~ Mega Squirt ~

[awsomeears]

Thinking about getting it for my 2.0 neon :thumbsup there is a kit out there specifically for the 420a and a nice harness. It can be a full standalone for under $500 :stare

Allot of neon guys are running it and love it, putting down some impressive #'s also.

Anyone else hear of it ?

http://www.rs-autosport.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9&products_id=250

[oneslowcamino]

I know that Mega Squirt is what the Starion/Conquest guys use when they convert to MPI. I have heard good thing about their products.

[sloLs1]

yes i have used it befor... works great!

[rally_scort]

very popular with the older obd1 ford cars.Ive never heard anything bad about it yet :D

[hotshift13]

I have the newer version in my Datsun. It takes time to work out the bus and get it tuned, but I love it!!

[DurtyKurty]

I've had/have two. Get it. You won't be disappointed. Very forced induction friendly. Speed density FTW!

[lasttimearound]

ill be rawkin it on my datsun as well. check out diyautotune.com they have some great prices on sh*t too.

[whitehatch]

i know a few people who ran it on escorts back in the day, worked out really well. you cant beat it for the price.

[70 cutlass 442]

im between that and or a blow thru

[DurtyKurty]

I HATE MAF meters... but I understand that you cant avoid them sometimes.

SD is my first choice, but otherwise draw through has been very good to me to.

Any particular reason you like blowthru?

[Brandon W.]

there is a reason we make fun of the Maegasquirt N/T DSM guys ;)

i wouldnt use it..i would rather spend the extra $$ to get an AEM setup

[70 cutlass 442]

there is a reason we make fun of the Maegasquirt N/T DSM guys ;)

i wouldnt use it..i would rather spend the extra $$ to get an AEM setup

thers also a reason that DSMs struggle to keep sh!t togeather long before they are even in the 12s!!! AEM is decent, but pretty sure its not speed density from what i remember. not to mention you have control over literaly EVERYTHING with MS, at much less then half the price!

[HY35F2T]

there is a reason we make fun of the Maegasquirt N/T DSM guys ;)

i wouldnt use it..i would rather spend the extra $$ to get an AEM setup

Have u used it?I know a couple ppl that have and 1 memeber on here to that has it on his boosted stang.Ive heard more bad shit about the aem then megasquirt.

[whitehatch]

there is a reason we make fun of the Maegasquirt N/T DSM guys ;)

i wouldnt use it..i would rather spend the extra $$ to get an AEM setup


another mis-informed guy talking out of his ass. i know plenty of people that have aem and had nothing but problems if your going to waste that much money you should just get a haltech setup.

[MurphysLaw88GT]

another mis-informed guy talking out of his ass. i know plenty of people that have aem and had nothing but problems if your going to waste that much money you should just get a haltech setup.

Wow...that is funny

[70 cutlass 442]

Wow...that is funny

and very true

[Brandon W.]

wow..because of the MegaSquirt incedents ive seen..solder run, literally saw a box start on fire. so i post that i wouldnt use it..and i get flamed...get bent. kiss my ass

[DurtyKurty]

wow..because of the MegaSquirt incedents ive seen..solder run, literally saw a box start on fire. so i post that i wouldnt use it..and i get flamed...get bent. kiss my ass

Obviously, this was the horrible design of the MS, and not a thing to do with the person who assembled and installed it. It is all so clear now. I mean fire! WOW! Who allowed these to be unleashed on society? It must have been the Republicans! errr.... I mean the Democates!.... no wait... The Rebpulicans!!!!!! .....no no....mmm. AL GORE! YES! I NEED MORE CARBON CREDITS!

[70 cutlass 442]

wow..because of the MegaSquirt incedents ive seen..solder run, literally saw a box start on fire. so i post that i wouldnt use it..and i get flamed...get bent. kiss my ass

Because 99% of DSM owners are a credable source.................

[Brandon W.]

Because 99% of DSM owners are a credable source.................

to be honest.. Majority of DSM owners are very smart. typical self centered closed minded idiot..its ok.:chair::chair::punch::punch::loser:loser:loser

[70 cutlass 442]

http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=e7a9d46e8b22093e61419297f0d3a0 f7&board=11.0

reas up on there, youll see that guys running deep into the single digits love it.

sorry Brandy, i just cant stand DSMs and most of their owners- but its just my opinion

[70 cutlass 442]

to be honest.. Majority of DSM owners are very smart. typical self centered closed minded idiot..its ok.:chair::chair::punch::punch::loser:loser:loser

if they were so smart they wouldnt be building DSMs :banana1:

[Brandon W.]

http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=e7a9d46e8b22093e61419297f0d3a0 f7&board=11.0

reas up on there, youll see that guys running deep into the single digits love it.

sorry Brandy, i just cant stand DSMs and most of their owners- but its just my opinion

whatever..i wouldnt use it..and i dont care if you hate DSM's..but dont sit here and act like an ass too me.

