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myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 10:41 AM
hey guys i was just seeing what would be a safe dry shot on my 89 5.0 with just bolt on's

70 cutlass 442
03-10-2008, 10:58 AM
dry shots are gay. maybe a 75 tops. i have a 200 wet on my 95. stock bottom end

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 11:30 AM
idk well on chitownracing.com thay all told me with a fuel pump and injectors and i can run a 200shot. one of the guys on there had been driving his fox body 5.0 all stock just that and he has been running a 200 shot for 4 years now.

torque.hit
03-10-2008, 11:31 AM
dry shots are gay. maybe a 75 tops. i have a 200 wet on my 95. stock bottom end

You're brave doing that with the factory hypers. If you had the older forged motor I'd feel a lot more comfortable with that.

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 11:34 AM
well i was just going to run a dry 75 shot.

DRK
03-10-2008, 12:17 PM
Like I said on CHIT Town wet kits suck!
Anderson ford sells 350hp dry kits because they know they work. A wet kit in a long runner intake is asking for problems, it's simple physics. This is my friends intake after a small hiccup on a 175hp single nozzle wet shot. A dry kit is MUCH safer!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/DRK_LLC/assplosion.jpg

juicedimpss
03-10-2008, 12:26 PM
Like I said on CHIT Town wet kits suck!
Anderson ford sells 350hp dry kits because they know they work. A wet kit in a long runner intake is asking for problems, it's simple physics. This is my friends intake after a small hiccup on a 175hp single nozzle wet shot. A dry kit is MUCH safer!


i will agree with some(mostly fuel injected style) intakes,it is safer to run a dry shot due to fuel puddling.

70 cutlass 442
03-10-2008, 12:35 PM
idk well on chitownracing.com thay all told me with a fuel pump and injectors and i can run a 200shot. one of the guys on there had been driving his fox body 5.0 all stock just that and he has been running a 200 shot for 4 years now.

true, i have a better fuel pump obviously, but didnt want to spot the extra money for injectors


You're brave doing that with the factory hypers. If you had the older forged motor I'd feel a lot more comfortable with that.

i dont care, give me reason to put my other motor in, im really just trying to see what kind of a hit this thing will handel :wooo


Like I said on CHIT Town wet kits suck!
Anderson ford sells 350hp dry kits because they know they work. A wet kit in a long runner intake is asking for problems, it's simple physics. This is my friends intake after a small hiccup on a 175hp single nozzle wet shot. A dry kit is MUCH safer!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/DRK_LLC/assplosion.jpg

very true, i use the berry grant plate setup that bolts to my intake elbow. that seemed to add more power then with the same shot through a single fogger nozzle

torque.hit
03-10-2008, 12:51 PM
i dont care, give me reason to put my other motor in, im really just trying to see what kind of a hit this thing will handel :wooo

I'm just jealous, must have spray....:nitrous

70 cutlass 442
03-10-2008, 03:53 PM
I'm just jealous, must have spray....:nitrous

spray is fun, lots of people dont like it, its just because they arnt not capable of understanding it and in turn scares them. its probably the most fun form of forced induction.

That_Guy
03-10-2008, 04:12 PM
no comment about this subject. either forms of n2o have there ups and downs. i had a wet shot on my ecotec it was pretty nice.

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 04:34 PM
kk thanks guys i will run a 125 shot for now and see how it takes it

DirtyMax
03-10-2008, 04:51 PM
Hurry before Scotty gets in here and talks you into a 400 shot! :goof

70 cutlass 442
03-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Hurry before Scotty gets in here and talks you into a 400 shot! :goof

:rolf i was already worried when i saw ron post.

juicedimpss
03-10-2008, 04:58 PM
:rolf i was already worried when i saw ron post.

i would never tell a beginner to spray a huge shot.
that requires a learning curve,which can be expensive.
:thumbsup

That_Guy
03-10-2008, 05:03 PM
i would never tell a beginner to spray a huge shot.
that requires a learning curve,which can be expensive.
:thumbsup

let me link you to that learning curve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYf5OIQG8XA

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 05:44 PM
haha nice. i when i had money i would **** around with boost :) i had a awd talon that i got for $200 put in a 60trim that i had and turnd the boost up to 30lb. now thats fun. motor goes BOOM. lol but yeah i will stick with my 100dry shot.

