Paid sick days in milwaukee.

[turbogarrett]

This could be extremely damaging to our local economy and potentially crippling to area small buisnesses. I know we can not absorb 9 paid sick days per full time employee. Might have to seriously look into relocating!

[Mr Twigbert]

YAY! More taxes.. Just what I wanted for X-mas!

Guess we can kiss the $1.00 menu good bye.. Now it's gonna be the $1.95 menu..

[Silver350]

I think 9 days is a little much. I see more people calling in sick when they are not. Where now you were ligitimatly ill

[xxtremeteam]

so I dont live in milwaukee but i work there did this pass? im unsure how i feel I know i personally wouldnt abuse it but alot would

[CobraSnake]

did this pass last night or what???

[Mr Twigbert]

I have no problem if you work full time you probably should get some sick days.. But, to force it down the throats of small businesses is gonna hurt them.. Why don't we just keep going and make them offer insurance too? Fugg it.. Make them provide housing too..

[turbogarrett]

Yes it was like 70% for 30% against.

[Prince Valiant]

Yes, it passed. Further intrusion by the gov't, dictating business owners relationship/benefits with their employees.

Once people with little-no investement in the gov't figure out they can vote themselves pretty much anything (what's next? 1 month paid vacation?), they'll keep using the power of government to dictate what they want...until private citizens decide not to give them anything anymore.

[Rocket Power]

yep 68-32%:fire
Along with the sales tax increase:fire:fire:fire

[xxtremeteam]

hmm i wonder how this will work where i work I assume they will email us about it

[DR.FORD]

Gee, I wonder how many will lose a week or two's vacation for this!!
Make stuff like this law, the "gimmes" will suffer and go away.

[ND4SPD]

Now, watch them all bitch when their bosses cut their pay... to pay for this ridiculous idea. It's such a bad idea even the MAYOR is against it!

[94greenbandit]

I don't get any sick days as it is.

So what is the sales tax going up to

[4eyedstang]

most places i have worked for gave me 10 days of paid vacation. now they will get there 9 days mandated by law and the employer will just bank the extra day and eliminate all vacation time. no loss to the employer just the workers. IMO

[ND4SPD]

Or the employers (at leas the ones that can) will pull up stakes and move out of Milwaukee. The Milwaukee common council is determined to make the city of Milwaukee a tax island. Wheel taxes, increased sales taxes, mandated sick time... what's next? Mandated vacation time? Because everyone should be entitled to take some time off... right?

[Feature Pony]

yep 68-32%:fire
Along with the sales tax increase:fire:fire:fire

And the funny thing is how they worded the sales tax question, I bet a lot of non educated people got that one messed up!:loser

[T-Bag]

Bwahaha I'm glad I don't live in Milwaukee.

Seriously though that's pretty damn ridiculous. I can't believe how left wing this city is.

[That_Guy]

yep 68-32%:fire
Along with the sales tax increase:fire:fire:fire

thats because there is a certain group of uneducated ignorant fucks who think its a good thing ..

[ND4SPD]

Bwahaha I'm glad I don't live in Milwaukee.

Seriously though that's pretty damn ridiculous. I can't believe how left wing this city is.

You need to visit madison. I'll try to post pictures of some billboards for you after dinner... advertisments for the local leftwing newspapers. If you think Milwaukee is bad...

[turbogarrett]

most places i have worked for gave me 10 days of paid vacation. now they will get there 9 days mandated by law and the employer will just bank the extra day and eliminate all vacation time. no loss to the employer just the workers. IMO

We are a small union contractor and can not take away vacation or other benefits should the employees decide they don't want to come in.

The amount of paid days off will depend on how many hours worked, so even part time employees will be eligible for them.

How does crap like this even get on the ballot with an economic climate like this?

Jobs will be eliminated and some small buisnesses will relocate equalling less tax revenue to the city and more tax burden on its citizens.

Obama in office I can deal with and hope he lives up to some of his promises, but this is just wrong.

[Cryptic]

These things never seem very well thought out. Salary vs hourly? Some companies might already have agreements with Unions. Yeah this could chase away alot of employers

[ND4SPD]

That's the thing... they haven't thought it out. Its blatant pandering. I find it funny how Obama and his supporters have run ads attacking Republicans saying it's "their fault" jobs go overseas... well, here you have a prime example of why jobs go away. If you start mandating stuff like this you are going to price yourself right out of a job. Which would you rather have? A job... or no job (but if you had one you could have 9 sick days a year).

BTW: Billboards I mentioned...