[TURTLE]

the nice thing about the neon kit is you can get it PROFESSIONALLY ASSEMBLED!!!! no soldering needed...

i'll be getting one when i decide to turbo my car... when i have a car... i know quite a few REALLY fast neon owners(yes, i know a fast neon is a laughing matter) that use the system and swear by it until they can afford the $3k price tag on the AEM unit... $500 standalone FTMFW!

[sloLs1]

the nice thing about the neon kit is you can get it PROFESSIONALLY ASSEMBLED!!!! no soldering needed...

i'll be getting one when i decide to turbo my car... when i have a car... i know quite a few REALLY fast neon owners(yes, i know a fast neon is a laughing matter) that use the system and swear by it until they can afford the $3k price tag on the AEM unit... $500 standalone FTMFW!

I like it... its cheap and works good...

as with any EMS you need to have it setup correctly and tuned correctly. There are a lot of people out there that shouldnt even try to tune or setup any one of these EMS's. Everyone always hears the bad side of every system, because its usually the operaters OWN FVCKIN ERROR!:punch::punch::punch:

why pay 3times as much for a AEM setup when you can get a system that works just as good for a 1/3 of the price....

[DurtyKurty]

wow..because of the MegaSquirt incedents ive seen..solder run, literally saw a box start on fire. so i post that i wouldnt use it..and i get flamed...get bent. kiss my ass

LOL!!!! It's not your opinion that's crap, it's your LOGIC!

"[I] literally saw a box start on fire." So it must be junk? I saw a Chevy on fire once. Does it mean the Chevy's are junk?

I mean, if you said you didn't like its interface or software or something, that's fine, that's tangible.... that is an opinon. Get a clue dude.

[awsomeears]

For those that have or have used Mega Squirt are there any local Dyno / speed shops that are familiar with it.

I can get a base tune map that will most likely run rich and a decent idle but I would rather jump on a dyno and hash out the spec's with a decent AF ratio, Id rather run a bit on the rich side then mean and lean..................

[70 cutlass 442]

For those that have or have used Mega Squirt are there any local Dyno / speed shops that are familiar with it.

I can get a base tune map that will most likely run rich and a decent idle but I would rather jump on a dyno and hash out the spec's with a decent AF ratio, Id rather run a bit on the rich side then mean and lean..................

would like to know the same thing if i went this route, from what i remember there were a few shops in northern IL that have played with it but never looked into it further.

[HY35F2T]

place in greenbay few boosted v6 probes are getting there shit tunned there when it gets done.

[awsomeears]

place in greenbay few boosted v6 probes are getting there shit tunned there when it gets done.

Are you talking about beyond racing ?

Buddy of mine lives up there and recommends the place :thumbsup

[TopStreetDsm]

I used to use the MegaSquirt (MS II) on a turbo mud truck I had. The thing took some getting used to, but in the end worked very nicely. The two biggest things to consider with MS:

-Someone hand assembles every box. Meaning, there is no underlying company to watch quality control. It started out as a couple of computer geeks that were showing you what... and where you needed to get components to MAKE IT YOURSELF. I bought the one I have been using on ebay, preassembled, and have had good luck.

-The second is that the software support is not there like it could be, and is with most other stanealone manufactures.

Where AEM and Haltech did a good job over Electimotive, MegaSquirt, Motech, ect... Is they spend a ton of time and effort making them user friendly. At this point, the amount of people who actually know what they are doing with an AEM (for example) is overwhelming.

Jake H

[Bee]

to be honest.. Majority of DSM owners are very smart. typical self centered closed minded idiot..its ok.:chair::chair::punch::punch::loser:loser:loser


:wow :)

[Bee]

seen and dealt with ms on our dyno ........... not at all user friendly although not hard to get used to either. heard there were DYI MS kits....these kits are probably the ones that got burnt up due to human/customer error where soldering and little nick/nacks are envolved. MS works, but is there anyone in the area that have perfected it in every aspect.... i'd have to say "NO" for now until I see it in use on a true daily driven decent powered car.

if you get your car MSed and running...can shops around the area tune it? yes if they have experience with standalone ems and if you can make connection to MS via laptop. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

[TopStreetDsm]

until I see it in use on a true daily driven decent powered car.


www.MSEFI.com

Tell those guys what you think about it working or not working on a daily driven car. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

shameless self-promotion....