DRK
03-10-2008, 06:11 PM
i would never tell a beginner to spray a huge shot.
that requires a learning curve,which can be expensive.
:thumbsup

Talk about expensive :wow a summer of refilling a bottle will buy you a blower!

70 cutlass 442
03-10-2008, 06:58 PM
Talk about expensive :wow a summer of refilling a bottle will buy you a blower!

thats why after 4th bottle fill i bought a vortech, but i still love the way the spray hits.

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 08:04 PM
yeah well i dont have 2k to drop on one and i wanna go twin turbo come summer

juicedimpss
03-10-2008, 08:28 PM
Talk about expensive :wow a summer of refilling a bottle will buy you a blower!

using a round number of $4000(which i think is cheap for a blower kit complete) it could pay for almost 888lbs of nitrous(at 4.50lb).based off the fact most people oly use about 5 lbs per bottle before topping it off,thats 177refills.
how many times do you go to the track in a season?

HY35F2T
03-10-2008, 08:29 PM
whats a good cam for spray say a 200shot.:D on a 302 with basic intake and exhaust mods maf.

DRK
03-10-2008, 08:53 PM
using a round number of $4000(which i think is cheap for a blower kit complete) it could pay for almost 888lbs of nitrous(at 4.50lb).based off the fact most people oly use about 5 lbs per bottle before topping it off,thats 177refills.
how many times do you go to the track in a season?

you can get a used powerdyne for $800 that will make 120rwhp

a new sc-trim vortech is only $1650. It will support 650+hp and local guys are going mid 10's with those on very mild combos.

for $4000 you can buy a blower that will support 2000HP

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 08:55 PM
oki will ask u guys what would it take to get me into the mid 12's range?

DRK
03-10-2008, 08:57 PM
gears, exhaust, converter and 125hp shot

badass88gt
03-10-2008, 09:02 PM
Hell, just gears, sticky tires and a 125 will do that.

DRK
03-10-2008, 09:04 PM
I can't stand driving aods with out a converter

badass88gt
03-10-2008, 09:06 PM
I didnt see where he said AOD. My bad.

DRK
03-10-2008, 09:16 PM
he posted it in his thread on chitown

HY35F2T
03-10-2008, 09:19 PM
whats a good cam for spray say a 200shot.:D on a 302 with basic intake and exhaust mods maf.

anyone?

DRK
03-10-2008, 09:25 PM
the stock cam is about as big a cam as you want with the stock heads

HY35F2T
03-10-2008, 09:26 PM
the stock cam is about as big a cam as you want with the stock heads

well im going to copy my friend with doe heads.

DRK
03-10-2008, 09:31 PM
thats less then a 20cfm gain stock to stock.

HY35F2T
03-10-2008, 09:56 PM
thats less then a 20cfm gain stock to stock.

idk ive been reading that its better then the gt40 heads.

badass88gt
03-10-2008, 10:05 PM
Nope.

HY35F2T
03-10-2008, 10:14 PM
Nope.

to who me?

DRK
03-10-2008, 10:27 PM
e7 = 159/109 @.500
351 iron = 177/142 @.500
gt 40 iron = 187/129 @.500
gt 40p = 189/127 @.500
TFS TW = 251/187 @.500

http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdc.htm#Ford

juicedimpss
03-10-2008, 10:41 PM
you can get a used powerdyne for $800 that will make 120rwhp

a new sc-trim vortech is only $1650. It will support 650+hp and local guys are going mid 10's with those on very mild combos.

for $4000 you can buy a blower that will support 2000HP

i dont see those kits (complete) being that cheap new.
sorry.

DRK
03-10-2008, 10:42 PM
which ones are those?

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 10:53 PM
what gears should i put in my rear end?

DirtyMax
03-10-2008, 10:57 PM
what gears should i put in my rear end?

