First Impressions: West Bend Dyno

[Breecher_7]

Ask And You Shall Receive!

I just got back from West Bend Dyno, owned by Forest and Brad. They have the right idea by locating there shop behind there home to keep overhead low. From what I can see the location is a bit off the beaten track and they definitly need to get some advertising up infront of the house as well as on some major roadways. The only think I can see that may hinder there amount of business is location.

The facility is clean and well organized. The seem to be knee deep in a very cool project right now and I truly believe it will be a force to be reconed with on the street. Im definitly going to pop back in when it goes on the dyno and I want a ride in it.

Forest and Brad seem to be very professional and very customer service friendly. They will bend over backwards to make a customer happy from what I can see at this point, but they are also just starting out and need business. Hopefully this type of service will continue.

I ran my diesel today, numbers were a bit lower then I thought they would be but I guess i can blame that on the auto that doesnt lock up. Considering crappy winter fuel though, i guess its not all that bad.

Thank You Forest and Brad for the opportunity and the unbeatable price! :thumbsup

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[70 cutlass 442]

i think someone needs some :nitrous

[Breecher_7]

i think someone needs some :nitrous

On a diesel? There are much easier ways to make ALOT of power.....

[Deggy]

On a diesel? There are much easier ways to make ALOT of power.....

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z6/deggyfresh/power_pup.jpg

[Smokey1226]

530tq? Damn im at 630!! WOOT WOOT

[Breecher_7]

530tq? Damn im at 630!! WOOT WOOT


At the wheels? Stock? I think not!

IM rated at 660 TQ and 365HP at the crank, this is proof that is not whats at the wheels.

There is no way in hell that thing is cranking out 630tq to the wheels stock.

[HY35F2T]

you guys sound like supras.Hey and wait same results tooooo on the track:banana1:

[Breecher_7]

you guys sound like supras.Hey and wait same results tooooo ont eh track :banana1::banana1:

How so? Im just stating a fact, not "dyno racing" A stock 05 Cummins ram is not going to put anywhere near 630tq to the wheels.

[70 cutlass 442]

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z6/deggyfresh/power_pup.jpg

yes there is, but once thats done, along with exhaust and a fass, thne its time for spray!

[Breecher_7]

yes there is, but once thats done, along with exhaust and a fass, thne its time for spray!

There is always a bigger or a second turbo as well as propane injection.... Nitrous would be the LAST thing on my list.


Seriously, its nice out. If you guys want a dyno run, you should go out there.

[forest]

Thanks Tony, glad you came up, and gave us the opportunuty to run your truck and see the facility here. Yes, the service will continue just as it was for you, I know we will have to offer somthing other than a good price to get and keep buisness, and that is what we will have, customer service.... Thanks again, Forest

[slickwilly]

What do they do for ventilation and cooling?

If the price isn't too bad (never had my sh!t dyno'd before), I might bring the new wheels up just out of curiosity.

Any interest in doing a "dyno day"? Get 5-10 people signed up and do a BBQ or something. Obviously not until the weather improves.

[scottie K]

What do they do for ventilation and cooling?

If the price isn't too bad (never had my sh!t dyno'd before), I might bring the new wheels up just out of curiosity.

Any interest in doing a "dyno day"? Get 5-10 people signed up and do a BBQ or something. Obviously not until the weather improves.


IM sure forest will be doing a few things this yr.... :shades i heard talk of dyno shoot out days, um dyno days ,,,, Buddy days( bring a buddy get a price break....) BCM DAYS..... so theres been some talk about things

[Deggy]

I would like to dyno my car just for shits and giggles.

[HY35F2T]

someone should dyno there shit today if there open.

[Deggy]

I work til 8. Are they open on sundays? Maybe I will take the GA out there for a run. Lol

[Deggy]

I'm guessing the dyno works the opposite way with FWD? Or is it just a RWD dyno?

[oneslowcamino]

Looks nice. I was expecting something a little bigger. Do you have some where that you do installs?

[88Nightmare]

hey tony were those numbers on your truck in stock form? if so, at the wheels that aint bad for a 4x4. Theres quite a bit of parasitic loss in a 4x4. Nothin exhaust and a tune can't fix in a jiffy :D

[Breecher_7]

Yes mike, 100% stock.

[Flight_740]

I want to be there to see Dans GTO gernade.


Dan, please keep me notified.

[Yellow2k1vette]

Do you not have to strap a car down on this type of double-roller dyno?

[Breecher_7]

Do you not have to strap a car down on this type of double-roller dyno?