Back on topic:

The only thing that you have to get used to, is that you're batch firing injectors, and the software.

-The software (like anything else) takes getting used to.

-Fuel will be sitting at the back of the valves on alternate strokes.

Neither of these things should be real reasons why it couldn't be used on a daily driver or on a 1000+ hp car. Many EFI setups batch fire injectors and there are SEVERAL examples of high hp cars with fuel at the back of the valve before the intake stroke. Just as an example... Ohh I don't know... Every carburated engine ever.

Personally, I would like to see the software develop further. Then this could be a killer standalone.

2 cents..

[whitehatch]

but is there anyone in the area that have perfected it in every aspect.... i'd have to say "NO" for now until I see it in use on a true daily driven decent powered car.

top street if your going to try and turn this into a ***** match, go ahead, but i think you may have misunderstoood what he was trying to say.

[TopStreetDsm]

I think you are just taking it to negitively.

Just because I disagree, does not make my intention negitive. Take it how you will though.

[TURTLE]

i know of a 300whp neon on e85... in the area... on MS...

[awsomeears]

i know of a 300whp neon on e85... in the area... on MS...

Stock motor to from what I have read, I think he finally popped it but thats very impressive :thumbsup

[TopStreetDsm]

I like Alcoholic engines! :alcoholic :3gears: :thumbsup

[Bee]

www.MSEFI.com

Tell those guys what you think about it working or not working on a daily driven car. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

shameless self-promotion....

Back on topic:

The only thing that you have to get used to, is that you're batch firing injectors, and the software.

-The software (like anything else) takes getting used to.

-Fuel will be sitting at the back of the valves on alternate strokes.

Neither of these things should be real reasons why it couldn't be used on a daily driver or on a 1000+ hp car. Many EFI setups batch fire injectors and there are SEVERAL examples of high hp cars with fuel at the back of the valve before the intake stroke. Just as an example... Ohh I don't know... Every carburated engine ever.

Personally, I would like to see the software develop further. Then this could be a killer standalone.



2 cents..


LOL haha SLMAO funny people

[Bee]

i know of a 300whp neon on e85... in the area... on MS...



rock on:thumbsup

[Bee]

I think you are just taking it to negitively.

Just because I disagree, does not make my intention negitive. Take it how you will though.

amen slmao

[Bee]

top street if your going to try and turn this into a ***** match, go ahead, but i think you may have misunderstoood what he was trying to say.



hey dude, let mr. knowitall comment whatever he wants... personally i don't care............ sorry guys i would love to stay in here and read all the BS, but i'm a very busy shop owner and have much better things to do then read all the BS in here. Just my personal experience with MS...talk what you want...BS what you want just remember mr. bee will just LOL@you:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf:rolf

[BeesTwinEG]

I think you are just taking it to negitively.

Just because I disagree, does not make my intention negitive. Take it how you will though.


Jake shut the fuk up. done deal. YOu dont tune shit.

[UnderPSI]

Yikes! Someone trys to help out and you get "attack of the killer Bee assclowns".

[BeesTwinEG]

Seriously, in state of wisconsin.. Who is really Certified for tuning AEM, Haltech, Hondata, Electromotive and etc ??? Top street hellno... I know kingmotors is certified in hondata and such. Far as Beeyond(WE) We are certified to tune aem, haltech, hondata, apexi...chrome and uberdata etc. and this is not Self-Advertisement. I heard about Beeyond redline but I don't know if they have certified tuners or not. So Jake just shut up and read the thread and dont start making some startass replys....................:chair:
back to the MS. I know couple guys using Megasquirt on GST making some decent power :headbang

[BeesTwinEG]

Seriously, in state of wisconsin.. Who is really Certified for tuning AEM, Haltech, Hondata, Electromotive and etc ??? Top street hellno... I know kingmotors is certified in hondata and such. Far as Beeyond(WE) We are certified to tune aem, haltech, hondata, apexi...chrome and uberdata etc. and this is not Self-Advertisement. I heard about Beeyond redline but I don't know if they have certified tuners or not. So Jake just shut up and read the thread and dont start making some smartass replys....................:chair:
back to the MS. I know couple guys using Megasquirt on GST making some decent power :headbang

[TURTLE]

Stock motor to from what I have read, I think he finally popped it but thats very impressive :thumbsup

it didn't pop, the MS ran into something in his coding, and he thought he popped the motor... nothing wrong on the bottom end, but he built a motor, just to be safe... i'm getting his old one ;) for a "science experiment" :wow:durr