If you're AOD with a Fox which it sounds like you are, and are gonna do a gear swap, don't go less than 4.10 even if you plan on spraying the garden hose at it. Anything less won't be worth your time and $$...

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 11:01 PM
im sorry i know nothing about this stuff. whats AOD? all i have ever had was dsm's so thats all i know.

DirtyMax
03-10-2008, 11:17 PM
Automatic Over Drive aka not 5 speed (stick shift)

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 11:25 PM
yeah i got that. any one have any thoughts on what i should buy next? i have the spray. intake full exh and pullys and wider rims and tires

juicedimpss
03-10-2008, 11:34 PM
yeah i got that. any one have any thoughts on what i should buy next? i have the spray. intake full exh and pullys and wider rims and tires

a chevy.
:banana1:

myturbo300zx
03-10-2008, 11:36 PM
naw i would go back to my dsm's befor i would do that:thumbsup

badass88gt
03-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Sticky tires.

DRK
03-11-2008, 12:44 AM
4:10 to 4:30 gear
at least a 255lph intank fuel pump and change the filter
full length weld in subframe connectors
upper and lower torque box reinforcements
upper and lower control arms
DIET... you can easily take hundreds of pounds out of these cars

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 09:58 AM
If you're AOD with a Fox which it sounds like you are, and are gonna do a gear swap, don't go less than 4.10 even if you plan on spraying the garden hose at it. Anything less won't be worth your time and $$...

absoultly correct, at least a 4.10 with that dog of a tranny, that with the spray will wake that thing up!


yeah i got that. any one have any thoughts on what i should buy next? i have the spray. intake full exh and pullys and wider rims and tires

GEARS!!!!! and then a NOS jet assortment kit. if you do a whole lot of spray a wide band mite be a good idea too.


naw i would go back to my dsm's befor i would do that:thumbsup

thats just retarded



4:10 to 4:30 gear
at least a 255lph intank fuel pump and change the filter
full length weld in subframe connectors
upper and lower torque box reinforcements
upper and lower control arms
DIET... you can easily take hundreds of pounds out of these cars

i would do that 255 lph pump before i spray period. i bouhgt an adjustable fuel regulator, and a walbro 255 for i think $94 shippied from some place online. cheap insurence!

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 10:07 AM
do i have to drop the tank to do the pump? and how hard it it to do the gears?

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 10:08 AM
and i think i might have gears. cause i raced an evo 8 2 nights ago from 5mph to 80 and i was not even a car behind. he had 1 other person in his car but still.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 10:45 AM
you do have drop the tank, but its realitivly easy. id throw your car up on stands and verify your rear gear. 4.10s will be huge difference if you dont have them.

doe302
03-11-2008, 10:45 AM
you can get a used powerdyne for $800 that will make 120rwhp

a new sc-trim vortech is only $1650. It will support 650+hp and local guys are going mid 10's with those on very mild combos.

for $4000 you can buy a blower that will support 2000HP


if you wanna waste your money on a powerdyne that up to you.
sure a vorech might cost $1650 but does that include injectors, fuel pump,the premium gas thats needed and all the other shit? and i belive that $4000 is about the price for an 05 and up stang and if you waste your money on that for a new stang they only run 12.30's with all the other boltons including sc,full exhaust including longtubes,gears,steeda suspension, tires, tb, and a tune.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 10:48 AM
if you wanna waste your money on a powerdyne that up to you.
sure a vorech might cost $1650 but does that include injectors, fuel pump,the premium gas thats needed and all the other shit? and i belive that $4000 is about the price for an 05 and up stang and if you waste your money on that for a new stang they only run 12.30's with all the other boltons including sc,full exhaust including longtubes,gears,steeda suspension, tires, tb, and a tune.

you need premium on spray as well. and you can get by with a FMU which will save you cost of injectors. but ron was reffereing tooa complete kit. which would include injectors and probably a FMIC which vortech does not offer in their kits and you have to add it seperatly.

doe302
03-11-2008, 10:49 AM
by the way 70 cutlass 442
there is a TORO for sale by my house if you are intorasted:loser

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 10:53 AM
by the way 70 cutlass 442
there is a TORO for sale by my house if you are intorasted:loser

haha, not my fault that my job requires me to know everything about toros :durr

doe302
03-11-2008, 11:11 AM
actually i do have a question about toros, i have a red one lol, i think its a 6 hp or some shit, its been low on oil for like 2 years but still runs fine, but what kind of oil do i use?:confused not that im retarted or anything i just dont know anything about toros

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 11:29 AM
SAE30 will be fine. and back on subject here, i have herd of guys spraying a solid 175 shot on the forged 302 and not having issues.