You bet your ass you have to strap it down....... :alcoholic

[Yellow2k1vette]

You bet your ass you have to strap it down....... :alcoholicFigured so...just didn't see any provisions for that in the building shots.

[Breecher_7]

Figured so...just didn't see any provisions for that in the building shots.


You dont see the D-Rings on the floor in the first picture? THere is also multiple mounting points behind the unit..

[Yellow2k1vette]

You dont see the D-Rings on the floor in the first picture? THere is also multiple mounting points behind the unit..I see them now, yes.

Just unusual to see a dyno bay with no straps anywhere in sight, and no cars on the rollers appearing to be strapped down.

Was just a curious question, not an offensive one,

:haveabeer

[88Nightmare]

so how about an exhaust ventilation system? any fans for blowing wind into the front of the vehicle?

[HITMAN]

I see them now, yes.

Just unusual to see a dyno bay with no straps anywhere in sight, and no cars on the rollers appearing to be strapped down.

Was just a curious question, not an offensive one,

:haveabeer

See pictures one and two. Right hand side. Lots of blue straps to tie things down. :thumbsup

[HITMAN]

so how about an exhaust ventilation system? any fans for blowing wind into the front of the vehicle?

In picture number four, you can see that there are two different fans sitting on a shelf. In photo number six, you can clearly see the exhaust ventilation hoses laying on the floor right behind the roller housing.

[forest]

Yup and today we are installing a large barn fan in the back wall with a flap for outside ventillation and getting a large barn fan for blowing big air into the front of the vehicle. there are about 8 mounting points in the back of the dyno and 4 in the front.

[forest]

also, yes we have a place for install, the rest of the shop is a 2 bay setup and we can build prettymuch anything there. The dyno shots you all saw were just the dyno room that was separate from the install bay.... it gets a bit noisy somtimes... haha

[Smokey1226]

Forest, I have a buddy who has a 98-99 Dodge 1500 Pickup with a Nice 383 Stroker/Cammed/ect and needs to get it onto a Dyno. He was going to go to Borchards (however you spell it) but i told him because you are on BCM to give you a shot. What prices is he looking at. I think he told me Borchards wants 2 pulls for $100? I could be mistaken though.

Thanks
Chad S

[forest]

i used to go to borchardts and yes, 2 pulls for 100 bucks, how about 3 pulls for 60? no a/f but only 10$ more for a/f so 70$ for 3 pulls with a/f

[Smokey1226]

Ill let him know, I told him i thought it was 3 pulls for $70 because he needs A/f

and he said he would be all over that price.
Ill let you know more, next time he stops in.

BTW: Ill try to send most of the guys who ask me to you...just dont let me down :D

[forest]

Ill let him know, I told him i thought it was 3 pulls for $70 because he needs A/f

and he said he would be all over that price.
Ill let you know more, next time he stops in.

BTW: Ill try to send most of the guys who ask me to you...just dont let me down :D

I wont and thanks. the last guy who I strapped on the dyno actually got 5 pulls and was charged for 3...... I like to get people what they pay for....:thumbsup

[STANMAN]

What did the S197 Mustang make, and what's all done to it??

[slickwilly]

Wow, I don't know a lot about dyno pull shop pricing, but that seems damn cheap for a car-by-car basis. I'll be seriously considering doing this in the next month or maybe two.

Good to hear an up-and-coming business is getting good reviews and publicity on a car forum, that always helps. I'll be in touch if/when I decide to have the car run.

[forest]

The Mustang Was Box Stock With 62 Miles On It And It Was Baseline For A Dealer That Is Installing A Blower On It In 2 Weeks, Power Was 274 I Think?

[SmokinRAM114]

forest, what kind of torque rating does that thing flat line at? you probly wont be able to see in there till the smoke clears. haha

[forest]

the guy from mustang upgraded the sofware to handle 2100 hp, 10,000 ftlbs of torque. I would be shocked if it went that high, but thats what he claimed, lets see who can give er hell, haha.

[UnderPSI]

10,000lbft of tq??? Time to put that tug boat motor in my truck.

[DirtyMax]

530tq? Damn im at 630!! WOOT WOOT

That's what the literature probably says. Ours say it's supposed to be rated for 660 (we have the same truck) and his truck read 530 so I'm sure you're not laying down a true 630.

[SmokinRAM114]

530tq? Damn im at 630!! WOOT WOOT

the bully dog crazy larry tune put my buddy lukes at 480hp and 989ft lb on stock everything but trans at the wheels

[Breecher_7]

the bully dog crazy larry tune put my buddy lukes at 480hp and 989ft lb on stock everything but trans at the wheels

I know that tune is rediculous but has he actually had it on the dyno or is he just guessing? I hope his trans is built tough.....