[TURTLE]

Seriously, in state of wisconsin.. Who is really Certified for tuning AEM, Haltech, Hondata, Electromotive and etc ??? Top street hellno... I know kingmotors is certified in hondata and such. Far as Beeyond(WE) We are certified to tune aem, haltech, hondata, apexi...chrome and uberdata etc. and this is not Self-Advertisement. I heard about Beeyond redline but I don't know if they have certified tuners or not. So Jake just shut up and read the thread and dont start making some startass replys....................:chair:
back to the MS. I know couple guys using Megasquirt on GST making some decent power :headbang

for the record, Luke at Beyond Redline is an AEM GOLD certified tuner...

so it's not just EMS certified, but pretty much anything to tune your car that AEM makes, he's certified to put on/tune... good guy too... :headbang

[twicks69]

for the record, Luke at Beyond Redline is an AEM GOLD certified tuner...

so it's not just EMS certified, but pretty much anything to tune your car that AEM makes, he's certified to put on/tune... good guy too... :headbang

Agreed with and confirmed.

As for the rest of the flaming going on in this thread; you guys really need to tone it down == Reading Jake's post, it doesn't sound like he is being rude or mean in any way, and it does not warrant you guys to start some lame ass E-fight over another person who was giving their input on the MegaSquirt ECU.

Jake ran it in his turbo'd 22RE toyota 4-runner with good results.

[70 cutlass 442]

Agreed with and confirmed.

As for the rest of the flaming going on in this thread; you guys really need to tone it down == Reading Jake's post, it doesn't sound like he is being rude or mean in any way, and it does not warrant you guys to start some lame ass E-fight over another person who was giving their input on the MegaSquirt ECU.

Jake ran it in his turbo'd 22RE toyota 4-runner with good results.

exactly, no need to flame the one guy in this thread who actually ran MS with good results. some of you beeyond guys need to stop being tools, its not the best advertisement if you ask me.

[HY35F2T]

megasquirt sucks **** lmao.

[Bee]

omg.... ok this thread needs to be closed!!!

i wonder who started the negative crap talking...:thumbsup :)

[HY35F2T]

**** mega squirt all you need is a ls1 and a slp lid and your in the 7's,so yeah **** megasquirt blah blah blah blah.:alcoholic

[TopStreetDsm]

Jake shut the fuk up. done deal. YOu dont tune shit.

Dude you're funny... You are talking to a guy who has made more horse power to the tires with one car then 4 or 5 of anything you could hack together. Thats 960awhp to be exact. :rolleyes: :rolf :flipoff2: :rolf :rolleyes:

Its idiots like this that make trying to enjoy the sport a headache. What ever helps you jerk-off dude! :loser

[HY35F2T]

:rolf:rolf:rolf

[Flicktitty]

Seriously, in state of wisconsin.. Who is really Certified for tuning AEM, Haltech, Hondata, Electromotive and etc ??? Top street hellno... I know kingmotors is certified in hondata and such. Far as Beeyond(WE) We are certified to tune aem, haltech, hondata, apexi...chrome and uberdata etc. and this is not Self-Advertisement. I heard about Beeyond redline but I don't know if they have certified tuners or not. So Jake just shut up and read the thread and dont start making some startass replys....................:chair:
back to the MS. I know couple guys using Megasquirt on GST making some decent power :headbang

IMO I would rather have someone that ISN'T Certified and knows how to tune a car then someone who sat in a classroom for a few hours 1 weekend And got a peice of paper saying that they can tune this and that. I got a friend who wasen't certified to tune AEM But he had my buddies MKIV Supra Running Just as good as What Sound Performance got his car to do. It's like all the cockboy fags at UTI You pay little to no attention at all you graduate but when it comes to doing it they don't know shit. I could give 2 shits if Jake isn't certified he odviously is doing something right. His car goes what 9.50's? with all his own shit? Last time i checked not much of that was off the shelf buy it here or copy this companies manifold. He knows his shit. +1 for Jake.

[cool_kat]

^^ well put flick

[BeesTwinEG]

Dude you're funny... You are talking to a guy who has made more horse power to the tires with one car then 4 or 5 of anything you could hack together. Thats 960awhp to be exact. :rolleyes: :rolf :flipoff2: :rolf :rolleyes:

Its idiots like this that make trying to enjoy the sport a headache. What ever helps you jerk-off dude! :loser

You wish :thumbsup :-D Im just gonna start laughing at you now :banana1: :goof

BTW- Flick One question to you, Would you rather get your boosted car tune by unprofessional guy than a certified and have been in bussiness for years?
I see your point of view, but from my prospective.. I rather go to a bussiness have all the certification and have been doing it for a longtime. :thumbsup
its like, when you go into the hood.. You see a same exact shoe for 30 bucks and at footlocker for 65 dollars. What would you pick? I'm pretty sure you would pick 65dollar one. Because footlocker have big repuation.