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 11:58 AM
well im just going to spray a 125 for now till i get all the rest of my shit.( fuel pump and FMU) but i think i might have a 255 cause its pritty loud u can hear it out side of my car and inside pritty good. sounds just like my 255 that i had in my talon

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:03 PM
well im just going to spray a 125 for now till i get all the rest of my shit.( fuel pump and FMU) but i think i might have a 255 cause its pritty loud u can hear it out side of my car and inside pritty good. sounds just like my 255 that i had in my talon

could be, mine you can hear id idle over the exhaust, but the fmu? :confused

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 12:13 PM
as in i need a fmu

DRK
03-11-2008, 12:14 PM
if you wanna waste your money on a powerdyne that up to you.
sure a vorech might cost $1650 but does that include injectors, fuel pump,the premium gas thats needed and all the other shit? and i belive that $4000 is about the price for an 05 and up stang and if you waste your money on that for a new stang they only run 12.30's with all the other boltons including sc,full exhaust including longtubes,gears,steeda suspension, tires, tb, and a tune.

hokked on fhoniks werked 4 meh:durr

Mark James was running 10s with a junk powerdyne. My GT trapped 121mph with a junk powerdyne. How fast have you gone with those junk doe heads?

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 12:16 PM
hell all i wanna do is run low 12's to high 11's im not even thinking about 10's

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 12:18 PM
hokked on fhoniks werked 4 meh:durr

Mark James was running 10s with a junk powerdyne. My GT trapped 121mph with a junk powerdyne. How fast have you gone with those junk doe heads?

oh snap lol

DRK
03-11-2008, 12:20 PM
as in i need a fmu
A Fuel Management Unit (FMU) is a vacuum/pressure diaphragm that basically raises fuel pressure in the rails when it sees boost. You only need one when trying to cheap out on a forced induction install/tune and use small injectors.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:27 PM
as in i need a fmu

i thought origional plan was just to spray? but a powerdyne will get you into the 11s easily, especially with a miled blower cam.

doe302
03-11-2008, 12:34 PM
hokked on fhoniks werked 4 meh:durr

Mark James was running 10s with a junk powerdyne. My GT trapped 121mph with a junk powerdyne. How fast have you gone with those junk doe heads?

i really dont care what "mark James" ran witha pos powerdyne, but what i do care about is my 302 thats gonna have c9oe heads and other mods and there is no reason what so ever that i cant be running 10's with a 250 shot, and yes i know 302 only handle around 500hp, if my shit splits im just gonna build a 419w that would easly be running low 11's high 10's no motor. sorry but i dont need boost to go fast, especially not boost comming from a pos powerdyne. :thumbsup

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:37 PM
ohhhh ohhh

doe302
03-11-2008, 12:37 PM
and can you first of all tell me why you'd call d0oe heads junk? for the price you can not beat 69-73 351w heads on a 302...... but if you prefer to go with a powerdyne that would be up to you chief.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:39 PM
http://www.huntingsociety.org/Atom-1.jpg

DRK
03-11-2008, 12:40 PM
DOPE302 ...if 351w heads flow like your mouth your shit will be flyin

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 12:41 PM
well im going to slowly start to built a turbo kit for it. but for now could i just run a fpr and bump up my fuel pressure

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:45 PM
DOPE302 ...if 351w heads flow like your mouth your shit will be flyin

:stare


well im going to slowly start to built a turbo kit for it. but for now could i just run a fpr and bump up my fuel pressure

FMU only will work when you have boost. if your running a dry shot then its up to the cars ECM to add more fuel via the injectors. as long as the fuel pump is there to back it up.

juicedimpss
03-11-2008, 12:48 PM
DOPE302 ...if 351w heads flow like your mouth your shit will be flyin

this is the best post in the thread.
:rolf
sorry for the hijack.

doe302
03-11-2008, 12:49 PM
ok so if your gonna talk shit about 351w heads that what kind of heads do you have. oh and congrats for being able to run like 6mph faster then i will be just on motor with out spray and c9oe's and with out a powerdyne......