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/xND4SPDx/Funny/FORWARD.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/xND4SPDx/Funny/WORK1.jpg

Look familiar at all? For those who are a product of modern liberal schools who routinely skip over the 1944 to 1989 era (because it reflects poorly on socialism)...

http://www.oph.gov.au/images/petrov/pictures/PTV-i1424_l.jpg

http://www.crestock.com/uploads/blog/2008/propagandaposters/01.jpg

I'm not even going to go into the cutsey Obama pictures that are done in the same form. But I wrote a letter to the editor back when I first saw these billboards in protest. Of course the letter wasn't printed. From the design of the Madison.Com star logo, to the prominent use of reds and grays... these were deliberate throwbacks to Soviet propaganda posters.

All I would have to do is Photoshop Cyrillic letters in place of their english counterparts and you'd swear the photos were taken pre-1989 in Russia or Eastern Europe.

[jamest]

The only hope for the sick day ordinance is that someone takes it to court. Hopefully there is a judge with some common sense that will reject this moronic idea. The mayor might be a liberal but he isn't stupid.

[Reverend Cooper]

hey just another reason for companies to either not open in milwaukee or move outta milwaukee,believe dat

[Rocket Power]

I heard on the radio it was done on a petition and when they get enough sigs on one they have to put it on the ballot.

So basically they are a bunch of people in Milwaukee who want to get something for nothing, imagine my shock when I heard that:goof

[Car Guy]

Those billboards are UNBELIEVABLE...!!! :fire :flipoff2: :chair:

[jamest]

Well the MMAC is planning on taking it to court. Hopefully it will tie it up there for awhile.

MMAC notifies city of potential lawsuit over sick pay
By Joel Dresang of the Journal Sentinel
Nov. 5, 2008 3:16 p.m. | The Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce notified the City of Milwaukee today that it may present a legal challenge to a binding referendum passed Tuesday by City of Milwaukee voters that would require private employers in the city to provide paid sick leave benefits.

"It is the MMAC's intention to take a close look at these issues and strongly consider a court challenge to prevent this ordinance from going into effect," the organization said in a statement.

The ordinance was brought directly to voters through a seldom-used process through which more than 40,000 Milwaukee residents petitioned for the legislation. The campaign for paid sick leave was led by labor and community groups, including 9to5 National Association of Working Women.

[GRAMPS SS]

hey just another reason for companies to either not open in milwaukee or move outta milwaukee,believe dat

X2..........

i heard today from a client that MARCUS may pull out of milwaukee because of this...anyone else hear that...they are big and for milwaukee to lose them would be just a start of companies to move out to the burbs...

[SSDude]

From another thread



How on earth did people of Milwaukee vote yes to the sales tax thing is way over my head :confused



That was the most misleading/poorly written referendum I've ever seen. Most morons voting don't want to read the details. After the first sentence stupid people will just check "Yes"


“Shall the State of Wisconsin grant Milwaukee County the authority to provide property tax relief of at least sixty-seven million dollars ($67 million) by levying a one percent county use and sales tax to be used to remove the following three items from the property tax levy: parks, recreation and culture; transit and emergency medical services (EMS)?”



I hope the new sick pay thing doesn't hurt anyone that owns a company on here.


Most offices and non union companies in Milwaukee will adopt whats called PTO (Paid Time Off). The employee will be given a pool of hours that incorporate vacation, sick days etc. So these people will see no net gain on paid days off. NML has this already.
Places with labor contracts, the unions will hold the upper hand on this over their employers.

http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/User/dwalton/sick_leave_ref.DOC.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Why would an employer want to locate in Milwaukee?

[SSDude]

I heard on the radio it was done on a petition and when they get enough sigs on one they have to put it on the ballot.


That's a tactic that should be used for better things like concealed carry. Or?

[Reverend Cooper]

^ agreeed x 11 billionty

[Feature Pony]

“Shall the State of Wisconsin grant Milwaukee County the authority to provide property tax relief of at least sixty-seven million dollars ($67 million) by levying a one percent county use and sales tax to be used to remove the following three items from the property tax levy: parks, recreation and culture; transit and emergency medical services (EMS)?”

The funny thing that after the tax passed Scott Walker came out and said it probably wont be used for property tax relief. God I love these nice crooks of ours that uneducated people put in office because they look cool. WTF

[Reverend Cooper]

maybe we can all just not work and get paychecks and bitch still sounds good to me

[SSDude]

This non binding referendum will go to the state legislature for approval. If they approve it, it will come back to the board for a vote. Walker will veto it and the board will need two thirds to over ride it.
I think someone mentioned only Milwaukee, West Milwaukee and another burb voted to approve this. Most communities in the county were against it so the board members from these communities may be reluctant to over ride the veto.
When the time comes these board members will need to be pounded.

