Obama.... plans to disarm the military?

[88Nightmare]

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/02/27/obama-plans-to-disarm-america

[Nix]

That right there is some scary shit... He can't be serious, it's gotta be all talk. No one in their right mind would even begin to dabble in doing something like dismember our military yet along with weapon production. :confused

[88Nightmare]

idk, this upcoming election is gonna be kinda scary.... who would you like to see in office.......?


at this point, it seems like who is the lesser of the evils?

[Breecher_7]

In the words of the late Charlton Heston. "You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands"

**** Obama..... :flipoff2:

[Karps TA]

Yes and Bush Jr. said he was going to fix Social Security, and Bush Senior said no new taxes, and Clinton said he didn't have sex with that girl...

Everything that comes out of politicians mouths are mearly pandering to whatever crowd they are in front of at that time.

Umm since when does the President have that much power anyways? Doesn't congress have a pretty good say in that? And since that would be cutting money from the budget I highly doubt congress has any interest in that. Now if Barack said it would cost a trillion dollars to do that, well then I'd be scared, cause congress would love that.

[Nix]

idk, this upcoming election is gonna be kinda scary.... who would you like to see in office.......?


at this point, it seems like who is the lesser of the evils?

Honestly Bro, I would be tempted to vote third party this time. If I had to choose bewteen the lesser evils it would be Mccain hands down.

[88Nightmare]

Honestly Bro, I would be tempted to vote third party this time. If I had to choose bewteen the lesser evils it would be Mccain hands down.

agreed.

[Goat Roper]

A little less right wing nutty view of all this; http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2008/03/obamas_missile_defenses.html

[Nix]

When it comes that time I agree it will be scary to see which way the Nation does end up turning. But regardless we are in for a shitfest no matter who wins office.

[moels]

Doesn't matter who the figurehead......er President is. The economy is going in the shitter and will not recover. The political system is corrupt just like the legal system and big business. These fukkin tree huggers and their " let's get rid of all the guns " bs, makes me sick.

Just to add to my rant, I can't believe how disrespectful our youth has become. I don't believe in beating a kid, but I sure minded my dad when I thought the possibility was there. I'm not speaking of my kids as I have a great relatinship with them and they are very respectful to others. It's these punk kids with dirty mouths and no respect for their elders. I blame parents to an extent, but I also blame the system for not letting parents discipline their kids. "If you raise your voice to little Bobby Sissyboy, he'll develop problems later in life" --in my best gay social worker voice. lol I'm just sick of the state of the world right now. I guess I should just go and hit the punching bag for awhile. :)

[88Nightmare]

there is a difference to beating your kids and a "disciplinary" smack. Its a fine line. Tree huggers cant tell the difference, and some people don't know when to stop....

[moels]

there is a difference to beating your kids and a "disciplinary" smack. Its a fine line. Tree huggers cant tell the difference, and some people don't know when to stop....

Very true statement there.

[Karps TA]

One question on a missile defense system. Who would be firing this missile at us? I don't see Al Qeida concentrating their efforts on a long range nuke missile program. I would think it would be much easier to just truck the thing in over one of our vast borders. Maybe along with 50 or 60 illegal aliens.

I'd like to see a bit of that money diverted to the, build a big wall or fence on the mexican border defense system.

[88Nightmare]

apparently no one ever watches carlos mencia. The southern border is not the issue.... we need to protect the canadian border. If a muslim extremist crosses the mexican border and blows something up, the united states WILL shut that border down, and no one, including mexicans will be able to cross. And they won't want that, so if some extremist tries crossing that mexican border, you can besure the mexicans he is traveling with will go rat him out. If I remember correctly, all the muslims involved with the 9/11 tragedy came into the country through Canada.....

[05caddyext]

If I remember correctly, all the muslims involved with the 9/11 tragedy came into the country through Canada..

Most of them were actually here on "student" visas which they overstayed their time limit on. They were able to fly in and out of the country with no problem, they had valid student visas and were enrolled in flight schools all across the nation. They had jobs and were paying rent, just like the rest of us.

[88Nightmare]

and of course since their visas ran out, no government agency bothered to go looking for them. they'd rather give people tickets for catalytic converters

[Goat Roper]

If I remember correctly, all the muslims involved with the 9/11 tragedy came into the country through Canada.....

False, not all. they obtained US visas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_al-Mihdhar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majed_Moqed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawaf_Alhazmi (Canada)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_al-Hazmi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wail_al-Shehri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulaziz_al-Omari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwan_Al-Shehhi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayez_Banihammad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_al-Ghamdi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza_al-Ghamdi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohand_al-Shehri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_al-Ghamdi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_al-Haznawi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_al-Nami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziad_Jarrah

[Goat Roper]

and of course since their visas ran out, no government agency bothered to go looking for them.