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 12:50 PM
in all fairness, 6mph is good for about 50 hp.....

doe302
03-11-2008, 12:50 PM
yeah and so is a powerdyne.....

doe302
03-11-2008, 12:59 PM
:whip

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:01 PM
ok so if your gonna talk shit about 351w heads that what kind of heads do you have. oh and congrats for being able to run like 6mph faster then i will be just on motor with out spray and c9oe's and with out a powerdyne......

e7 = 159/109 @.500
351 iron = 177/142 @.500
gt 40 iron = 187/129 @.500
gt 40p = 189/127 @.500
TFS TW = 251/187 @.500

http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdc.htm#Ford

I don't have to talk shit about them the numbers speak for themselves:durr

right now on my 331 I have ported and cut Canfields

I sold that car with the powerdyne in 2000


yeah and so is a powerdyne.....
How would you know? Have you ever even seen one or is them being junk just something else you read somewhere?

magazine mechanics:rolleyes:

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:04 PM
Anyway this thread is about Nitrous. I only said you could buy a BD-11 for what you'd spend in refills.

doe302
03-11-2008, 01:04 PM
yeah numbers do speak for them selfs
you pos+powerdyne= 121?
my 302 +c9's - blower, no spray = 115

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 01:05 PM
:banana1: noone even answered my question yet.****ERS:flipoff2: lol

doe302
03-11-2008, 01:07 PM
all i have to do is spend $80 for c9's
how much did you have to spend to get a powerdyne? and to run 6mph faster.....

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:08 PM
yeah numbers do speak for them selfs
you pos+powerdyne= 121?
my 302 +c9's - blower, no spray = 115




Your shit doesn't even run and you know how fast it is. :loser

doe302
03-11-2008, 01:09 PM
well i gotta go to the junk yard now to get some parts for a pontiac, maybe ill find a powerdyne on something

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 01:10 PM
is everyone forgetting torque here? blower will add large tq #s as well as spray, your short track will increase loads and inturn drop your ET, MPH is really only good at estimating HP. a NA motor trapping 6PMH less then a blower car will have far worse ET then a blower or spray car trapping 6PMH lower.

doe302
03-11-2008, 01:14 PM
if you didnt hear me before i said im gonna spray a 200-250 shot, and when i was talking about mph i was just showing how w a powerdyne compares to my motor with out spray or boost...

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:17 PM
what are you talking about gump?
That car made 440rwhp all day long, everytime you ran it out.

your heads are junk let it go!

juicedimpss
03-11-2008, 01:19 PM
i think you two should race in spring.

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't drag race much anymore but, I'd be down if his mom will let him.

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 01:21 PM
hmm i see it hard to find that there junk n/a 302 basic bolt ons carb made 300rwhp.with those heads all motor.No nasty cam or insane compression if he dosent get his shit done ill try and run you.

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:23 PM
I should have my Fastback done by power tour. My vert is just for crusin.

DRK
03-11-2008, 01:29 PM
hmm i see it hard to find that there junk n/a 302 basic bolt ons carb made 300rwhp.with those heads all motor.No nasty cam or insane compression if he dosent get his shit done ill try and run you.

They flow marginally better then a e7. They aren't worth the gaskets to change them. Even after you buy them for $80 you have a set of bare castings that need gone through. After $500-$600 for comparable hardware and service you could have had a set of lightly used aluminum heads that will out flow, out cool, weigh less, and resist detonation better then a 35yr old iron head. I'm sure all of his magazine articles say that.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 01:54 PM
ill race all 3 of you first RSD, argument = done.

