Dyno challenge and car show at nagel auto body

[70challenger]

Dyno challenge and car show at nagel auto body

we have scheduled our 2008 dyno challenge for the weekend of September 12-14, 2008. our sponsors include Nagel auto body, Kilpatrick engine & transmission, and motorsport machine services.

the dyno hours will be as follows:

Friday, September 12, 10:00 a.m.-8:00 p.m.
Saturday, September 13, 9:00 a.m.-8:00 p.m.
sunday, September 14, 10:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.

The rates will be: $80.00 for cars (3 pulls), $20.00 additional for diesel, and $20.00 additional for air/fuel ratio.

There will also be food and drinks for purchase.

We had a great turnout of cars and people last year, including a lot of BCM members. hopefully this year will be even better.

If you have any questions, please feel free to call Duffy Nagel at (2620 521-3090 or feel free to pm me also.

[Yooformula]

keep this thread clean. you have questions, PM the man please.

[jbiscuit]

Bump for this coming up!

[BAD LS1]

turbo turd is almost ready! Will the blown challenger be competeting now?

[70challenger]

turbo turd is almost ready! Will the blown challenger be competeting now?

no that got taken apartdue to my genius brother putting 87 octane in it after running it out of gas. lets just say 10:1 pistons dont like 14 psi of boost with only 87.

i will have something else for ya with just a small shot on it:shades

[70challenger]

i also heard we might be getting a dj for friday night!

there will also be food and drinks there for purchase just like last year.

[70 cutlass 442]

alright, time to see some 300 HP cars put down 400 at the wheels!!!

[Breecher_7]

alright, time to see some 300 HP cars put down 400 at the wheels!!!

:rolf

[2000navyz]

alright, time to see some 300 HP cars put down 400 at the wheels!!!

what, like your car?

ahh..wait it probably wouldnt make that much

[Screamin281]

alright, time to see some 300 HP cars put down 400 at the wheels!!!

Like Mine?

[BAD LS1]

no that got taken apartdue to my genius brother putting 87 octane in it after running it out of gas. lets just say 10:1 pistons dont like 14 psi of boost with only 87.

i will have something else for ya with just a small shot on it:shades

Yeah i remember you telling me about the motor... i could have swore i saw the car around since then is why i ask.

I havent decided how much pork im gonna pour to mine yet.

[2000navyz]

^20lbs sounds like a good number to me:durr

[BAD LS1]

^20lbs sounds like a good number to me:durr

It feels like its not even gonna need that much to hit some decent #s

[SmokinRAM114]

my buddy and I are bringing his truck, it might, well it should send a couple fellas gathering!!

[70 cutlass 442]

what, like your car?

ahh..wait it probably wouldnt make that much



haha im spraying almost that much :durr

[70challenger]

haha im spraying almost that much :durr

double your horsepower in spray?:rolf

[70 cutlass 442]

double your horsepower in spray?:rolf

I think now im spraying more then that motor makes....

[MurphysLaw88GT]

I will be there....

[Prince Valiant]

I will be there....We could have a shoot-out of the 318's!

[A B4C Z]

Ill Be there with the truck this year!

[70 cutlass 442]

We could have a shoot-out of the 318's!

see whos transmission last the longest?

[SmokinRAM114]

see whos transmission last the longest?

probly longer then yours will from today:rolf

[70 cutlass 442]

probly longer then yours will from today:rolf

:rolf true dat

[lit666]

I think I'll bring the zx2 up there.

[Dr. Ford]

How high does the Dyno go?! Not for the 'Bird, of course:devil

[juicedimpss]

How high does the Dyno go?! Not for the 'Bird, of course:devil

:wow
uh oh

[2000navyz]

i wanna say 1200hp/tq i think?? 70challenger will chime in

[SmokinRAM114]

i know for a fact it only reads to 1200ftlbs. LOL hp i duno. cant they upgrade the software to make it capable of reading more?

[70challenger]

as of last year two years ago it was 1200 h.p./tq. i know they were talking about getting the 1500 h.p. upgrade but im not sure if they did. we found this out trying to dyno a 2800 hp blown alky hemi.

