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10-26-2008, 06:05 PM
Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:16 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size






A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.


The lawsuit, filed by former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg — a self-avowed supporter of Hillary Clinton — alleges that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is thus “ineligible” to run for president of the United States. It demands that Obama’s lawyers produce a copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.


Berg's suit and allegations have set off a wave of Internet buzz and rumors, though Obama could easily have put the matter to rest by providing the federal court with the basic documentation proving he is eligible to take the oath of a president. But Obama has apparently decided to deny the court and the public that documentation.


The Constitution provides that any U.S. citizen is eligible to become president if the person is 35 years of age or older and is a natural-born citizen; that is, born in the territorial United States.


By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.


Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.


Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.


“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”


“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”


The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.

“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment.


“The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. [Obama] admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States.”


In a contentious case, lawyers on both sides will haggle over the production of documents, and will frequently go beyond the deadlines, several lawyers told Newsmax.


“The rules are more often complied with in the breech rather than the observance,” a senior trial attorney who has close ties to the Democrat Party, but is not involved in the current case, told Newsmax.


“Lawyers frequently do not return telephone calls or meet discovery deadlines because of sheer inadvertence. Therefore, we do not consider a failure to respond as a ‘violation,’” he said.


Allegations surrounding Obama’s place of birth have been swirling for months. Earlier this year, the Obama campaign sought to put down the rumors by making available a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, issued in 2007 by the State of Hawaii. [See the Certification of Live Birth — Click Here.]


Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”


However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.


In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama's father is described as “African,” a term used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his race as “Negro” or “Colored.”


The Web site snarkybytes.com has produced a vault copy of a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth from 1963, issued by the Hawaii Department of Health. [See the vault copy — Click Here.]


In addition to naming the hospital and more details about the baby, the 1963 vault copy also includes the “usual residence of the mother,” and the “usual occupation” of the father. None of this information appears on the 2007 Live Birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign.


Berg has been a perennial political candidate in Pennsylvania, having run in Democrat primaries for attorney general, lieutenant governor, governor, and other offices without success. He served as deputy attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania from 1972-1980.


His credibility was tarnished by work he did for the far-left “9/11 for the Truth” campaign, which alleged in a federal lawsuit that the collapse of the twin towers in New York was caused by “controlled demolition” ordered by the president of the United States.


Nevertheless, in recent weeks, lawsuits have been filed in seven additional states demanding that Barack Obama produce an original vault copy of his birth certificate, to dispel the rumors that he is not a natural-born United States citizen.


The latest suits have been filed in state and federal courts in Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia, New York, and Connecticut to compel Obama to release his birth records.


Lawsuits in Washington and Georgia are seeking state superior courts to force the states’ secretary of state, as the chief state elections officer, to require Obama to produce original birth records from Hawaii, or else decertify him as a candidate for the presidency.




Ironically, Obama mentions his birth certificate in passing on Page 26 of his 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father.” “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” he wrote.


Lawyers for Obama and the DNC did not return calls for comment on the current status of the case, or explain why the Obama campaign did not simply put to rest the whole controversy by releasing the birth certificate that Obama apparently cherished as a teenager.


In the past, questions about Sen. John McCain's legal status have arisen. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at a U.S. Army hospital. McCain had legal experts vet his constitutional qualifications, and he also disclosed a copy of his birth certificate.

HY35F2T
10-26-2008, 06:10 PM
so he can run for president with out proof he was born here but i need this i.d that social card blah to have warrant on my cv from checker.wtf.:flipoff2:

Holeshot
10-26-2008, 06:15 PM
If his mother or father we US citizens at the time of birth he is legal. Also if an illegal alien gives birth in the US the child is automatically a US Citizen. Screwy I tell ya. My wife was born in France and has duel citizenship. Her mother is an was a US citizen that gave birth over seas and it was not because of military.

michelle
10-26-2008, 06:18 PM
I can't wait until these political threads and the TV ads are over.

wikked
10-26-2008, 06:33 PM
I can't wait until these political threads and the TV ads are over.


x 1,000,000

don't care, not voting.

nismodave
10-26-2008, 06:51 PM
x 1,000,000

don't care, not voting.

Thats a shame.

Im surely a McCain supporter and glad Obama is not getting your vote. But NOT to vote is a slap in the face to all of the men and women who have fought/died for freedom in the last 200 plus years.

But you have that right NOT to.

Holeshot
10-26-2008, 06:57 PM
Agreed Dave. I and thousands before me and thousands after have defended this country for people to have the freedom of choice. Please vote.

shoooo32
10-26-2008, 07:02 PM
I can understand why young people do not feel compelled to vote. Taxes, health insurance and abortion rights don't seem that interesting to a late teen/early twenty something year old male.

Holeshot
10-26-2008, 07:04 PM
But it can and will affect them in the future and their children

Al
10-26-2008, 09:32 PM
Too little, too late. Sorry bud.