[Nick]

I'm glad I get my mandatory 15 paid vacation days per year.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

according to 620 this morning, it will be going to court.

[Nick]

It's still up to employees to manage their ability to call in sick or not. Employers can fire anyone at anytime for any reason and most of the time, they are not required to give a reason. If they are calling in sick for bullshit reasons, they can be fired. If they are in the hospital, they can obtain the pay.

There are a lot of factors people don't understand, can't understand, and won't take into consideration when thinking about this.

The only thing this does is increase accountability on the employee's behalf and give employers more of a reason to fire off problematic and abusive employees which I completely agree with. The pay itself, no.

[GRNDNL]

Employers can fire anyone at anytime for any reason and most of the time, they are not required to give a reason.

Thats not exactly true unless you want to pay a year of unemployement and/or get sued....The only reasons you can fire someone is harassment or a documented attendance issue. There use to be a probation period were you could get rid of "problems" but thats not the case anymore. You would not believe the crap we had to deal with when I was at Quad.

If you live in Milwaukee........Bawhahahaha.......

[Prince Valiant]

There are a lot of factors people don't understand, can't understand, and won't take into consideration when thinking about this. Oh, please, enlighten us. :rolleyes:

[Chalky]

I don't live in Milwaukee and do not spend money in Milwaukee. I do find it strange how the common council continues to line their pockets, and remain free from prosecution with few exceptions. I ams till trying to figure out how Holloway has not paid the city the $160,000 for the home he sold the city.

The more these thieves get away with, the more empowered they become. I ht ink they really feel that they are invincible and above the law. Common Council, MPS, as two examples. I am just amazed at what tax paying people will tolerate.

Not even sure Milwaukee gives a shit about white collar crime anymore as long as they can impose a significant payment from the person who comitted the crime.

[Nick]

Oh, please, enlighten us. :rolleyes:
I also said I don't agree with it.

[lordairgtar]

ND4SPD, Poster art with bold colors and broad stocks of the brush have long been the style of the Soviet Union and China, but our patriotic posters of WWII used a similar style. The CCCP just used it longer and to greater effect.

[0TransAm0]

so this is ONLY for milwaukee right? and is it for all buisnesses?

[pOrk]

The 1% Sales tax increase will do wonders for our local economy, and especially compared to Chicago this is NOTHING. Do you guys understand what this tax is going to cover? Any home owner that says the sales tax increase was a bad thing is a damn fool.

[05caddyext]

Wisconsin is a Right to Work state. That means by law that they can fire you for anything at any time. You are under no contract, your job is on a day-to-day basis. Read your employers application that you sign when you fill it out. Somewhere in that huge paragraph on the back it says right to work, no contract blah blah.

[pOrk]

Wisconsin is a Right to Work state. That means by law that they can fire you for anything at any time. You are under no contract, your job is on a day-to-day basis. Read your employers application that you sign when you fill it out. Somewhere in that huge paragraph on the back it says right to work, no contract blah blah.

It is, but if you, as an employer, don't follow the process then you WILL be paying unemployment for up to 6 months.

The rights a deadbeat has are outrageous, people at my place of employment show up half of their scheduled work week for WEEKS at a time, and don't get fired because the company 1. Doesn't want to pay to hire new people ( Drug Testing, Background Checks, Physicals ) or 2. Doesn't want to pay 6 months unemployment to people who don't earn their paychecks to begin with. Its incredible.

[Rocket Power]

The 1% Sales tax increase will do wonders for our local economy, and especially compared to Chicago this is NOTHING. Do you guys understand what this tax is going to cover? Any home owner that says the sales tax increase was a bad thing is a damn fool.
I don't trust that they will deliver property tax relief with it like they say. These are the same clowns that get handed a no tax increase budget from walker then add shit into it to raise the taxes.

[LIZMO]

as cool as it would be, i think its kinda stupid, people are just gonna call in sick when they 'dont feel like working' what normal person is sick 9 days a year? cuz im pretty sure i haven't even called in sick 9 times since i started working when i was 14 (minus a few times when i called in for other reasons)

[turbogarrett]

The 1% Sales tax increase will do wonders for our local economy, and especially compared to Chicago this is NOTHING. Do you guys understand what this tax is going to cover? Any home owner that says the sales tax increase was a bad thing is a damn fool.

At least a homeowner can right off property taxes.