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 01:56 PM
ha id hope youd win i havent even had my fox for 24hrs.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 01:58 PM
ha id hope youd win i havent even had my fox for 24hrs.

haha, i had two tickets under my belt within the first 24 hrs of owing mine. sound slike you got some catching up to do:thumbsup

DurtyKurty
03-11-2008, 02:11 PM
well im going to slowly start to built a turbo kit for it. but for now could i just run a fpr and bump up my fuel pressure

If your engine is stock, I have the perfect turbo kit for you. Put you straight into the 11's. :D

As far as the C9 and DO 351w heads... Been there Done that. NOT WORTH IT! There is a reason they are cheap... it's because they are NOT WORTH IT!

DurtyKurty
03-11-2008, 02:20 PM
hmm i see it hard to find that there junk n/a 302 basic bolt ons carb made 300rwhp.with those heads all motor.No nasty cam or insane compression if he dosent get his shit done ill try and run you.

In what?

myturbo300zx
03-11-2008, 03:48 PM
whats the kit?

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 05:25 PM
haha, i had two tickets under my belt within the first 24 hrs of owing mine. sound slike you got some catching up to do:thumbsup

no license to begin with:thumbsup

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 05:28 PM
I don't drag race much anymore but, I'd be down if his mom will let him.

oh the old age card thats not middle school come backs.

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 05:56 PM
no license to begin with:thumbsup

nothing to loose.

badass88gt
03-11-2008, 06:23 PM
I wouldnt bother wasting any time with 351 heads. Like he said, the performance gain over stock E7s isnt even worth the cost of the gaskets to change them. Complete waste of time.

Find a set of heads off a V8 Explorer, it will be much better in a properly matched setup.

CPonyGo
03-11-2008, 07:38 PM
Kurt will post more on the kit but I can vouch for the kit and and what it did for his car...saw it run and drove it myself...what a monster it was

slow90z
03-11-2008, 07:51 PM
Like every else has said, dont waste money on used old casting heads. By the time they're surfaced and a valve job done, and springs yadda yadda yadda, youre looking at $600, by that point you could buy a decent used set of trickflows or something and make way more power. I made the same mistake with my SBC, i thought i was saving money buying a set of ported #291 casting heads, by the time i had gone thru them, i had like $700 in em, and then i realized i could buy a NEW set of dart iron eagles for $100 more that would flow 50cfm more. Spend the money right the first time, instead of pouring money into old junk that you will end up replacing a year later anyways because the shit didnt make any power. And doe302, you prolly wont be running 115mph with heads that flow 177cfm, thats flow number is good for only 350hp max which in a fox would only be good for 110 trap speeds tops.

Back to the topic, fox bodys love spray. With a 125 shot, gears, stall, and sticky tires you should be in the 12s no problem.

CPonyGo
03-11-2008, 07:56 PM
I wouldnt bother wasting any time with 351 heads. Like he said, the performance gain over stock E7s isnt even worth the cost of the gaskets to change them. Complete waste of time.

Find a set of heads off a V8 Explorer, it will be much better in a properly matched setup.

gt40p heads FTMFW!

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 08:15 PM
Like every else has said, dont waste money on used old casting heads. By the time they're surfaced and a valve job done, and springs yadda yadda yadda, youre looking at $600, by that point you could buy a decent used set of trickflows or something and make way more power. I made the same mistake with my SBC, i thought i was saving money buying a set of ported #291 casting heads, by the time i had gone thru them, i had like $700 in em, and then i realized i could buy a NEW set of dart iron eagles for $100 more that would flow 50cfm more. Spend the money right the first time, instead of pouring money into old junk that you will end up replacing a year later anyways because the shit didnt make any power. And doe302, you prolly wont be running 115mph with heads that flow 177cfm, thats flow number is good for only 350hp max which in a fox would only be good for 110 trap speeds tops.

Back to the topic, fox bodys love spray. With a 125 shot, gears, stall, and sticky tires you should be in the 12s no problem.

could not have been said any better, there is a forumla you can use to figure how much horsepower you heads will be capable of making, remember no matter how much cam you throw at something, the heads will max out sooner or later. so if you plan on doing anything down the road, bite the bullet and get some good heads, you can get a decent set of trickflows for about a grand.

doe302
03-11-2008, 08:22 PM
sgt40p FTMFL! junk ass shit, on a carbed 302 with b303 and shorties the car make's 238rwhp...... with my set up it makes 300rwhp...... gt40p heads are crap, 93 cobras had them and they were not much quicker then the gt's.... so whats your point about these gt40p'?
heres your proof on the gt40p crap :chair: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j9z60LEbSRk

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 08:26 PM
b3o3 is a baby **** cam, street avenger is a pos carb. theres a bit more potential in thoes heads, but either way. no matter what you do its going to be a waste unless you spring for a decent set of heads out of the box.

slow90z
03-11-2008, 08:31 PM
how about we dont argue about junk factory heads, as i said already, save up a grand and buy good heads and be done with it.

CPonyGo
03-11-2008, 08:33 PM
I agree..

slow90z
03-11-2008, 08:33 PM
could not have been said any better, there is a forumla you can use to figure how much horsepower you heads will be capable of making, remember no matter how much cam you throw at something, the heads will max out sooner or later. so if you plan on doing anything down the road, bite the bullet and get some good heads, you can get a decent set of trickflows for about a grand.

Here is the calculator http://www.bid2race.com/calcs/powerfromcfm.html
And that is MAX horsepower with everything being ideal, so dont think you'll be at that.

badass88gt
03-11-2008, 09:58 PM
sgt40p FTMFL! junk ass shit, on a carbed 302 with b303 and shorties the car make's 238rwhp...... with my set up it makes 300rwhp...... gt40p heads are crap, 93 cobras had them and they were not much quicker then the gt's.... so whats your point about these gt40p'?
heres your proof on the gt40p crap :chair: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j9z60LEbSRk


You really need to get yourself an education on small block Ford setups before you open your mouth.

To back up my statement, 93 Cobras did NOT have GT40P heads. And what is your definaition of "much quicker"?

70 cutlass 442
03-11-2008, 10:10 PM
thoes gt40 heads show their only good for about 380 hp, and thats crank hp

DRK
03-11-2008, 10:11 PM
oh the old age card thats not middle school come backs.

:crying

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 10:13 PM
:crying

k im not running them so dont matter to me.:punch:

DRK
03-11-2008, 10:13 PM
thoes gt40 heads show their only good for about 380 hp, and thats crank hp

NMRA Factory Stock fox bodies run 10's with a 93 cobra set up.

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 10:15 PM
NMRA Factory Stock fox bodies run 10's with a 93 cobra set up.

that with a blower?

DRK
03-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Nope, N/A and at a 3150 or so race weight to boot. They obviously have their shit together.

DRK
03-11-2008, 10:21 PM
you guys want to go fast on a budget talk to this man
http://www.tmossporting.com/

HY35F2T
03-11-2008, 10:22 PM
Nope, N/A and at a 3150 or so race weight to boot. They obviously have their shit together.

oh im guessing the car is geared for the track shit like that.

DRK
03-11-2008, 10:47 PM
LOL ...yeah more of the "shit like that" then anything else.

MurphysLaw88GT
03-11-2008, 10:48 PM
If your engine is stock, I have the perfect turbo kit for you. Put you straight into the 11's. :D

As far as the C9 and DO 351w heads... Been there Done that. NOT WORTH IT! There is a reason they are cheap... it's because they are NOT WORTH IT!

This is true. This setup made Kurt's car haul ASS for what it was.:thumbsup

doe302
03-11-2008, 11:14 PM
ok i correct myself cobras came with gt40 heads not gt40p. and if you dont belive me i have a ford manual to brove it . and id trust my ford manual anyday over what someone told you. most people dont know shit, they just repeat what they hear... heanse the "GT' markings on them and F3ZE/F4ZE casting numbers
so basicly you dont know shit. and if you wanna know the part numbers they are F3ZZ-A and F4ZZ-A so there you go, 93-95 cobras had gt40 heads.

doe302
03-11-2008, 11:27 PM
and just so you know im not wasting my time with these heads. for $80 i really dont give a ****, and gaskets are like $30 , once again, dont give a ****, that a total of $110, big deal.
and just so you know my plans for "later down the road" is a 419w as i stated earlier because i dont really wanna deal with a motor thats gonna say **** it at 500hp and the only reason im dealing with it now is because i dont have shit for money, which i why im going with those heads, and as i said earlier, for the price its worth it.