[DirtyMax]

I met a guy this weekend who is an tech who works on Allisons and every other trans for the diesels and he said straight out that these things are so sophisticated nowadays (esp. the Allys) that you better either a. not bother with a big badass tune or b. have reserve funds set aside to build the snot out of your trans.

[forest]

10,000lbft of tq??? Time to put that tug boat motor in my truck.

I know right? I gotta see it to beleive it myself, I do bet I wont see anything over 1500 anytime soon so we got a while before we even get that far, but i do know it will take 2100 for sure now, which makes me happy as hell

[HY35F2T]

I know that tune is rediculous but has he actually had it on the dyno or is he just guessing? I hope his trans is built tough.....

from what i hear if its the same luke that trans is built.

[Breecher_7]

I know BOBO's diesel makes some rediculous power, he should get up there on the dyno...

[70 cutlass 442]

I know that tune is rediculous but has he actually had it on the dyno or is he just guessing? I hope his trans is built tough.....


dyno proven, but was at nagle which ive herd for years is slightly higher then it should be, but the ET hes pulling says its pretty close to that, and its a ATS trans so its "built" until it brakes again

[Breecher_7]

dyno proven, but was at nagle which ive herd for years is slightly higher then it should be, but the ET hes pulling says its pretty close to that, and its a ATS trans so its "built" until it brakes again

I know the dyno forest has doesnt read "high" by any means because there are a few others i know that have dynoed the same truck I have on a dynojet and have come up with 30+ more horespower and 50lbs + more torque.

And that was STOCK, just like mine. Im gonna have to say that the one Forest has was damn accurate when I was there because the tech from the company was there making sure everything was running correctly.

[BlackViper]

Mustang dyno's always read lower then dynojets. They seem to be way less happy!!

[forest]

Mustang Dyno's are the ONLY way to go IMO! Dynojet are the reason fools think they make 600hp yet cant break into the 10's. Mustang dynos tell it how it is. +1
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The Gas Guy

[Windsors 03 Cobra]

I honestly care less about the dyno hp +/- 10% (which is the small difference between a DJ and a MD)
Main reason my car went on the dyno was for a/f tuning.

[Smokey1226]

sorry I had to do a copy and paste, I dunno how to quote from another thread haha

Thats my quote, and hell yes :headbang I dont care what anyone says, its the truth.

[forest]

I honestly care less about the dyno hp +/- 10% (which is the small difference between a DJ and a MD)
Main reason my car went on the dyno was for a/f tuning.

amen to that! who cares if you "only" make 400hp and go 11.50? haha

[SmokinRAM114]

I know that tune is rediculous but has he actually had it on the dyno or is he just guessing? I hope his trans is built tough.....

ATS STG 6 full billet. dyno proven. 480hp 989 ft lb on tune, 586hp 1200ft lb+ flat lined, on spray.

[forest]

nice, im an ATS dealer/installer and there $hit is fuggin awesome!!!

[SmokinRAM114]

nice, im an ATS dealer/installer and there $hit is fuggin awesome!!!

its hit or miss. he actually hates it and i know many others who have had shitty service or bad transs from ats. its his second stg 6 ats built trans in the truck. the first one didnt even work the first mile. It had erratic line pressure and wouldnt go into first gear. then on top of that the customer service SUCKED! he made ats his ***** when they wouldnt even send him a selenoid. when the finally sent one it didnt fix it so after another month of hes not here or he'll call you back he finally got a new trans sent to him. they threw everything out there saying how it was our fault but the truck was stock untuned. if your paying $7,000 for a trans they better have good customer service! ill never buy anything ats for a dodge. goerend transmissions out of iowa is what im going with. there converter is lifetime warranty and they stand behind it. Ats actually tried to copy there converter but yet are so far off there not worried.

[70 cutlass 442]

pwnd

[forest]

its hit or miss. he actually hates it and i know many others who have had shitty service or bad transs from ats. its his second stg 6 ats built trans in the truck. the first one didnt even work the first mile. It had erratic line pressure and wouldnt go into first gear. then on top of that the customer service SUCKED! he made ats his ***** when they wouldnt even send him a selenoid. when the finally sent one it didnt fix it so after another month of hes not here or he'll call you back he finally got a new trans sent to him. they threw everything out there saying how it was our fault but the truck was stock untuned. if your paying $7,000 for a trans they better have good customer service! ill never buy anything ats for a dodge. goerend transmissions out of iowa is what im going with. there converter is lifetime warranty and they stand behind it. Ats actually tried to copy there converter but yet are so far off there not worried.

wow, good to know, The stuff I bought so far has been good, and taken a whoopin but you never know, this was a ford too. I'll be cautious with them then. I'm sure being a dealer helps with the customer service as well, I have cell #s for the guys there....