[94greenbandit]

as cool as it would be, i think its kinda stupid, people are just gonna call in sick when they 'dont feel like working' what normal person is sick 9 days a year? cuz im pretty sure i haven't even called in sick 9 times since i started working when i was 14 (minus a few times when i called in for other reasons)

Understandable but a lot of people with kids use their sick days for when their kids are sick. Don't you ever feel under the weather on those nice days :thumbsup

[CannotPost]

as cool as it would be, i think its kinda stupid, people are just gonna call in sick when they 'dont feel like working' what normal person is sick 9 days a year? cuz im pretty sure i haven't even called in sick 9 times since i started working when i was 14 (minus a few times when i called in for other reasons)


That is the problem with this law..... There seem to be very very few "normal people" these days.

I would perfer my employer *not* provide sick days and give me a raise instead. Then I can choose where my money goes.

[theavenger333]

remember, you have to EARN the sick days. i read up on it today, the vote was just to allow people to earn them through tenure, hours worked, lack of absences, good standing with the company, etc. i really don't see it hurting too much, because the crappy employees already stink, and do stuff like call in, so they won't earn any of the paid sick days. honestly Garrett, if one of your best employees called you and was super sick, you'd probably say "stay home then today, rest, and hopefully you'll feel better tommorow and can work" personally thats what i do with the good employees at Pick, i'd rather have them take a day off, recouperate, and hopefully get them back the next day full strength, then have them for 2 days dragging ass.

[turbogarrett]

Taking off when you are sick is fine, we simply cannot afford to pay for it.

Union electricians have a vacation fund which can be withdrawn up to 3x a year and equals around 3 weeks pay. If the sick pay could come from here, we would be okay.

Fwiw, a journeyman electrician costs us well over $50 an hour and that's before the trucks, building, non billable time, insurance, office workers and the rest of the overhead.

[theavenger333]

i would think it would be a very rule laden deal, like with unions and such, making stipulations and things like that. you're right, there probably would be or should be some sort of flat rate for it on something like a journeyman electrician like you say, unfortunatly i work and manage in a world where that kind of hourly pay is unheard of

[turbogarrett]

February 6th Judge Dimotto has the choice to adopt or honor mmac's lawsuit against it.

9 to 5 tried to pull this in ohio, but they had the sense to throw it out
before it even got to the ballot.

[Breecher_7]

Employers will find a way around it. I already know of one that eliminated all there paid holidays and are making people use there "sick days" or "paid time off" as its referred to if they want to get paid for them now. So basically it isnt costing the company shit if they dont have a problem screwing there employees.

[turbogarrett]

So you're saying not giving your employees 9 more paid (sick)vacation days is "screwing" them?

This will have a bad impact on milwaukee buisness. Some people will be laid off, some buisnesses will close and who would even consider opening/bringing a buisness here with rules like this in place?

Some companies can get away with rewording their pto policies, many can not the way it is written.

[DocDave]

I have heard rumblings at companies in Milwaukee that have already started to change there sick day policy in preparation for this. One company went as far as to take away the xmas eve and new years eve holidays to offset some of the extra paid days off.

[Voodoo Chick]

It's going to have a tremendously negative impact in the long run, I think, and right now companies are struggling bad enough as is.....this can only get worse.

[Breecher_7]

So you're saying not giving your employees 9 more paid (sick)vacation days is "screwing" them?

This will have a bad impact on milwaukee buisness. Some people will be laid off, some buisnesses will close and who would even consider opening/bringing a buisness here with rules like this in place?

Some companies can get away with rewording their pto policies, many can not the way it is written.

Yes I do believe that is "screwing" there employee's. For a company to take away bennifits that are already in place because of a law that is going into effect that was VOTED on is bullshit. Let me throw this way of thinking at ya. I didnt vote for obama, he got elected and I hate it. So I have two choices, deal with it, or move out of the country...

I see it the same for employers, there should have been some sort of regulation requiring employers to keep there previously stated policies so they couldnt screw there employees like that. The point of the sick days is exactly that, sick days. Not to make people use them for days that were normally always paid holidays. The businesses would have had a choice as well, deal with it, or move your company out of milwaukee.

If paying 9 sick days a year to each employee is really going to break your business, then your business isnt turning a very good profit or your overpaying your employees for what they do. I normally only do mabey 2 solid hours of work every day at my job, so how is paying for those sick days any different then me coming to work and doing nothing all day yet making it look like I did somthing? Its really not.

Like Obama, It was voted on, It passed, If you dont like it and cant deal with it. Move!