That is all im trying to say.

srry for hijacking but I say +1 MS.

[HY35F2T]

IMO I would rather have someone that ISN'T Certified and knows how to tune a car then someone who sat in a classroom for a few hours 1 weekend And got a peice of paper saying that they can tune this and that. I got a friend who wasen't certified to tune AEM But he had my buddies MKIV Supra Running Just as good as What Sound Performance got his car to do. It's like all the cockboy fags at UTI You pay little to no attention at all you graduate but when it comes to doing it they don't know shit. I could give 2 shits if Jake isn't certified he odviously is doing something right. His car goes what 9.50's? with all his own shit? Last time i checked not much of that was off the shelf buy it here or copy this companies manifold. He knows his shit. +1 for Jake.

lol wow you say that and dude comes back with some shoes from the hood wtf lmfao

[twicks69]

You wish :thumbsup :-D Im just gonna start laughing at you now :banana1: :goof

BTW- Flick One question to you, Would you rather get your boosted car tune by unprofessional guy than a certified and have been in bussiness for years?
I see your point of view, but from my prospective.. I rather go to a bussiness have all the certification and have been doing it for a longtime. :thumbsup
its like, when you go into the hood.. You see a same exact shoe for 30 bucks and at footlocker for 65 dollars. What would you pick? I'm pretty sure you would pick 65dollar one. Because footlocker have big repuation.

That is all im trying to say.

srry for hijacking but I say +1 MS.


Wow...wtf...seriously.

I personally am for a person's proven accomplishment over some stupid piece of paper saying he passed a written test, or was able to setup a simple boost comp map.

I deal with the people who KNOW what they are doing rather than the ones that continually have to come on here and TELL everyone what they can do.


BeesTwinEG, I don't know if you work for Bee, or you are just a friend or family member, but you seriously are NOT helping his business reputation with ANY of your posts. Who cares what people say on here; WE are NOT in competition with BEE's shop. If anything, you are swaying people away from his shop because of your very poor remarks on this forum.

Bee, I hope that you continue to gain knowledge of as many tuning platforms out there, as it is only better for your business; Good luck! :thumbsup

[BeesTwinEG]

Tim and Jake I wish you didn't have to bring up BUSINESSES---OMG you just opened the can of worms. let me ask you this, Who's bussiness still stand? Let me ask you that right now. Is Bee's bussiness expanding every year? Yes, it is so. What happened to all other race/performance shops? :wooo this is to you Jake. If you think, Bee's not getting your bussiness, does not mean he won't survive. The bussiness gets busy by the day and if you don't believe it ask beagle-he seen it. :chair: and Tim all you need to do is not read the post that is all. If you don't like it, Oh well cry me a river buddy :headbang. I heard your buddies at beyond redline sh1t talk about bee's shop, but that's ok because bee's humble and he lets sh1t just sly-by(guys that had their cars tuned there came to bee to retune and yes they were happy-these are my informers fyi). So my suggestion is, Shut the **** up and read the post that is all. :thumbsup and Don't be so naive bring up cr@p that don't need to be spoken of. :wow

[Flicktitty]

You wish :thumbsup :-D Im just gonna start laughing at you now :banana1: :goof

BTW- Flick One question to you, Would you rather get your boosted car tune by unprofessional guy than a certified and have been in bussiness for years?
I see your point of view, but from my prospective.. I rather go to a bussiness have all the certification and have been doing it for a longtime. :thumbsup
its like, when you go into the hood.. You see a same exact shoe for 30 bucks and at footlocker for 65 dollars. What would you pick? I'm pretty sure you would pick 65dollar one. Because footlocker have big repuation.

That is all im trying to say.

srry for hijacking but I say +1 MS.

It really all depends. I have heard of some shops (nationally) that have been open for years and when it comes to tuning they don't know shit. I am still sticking to my guns on my opinion of going to someone who knows what there doing. Not saying you guys don't do good work cause i have seen some of the stuff that you guys crank out and it is very fast. Oh, and about shoes i'd get them from the hood. $65 is too much to spend on shoes.


OH and i personally think enough bashing has been done.