DRK
03-12-2008, 12:14 AM
I don't even know what to say to that. This is who I'm picturing typing that.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/DRK_LLC/bilde.jpg

HY35F2T
03-12-2008, 12:58 AM
I don't even know what to say to that. This is who I'm picturing typing that.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t116/DRK_LLC/bilde.jpg

:rolf:rolf:rolf i just spit my kool aide up lmfao

badass88gt
03-12-2008, 02:12 AM
OK Doe302, youre right, I dont know shit. But just for argument's sake, lets hear your accomplishment in the Small Block Ford world. Here's what Ive done.

88 GT DAILY DRIVER
Naturally aspirated
8.2 deck engine (you DO know what that means, right?)
unported heads
hydraulic roller cam
still has power steering and air conditioning
DAILY DRIVEN, many can vouch for that, it's made the 3 hour trip from Wausau to Milwaukee more times than I can count.

This car is no lightweight racecar. It weighs 3400# with me in it.

Remember, daily driven, no power adders. Ive gone a best of 11.15@125 with a shitty 1.57 60' time.

You're absolutely right, I dont know shit about this topic. Now, I challenge you, let's hear what YOUR punkass has done. I dont want to hear what youre "gonna" do.

badass88gt
03-12-2008, 02:20 AM
And remember noob, It's better to say nothing and have people wonder if youre a dumbphuck than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

DRK
03-12-2008, 10:44 AM
It's better to say nothing and have people wonder if youre a dumbphuck than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

thats Mark Twain

doe302
03-12-2008, 11:38 AM
ok ****er im only 17, i highly doubt you knew shit when you were 17

70 cutlass 442
03-12-2008, 12:43 PM
:popcorn

DRK
03-12-2008, 12:48 PM
ok ****er im only 17, i highly doubt you knew shit when you were 17

LMAO:banana1:

slow90z
03-12-2008, 12:52 PM
LMAO :alcoholic

70 cutlass 442
03-12-2008, 01:16 PM
he prolly knew that a powerdyne made more power then crap ass heads from 1902

slow90z
03-12-2008, 01:17 PM
or that vortec heads flow 50cfm more, wait thats for a chevy... hmm :durr

Waver
03-12-2008, 01:21 PM
sounds like junior is biting off more than he can chew

doe302
03-12-2008, 01:43 PM
ok i guesse we'll just have to wait and see this summer

Waver
03-12-2008, 01:43 PM
my money is against you....and i dont take checks

doe302
03-12-2008, 01:55 PM
my money is against you....and i dont take checks

.........

MurphysLaw88GT
03-12-2008, 06:42 PM
he prolly knew that a powerdyne made more power then crap ass heads from 1902

hahahaa

badass88gt
03-12-2008, 06:59 PM
ok ****er im only 17, i highly doubt you knew shit when you were 17

Then perhaps instead of aguing with people and acting like a little douche you should ask questions and maybe learn a thing or 2. Many of us have already gone down the road that you are just starting to travel.

Youre right, I didnt know anything at 17. I thought Chevys were good when I was that age.




ok i guesse we'll just have to wait and see this summer

I'll be waiting.

70 cutlass 442
03-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Youre right, I didnt know anything at 17. I thought Chevys were good when I was that age.





:rolf thats funny.

badass88gt
03-13-2008, 08:49 AM
I found this thread on Corral last night, for anyone doubting the performance possibilities of the junk GT40P heads, which are just V8 Ford Explorer heads, have a look-see here.

http://corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1001337

Pretty impressive for JUNK SUV heads if you ask me.

DRK
03-13-2008, 09:53 AM
or do a search on Jay Allens 'Red Death'

MurphysLaw88GT
03-16-2008, 07:50 PM
i think the p heads are an excellent value. very efficient