McCain wasn't born in the US either...right?

Reverend Cooper
10-26-2008, 09:33 PM
ahhh but wait he was in a us controlled territory and given birth to by military parents sent outta the states on orders,so yes he is a citizen

WickedSix
10-26-2008, 09:47 PM
Interesting article to say the least. As a side note I'm 27 and have voted in every election since I was 18. Complacency has no place if you want the government to work for you instead of just working you....

lordairgtar
10-26-2008, 11:05 PM
My wife was born in France and has duel citizenship. Her mother is an was a US citizen that gave birth over seas and it was not because of military.
Hmmmmm, an evening in Paris, strolling musicians playing, outdoor cafe, bottle of wine, hansom but poor artist from the left bank. aaaahhhh love was in the air.:D

udlose98
10-27-2008, 01:15 AM
I can't wait until these political threads and the TV ads are over.

yep.

Silver86
10-27-2008, 05:12 AM
i can't wait until these political threads and the tv ads are over.

thank you!!

Prince Valiant
10-27-2008, 08:01 AM
If you are born abroad, and your father is a US citizen and mother is not, then you are NOT a natural-born US citizen.

If your Dad is NOT a US citizen, but Mom is and your born abroad (as the suit alleges), then you ARE a US born citizen.

You are not a natural born citizen if born in a foreign country, but on a US base or Embassy and your Mom is not a citizen, then you are NOT a natural born citizen.

There is just no merit to the suit.

jbiscuit
10-27-2008, 08:45 AM
I too can't wait for the ads to be over....SURPLUS of ads this election, geez. I wish these yahoos could have spent their campaign money on things that actually matter. Give my community money, or use it to fix failing programs in Washington or something...the money they spend on advertising is insane.

I'm actually scared that Obama could make it into office and we will have to adapt to his socialist ways :(

-stew-
10-27-2008, 09:03 AM
Just gonna leave these here...

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Many years ago, a great baseball player named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits -- one hit away from the landmark total of 3,000.

Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly, but the official scorer called it a hit, making it Waner's 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top.

The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later, Paul Waner got a clean hit for number 3,000.

What reminded me of this is the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of the first black president of the United States.

No doubt, it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that landmark is reached.

There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous as Barack Obama should become president -- especially not at a time when the threat of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans.

The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about.

The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults.

Although Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything he says about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the 1960s, ghettoes across the country were ravaged by riots from which many have not fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting grievances and hamstringing the police.

Internationally, the approach that Obama proposes -- including the media magic of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, Stanford, Calif. He writes a column for Creators Syndicate.

wikked
10-27-2008, 12:08 PM
Thats a shame.

Im surely a McCain supporter and glad Obama is not getting your vote. But NOT to vote is a slap in the face to all of the men and women who have fought/died for freedom in the last 200 plus years.

But you have that right NOT to.

I'm not doing it to throw it in the face of the military people, it's just that nothing is going to change.
Maybe 50+ years ago when it actually meant something.

Everyone is a liar, with their own best interests in mind, saying anything just to get elected.
Do they really care? If they do, they sure as hell aren't very convincing.

The only candidates that seem legitimate, are the ones that don't have a chance in hell of winning, because god forbid someone actually shakes things up for once.

meh.

CobraSnake
10-27-2008, 12:14 PM
So is this true or is this another blown up story??

animal
10-27-2008, 01:22 PM
I'm not doing it to throw it in the face of the military people, it's just that nothing is going to change.
Maybe 50+ years ago when it actually meant something.

Everyone is a liar, with their own best interests in mind, saying anything just to get elected.
Do they really care? If they do, they sure as hell aren't very convincing.

The only candidates that seem legitimate, are the ones that don't have a chance in hell of winning, because god forbid someone actually shakes things up for once.

meh.

My thoughts exactly man.

73Dustr
10-27-2008, 05:01 PM
I'm not doing it to throw it in the face of the military people, it's just that nothing is going to change.
Maybe 50+ years ago when it actually meant something.

Everyone is a liar, with their own best interests in mind, saying anything just to get elected.
Do they really care? If they do, they sure as hell aren't very convincing.

The only candidates that seem legitimate, are the ones that don't have a chance in hell of winning, because god forbid someone actually shakes things up for once.

meh.

If Obama gets in, we'll definitely see change. Democrats will have complete control. Expect tax hikes, strict firearm legislation, among other socialist policies. This whole redistribution of wealth is a joke. It will affect all of us. Do you really think large companies that get slapped with tax increases will eat the cost? Nope, it's going to get passed down to us, the consumers. Mark my words, he'll take us from a recession into a depression.

michelle
10-27-2008, 05:15 PM
Nobody will ever be happy with whatever President we have. There's always something to complain about. You can't expect one person (yes I know the government is made up of more then one person) to make 303,824,640 people happy.

Goat Roper
10-27-2008, 06:01 PM
Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Answered :rolf
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD941NCJG0


PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."