[SmokinRAM114]

wow, good to know, The stuff I bought so far has been good, and taken a whoopin but you never know, this was a ford too. I'll be cautious with them then. I'm sure being a dealer helps with the customer service as well, I have cell #s for the guys there....

yea im sure it probly does help alot. the trans does take a BEATING! and has stood up to it. he has a co pilot and does lock up shifts all the time and it hasnt missed a beat. im not saying there trans is shitty its everything that goes along with it after its shipped. LOL i dont know when you started buying from them and if you noticed about 4 months ago ats rewrote their transmission warranty.

[forest]

yea im sure it probly does help alot. the trans does take a BEATING! and has stood up to it. he has a co pilot and does lock up shifts all the time and it hasnt missed a beat. im not saying there trans is shitty its everything that goes along with it after its shipped. LOL i dont know when you started buying from them and if you noticed about 4 months ago ats rewrote their transmission warranty.

3 year/ 150miles is the warranty I got from them on the stuff I sell.

[Flight_740]

150 miles? Thats garbage.

[forest]

haha oops 150000 miles sorry

[70 cutlass 442]

haha oops 150000 miles sorry

does no good unless they offer roadside recovery, and have a certified shop do all the labor for you. for $7K you can get ALOT, and i meant ALOT more then a time bomb waiting to happen. for half the money you can swap a th400 in and actualy have something that will hold power :goof

[forest]

does no good unless they offer roadside recovery, and have a certified shop do all the labor for you. for $7K you can get ALOT, and i meant ALOT more then a time bomb waiting to happen. for half the money you can swap a th400 in and actualy have something that will hold power :goof

haha right? Although, as a shop, they will pay me for my labor if it breaks and I have to eat it. so if any one you know breaks a trans from them , have them call me and I will see if I can get ATS to cover the labor through me. I am an ATS level2 dealer and certified installer for them.

[70 cutlass 442]

ill let him know, as i remember all the issues he had. even with the crazy larry tune it was slipping w/o spray. i imagine that by you being a delaer you have a bit more leverage, but i also know that the companies will fuk delaers over as well.

[forest]

I know, I just hope they continue the good service with me, I have sold a fair bit of stuff for them and its not cheap....

[Breecher_7]

Forest, you get me a price on that transmission yet?

[forest]

Forest, you get me a price on that transmission yet?

coming tonight, I talked to my trans/ diff guy about 3 hours ago, told him what you had, should have a price tonight.

[SmokinRAM114]

ill let him know, as i remember all the issues he had. even with the crazy larry tune it was slipping w/o spray. i imagine that by you being a delaer you have a bit more leverage, but i also know that the companies will fuk delaers over as well.

not slipping sometimes feels like the torque converter is way to slushy

[forest]

bad news, my trans/ gear guy is booked SOLID for 2 months at least, not taking any more work in at all!! good news is, we are working a deal with hipster/ ATD in germantown. turns out we have somthing they want....;) so I may be able to offer you guys decent prices on ATD stuff here re

[forest]

real soon

[Breecher_7]

real soon


And the delays start already!!! :wooo Seriously though, i need to find someone that can do this, do it well, and at a fair price. 2 months may not be "to long" Get a price from him anyways.

[SmokinRAM114]

ATD has some good stuff a buddy and i built a 6.0 psd for a guy, had 100hp injectors, studs, o-ring, banks pda stacked on a custom sct tune. he had hipster do the trans. it was good but the valve body needed more work and a better tc for pulling.

[70 cutlass 442]

ATD has some good stuff a buddy and i built a 6.0 psd for a guy, had 100hp injectors, studs, o-ring, banks pda stacked on a custom sct tune. he had hipster do the trans. it was good but the valve body needed more work and a better tc for pulling.

haha, imagine that. a hipster needing a better valve body :rolf

[70 cutlass 442]

BTW forrest, i was checking out the anderson PMS, can you get thoes? how good are you at tuning one?