[Syclone0044]

as of last year two years ago it was 1200 h.p./tq. i know they were talking about getting the 1500 h.p. upgrade but im not sure if they did. we found this out trying to dyno a 2800 hp blown alky hemi.

What happened? Did it just flatline or did the dyno overheat?

What type of dyno does the Nagel show use? Is it like a DynoJet with a 3500# drum?

BTW what kind of dyno can handle a 2800 HP blown alky hemi? Or how did you arrive at the 2800 HP number. I know the Top Fuel guys they always say its an "estimated 8000 HP" because there aren't any dynos that read that high, so I'm wondering what the highest dyno can handle.

[Breecher_7]

What happened? Did it just flatline or did the dyno overheat?

What type of dyno does the Nagel show use? Is it like a DynoJet with a 3500# drum?

BTW what kind of dyno can handle a 2800 HP blown alky hemi? Or how did you arrive at the 2800 HP number. I know the Top Fuel guys they always say its an "estimated 8000 HP" because there aren't any dynos that read that high, so I'm wondering what the highest dyno can handle.

Ive seen dyno's that go to 2,500hp...

I know WB Dyno's Mustang will read up to 2100 hp.

Good luck with keeping anything over 1,500hp straped without blowing the tires off though.. :rolf

[juicedimpss]

Ive seen dyno's that go to 2,500hp...

I know WB Dyno's Mustang will read up to 2100 hp.

Good luck with keeping anything over 1,500hp straped without blowing the tires off though.. :rolf

have you seen 2100 hp on that dyno yet?

[2000navyz]

w/ the times the car was running 2800 hp was a pretty close estimate.

[Breecher_7]

have you seen 2100 hp on that dyno yet?

Well as we saw with Jims car even *1350hp* is hard to keep glued. To my knowledge that is the most powerfull car that has been on it to date. Wont be for long though. :thumbsup

2000 hp would be interesting.

[juicedimpss]

Well as we saw with Jims car even *1350hp* is hard to keep glued. To my knowledge that is the most powerfull car that has been on it to date. Wont be for long though. :thumbsup

2000 hp would be interesting.

dont be so sure of that :rolf
session number 2 is coming up.

[Breecher_7]

dont be so sure of that :rolf
session number 2 is coming up.

I anxiously await its return!!! :thumbsup

[70challenger]

What happened? Did it just flatline or did the dyno overheat?

What type of dyno does the Nagel show use? Is it like a DynoJet with a 3500# drum?

BTW what kind of dyno can handle a 2800 HP blown alky hemi? Or how did you arrive at the 2800 HP number. I know the Top Fuel guys they always say its an "estimated 8000 HP" because there aren't any dynos that read that high, so I'm wondering what the highest dyno can handle.

2800 h.p. was an estimate but not far off considering the combo we were running compared to other blown alky set-ups. its basically a top alcohal dragster motor with a regular hi-helix blower similer to a top fuel blower, but the t.a. dragsters use a screw blower which makes more boost and is more efficient. the first run it anialated the tires and so we strapped it down real hard for the next run. it still spun bad but pegged it within maybe a second and a half. the same motor pushed the 3200 lb. all steel car in my sig to 205 mph down the groves junk track on a VERY mild tune up.

[Dr. Ford]

I anxiously await its return!!! :thumbsup

I'll bring all 8 cylinders this time, more boost, more fuel and the belt dressing!
Were leaving for the Dynomax finals next Wednesday, now that they will allow 93 octane, and the top qualifier made over 1700-
I'll tell you a secret Steve Morris told me...
we're gonna win:headbang
Funny how its one week before racing Tuff, aint it:D
Man, I thought getting older was gonna be boring:banana

[Crawlin]

What a little birdy told me.... I'd put money on that statement :)

[ND4SPD]

If they're using the same dyno as last year it's a dyno company out of Ohio that uses a mobile Dynojet dyno. My car's been on their dyno at least twice.