ALL OF YOU know what the hell your doing and you all have built stupid fast cars.

Simon - You have what a 10 second Civic Coupe.
Bee - God knows how fast your civic/integra/etc... goes
Tim - 9.9 AWD Eclipse
Jake - 9.5 AWD Talon

[Bee]

Wow...wtf...seriously.

I personally am for a person's proven accomplishment over some stupid piece of paper saying he passed a written test, or was able to setup a simple boost comp map.

I deal with the people who KNOW what they are doing rather than the ones that continually have to come on here and TELL everyone what they can do.


BeesTwinEG, I don't know if you work for Bee, or you are just a friend or family member, but you seriously are NOT helping his business reputation with ANY of your posts. Who cares what people say on here; WE are NOT in competition with BEE's shop. If anything, you are swaying people away from his shop because of your very poor remarks on this forum.

Bee, I hope that you continue to gain knowledge of as many tuning platforms out there, as it is only better for your business; Good luck! :thumbsup


hey tim, i sincerely hope this cr@p talking stops. there are kids in here(no names) that never cease to talk sh1t. personally i don't really care for sh1t talking anymore as i'm very busy at my business and hardly have time to even read the BS's..... beestwineg is a friend of mine and he can't stand when there is crap talking especially towards the shop or myself(of course i wouldn't like it when people do the same to him), so let him deal with his own business of talking this and that. i say if you can't stand someone PM him and stop BSing in here....this goes out to everyone including beestwineg. stop the insanity already:):):):):):):)


close this thread close this thread..........................it's getting no where

[Bee]

:thumbsup
It really all depends. I have heard of some shops (nationally) that have been open for years and when it comes to tuning they don't know shit. I am still sticking to my guns on my opinion of going to someone who knows what there doing. Not saying you guys don't do good work cause i have seen some of the stuff that you guys crank out and it is very fast. Oh, and about shoes i'd get them from the hood. $65 is too much to spend on shoes.


OH and i personally think enough bashing has been done.

ALL OF YOU know what the hell your doing and you all have built stupid fast cars.

Simon - You have what a 10 second Civic Coupe.
Bee - God knows how fast your civic/integra/etc... goes
Tim - 9.9 AWD Eclipse
Jake - 9.5 AWD Talon


yes i agree... please guys no more bashing.

but flick, i really hope you get your car/truck running good where ever you go....good luck to your decisions.:thumbsup

btw my car is slow don't post up my times especially because it's only a FWD.

[Want_Notch]

I would go to the shop that can use proper grammatically correct English.

Not ripping on anyone.

If someone presents themselves to the world like a hood rat rather than a normal human being I don't care how good they are. I'll take my stuff somewhere else.

[70 cutlass 442]

I would go to the shop that can use proper grammatically correct English.

Not ripping on anyone.

If someone presents themselves to the world like a hood rat rather than a normal human being I don't care how good they are. I'll take my stuff somewhere else.

[Flicktitty]

:thumbsup


yes i agree... please guys no more bashing.

but flick, i really hope you get your car/truck running good where ever you go....good luck to your decisions.:thumbsup

btw my car is slow don't post up my times especially because it's only a FWD.

I didn't post what you car runs? Simply because i don't know.

Thanks on having my back on where i take it. Depeneding on what i do i have some friends from some major chicago shops.

[TopStreetDsm]

I have a few things to say about it.

-You guys can guess all you want, but BELIEVE ME... You have no idea why I closed my shop. I left not owing money to anyone or having loose ends. I have been living for nearly 2 years now on the money I had saved up. So please... Don't assume you know about my life.

-BTW... Read back into the post and see who brought up "business" in the first place.

-Seriously though... I am not trying to further any problems but instead I am genuinely curious. Why do you guys have such a problem with me anyways? I could get into a pissing match all day long. (Just being honest) Most of you don't have the intelligence to keep up in a battle of whits. (FOR EXAMPLE... The Ghetto shoes?) I get what you were attempting to say, but it was easier to laugh then to be annoyed.

-So is it because I was successful with my car time and time again? Is it because during the 4+ years I was in business I did well?

Bee- I am just being honest here... I used to respect you. It doesn't matter if you care or not. My point is, that the manner that you and your group of nut-swingers conduct yourselves is laughable. I thought it was because I owned another shop before hand, but at this point it is clear you are just desperate for drama.

You guys can go ahead and flame me and anyone who sticks up for me all you want. It is not going to change what I have accomplished. It is not going to hurt my feelings or make me said. It just makes an UNNEEDED tension at the track, on the strip, and on the forum. So here is the deal. Any of you guys really, genuinely, have an issue that you would like to tell me about... PM me and I will do what I can to resolve it. Otherwise, just back off. I haven't been on this board for months and I come on and get flamed right away by someone I have never personally met.