It's even better than that; http://search.miaminewtimes.com/2003-09-11/news/admitting-terror-9-11-revisited/

[05caddyext]

The government has no clue whos here and when. The airports are not run by the federal government, they hire their own security. Some guy making $8 bucks an hour isn't going to flag someone especially before 9/11. No reason to. Look at how many illegal aliens we have in our jails right now. We know they are illegals, yet since they broke our laws we have to detain them instead of deport them. And by the way, they are building a border fence. That was passed nearly 2 years ago, and its under construction right now. All of the southern states that border mexico have to build a fence across their state.

[Breecher_7]

The government has no clue whos here and when.

You my friend are truly clueless, they know ALOT more then you will ever be aware of.

And by the way, they are building a border fence. That was passed nearly 2 years ago, and its under construction right now. All of the southern states that border mexico have to build a fence across their state.

It needs to be ******* mine field.

[That_Guy]

a couple months ago in one of my classes something was said that i believe could happen..

"america is not and will not be ready for a black president, specially one so radical. god forbid he get elected.. he wont be in office long.."

"secret service just showed up at my door.." lol..

[moels]

a couple months ago in one of my classes something was said that i believe could happen..

"america is not and will not be ready for a black president, specially one so radical. god forbid he get elected.. he wont be in office long.."

"secret service just showed up at my door.." lol..


A guy at work just today said that the people won't stand for a black or woman President and if either won, they would not last long. I just walked away in fear of Big Brother hearing that and striking him down where he stood. :goof

[Al]

In the words of the late Charlton Heston. "You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands"

**** Obama..... :flipoff2:

I doubt that would happen.

[Karps TA]

To me the scariest thing isn't a black president. It's what some ignorant person may do. If something happened to Obama it would cause the biggest race war in the history of this country. The riots and violence would get so out of hand their would be martial law all over the country.

[Breecher_7]

I doubt that would happen.

Hopefully we will never have to find out.

[Yooformula]

if you think those arab countries are going to sit back while we elect a woman or black president you are sorely mistaken. I believe that will cause an escalation in violence as they prove to the rest of the world how weak we are. The fact that they continue with bombs routinely proves that they are strong enough. They dont need to beat us in conventional warfare, they just need to continue inflicting terror and that is considered a win to them.

I gotta say....A BLACK MUSLIM PRESIDENT???? Are you fukking crazy!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! Put aside your psuedo anti racial suit and think about that for a second. I believe in the future we can have a president regardless of race and religion but NOT NOW.

[Breecher_7]

if you think those arab countries are going to sit back while we elect a woman or black president you are sorely mistaken. I believe that will cause an escalation in violence as they prove to the rest of the world how weak we are. The fact that they continue with bombs routinely proves that they are strong enough. They dont need to beat us in conventional warfare, they just need to continue inflicting terror and that is considered a win to them.

Terrorism is all they have, they have no organized defense that could come anywhere close to rivaling our armed forces and they are no REAL threat to our country

I have spent years of my life in that shithole and seen first hand there "army" and what it is capable of.

I have seen first hand our air strikes LEVEL there cities. I have been part of our ground combat forces going through there cities and eliminating practically anything that moved.

Let there attacks on american soil continue. Although I wish no harm to my fellow americans, it will give us a damn good reason to blast those assholes back to the stone age.

They have been fighting since the begining of organized religion, why do we even bother trying to stop them. We are wasting our time, our money, and the well being of american soliders.

I could argue this all day long, but everyone has there own oppinions and unfortunatly its hard to change someones views. Ive seen there nonsense first hand, Ive seen my friends needlessly die for what I see to be a neverending battle.

They are not a real threat to us, we dont need to be there any longer.

[88Nightmare]

I completely agree. Right now, everything has to do with race. some people are against mexicans because there is a large percentage of them that are illegal immigrants.... many people are against middle eastern people (good or bad) because of 9/11.... if there was a muslim president, that certainly would not project a good image to the rest of the world, especially the middle east

[Yooformula]

In all honesty, until we leave israel and stay out of their business, they wont stop coming after us. I say level the entire region once and for all OR stay out of the middle east completely...ALL OF IT. I know our bombs wreak havoc but how much of it actually hurts the guerilla fighters? not very much unless we level the mountain ranges. With a min amount of weapons these jihadists waged a war with russia for over 10 years. its like asking a dog to not run or bark, they dont know any better.

[88Nightmare]

too many tree huggers to allow that to happen. and believe me, im sure we have enough nuclear bombs to make a new ocean out of where the middle east is now. if they dont believe us, they can just call up japan. they will connect em with a guy with 3 weiners and 5 balls

[lordairgtar]

In all honesty, until we leave israel and stay out of their business, they wont stop coming after us. I say level the entire region once and for all OR stay out of the middle east completely...ALL OF IT. I know our bombs wreak havoc but how much of it actually hurts the guerilla fighters? not very much unless we level the mountain ranges. With a min amount of weapons these jihadists waged a war with russia for over 10 years. its like asking a dog to not run or bark, they dont know any better.