[Smokey1226]

I'll bring all 8 cylinders this time, more boost, more fuel and the belt dressing!
Were leaving for the Dynomax finals next Wednesday, now that they will allow 93 octane, and the top qualifier made over 1700-
I'll tell you a secret Steve Morris told me...
we're gonna win:headbang
Funny how its one week before racing Tuff, aint it:D
Man, I thought getting older was gonna be boring:banana

I have a nice big delivery coming in tomorrow, and a good chunk of it is for you sir :thumbsup Overnighted a skid to see the black beast dominate :headbang

[nismodave]

I'll bring all 8 cylinders this time, more boost, more fuel and the belt dressing!
Were leaving for the Dynomax finals next Wednesday, now that they will allow 93 octane, and the top qualifier made over 1700-
I'll tell you a secret Steve Morris told me...
we're gonna win:headbang
Funny how its one week before racing Tuff, aint it:D
Man, I thought getting older was gonna be boring:banana

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[Smokey1226]

If they're using the same dyno as last year it's a dyno company out of Ohio that uses a mobile Dynojet dyno. My car's been on their dyno at least twice.

ill be there Wes, so if you want me to bring that Import lmk :headbang

[ND4SPD]

ill be there Wes, so if you want me to bring that Import lmk :headbang

I will most likely be attending the Saturday session, so bring it then. Thanks.

[Z Speed]

Ill probably roll up there. wanna see what the cobalt is puttin down for power now

[jbiscuit]

Bump for this week!!! Can't wait! I hope to get over there on my lunchhour too on Friday!

[SmokinRAM114]

Bump for this week!!! Can't wait! I hope to get over there on my lunchhour too on Friday!

:banana1::banana:banana1::banana cant wait my self

[jbiscuit]

weather is lookin good for friday! Nice cool temps should bring some good numbers!

[Poncho]

hmm should i go to watch it blow

[SmokinRAM114]

hmm should i go to watch it blow

wait, ur car again?:stare:goof

[Smokey1226]

Chris- I just talked to Neil today to try and get him on the dyno, but his truck isnt quite done yet. Although we might have another big diesel coming from my area to the even but we'll have to see.

[SLOWC5]

hmm should i go to watch it blow

should i bring the truck and trailer to the dyno just in case... I work right there ill be listening all day long on friday

[SmokinRAM114]

should i bring the truck and trailer to the dyno just in case... I work right there ill be listening all day long on friday

oh that note i live about 5min from the dyno and have a aluminum car trailer w/winch (well, hand operated but it will get it up there) and ill be there all weekend. so any members here break id be more then willing to tow ur junk for u, just pay for fuel:thumbsup

[70challenger452]

I be back home for the weekend, I might be working the food stand friday, c u guys there

[FourEyedFord]

If I had to make a tuning adjustment, like a jet change, would that be a problem in between runs?

[70challenger]

If I had to make a tuning adjustment, like a jet change, would that be a problem in between runs?

yeah it shouldnt be a too much of a problem bobby, as long as ur not up there all day.

just a side note chad from Schmidt's gas and go will also be there with his trailer selling race gas.

[DoubleAron]

yeah it shouldnt be a too much of a problem bobby, as long as ur not up there all day.

just a side note chad from Schmidt's gas and go will also be there with his trailer selling race gas.

How about if he is up there all day picking up pieces? Would that be a problem?:rolf

Sorry Bobs I had to.

[ND4SPD]

Is there any pre-registration setup for this?

[70challenger]

Is there any pre-registration setup for this?

nope just show up. first come, first serve.

[Smokey1226]

Bobby- Ill bring a few pails of Maximal for you just incase you wanna stay on the dyno longer.

Wes- If you show up friday ill have your Import along.

Everyone else, if you are going and want fuel that you know of ahead of time LMK, im going to have plenty of 110/112/114/C16/Q16/C12/C14/MS109 on hand so that should cover most of everyone.

[FourEyedFord]

yeah it shouldnt be a too much of a problem bobby, as long as ur not up there all day.


Cool!
I just wanted to tweak the 16psi tune, if I put down 800rwhp safely I will be happy.
I am not looking for a kill tune up or anything.........yet. :D

Chad, I will pick some up on Saturday from you. Are you going to be around?

[FourEyedFord]

How about if he is up there all day picking up pieces? Would that be a problem?:rolf

Sorry Bobs I had to.

Don't say sh!t like that. Think happy thoughts!

[Smokey1226]

Chad, I will pick some up on Saturday from you. Are you going to be around?

I will most likely be at the dyno both Friday and Sat.

Due to someone switching hours i can only stay till about 1pm on sat. But if your going to be there before then, ill have your fuel on hand.

[FourEyedFord]

I will most likely be at the dyno both Friday and Sat.

Due to someone switching hours i can only stay till about 1pm on sat. But if your going to be there before then, ill have your fuel on hand.

I'll probably be going Sunday. So if you are working after 1pm on saturday, I can come pic some fuel up then.

[Flicktitty]

I'll probably be going Sunday. So if you are working after 1pm on saturday, I can come pic some fuel up then.

racecar :rolf

[ND4SPD]

Bobby- Ill bring a few pails of Maximal for you just incase you wanna stay on the dyno longer.

Wes- If you show up friday ill have your Import along.

Everyone else, if you are going and want fuel that you know of ahead of time LMK, im going to have plenty of 110/112/114/C16/Q16/C12/C14/MS109 on hand so that should cover most of everyone.

I will probably stop out this afternoon for a little bit... and I *should* be there before 1 tomorrow.

[DoubleAron]

Bobby- Ill bring a few pails of Maximal for you just incase you wanna stay on the dyno longer.

Wes- If you show up friday ill have your Import along.

Everyone else, if you are going and want fuel that you know of ahead of time LMK, im going to have plenty of 110/112/114/C16/Q16/C12/C14/MS109 on hand so that should cover most of everyone.

PM me a price on 10 gallons of VP C16.:shades

[70challenger]

i just stopped by the dyno and they are running cars so anyone that gets off early can head over and and probably get in right away.

[DurtyKurty]

Will the dyno be moved inside if it's raining tomorrow?

[sakisteve]

have you seen 2100 hp on that dyno yet?

Only for Muti Axle

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[ND4SPD]

i just stopped by the dyno and they are running cars so anyone that gets off early can head over and and probably get in right away.

Yeah, I was just over there... if I didn't still have a quarter tank of pump gas in it, I would've had them put mine on.

[70challenger]

yeah it started raining on my way home so they will be putting it inside and the shop is big enough for a lot of people to stand in there too.

[ND4SPD]

Well that should make it interesting getting over there tomorrow then... drag radials + rain always makes for interesting driving.:wooo

[Smokey1226]

Im not sure about tomorrow, with the rain all day. I hope to make it but might just stay and finish ripping apart our stang

[CPonyGo]

any numbers from anyone yet

[MurphysLaw88GT]

Had fun today

[SmokinRAM114]

any numbers from anyone yet

i seen like 8 cars go yesterday but now body here i believe. Jerry's 70 torino put 9xxhp at the wheels SC and NOS:stare


oh yea it was a really good time still alot of people showed for the shitty weather

[ND4SPD]

I'm going to be heading out there in a little bit myself.

[purpl72olds]

70Challenger will be enroute very soon! No Trailer!!!!!

[Syclone0044]

Someone shoot some video!! I would do it if I didn't live 1+hr away..

[2000navyz]

i put down a whopping 385 rwhp :(

[CPonyGo]

Thats awesome...what were you expecting...? I am hoping for in that area

[ND4SPD]

Meh... every time I put my car on their dyno it puts out far less than it should. I don't know if it's the humidity or what. First run it spun the tires. I only put down 616 whp on the second run. By the third run of course it's starting to get heatsoaked so last run was worse than that. I know the car can do much more than that (cuz it's done it before). I suppose it'll help when I can actually plug into the ECU and see what's going on.

[Smokey1226]

Easy fix Wes, 74dbb :D

[BAD LS1]

This air sucks ass right now, its not surprising to hear of "less than expected" numbers today.

[ND4SPD]

Easy fix Wes, 74dbb :D

Lol, yeah and blow my pistons sky high. I think I'll wait until I get the engine and the head built so I can rev to 9000... then I think the added lag of a 74 will be tolerable. Heck, while I'm dreaming... 3.25L stroker FTW! :D

Damn right about the air... feels like I could slice it like butta right now.

By the way Chad... had to try out 30 psi while I had the VP Import in there... and all I can say is: :wooo A little scary, but still fun.