Do what ever you will with this. I bet I get hardly any PMs (trying to resolve a conflict) but a ton of pointless flaming instead. Ohhh well.

[TopStreetDsm]

What happened to all other race/performance shops? :wooo this is to you Jake.

If you really want to know and your not trying to just be a prick then send me a PM. I figure if you can bash me before knowing anything about me, why not fill you in.

Go ahead... Seriously.

[LIZMO]

can't we all just get along?

[70 cutlass 442]

If you really want to know and your not trying to just be a prick then send me a PM. I figure if you can bash me before knowing anything about me, why not fill you in.

Go ahead... Seriously.

can i hear the story? just kinda cerious.

[HY35F2T]

i think its funny how the nut swinger is talking like he owns the shop.LMAO

[TopStreetDsm]

There were as many good things as bad things.

Where I started: I started in a $600/mth paint both behind an auto repair shop. I had about $6k Saved from a plastic injection mold company I was working at. I began March 1st when I was 18. I took the $6,000 I had and I bought a tig welder, a cheap sand blaster and powder coating system. I also bought a box of mild steel 90deg bends of different sizes. I was driving a 87 MKIII Supra I had since I was 17. This was nothing more than a 60-1 in stock housing, a blitz SS air filter, a 3" crush bent exhaust from mufflers for less, and a 2G eclipse IC with some rigged piping. I mention this because its nothing special. These things were all I had going for me at the time.

With a few good friends spreading the word and a willingness to work hard, I did what I could. There was a point I was welding blades on snow throwers or powder coating license plate brackets to pay my shop rent. With in about 6 months I was bringing in enough money to pay my bills in the first week and the rest of the month go out. Whether it was street racing, hanging out on hwy 100, driving to HIN or whatever... That was what I was doing, and I loved it.

I totaled the supra one night when I was out with a few friends looking for a quite place that we could race, with out the cops coming every 5 mins. Anyways a cat ran out in front of me and I swerved (yeah I know... HIT THE CAT... I hear it from everyone) and went head on into a tree at 45mph. I only had a 2 bay area for cars and business so I had to keep it in a garage space and I parted it out. That is the money that payed for the Talon I have now. I was skateboarding to the shop at this point because I couldn't find the right replacement. Anyways, I bought the car and some parts for it with the supra money. This was my first setup that I was hitting low 12s with on 15psi. I ended up pissing off my landlord because of the supra taking up room and me having customer cars across the street, because I was out of room. Long story short, it was time to leave. I had enough cash coming in that I decided if I could spend 2-3K extra than my bills every month, that I could afford my own place. So I started buying cool parts for the Talon. This is what I ran KOTH with a 11s flat street machine.

I decided I had enough money coming in to make a jump. The only place that was really able to suit my needs and was available, got bought by new owners the day before I was signing the lease. So I had to go to a bigger shop with higher everything. This was the shop in butler. I felt like I was on top of the world at this point. People all over the place excited to see what new I was doing. REALLY COOL CARS... Custom turbo setups on Lexus IS300, 78 Datsun 510 Road Race car w/ a FJ20 T in it, Twin Turbo old school V8, Vielside setup MKIV Supras, 10.0s GVR4, and then the everyday 500hp customers too. It was great...

It also got ahead of me. I was the one constant in all of this. There were no partners, or sponsors, or whatever. It was all me. When it was sweeping floors, welding, answering the phone, dealing with the mail, gathering new business, designing manifolds for production... It was all me. I tried passing some of these skills on to some of the employees I had at the time. There own personal cockyness made them believe that they could do better. So they made a plan and bashed mine. (even while they were working for my). They then became upset when I had to fire them for conflict of interest.

At this point things were good and shakey at the same time. The bills where huge, and the unexpected ones were greater. It was had to focus on work with the new found drama that had started. Blah blah... I could list probably 50 reasons or better. This is where my father wanted to joint the company and try and get some of the paperwork side of things figured out. It was also a reason for him to invest some cash as I was getting behind at this point. After talking to each other and seeing my friends turning their backs or becoming upset... We decided it was time for a change. Instead of going after $100 spring installations, we were going to go after the $10K+ jobs and internet sales. So we began slowing down the cars coming in for the everyday stuff and focused on the stuff I was really good at. We also got set up with a company and purchased a mandrel bender. This was going to be used for all of the 2.5" IC piping and 3" exhaust. I purchased over $11k in electro polished SS, set the machine up, canceled jobs and focused on the training involved. I will wrap this with a bow. The bender was not capable of bending 3" SS without crimping it, I had 4 full time employees getting paid, and tubing inventory getting used and thrown on the scrap pile, and I had NO cars coming in. The was roughly a $28,000 loss, and a bunch of ticked off customers.

