My ambitious project tonight

[BAD LS1]

Finally got around to installing an LS6 cam in the Monte... Had to have my buddy Brad zip loose the crank pulley bolt for me today when it was in earlier for some warranty work:)

Basically this invloved lifting the body away from the K member a good 6 inches to get the cam out under the frame rail. The cam used in these LS4's is straight out of silverado pickups and was all low end and top end suffered. These motors are topped off with LS6 heads and 10.0CR so this LS6 cam with its jump in duration and lift, combined with my already exsisting HS 1.8 roller rockers and 918 springs outta make a nice SOTP difference.

The hardest part was getting the PS pump and water pump off the front of the motor by far.

But its 80% back together now. The cool part is this cam will still allow the DOD to function correctly too.

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[Z28Envy]

Awesome job Tom!! I want a ride!:thumbsup

[GRAMPS SS]

dammmm tom...nothing stock in your garage??????????...hope to see it run....

and clean that engine bay up....dammmm filth....

[That_Guy]

dam....

what are the gains from something like this?

[Silver86]

damn! that looks like a major PITA!

[Bobby "Big Daddy" Flay]

damn! that looks like a major PITA!

Just like a rotary:rolf


Nice work tom

[BAD LS1]

Its hard to see in the pic but the duration is noticeable larger on the LS6 cam when looking at how wide the arch of the lobe is compared to the stock one. People gain about 30whp on trucks doing this swap and they dont have the good heads or .5 more compression either, so after its all done it should be around 300-320 whp with just by installing another factory cam that wont sound any different.

Yeah the dirt... hahah this car doesnt get as much attn the camaro does, thats 35,800 miles worth of grime and 2 winters haha. i have to pressure wash the engine bay with how much power steering fluid and coolant pissed everywhere anyway.

[Silver86]

Just like a rotary:rolf


Nice work tom


please... the complete opposite...

[A B4C Z]

Sweet. Finally after 2 years of talking about it:thumbsup

[GTSLOW]

Awesome! :thumbsup

[Crawlin]

AWESOME JOB TOM!! I know the guys on ls1tech are awaiting the results for sure!

[Brian98GTP]

Now if only you had somebody competent enough to tune it......... hmmmmmm......

:goof

[BAD LS1]

Well it works! I think its gonna need some longer pushrods (ls6 cam has smaller base circles due to longer valve stems) but none the less you can really feel the difference all over the power band. It feels funny at WOT cuz the torque steer is now somewhat annoying and its a little soft on torque after the 1-2 @ 60 mph but comes right back with a quicker speedo sweep than before.

Once i get the vlave train quieted down ill get it to the track on slicks.

[Mr. Brett]

Glad to see you finally got this done. Now comes the real challenge - getting a 300+whp FWD car to hook up. :rolf

[BAD LS1]

Glad to see you finally got this done. Now comes the real challenge - getting a 300+whp FWD car to hook up. :rolf

Even with the sloppy valve train tanking some the of torque, it ignites the tires now pretty handily on a 1st gear down shift @ 40

[Poncho]

This one of my stock cams? or did you get a third?

[GRNDNL]

Did you put in back in the correct way or is it still in there all sideways......;)

Interesting swap, wonder how a "stock" cam would work in my 6.0 truck?.....

[BAD LS1]

Did you put in back in the correct way or is it still in there all sideways......;)

Interesting swap, wonder how a "stock" cam would work in my 6.0 truck?.....

Well according to a book i have, they gain like 52hp on a LQ9 6.0 at the motor.

On the ass-dyno it gained everywhere through out the power band.

[BAD LS1]

This one of my stock cams? or did you get a third?

No. Its an 01' LS6 cam, they are a fair amount hotter duration wise than an LS2 cam.

[Brian98GTP]

I have some hardened 7.400" pushrods I may be parting with.... I'll find out if I can reuse them on the new setup or not in about 3 weeks.
Would those work?

[Poncho]

No. Its an 01' LS6 cam, they are a fair amount hotter duration wise than an LS2 cam.

wasn't sure which Z06 cam you used, my spares, or a 01+ cam

[BAD LS1]

I have some hardened 7.400" pushrods I may be parting with.... I'll find out if I can reuse them on the new setup or not in about 3 weeks.
Would those work?

ive got 7.400's in it now. needs 7.425's

[Sprayaway Fox]

All I can say is.... WOW! :)

[88Nightmare]

hey tom, i wonder how one of those cams would do in my 5.3

[A B4C Z]

They are sposed to work very well. I went a litttle bigger in my truck. It moves on the go but needs a converter out of the whole its a dog.

[BAD LS1]

Well this cam seems to have reversed roles vs the stocker, low end is softer and high end charge is better. Im sure it would be pretty pultry in a truck down low.

Mike you need a 6.0L swap and decent cam and then it will rip pretty good.

[88Nightmare]

why not just go for the 8.1L :D

[forest]

hey tom, i wonder how one of those cams would do in my 5.3

[BAD LS1]

A converter that would actually make a difference is gonna hinder towing ability....

[Poncho]

Well this cam seems to have reversed roles vs the stocker, low end is softer and high end charge is better. Im sure it would be pretty pultry in a truck down low.

Mike you need a 6.0L swap and decent cam and then it will rip pretty good.

i can agree to that, my car is dying for gears with the cam I have now!

[BAD LS1]

Mike you strike me as the type of guy who likes low end muscle and want something quick stop ligh to stop light... That 5.3 will never give that w/o a maggie or the like. Its easier and cheaper to swap in a junkyard LQ9.

[88Nightmare]

will the lq9 still bolt up to my 4L60 or is that LQ9 gonna hurt my 4L60 and force me to step up to the 4L80?

[juicedimpss]

will the lq9 still bolt up to my 4L60 or is that LQ9 gonna hurt my 4L60 and force me to step up to the 4L80?

ss silverado is only a 4l60e..........FWIW

[88Nightmare]

I forgot all about that.



So a LQ9 with a cam should wake that truck up nicely.... Tax return time I may seriously consider this. I have no warranty anymore so I might as well. Save the 5.3 in the garage incase the 6.0 blows up. What is all involved with the swap? Engine, wiring harness, computer?

[Flicktitty]

where is the vid? i wanna hear it lol

[BAD LS1]

Still no push rods yet... ******* thunder racing....

Mike, all you need is a long block, all your 5.3 stuff swaps over, even the computer will work.

[88Nightmare]

if I can get one complete that would be cool, then I can save my 5.3 as complete as possible in case something were to happen. but again, Im guessing a 8.1L would be a waste?

[BAD LS1]

if I can get one complete that would be cool, then I can save my 5.3 as complete as possible in case something were to happen. but again, Im guessing a 8.1L would be a waste?

Waste of gas.... They make parts for them and can be fast, but big bucks.

Big deal if you need to swap over accesories or intakes...

[88Nightmare]

tom did you get my pm?

[Breecher_7]

The 4l60 will hold if its built right. Seth still has a 4l60 behind his engine and its making over 600rwhp. Granted its built, but its still a 4l60.

[88Nightmare]

my shit isnt built, its all OEM

[Breecher_7]

my shit isnt built, its all OEM

Say goodbye to it. I blew mine up twice with the stock 6.0 in my old Vortec Max truck in under 20K miles.

Stock there not worth a shit.

They dont like to be driven like a race car with 9K pounds behind them......

[88Nightmare]

but thats just it, a truck isnt MEANT to be driven like a race car with 9k pounds behind it, hence why it blew up :D

[SLOWC5]

Not to shit on your thread Tom. But my truck i beat the shit out of. I tow trailer with car on it quite often. I dont treat it nicely and it lasts. I dont understand how people blow transmissions up.

Kyle

[88Nightmare]

isnt your truck brand new?

[T-Bag]

Say goodbye to it. I blew mine up twice with the stock 6.0 in my old Vortec Max truck in under 20K miles.

Stock there not worth a shit.

They dont like to be driven like a race car with 9K pounds behind them......

So you beating the fuck out of your truck blowing your tranny = mike blowing up his? Seriously, it's a stock or near stock 5.3 (unless there are SECRETZ), there's no way he's going to blow that thing up. The 4l60e will be just fine even with a 6.0. Granted he's not doing neutral drops and the like all day long.

[88Nightmare]

no neutral drops. No brakestands. The only thing my 5.3 has is a straight pipe from the cat back, a drop in K&N and a tune done by tom. He did modify my transmission tables, as far as shift timing (quickness), line pressure, shift points....etc. It shifts quicker and firmer now, if anything, that would prolong its life, less slipping between gears

[Syclone0044]

The 4l60 will hold if its built right. Seth still has a 4l60 behind his engine and its making over 600rwhp. Granted its built, but its still a 4l60.
Tell us that in a year or two. What kind of timeslips is he running with that truck by the way? My stock 4L60 (700R4) lasted until 11.79 @ 114 MPH with a 3650 race weight.

