Obama f's up I will be there to agree with you 110%, but the guy was just elected around 36 hours ago and hasn't left Chicago.

And don't give me the "Well the left bashed Bush in 2000 before he was sworn in" line, that was a completely different election. And in this case Obama won the electoral college (by alot) AND won the popular vote. Please tell me how if McCain had won the popular vote but actually lost the electoral college how you would not be doing and saying the exact same things as were said about Bush? Hell, what am I saying, you guys are doing it anyway and it wasn't even close.

Sit back, take a deep breath and relax. Ranting and raving for the sake of ranting and raving will not help your cause. If you truly don't like what has happened become involved (that isn't to you Dave, I know you were working for the Repub party which I respect). You have four years to work on getting rid of the guy you don't like. Sure, bitch and complain, but wait for the guy to actually do something wrong since the election was won by a good margin.

I will continue to rant and bitch for the next 4 years. Turn about is fair play. I will continue to support my party and NOT support people and businesses that support this shithead who got voted in.

Where are your cute sig pics? ;)

[Goat Roper]

Where are your cute sig pics? ;)

Funny enough that on election day I noticed that the domain I had registered had expired, the emails to re-up it were being sent to an old email I never checked anymore, so as opposed to big red X's on Tuesday or moving them to another domain I just removed them. Kind of like cheering for the Brewer's in the '08 playoffs anyway :D

I respect your right to complain, carry on

[HAMRHEAD]

I will continue to rant and bitch for the next 4 years. Turn about is fair play. I will continue to support my party and NOT support people and businesses that support this shithead who got voted in.

Yep :banana1: