McCain's Running mate IS....

[Prince Valiant]

Alaska Gov Sarah Palin (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080829/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_mccain_veepstakes)

http://brewcitymuscle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5540&stc=1&d=1220027325

IMO, this really was the BEST pick he could have made, and whom I was really rooting for. Romney is arguably the best politician, but sadly would have lost many of the christian conservatives (the whole "Mormon" thing), which displeases me.

Palin though, is every bit as articulate, EVERY bit as bright....she hunts and fish...and she's not too hard to look at too (former beauty queen)! Heck, even in pork-barrel spending alaska she's been effective at getting alaskan's to accept that their pork-barrel ways are wrong...and that was the holy grail of alaskan politics.

She'll be a VERY effective voice as far as energy/drilling is concerned too...having a far greater understanding of the issue than any on the democratic side of the aisle, since this again, is an alaskan political mainstay.

AND, I can't recall her ever wearing god-awful pantsuits :thumbsup



I was approached...but am not legally eligible due to age currently. :rolf

[Goat Roper]

Good move to try and pull in the women who can't let go of Clinton

[nismodave]

Smart Choice.

No way McCain gets any of the black vote, so hes going after Hillary voters now.

[Goat Roper]

Tickets are now similar; Young president/older vice-president to older president/young vice-president. While I like the choice it certainly is no help to McCain's argument over "experience"

[Prince Valiant]

Tickets are now similar; Young president/older vice-president to older president/young vice-president. While I like the choice it certainly is no help to McCain's argument over "experience"Ah, but whose at the head of the ticket? Experience. At least one doesn't have a novice as "the decider" (as bush would say). Don't forget, until Cheney came along, the VP role was essentially ceremonial---despite what algore might say.

And though Palin is younger than Obama, she does have SIGNIFICANT administrative experience, in both the governmental and private sector...what does Obama have? Community organizer (which is what?)? Lecturer? Part-time state senator and less than 4 years in the US senate? Literally, that's it.

Even more endearing is her willingness to buck her fellow republicans when she sees unethical behavior...hence her resignation from an energy council due to republican corruption...

[Goat Roper]

Agreed Valiant, I was referring to the ticket as a whole and not the individual players. Should be an interesting couple of months to say the least.

[nismodave]

If McCain picked ANY white male, Obama supporters would use that against him.

Next week I start volunteering for the Republican Party here in Washington county. :usa

[Mr. Brett]

Fantastic pick. Too bad McCain sucks. Though I'll feel a lot better voting for him with her on the ticket.

[Irish]

McCain is not going to win even if I wanted him to. People as a whole, are tired of Bush. The only time I can remember when the republican's won the office for a third term was when Bush senior won.

Let the flamming begin,

[nismodave]

McCain is not going to win even if I wanted him to. People as a whole, are tired of Bush. The only time I can remember when the republican's won the office for a third term was when Bush senior won.

Let the flamming begin,

Thats the great thing. Obama is running on the platform of "IM NOT BUSH".

Its going to bite him in the ass. He has no solid platform other than talking about change.

McCain is going to eat him alive in Commercials and Debates.:rolf


I also want to know, why is Obama considered a "Black" man when he is half white? Pigment? You never hear about that.

I dont give a flying fvck what race/color anyone is. THE CONTENT OF THIER CHARACTER!!! Hmmmm who said that???

[Prince Valiant]

That's right Dave...Obama can't even say that he's had the authentic "Black" experience growing up. Not only did he spend much of his life outside the US, but in Hawaii...going to an exclusive prep-school. It wasn't until college that he realized that his was a different experience than most blacks, thus his latching on to the radical preacher, Jerimiah Wright and other radical causes.

Irish...you might be right, ultimately...but before last nights speech, Obama actually went from a 15 pt lead on the polls to down 2-4 pts...a HUGE difference. People ARE starting to suffer Obamafatigue, AND are a little leery of his response to the georgian invasion crisis.

[Irish]

That's right Dave...Obama can't even say that he's had the authentic "Black" experience growing up. Not only did he spend much of his life outside the US, but in Hawaii...going to an exclusive prep-school. It wasn't until college that he realized that his was a different experience than most blacks, thus his latching on to the radical preacher, Jerimiah Wright and other radical causes.

Irish...you might be right, ultimately...but before last nights speech, Obama actually went from a 15 pt lead on the polls to down 2-4 pts...a HUGE difference. People ARE starting to suffer Obamafatigue, AND are a little leery of his response to the georgian invasion crisis.

I was amazed that they were able to fill the stadium... I wonder how many people that were there are supporters and I wonder how many people were just payed fill-ins.

[Goat Roper]

That's right Dave...Obama can't even say that he's had the authentic "Black" experience growing up. Not only did he spend much of his life outside the US, but in Hawaii...going to an exclusive prep-school. It wasn't until college that he realized that his was a different experience than most blacks, thus his latching on to the radical preacher, Jerimiah Wright and other radical causes.

Irish...you might be right, ultimately...but before last nights speech, Obama actually went from a 15 pt lead on the polls to down 2-4 pts...a HUGE difference. People ARE starting to suffer Obamafatigue, AND are a little leery of his response to the georgian invasion crisis.

He spent a fair amount of time in Malaysia as well. What else is a presidential candidate supposed to say about about that conflict, there really wasn't a damn thing they could have said or done that would have made any difference. the issue is that McCain is trying to hard to overcome Obama's charisma and blowing his load on negative ads not months ahead of the election. People's attention spans are very short and wasting money on ads now is a waste.

[Prince Valiant]

Now he's (Obama) has got a convention bump...but that only puts him up 6 at this point...which might evaporate when the they poll after the Palin roll-out occurs. Many had expected a 10-15 pt lead, so 6 is very disheartening for their campaign.

As to the fill-in, I'm sure none were...what Obama is good at is mobilizing the faithful. Much like Billy Graham does, people WANT to hear him because of his oratory skills and lofty rhetoric, so they come out to see and hear...

not so much with McCain (who wants to be bored for a half-hour or more?)....but that doesn't mean McCain's supporters are less likely to get out and vote.

But as with all of his speeches, even among his supporters (*except for oprah), the effect wanes in a couple days. It's like a drug...it feels great while you're there and for a while after; but then leaves you feeling empty afterward, not quite remembering what happened.

Ever notice that the only thing people can recall from his speech in Berlin were the mass of people there? Did he utter a memorable line that sticks out for anything? Nope...heck, most there were there for a free concert/food/drinks at a stage just off to the side.

[Goat Roper]

Now he's (Obama) has got a convention bump...but that only puts him up 6 at this point...which might evaporate when the they poll after the Palin roll-out occurs. Many had expected a 10-15 pt lead, so 6 is very disheartening for their campaign.



That 6% was taken from a poll on Monday and announced yesterday. The post convention data still needs to be compiled. As far as disheartening I don't see it. Any lead now is like having a lead in the first inning of a baseball game, it really doesn't matter.

[nismodave]

"Mr Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!!!"

[Prince Valiant]

Not quite...we're both wrong. It's a poll from the 25-27th, so just up until the day of his speech. His official "bounce" won't occur until the gallup poll that comes out Sunday

(it's a three-day compilation for the gallup guys).

We'll see...since the bounce reading will also occur with the VP announcement for McCain as well.

You're somewhat right about poll results now...however, where I disagree is in THIS case, Obama SHOULD be far ahead. In generic polls, Dems have HUGE leads over republicans...so it should stand to reason that a bright, charismatic, telegenic individual such as Obama SHOULD also enjoy similar, if not LARGER leads...but he doesn't. There really is NO reason for a republican to be in the race at this point.

Historically, at this point there ARE wide divides at this point that usually narrow. This is a different election for myriad of reasons, which will (as you allude to) make this a difficult race to call.

[Sprayaway Fox]

You guys explain this better than any newspaper I have read.:)

[Irish]

Palin is not bad looking for a Cougar!

[DurtyKurty]

Palin is not bad looking for a Cougar!

Ha! That's what I was thinking!

[Nix]

Palin is not bad looking for a Cougar!

I'd for sure hit it. :headbang

[4eyedstang]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x201/nettletond/whocares08wt4.png

[wikked]

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2006/12/Miss%20Wasilla%201984.jpg

[ND4SPD]

^Wow... kinda looks like my wife. Yeah, even at 44 she's not bad. I kinda think it's funny that the GOP is making a mockery of the whole "Change" message the Dems are screaming about. Now, if the GOP has any sense, they will make the convention more about some of the younger up and coming talent in the Republican party and not turn it into a week of paying homage to old past politicians (like the Dem's convention has been). That would really make the Democrats look like a bunch of asses and hippocrites.

[boostaddict14]

Our votes don't matter anyways..
Presidents are decided before the vote even takes place. With the electoral college and
central banks lobbying politicians into office; in our current state of capitalism we have no say in the big scheme of things.

[ND4SPD]

You talk about the electoral college as if it's some sort of mythical entity. Didn't you ever take Civics class in junior high? When was the last time an electoral college delegate went against the popular vote in their district? Yes, the EC is under the thumb of the Illuminati!:rolleyes:

The electoral college delegates vote according to the desires of their respective districts. The reason we have the EC in the first place is so that the big cities (which are almost all huge bastions of liberalism) and the coasts don't completely trump the desires of the other areas of the countries. If you went by popular vote, elections would always be decided by New York and California. You'd NEVER see a candidate bothering to visit lesser populated areas because they wouldn't matter. Is that what you want?

[Sprayaway Fox]

I always thought you picked a person because of their views not "strategy" If someone had a running chainsaw stuck in her head and had the views I like then I would vote. How can future prez's take a person of the electoral college out to eat before the "big day"? Then I should be able to take the jury members to KFC before I go to court for a Wreckless driving ticket. :rolf:thumbsup

[boostaddict14]

You talk about the electoral college as if it's some sort of mythical entity. Didn't you ever take Civics class in junior high? When was the last time an electoral college delegate went against the popular vote in their district? Yes, the EC is under the thumb of the Illuminati!:rolleyes:



You really think there is a clean form of politics left in the United States? LOL at the mythical entity. In the end we don't have a say and I think anyone will agree with that. I'm not going into conspiracy theories, and the 13 bloodlines you speak of. I'm comfortable with saying that nothing in America happens by accident.

[Karps TA]

You Republican's are crazy. lol

McCain just threw away his biggest weapon against Obama. Experience. It's the only thing he really had, and he just threw the arguement away. It's one thing for Obama to go and get a guy like Biden to add experience to his ticket, but you can't counter that by taking it away. lol

Seriously McCain thinks it's a good idea to have a woman who'se barely been in politics, has zero foreign policy experience, and comes from a state that 50% of the public would probably forget at being part of the US to be one heartbeat away from running this county. I think Lieberman would have been a better choice.

So the lady likes to hunt and fish, I didn't know that was a qualifying skill set. Yeah she's easy on the eyes, so that takes care of the oft sought after drunken frat boy porn surfer voter group.

This has me completely convinced that the Republican party is just going to let this election go and try again in 4 years. Cause they have to be able to offer the American public a better ticket then this. This can't be the best they have. I was a Repbulican way too long to believe that.

And as for it bringing in Hillary voters, it's not even close to being the same. Most of those Hillary voters either loved her for being Mrs. Clinton, or felt sorry for her for being Mrs. Clinton. They were the cheated on by their husband and now hate men voters. Those women aren't going to vote for some hot chic who their husbands would probably bang over them any night of the week. The first time that women shows up dressed up all hot and these women see their men glaring at her on the tv they will HATE her.

[Irish]

Those women aren't going to vote for some hot chic who their husbands would probably bang over them any night of the week. The first time that women shows up dressed up all hot and these women see their men glaring at her on the tv they will HATE her.

That is funny as hell! I damn near had DR. Pepper shoot out of my nose!

[ND4SPD]

You Republican's are crazy. lol

McCain just threw away his biggest weapon against Obama. Experience. It's the only thing he really had, and he just threw the arguement away. It's one thing for Obama to go and get a guy like Biden to add experience to his ticket, but you can't counter that by taking it away. lol



How exactly is it that Palin and Obama need to be matched up? Palin isn't running for president... Obama is.




Seriously McCain thinks it's a good idea to have a woman who'se barely been in politics, has zero foreign policy experience, and comes from a state that 50% of the public would probably forget at being part of the US to be one heartbeat away from running this county. I think Lieberman would have been a better choice.


So all of this is okay for Obama (who's running for the #1 slot)... but for a 2nd stringer like Palin... this is all of the sudden a problem?

[Fast SVT]

Two issues pop up immediately for McCain.

1) He has no leg to stand on by claiming Obama lacks experience like he used to say.
2) This can be seen as desperation.

Only imaginable reason for McCain to do this is to get Clinton's voters, which I don't think are as numerous as the media makes it out to be.

[77thor]

... Too bad McCain sucks. Though I'll feel a lot better voting for him with her on the ticket....

Wait a minute... you're gonna vote for someone that you think sucks???
Why? why? why?
You should be voting FOR someone and not AGAINST someone.

[Karps TA]

How exactly is it that Palin and Obama need to be matched up? Palin isn't running for president... Obama is.



So all of this is okay for Obama (who's running for the #1 slot)... but for a 2nd stringer like Palin... this is all of the sudden a problem?

You're not getting what I am saying. McCain has been using it as part of his campaign on why you shouldn't vote for Obama. Now he can't. I'm not saying experience on it is right or wrong, what I'm saying is now McCain can not even mention experience as a deciding factor.

And McCain is old, and has had health problems. So yes she could easily be our next president. As much so as some dipshit taking out Obama and putting Biden into the spot. You have to vote for both of them, especially in this election more so then any in recent memory.

[boostaddict14]

This election just goes to show how our countries foundations are turning to rubble and sooner than later we will fall on our faces.

[ND4SPD]

You're not getting what I am saying. McCain has been using it as part of his campaign on why you shouldn't vote for Obama. Now he can't. I'm not saying experience on it is right or wrong, what I'm saying is now McCain can not even mention experience as a deciding factor.

And McCain is old, and has had health problems. So yes she could easily be our next president. As much so as some dipshit taking out Obama and putting Biden into the spot. You have to vote for both of them, especially in this election more so then any in recent memory.

I'd take her 2 years of executive experience over Obama's few years of committee experience any day.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by wikipedia
Palin's husband, Todd, is a Yup'ik Alaskan native. Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP energy corporation at an oil field on Alaska's North Slope and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times. The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated from college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street. The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.

On September 11, 2007, the Palins' eighteen-year-old son Track, eldest of five, joined the Army. He now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September 2008. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17; Willow, 13; and Piper, 7.

On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

I like the choice and the ticket is probably as good as it is gonna get, its pretty good.
Not Romney good but the holy rollers ruined that option.
Carly Fiorina would have been a good choice as well, That RINO Pawlenty would not have been.

[Nick]

Mitt Romney is a ******* psychopath.

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

Mitt Romney is a ******* psychopath.

Ok ? Did he attack you personally ?

[Nick]

What does he being a psychopath... I mean Mormon have to do with attacking me?

[ND4SPD]

Originally Posted by wikipedia
Palin's husband, Todd, is a Yup'ik Alaskan native. Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP energy corporation at an oil field on Alaska's North Slope

Get ready for the "big oil" accusations.

[boostaddict14]

Get ready for the "big oil" accusations.

bwhahahah so so true. More fuel for McCain's party being in the pocket of oil companies.

[Cryptic]

http://www.wwtdd.com/ul/11501-sp.jpg

[Irish]

^^ who is that?

[Karps TA]

That's who Bill Clinton wishes was his VP. He could have gotten so much more done in the Oral office.

Can anyone seriously see her going to Iran and telling that Ahmadinejad that he's been a bad bad dictator. And maybe he should be spanked.

[nismodave]

^^ who is that?

Sara Palin, Josh.

The next VP of the United States of America!!!:headbang

[Prince Valiant]

Why is it that people (and I'm not at all surprised the uselessly cynical Karp is one of them) think Palin has no experience? One thing she's got is administrative experience...something Obama can't claim. Her time in both the governorship of AL, as well as two-term mayorship of an admittedly small town (~8500)...and prior to that serving on it's city council. She also served on a council directly related to energy procurement giving her untold amounts more insight and experience into drilling/oil concerns than Barrack could dream to muster.

She's sounding like she's had MUCH more relevant experience than the top of the Dem ticket has ever had.

Furthermore, here's you're "every-person". You know, the regular gal that just happened into politics? I mean, her husband was but a supervisor...not some billionaire oil exec. VERY solidly middle class folks here. They don't come from political blue blood like Bush, marry wealthy like McCain...much less attended an ivy league school, or in the case of Todd (her husband) even attended college.

Plus, I find it touching her family story...not many women find the courage to have a child with down syndrome...MANY are aborted once the news is given. Not only did she have the child, but didn't let it hamper her aspirations one bit...she has him out as often as she can, rather than hide him away as many would do.

[Karps TA]

For the love of god I'm not saying I give a rats ass about her lack of experience or Obama's for that matter. What I'm saying - as well as a whole ton of political experts - is that it's an odd choice to make when you've been running a big part of your campaign on the fact that Obama does not have alot of experience. There's not a damn thing cynical about the comment. It's a friggen observation. I don't give a crap who he would have picked. Although for some reason I think he could have picked an empty cardboard box and die hard Republican's would talk about what a great decision it was. Which is no different the what diehard Democrats would say about their pick, so it's not an attack on either side.

I'm not voting for either side. The last 3-4 years have been a disaster IM and I don't want a continuation of that, and Obama is way to much of a socialist for my liking.

[BOSS LX]

Sara Palin, Josh.

The next VP of the United States of America!!!:headbang

:headbang

[ND4SPD]

I'm not voting for either side. The last 3-4 years have been a disaster IM and I don't want a continuation of that, and Obama is way to much of a socialist for my liking.

I think that statement needs a healthy dose of "let's put this in perspective". Would someone kindly explain to me how the last 3-4 years have been a disaster? Has everyone forgotten a little thing called "the Great Depression?" Todays generation has become a bunch of mamby pamby whiners. There's a small dip in the housing market and everyone cries armageddon! People are better off right now than they have EVER been at any time in history. Even the "poor" are doing pretty goddamned well. Because of my job I end up being in a lot of people's homes... especially the homes of the underpriviledged. Every time I go into one, I think, damn... the're better off than I was right after I graduated from college. XBOX360s, PS3s, Plasma TVs... and all of this shit is in the apartments of people who live in some of the worst, most run down, wretched, poor neighborhoods in Madison. Kindly explain to me, how the past 3 to 4 years have been a disaster when the bottom rungs of society are able to afford luxuries like that? There's a survey out there that reports that 90%+ of the so-called poor have television... at least 50% of which have cable TV (and we all know how expensive that is today). This country doesn't know what it means to be poor anymore. I have to admit, I didn't either until I travelled to the Dominican Republic and saw the boxes those people called "home".

[Karps TA]

Well put in "perspective" my folks are trying hard to retire but likely won't be able to for a couple years because the housing market dumped, and the stock market has too which has taken almost a third out of my mom's 401K. She works in the auto industry where sales have been terrible and since she see's part of her pay based on sales she's watched her salary go down the last 3 years. And not alot of companies hiring people near 60 so switching jobs isn't exactly an easy thing. That's just an example, but I hear the same things from lots of people. I work with a bunch of people who had every expectation of retiring the last couple years but now can't. To say it's all because of Bush would be irresponsible and wrong. But just like football the QB gets the glory and the blame.

No of course life isn't as bad around here as it is in some other shithole countries. But being the greatest country on this planet it shouldn't be. We have a different standard of living and expecting that standard shouldn't be wrong. And don't forget we have something called credit here in this country, something those in the Domincan Republic and 3rd world nations don't have the luxury of having. Just cause people have things, doesn't mean the should or they can actually afford them.

[nismodave]

Man, shes hot!!!!!

[HITMAN]

McCain's Running mate IS....

an absolutley brilliant choice.:thumbsup

Bravo, Senator McCain, bravo!

[ND4SPD]

Well put in "perspective" my folks are trying hard to retire but likely won't be able to for a couple years because the housing market dumped, and the stock market has too which has taken almost a third out of my mom's 401K.

Karp... you're killing me here. Won't be able to retire for a couple of years? Wow, that's rough... at least they'll be able to retire. I was really expecting a better rebuttal than that. I'm not saying the economy is infallable, and wanting your standard of living to improve is all fine and well. My point is simply that I'm tired of the tired old whining that we're continually worse off and it's all the government's fault. You know who has the most control over your standard of living? YOU. There is nothing in the constitution that says that every American is guaranteed a great job, great pay, a cushy life, etc... At some point in the past 20 or 30 years somehow people have come to expect the government should provide that for them. They've forgotten that maybe instead of sitting around on your duff in a dead-end (but well paying) factory job... that maybe you should try to broaden your skill set... in case... oh I dunno... there is an economic downturn and maybe your factory gets closed?

The other thing I can't get over is how the Dems still think they're running against Bush.

[Karps TA]

Whoa there buddy, my parents worked their asses off and are not expecting any handouts or even much from social security. They've done everything they were suppossed to so they could live a decent life after work, however things got crappy and it's costing them money and more importantly time. They aren't crying about it. But I'd like to see them enjoying their later years not still working when they shouldn't have to anymore. They don't have "dead end" factory jobs. So don't make assumptions that they are just some lazy non-skilled workers waiting to suck off the government until they die. Nowhere in my statement did I say that.

[u_say_go]

blah blah blah, you guys can act like political pundants, but bottom line....that chick is a total milf! McCain gets my vote just cuz I want to see more of this chick!

[Irish]

Karp... you're killing me here. Won't be able to retire for a couple of years? Wow, that's rough... at least they'll be able to retire. I was really expecting a better rebuttal than that. I'm not saying the economy is infallable, and wanting your standard of living to improve is all fine and well. My point is simply that I'm tired of the tired old whining that we're continually worse off and it's all the government's fault. You know who has the most control over your standard of living? YOU. There is nothing in the constitution that says that every American is guaranteed a great job, great pay, a cushy life, etc... At some point in the past 20 or 30 years somehow people have come to expect the government should provide that for them. They've forgotten that maybe instead of sitting around on your duff in a dead-end (but well paying) factory job... that maybe you should try to broaden your skill set... in case... oh I dunno... there is an economic downturn and maybe your factory gets closed?

The other thing I can't get over is how the Dems still think they're running against Bush.

What people expect is a return on investment... Social Security is a joke! I have to invest the money I make because if I don't I won't be able to retire. I will never see the money (SS) that I have given the government when it's my turn to retire... I hope I am dead wrong however, I don't think I will be.

FYI, just a reminder that this country was built from the sweat of the blue collar worker, remember it's called the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, not some politician sitting in his office on his leather covered chair.

I have all the respect for factory workers... even though I am not one.

[Cryptic]

factory workers get all the credit... what about those of us trapped in cubical hell :D

[07ROUSHSTG3]

McCain's Running mate IS....

an absolutley brilliant choice.:thumbsup

Bravo, Senator McCain, bravo!

i would have rather seen romney :mad: even though she is pro life, pro 2nd amendment, and an avid sportsman, i will still have a hard time checking the mccain box?!?!? even if he would have chosen the total reincarnation of raegan, i still think he is too middle of the road for me and most conservatives.

[Irish]

factory workers get all the credit... what about those of us trapped in cubical hell :D

In 50-75 years our great-grandchildren will be saying that the Cubical Workers kept the country going after skynet attempted a hostile take over while Obama was in office!

[07ROUSHSTG3]

In 50-75 years our great-grandchildren will be saying that the Cubical Workers kept the country going after skynet attempted a hostile take over while Obama was in office!

blasted "skynet" :rolf

[u_say_go]

factory workers get all the credit... what about those of us trapped in cubical hell :D

you're the dudes we call when we muck up our computers

[OxmanWI]

Good choice, very smart!

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Good choice, very smart!

smart choice to capture voters.....yes.

best choice out there to capture the true "base" and run on true american conservative values......no. don't forget that conservativism doesn;t end at abortion and gun rights. i just think that there were better choices out there.

not to mention, they are going to attack her experience, and while better than obama's, it isn;t that great.

[Holeshot]

I think its a ploy so it will be easier to drill in the protected area. She is super conservative. As for the experience Two years as Governor and a Mayor of a town of 65000. The whole issue with drilling which I thin is a good Idea but lets get the refineries built first to handle the increase. The U.S. hasn't built a refinery in 30 years . The last refinery built in the US was in Garyville, Louisiana, and it started up in 1976.

[ND4SPD]

Social Security was never meant to be a retirement plan. It was meant to be a supplimental income... not your only income during retirement. If you're planning on retiring on only your social security income... you're either very dumb or very naeve. I have always planned for retirement in such a manner where I didn't even factor in my SS income. Being a firefighter... now, I don't even get Social Security when I retire (or I will get a massively reduced amount).

By the way what cryptic said is probably truer than people know. The cube cities are the sweatshops of the 21st century. There are an awful lot of UAW workers that have pay and benefits that make a cube worker envious. I've had this discussion before with people and my point is that if you want job security, you need to differentiate yourself from the pack. If your only aspiration is to put a nut on an assembly for the next 20 to 45 years... and get paid $20 to $30 an hour to do it, then I don't want to hear any bitching if you get laid off. You're just one robot away from being replaced... remember that. Gas prices have been going up for the past several years and the UAW workers that are going to lose their jobs in Janesville are acting like this is some bolt out of the blue announcement. It's been widely known and reported that $4 or $5/gal would likely be the benchmark that would cause some serious ripples throughout our economy. Now, if someone were smart, they might have say... enrolled in night classes or something to maybe have a backup plan if things continued to get worse. You have to put in extra effort to get ahead people... no one said it would be easy.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Social Security was never meant to be a retirement plan. It was meant to be a supplimental income... not your only income during retirement. If you're planning on retiring on only your social security income... you're either very dumb or very naeve. I have always planned for retirement in such a manner where I didn't even factor in my SS income. Being a firefighter... now, I don't even get Social Security when I retire (or I will get a massively reduced amount).

By the way what cryptic said is probably truer than people know. The cube cities are the sweatshops of the 21st century. There are an awful lot of UAW workers that have pay and benefits that make a cube worker envious. I've had this discussion before with people and my point is that if you want job security, you need to differentiate yourself from the pack. If your only aspiration is to put a nut on an assembly for the next 20 to 45 years... and get paid $20 to $30 an hour to do it, then I don't want to hear any bitching if you get laid off. You're just one robot away from being replaced... remember that. Gas prices have been going up for the past several years and the UAW workers that are going to lose their jobs in Janesville are acting like this is some bolt out of the blue announcement. It's been widely known and reported that $4 or $5/gal would likely be the benchmark that would cause some serious ripples throughout our economy. Now, if someone were smart, they might have say... enrolled in night classes or something to maybe have a backup plan if things continued to get worse. You have to put in extra effort to get ahead people... no one said it would be easy.


good post.

people have forgotten that working hard and determination are some of the ingredients to success. you cannot really blame them, all day long all they hear from people like obama, the clintons, and other liberal junkies, is that they don;t have to work hard to get things, they were born in the usa, or jumped the border to get here.....that is enough to deserve what used to be worked for.

[fivonut]

good post.

people have forgotten that working hard and determination are some of the ingredients to success. you cannot really blame them, all day long all they hear from people like obama, the clintons, and other liberal junkies, is that they don;t have to work hard to get things, they were born in the usa, or jumped the border to get here.....that is enough to deserve what used to be worked for.

Everybody deserves handouts....


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

[07ROUSHSTG3]

Everybody deserves handouts....


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

LOL. yup, that pretty much says exactly what the left wants, and what they have somehow convinced half the nation to agree with, but with the lack of conservative leadership and presence, it cannot come as a surprise to anyone. sad, really ******* sad.

[Z28Roxy]

The American public (in general) does not care about experience or issues really.

Right now they care about gas prices, Iraq, and the housing and job markets. The dem base is also more energized than the rep base. We all know that polls basically amount to who the swing voters will vote for...... then throw in which base is more likely to vote in large numbers (rather than stay home).

Barring a big turn around in certain aspects of the economy or something very scandalous, McCain is going to get slaughtered. Politics aside, it's the truth.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

The American public (in general) does not care about experience or issues really.

Right now they care about gas prices, Iraq, and the housing and job markets. The dem base is also more energized than the rep base. We all know that polls basically amount to who the swing voters will vote for...... then throw in which base is more likely to vote in large numbers (rather than stay home).

Barring a big turn around in certain aspects of the economy or something very scandalous, McCain is going to get slaughtered. Politics aside, it's the truth.

have you seen any of the most recent polls :rolleyes: mccain and obama are pretty much tied. obama didn;t get nearly the "bump" that most see after their convention and the left is making all kinds of excuses why. it is going to be kerry vs bush all over again. you dems were saying the same things back then too, LOL. kerry lost because swing voters were worried about his experience and how he would handle pressure, there is one person that has less experience than kerry.....obama, LOL!

[ND4SPD]

McCain is not going to get slaughtered... if that were the case Obama would have been leading by double digits long ago.

[07ROUSHSTG3]

McCain is not going to get slaughtered... if that were the case Obama would have been leading by double digits long ago.

exactly. history shows that more often than not, the closer the election gets, the stronger the current adminstrating party's support grows. it also shows that the older more experienced candidate tends to pick up the cherished swing votors.


obama has a lot of energy right now, but it will die down and the issues will become important. lets not forget that a lot of people in this country will not vote for a black guy, and that statistics show that blacks don't show up in great numbers to the polling place. i really feel that this is mccains election to lose, might sound a little ass backwards after hearing nothing but "barack hussein obama is the second coming of christ" for the last 8 months, but i don;t see him gaining anymore ground than he has now.

[Z28Roxy]

have you seen any of the most recent polls :rolleyes: mccain and obama are pretty much tied. obama didn;t get nearly the "bump" that most see after their convention and the left is making all kinds of excuses why. it is going to be kerry vs bush all over again. you dems were saying the same things back then too, LOL. kerry lost because swing voters were worried about his experience and how he would handle pressure, there is one person that has less experience than kerry.....obama, LOL!

Funny how I said politics aside and still get "you dems".

Kerry lost because of the Iraq war at the time was still something that many voters supported and didn't want to change captains mid-voyage.

Many typical swing states have solid Obama leads and some states that are assured red are now swing states. The reverse can't really be said for any blue or swing states.

[Sprayaway Fox]

Once you put on a suit and tie on stuff gets phony. Who would you trust? a guy with a mechanics jumper on or a guy in a polo to work on your car? When a prez takes a pick with a KID ROCK shirt and a Coors I will vote for him.:alcoholic:alcoholic:banana:thumbsup

[Syclone0044]

Once you put on a suit and tie on stuff gets phony. Who would you trust? Phony is the perfect word to describe all of these puppets. I love how Clinton is pimping Obama now even though 5 months ago she was ready to cut his throat. Same for Romney & McCain. They'll say whatever it takes to get the most votes. Talk is cheap. What's next, "No New Taxes"? :rolleyes: Why do people believe this stuff? Their credibility is totally blown to pieces.

[HITMAN]

Everybody deserves handouts....


"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Thank you, Karl Marx. :sniper

[HITMAN]

Phony is the perfect word to describe all of these puppets. I love how Clinton is pimping Obama now even though 5 months ago she was ready to cut his throat. Same for Romney & McCain. They'll say whatever it takes to get the most votes. Talk is cheap. What's next, "No New Taxes"? :rolleyes: Why do people believe this stuff? Their credibility is totally blown to pieces.

How would you run a campaign? A round of Kumbaya followed by a big pants down group hug? Or maybe pistols at dawn from forty paces. Hmm, now there's a thought...

Speaking of pants down hugs, I think I'd like to share one with Sarah Palin... :thumbsup

[ND4SPD]

Yeah, I think I had a dream about her last night... you guys have to stop posting all the sexy pics of her.:rolf:goof