I had parts cars and other projects that I was working on (including the talon) and didn't have any money to buy the parts to work on them. I was asking employees to hold checks until customers checks cleared. It was a rough start. I ended up working by myself again. I fired everyone I had working for me because I couldn't afford them anymore and I was not making any money from them. Just as and example, I came out from my office and found one guy sleeping under a car on the creeper, and the others were out back smoking. At this point I was loosing money fast. Also my girlfriend of over 5 years cheated on me and then left.

So things were rough to say the least. I put my head in the right spot and said I was going to make something work. I landed quite a bit of good work at that point. I was on my own and happy then I hired one other guy to help, thinking he would be a good addition to the image and work ethic of the place. I later had to have him arrested for selling inventory on ebay.

By the end: I had less money coming in every month. I had some pretty cool equipment that I couldn't use for much. And I had put my new setup together on the Talon. With in 6 months of this I closed the doors. I owed one person (a student who couldn't get down to me in time) a wastegate dump tube. I made sure everything else that I had any control over was satisfied. I got a storage unit and shoved anything that I could in there. I had a one car garage in butler that I had my Talon squeezed into with rubbermade bins (floor to ceiling) on three walls.

A few people knew how to get ahold of me and I was doing side jobs out in the driveway or a duplex in butler. Talk about a change. Even when I wasn't making much, if any, money people were treating me like crap. I told the last few people: " I was offering a service... Not a servant!". It didn't matter really though, because this is when I got the car back down to the track and it wasn't business anymore. I was talking with people and just walking away after. I didn't need to give them a card of whatnot. A hand shake was good enough.

I have been selling equipment, cars, truck stuff, tools, ect.... for the last year and a half now. I have been working on getting some turbo manifolds on the market. I put one on my car and had a special turbo mod done, and went out for some tuning. The street tuning I with my Maths section in my data logger can tell you wheel hp and trq very accurately if it is setup on a dyno. This is what I did, and it was showing over 960awhp and over 700trq on 42 psi. I was at 781fwdhp before on 45 psi. I took it to the track and slipped the clutch too hard. Second pass 2 Solid lifters loosened and caused the inconel valves to crash the pistons. Motor, and turbo were done. Since I didn't have the money now to fix it, I started parting it out. I am only leaving to parts I need to fab a rwd solid axle setup in there.

I have worked a few jobs in there, since the closing, and I have started a few projects. I have been battling the idea that people could be your friend everyday with their hands out, and disappear when you need help. I just was raised in a different way. I didn't think other people treated each other like that. If you heard some of the stories and the names of these people.... You would be amazed.

As a conclusion: I have just been trying to get something to stick. I know that I know what I am doing. I am trying to start a family and have a house. I have much thicker skin then any of these kids can puncture. It didn't used to be that way, but I am just not interested in helping everyone any more. My priorities have changed. But I am not Defeated. I am kicking off an internet company at this point, and that should be able to pay for the insane new setup in the talon and some killer off-road muddin with my truck. That is what matters to me, not an opinion of me. But on the same point. I am willing to trying and figure out what is really going on if someone is upset for what ever reason. I cant claim to always be perfect and if an apology is needed, I would give it.

This totally wasn't the thread for this.... So sorry and pm if you want my opinion.

-Jake Hanhardt-

[TURTLE]

There were as many good things as bad things.

Where I started: (edit for length)

This totally wasn't the thread for this.... So sorry and pm if you want my opinion.

-Jake Hanhardt-

i never knew the whole backstory, but i did get into your shop in butler for some things and to get some questions answered on turbo'ing my neon at one point.

from what i know you're a stand up guy, and i wish you the best of luck in your future endevours!:thumbsup

[70 cutlass 442]

so moral of the story is that if you had all the good sack hair swingers like bee does then youd be better off?

[mitsmattalution]

I know it has been a while since this thread has been replied to but after Jake's touching story I feel I have to speak out. I will be starting a nice thread on Jake and his "worksmanship" in a couple days so be on the lookout for it.

[GTSLOW]

^^ :wtf :stare

[That_Guy]

i heard they work great for neons but they are an epic fail for for base model cobalts.. " you lose all your dash functions...