[forest]

I can get them, and I'm pretty good at tunning them, very nice unit for a piggyback, there are guys really haulin a$$ on stock pcm with these things. As for the delays on work that I don't personally do, I can't help it much, I'm just trying to help, this guy won't even take an order or give me a price on anything at all, he's crazy booked. I will get a price on an ATD trans for you though, thats all I really have available to me, I don't like to go to a company or person that I don't know, cause when $hit breaks I look bad. So, for gears I go to Undercar Specialists in West Bend and trans I will offer ATD, if I can't count on my reg trans guy, then I need somthing reliable you know? Thanks Forest

BTW, breecher ill have somthing for you soon, I meet with ATD and figure pricing out this week somtime K?

[Irish]

UGH. Just don't ask for the custom GTP polished combustion chamber mod!

[forest]

UGH. Just don't ask for the custom GTP polished combustion chamber mod!

haha right? Big # performance has a better idea. HAHA!! there were all kinds of "special super secret" mods that managment came up with haha.:durr

[Breecher_7]

Whats up with that transmission pricing forest.....

[67-400]

Just got back from West Bend Dyno, excellent job! $70.00 for 2 pulls + a Quarter mile simulation. Wasn't what I hoped for, but again...its just the stock block & crank w/a buncha bolt-ons. Running a bit rich @ WOT according to the A/F readings, I put 280.6HP at 6129 and 282.5TQ at 4224 to the ground. Thanks for the time guys, excellent job!

[Breecher_7]

How ya like those roads out there, lol..... And people think the potholes in milwaukee are bad!!!

[Nix]

Did you even use the camera I borrowed you fugger?!?!!?!? Wheres the damn footage beeeyyyyoooottccchhhh!!!!!!:banana1::rolf

[67-400]

How ya like those roads out there, lol..... And people think the potholes in milwaukee are bad!!!

OMF GOD!! THEY WERE THE PITS!! I was going like 20mph if that in the 55 out on those country roads! And others had the nerve to pass me.. Well, they can go ahead and wreck their POS 87 Chevy Beretta Ztwenty-rust, i'm slowin down. I also had a soccer mom van pass me. :rolf

[67-400]

Did you even use the camera I borrowed you fugger?!?!!?!? Wheres the damn footage beeeyyyyoooottccchhhh!!!!!!:banana1::rolf

I knew this was comin, the guy who was going to video tape it for me couldn't make it.. Long story short, West Bend Dyno said they'd do it with their camera, but I was having so much fun on the 1/4mile simulator & shiat that I totally forgot to ask them about it again til the end. They had offered to run again, but it was all done with & I had to get goin.

[Nix]

Some how this dosen't suprise me one bit young man... :chair:

[Breecher_7]

The 1/4 mile sim is cool. What did it tell you? Next time i put my truck on there im gonna have Forest run the Tow simulator and see exactly how much weight it takes to STOP my truck.

[67-400]

It told me 13.7 @ 104....I wasn't able to rev the motor up. When I did that w/the brakes on, the tires spun & it redlighted me! :rolf So going from a idle, had 13.7 with a bit of slippage on the roller. My powerband is between 4224 & 6200, not starting at 950ish at idle. Once I get my stall converter made, hopefully soon, i'll do better.

[spooln30]

I don't think its a real good idea to do pulls with a car on a angle like that. Engine spinning at higher revs with that angle could starve the oil pump. Plus I heard of a guy who ran on a dyno that was on an angle and blew the motor form oil starvation.

BUT it is nice to see another dyno in Wis.

Later
Keith

[Breecher_7]

I don't think its a real good idea to do pulls with a car on a angle like that. Engine spinning at higher revs with that angle could starve the oil pump. Plus I heard of a guy who ran on a dyno that was on an angle and blew the motor form oil starvation.

BUT it is nice to see another dyno in Wis.

Later
Keith

This was actually a concern of mine. I kept a very close eye on the oil pressure. I am still not sold on the way thats set up. I think it woudl be better if it were level.

[spooln30]

All they would have to do is build platforums off the dyno that are level and use the ramps on the end of those.

[SmokinRAM114]

i see dyno runs like that all the time. i never thaught of that and can see where it is a concern.

[forest]

I thought of that too, if you notice, the angle isn't really bad at all, your gonna have to be low on oil to starve it and that means you got other problems anyways... but I will be keeping a CLOSE eye on ANY cars that are on there and if I come across the problem even ONCE I will proceed to devise way to level the car. I will also find the exact degree angle of the ramps and look into it further. perfectly flat would be preferable no doubt.

[pOrk]

You gonna put a fan in the front of there or is this for RWD vehicles only? Is there a fan in the front, or do you not plan on tuning stuff during the summer? Also, those tie downs got any close up shots? I think I want a few pair of those for my trailer.

[forest]

um, yeah we got nice big fans, and yeah, well tune this summer. RWD or FWD