You think leaving Israel would prevent the jihadists from attacking us? They want nothing from us, they want to eliminate us. You can't appease these guys. They don't recognize country bounderies, only Islam. Since we won't impose Sharia law, we are infidels.

[Goat Roper]

I gotta say....A BLACK MUSLIM PRESIDENT???? Are you fukking crazy!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! Put aside your psuedo anti racial suit and think about that for a second. I believe in the future we can have a president regardless of race and religion but NOT NOW.

As a friend to many Muslims I can tell you that he is quite far from being a Muslim. Heck, even they see that whole line of bs as a smear...and they are the ones who are being made to be the bad guys in the situation. Keep in mind that his father was a Muslim but that Barack went the way of his white, christian mother from Kansas.

IMO religion should not enter politics, either before you are elected or after.

[OxmanWI]

Wow that is some scary shit right there....just gave me chills going up my back.

It's like have your nuts out there and letting anyone have a kick. Your arms, legs and mouth are taped down. God help us all if he gets elected president.

[moels]

Why don't we just bring the troops back and close the borders and take care of our own. We don't need to be the worlds bully do we? Noone likes a bully and that's the way it is turning out for us. Feed and take care of the people here in the USA before sending billions that we don't have to other countries.

[Karps TA]

Why don't we just bring the troops back and close the borders and take care of our own. We don't need to be the worlds bully do we? Noone likes a bully and that's the way it is turning out for us. Feed and take care of the people here in the USA before sending billions that we don't have to other countries.

:wstupid

One thing we seem to not understand is Democracy is not for everyone and not all of them like our gift quite as much as we would think. Not too mention sometimes giving the people the right to vote puts people in power who hate us even more then the original people. Despite that I still think the best way of making other countries interested in a Democratic style govt, is too show them how great one is to have. And our's hasn't exactly been the shining example it once was.

I'd rather see the troops back here doing the things they do in Iraq but in our inner cities. Let's treat gangs like the domestic terrorists they are.

[moels]

:wstupid

One thing we seem to not understand is Democracy is not for everyone and not all of them like our gift quite as much as we would think. Not too mention sometimes giving the people the right to vote puts people in power who hate us even more then the original people. Despite that I still think the best way of making other countries interested in a Democratic style govt, is too show them how great one is to have. And our's hasn't exactly been the shining example it once was.

I'd rather see the troops back here doing the things they do in Iraq but in our inner cities. Let's treat gangs like the domestic terrorists they are.

:wstupid :thumbsup

[SSDude]

:wstupid

I'd rather see the troops back here doing the things they do in Iraq but in our inner cities. Let's treat gangs like the domestic terrorists they are.

I'd rather we keep drawing them in and taking them out on their soil which helps limit and tie up their resources, instead of leaving them alone and waiting for the next attack on our soil.
Analogy
"Would you rather go out and hunt a few killer bees at a time or wait for the swarm to descend on you?"

[moels]

I'd rather we keep drawing them in and taking them out on their soil which helps limit and tie up their resources, instead of leaving them alone and waiting for the next attack on our soil.
Analogy
"Would you rather go out and hunt a few killer bees at a time or wait for the swarm to descend on you?"

Good point, but I would think we could better secure our nation if the focus was all about our nation and not everyone elses.

[Karps TA]

I'd rather we keep drawing them in and taking them out on their soil which helps limit and tie up their resources, instead of leaving them alone and waiting for the next attack on our soil.
Analogy
"Would you rather go out and hunt a few killer bees at a time or wait for the swarm to descend on you?"


Seems to me they've never stopped attacking us here. I mean we are paying $4+ for gas here now. And most of that money goes where? Our dollar and economy are as weak as they've been in a long time. Not every attack involves ramming a plane into a building.

Besides if we have a strong presence on our borders and secure our country here, isn't that even better protection? Maybe some of the world will be a little happier to see us if the "World Police" aren't taking care of them all the time.

I guess I feel that my chances of getting killed by a gang banger are alot higher then a terrorist attack in Milwaukee.

[Goat Roper]

I'd rather we keep drawing them in and taking them out on their soil which helps limit and tie up their resources, instead of leaving them alone and waiting for the next attack on our soil.
Analogy
"Would you rather go out and hunt a few killer bees at a time or wait for the swarm to descend on you?"

Thats decent logic if Iraq had been the hot bed terrorists before we took up shop there. We now have Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but still Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda in a bunch of African countrys and I am sure Al-Qaeda here in the states.

We are not fighting a centralized government here but a very loosely connected, and sometimes not even that, network of groups and people. They do not have a capitol for us to bomb, they do not even have a way to surrender if they wanted to.

9/11 was a few killer bees, do you really think that paying so much attention to the swarm is a great idea?