[Smokey1226]

By the way Chad... had to try out 30 psi while I had the VP Import in there... and all I can say is: :wooo A little scary, but still fun.

Yeah, that import loves big PSI. I soooooo want a ride on 30psi :D :headbang

[ND4SPD]

I'll see what I can do to get out there this week if the weather's nice.

[Smokey1226]

I'll see what I can do to get out there this week if the weather's nice.

I just did my happy dance after reading that! lol Oh snap imma bring my Old School Speed Racer style helmet :rolf

[SmokinRAM114]

******* gay ass shit happened before we went on the dyno.. first we were just checking the nitrious (truck not running) turn the bottle on and it sounded funky, sure enough the line into the intake immediatly froze.... Solenoid stuck open:mad: borrowed a solenoid off 70cutlass442's car (smaller .80 selinoid 200hp wick in it, we had a .120 400) pulled the truck around back and it threw a CL through the pcm putting the truck in limp mode and not going out of 2nd gear:mad::mad: cleared it only to be able to lock up the truck in 3rd gear instead of od! flipoff2: got it on the dyno and it was WAYYYYYYYYY over fueled EGTS wouldnt go over 1000. made 574hp. should have turned one chip off and it would have made more. 3rd run turned the bottle on and sprayed it too soon and it backfired LOL putting the flame out is always fun. then finally waited for the turbo to start spooling and hit it making a hell of a pull only to put 642hp to the tire. this thing should have WAY more if he could have put it OD. this same setup netted another guy 812hp to the tire. we wanted 750+ on spray. i think its definetly there we just gota get it on a dyno and do a little tuning. we finished the truck sat morning at 3am and dynoed it at 1pm:punch: he was to anxious to see what it would do and should have just waited for today..

[ND4SPD]

I'm tellin ya, that Ohio company has some bad mojo about them. I'm not trying to sh*t on Duffy's event, but every time I have had my car on their dyno something hasn't gone right. The first time I had it on their dyno was probably 3 or 4 years ago out in Madison. The car then was breaking up bad in the upper RPMs (just like it was yesterday). By the last pull (I think they actually gave me 5 pulls because they let off on two of them) I made 410WHP. The car, a month or two earlier made 423WHP on an in-ground Dynojet... same tune. Then last year, the second time I had my car on their dyno... yet again it started breaking up in the upper RPMs and only made 390 or so (it's on the 2K7 board at Nagel). And finally we have yesterday, where first run it burns the tires, then second run it breaks up 6k to 7k, and third run it's better, but is now heatsoaked and losing power. Now, mind you I had my car out on the highway before and after every single event and had no problems with spark breakup... until I get on their dyno. Before Sound Performance gave me my car back they had run a 636WHP at 26 psi... and even more at 29 and 31psi. And that was on a Mustang Dyno which I've heard reads lower than a Dynojet. I know for me, as soon as the end user software comes out for my ECU I'm going to probably take it up to Forest and do a few runs with it to make sure I'm not going crazy. I know a dyno shouldn't have those sorts of effects on a car... but damn.

[SLOWC5]

I had no issues when they dynoed my car 406/373 cam only LS1, along with A B4C Z's 575hp pulls, Drty LS1's 423 hp pulls.

I cant believe with the horrible air quality yesterday you haven't even said one thing about that in your post. On a forced induction car humidty plays a huge roll, plus that fact is was 75+ degrees. you know that!

[ND4SPD]

Yeah, I know... the humidity was really really bad. I just wasn't expecting it to rob me of as much power as it did. I still stand by my Bad Mojo comment... the evil Ohio Buckeyes coming to mess with us Wisconsin folk!:goof

[SLOWC5]

friday after work, the 55 chevy with twin turbo 383 blow through made like 64xhp earlier, then the humidty and temp went down, they tossed back on and made one pull. picked up 40 to the wheels!, thats huge

[ND4SPD]

Okay, I'm done whining. Just needed to vent for a moment. All in all it was nice to meet a couple more BCM'ers (SmokinRam and 70 Cutlass). I wish I could have made a day of it, but family duties call. I saw your car there SlowC5... but didn't know who you were.