[Breecher_7]

Tell us that in a year or two. What kind of timeslips is he running with that truck by the way? My stock 4L60 (700R4) lasted until 11.79 @ 114 MPH with a 3650 race weight.

Its not that fast... Ill tell ya that. The thing NEEDS a loose converter like nothing else! :rolf

[Breecher_7]

So you beating the fuck out of your truck blowing your tranny = mike blowing up his? Seriously, it's a stock or near stock 5.3 (unless there are SECRETZ), there's no way he's going to blow that thing up. The 4l60e will be just fine even with a 6.0. Granted he's not doing neutral drops and the like all day long.

Do you read all of the thread or just portions and throw your input in? He wants to put he stock tranny behind a 6.0 engine. Wich if he goes through that hassle will most likely NOT be stock. Probably heads and cam at the least would be my guess. With that, no, the tranny is NOT going to last. Ive had a 6.0 with that tranny, I watched it kill two transmissions. I know it will do it. This is the reason why I upgraded to a Diesel. Somthing that can actually take a beating all day long and it doesnt phase it. When you pull 9K pounds with a truck that is rated for 10K and drive it hard, it doesnt take long for things to give up.

[T-Bag]

Do you read all of the thread or just portions and throw your input in? He wants to put he stock tranny behind a 6.0 engine. Wich if he goes through that hassle will most likely NOT be stock. Probably heads and cam at the least would be my guess. With that, no, the tranny is NOT going to last. Ive had a 6.0 with that tranny, I watched it kill two transmissions. I know it will do it. This is the reason why I upgraded to a Diesel. Somthing that can actually take a beating all day long and it doesnt phase it. When you pull 9K pounds with a truck that is rated for 10K and drive it hard, it doesnt take long for things to give up.

Yes I read all of the thread, and I stand by the statement that the 4L60E will be just fine for him, just don't drive like a deusch with 9k behind it :loser

[Breecher_7]

Its Douche.... And if he does a H/C 6.0 I give the tranny a month at the most.

[Poncho]

4L65E's were OEM on the 6.0 GTO and Corvette, slightly beefed up from a '60, but only slightly.

[Breecher_7]

4L65E's were OEM on the 6.0 GTO and Corvette, slightly beefed up from a '60, but only slightly.

Thanks for reminding me. My 06 Vortec Max was a 4l65e. Thanks Dan. The only difference between the 60 and 65 is the planetary gearset to the best of my knowledge. Makes it a little stronger. Im just making the point that my 6.0 tore it up. Thats all. Take it for what it is or dont. Just trying to help.

[T-Bag]

Its too early to spell douche :P

In any case those ls4 cars rock, I want a gxp....nice job tom

[BAD LS1]

Anyway, back on topic.

No pushrods yet, they are on b/o till next week (******* odd ball size) aside from it sound like a small diesel under hood and leaving some nuts on the table it works ok. Ive been playing with the tune up and got it working really good actually. Been trying to perfect the TC to work as a launch assist and thats coming along nicely.

So far im happy with the change and hopefully should trap closer to that ilustrious 108 mph mark.

[2 bad z's]

Anyway, back on topic.

No pushrods yet, they are on b/o till next week (******* odd ball size) aside from it sound like a small diesel under hood and leaving some nuts on the table it works ok. Ive been playing with the tune up and got it working really good actually. Been trying to perfect the TC to work as a launch assist and thats coming along nicely.

So far im happy with the change and hopefully should trap closer to that ilustrious 108 mph mark.there was a set for sale on ls1 tech ,just what you are looking for

[BAD LS1]

there was a set for sale on ls1 tech ,just what you are looking for

7.425's? link??

[Prince Valiant]

Couldn't you just straight up order custom pushrods?

[BAD LS1]

Couldn't you just straight up order custom pushrods?

Well these pretty much are that, except Comp is rather slow on delivering them, mine will be factory drop shipped apparently.

[T-Bag]

Doesn't TC pull Timing? Or are you able to modify that with your tuning software? If so and you get it perfected, let me know :)

[BAD LS1]

Doesn't TC pull Timing? Or are you able to modify that with your tuning software? If so and you get it perfected, let me know :)

Well i let it pull some timing to keep the tires on it, but its mainly done through the electronic throttle.

[T-Bag]

I've always had better results without TC on, I easily trap 3-4 mph faster and can actually launch better without it on. 2k brake launch and the fucker hooks like a bitch with TC off...I'm going to have to try 2500 see if I can get any lower than a 1.95 60' in basically stock trim.

Obviously the LS4 is a bit more torquey just right out of the box so TC probably could help in your case if modified a bit.