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Prince Valiant
09-08-2003, 12:00 PM
Here's a bad a$$ video....I love the blower whine.

03 Cobra w/ bolt-ons vs. Stock O3 E55 AMG (http://69.57.157.70/03cobravsE55.wmv) :wow :wow :wow

Flight_740
09-09-2003, 12:26 PM
Cobra got owned by that benzy.

Milw96Cobra
09-09-2003, 01:34 PM
Watching the vid right now....

paused right after the dyno on the 03 cobra....

452rwhp isnt much for those mods.... someone needs to tune that diablo chip MUCH better. There are Cobras making 500rwhp with the same mods.


Bone stock E55 huh? Where's the open hood engine shot... and not just an internet jpeg... hmmm...


Now watching the launches on round 2

Hmmm, Cobra driver cant drive for ****, looks like he spun a good second before he even moved 5 feet.


Now taking things into comparison

Cobra :
4.6L DOHC V8 Supercharged
390hp 390Tq.... modded to 452rwhp
Weight - 3780lbs
.119 HP/Weight ratio

E55 AMG : (Stock)

5.4L V8 Supercharged
469hp 516tq.... assuming 12% drivetrain loss, it would put down 413whp
Weight - 3857lbs
.121 HP/Weight ratio

So as you can see here... it looks to be a very even match.... and would only come down to whose the better driver. And obviously, the AMG driver was better, considering the Cobra choked on the launches.... which therefore results in the Cobra losing.

BAD LS1
09-09-2003, 02:04 PM
But see you can buy the AMG right off the showroom floor and will pounce on the modded Cobra granted the launch problems are a factor. However the German engineering and technology prevails. It appears most of the launches were fairly even pulled and the Benz really put it on the Cobra up top it looks. I wish i had boxes of money in my basment to have one of those as a toy and street race it :rockwoot:

Prince valiant has gotta be proud of that bad boy considering the fact Benz is a Chrysler product :D

Tom B

Yooformula
09-09-2003, 02:27 PM
F@rk that is sweet!! Isnt it named DAIMLER-Chrysler? With Mercedes owning Chrysler?

Silver350
09-09-2003, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Milw96Cobra
Watching the vid right now....

paused right after the dyno on the 03 cobra....

452rwhp isnt much for those mods.... someone needs to tune that diablo chip MUCH better. There are Cobras making 500rwhp with the same mods.


Bone stock E55 huh? Where's the open hood engine shot... and not just an internet jpeg... hmmm...


Now watching the launches on round 2

Hmmm, Cobra driver cant drive for ****, looks like he spun a good second before he even moved 5 feet.


Now taking things into comparison

Cobra :
4.6L DOHC V8 Supercharged
390hp 390Tq.... modded to 452rwhp
Weight - 3780lbs
.119 HP/Weight ratio

E55 AMG : (Stock)

5.4L V8 Supercharged
469hp 516tq.... assuming 12% drivetrain loss, it would put down 413whp
Weight - 3857lbs
.121 HP/Weight ratio

So as you can see here... it looks to be a very even match.... and would only come down to whose the better driver. And obviously, the AMG driver was better, considering the Cobra choked on the launches.... which therefore results in the Cobra losing.

Wow so defensive. Can't you just except the fact that a mustang got Own3d in a race and let it go. Not all mustangs are fast.

Yooformula
09-09-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Milw96Cobra


Now taking things into comparison

Cobra :
4.6L DOHC V8 Supercharged
390hp 390Tq.... modded to 452rwhp
Weight - 3780lbs
.119 HP/Weight ratio

E55 AMG : (Stock)

5.4L V8 Supercharged
469hp 516tq.... assuming 12% drivetrain loss, it would put down 413whp
Weight - 3857lbs
.121 HP/Weight ratio



You got some "fuzzy" math going on there bud. The Cobra hp/weight ratio is based on rwhp/weight(452/3780=.119) but the AMG hp/weight ratio is based on fwhp not rwhp(469/3857=.121), if you make your calculations fair then you would have (413/3857=.107) meaning the AMG has less hp. :flipoff:
Cobra got OWN3D:nutkick

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 02:43 PM
haha....yes, I like mercedes...in a distant cousin kind of way though. I guess I'm going to have to like them more as you start to see more of a crossover and technology sharing occur b/w the two (see chyrsler crossfire)

But my guess would be the big merc is stock as they run a good mid-12's right off the stinking showroom floor. :wow

I'm going to start looking for rich old women.... :thumbsup

Silver350
09-09-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Prince Valiant
I'm going to start looking for rich old women.... :thumbsup

Keep in mind the story you told myself and Scot about the 80 Year old. I think you know were to go :D

Milw96Cobra
09-09-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Silver350
Wow so defensive. Can't you just except the fact that a mustang got Own3d in a race and let it go. Not all mustangs are fast.

Cobra got owned in the race yes... but how about this for consideration....

That cobra... plus mods costed at most $37,000.
Whereas the AMG costs upwards around $75,000.

:nutkick


Yoo, I just noticed that myself, sorry for the error. But still, the HP/Weight ratios still are not that far off..... take into consideration of the Cobra having a shitty driver, and the results are still the same.

BAD LS1
09-09-2003, 03:05 PM
Well were are talking performance stock for stock, well in this case stock for modded not price comparos. But i do love the $3,000 Gas guzzler tax the Cobra has attached to it.

But this looks like another heated discussion perculating.
:thumbsup

Tom B

Yooformula
09-09-2003, 03:27 PM
Great vid, 2 awesome cars! Personally, I would like to own both, but I now know which one I would take to the track though:nutkick

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Silver350
Keep in mind the story you told myself and Scot about the 80 Year old. I think you know were to go :D I'll take care of her :Hump



dude....no i can't need too much:haveabeer

animal
09-09-2003, 05:24 PM
Yeah the cobra lost regardless of numbers, ratios, drivers, terrain, gremlins, etc. But the way I look at it, if you're spending THAT kind of coin on performance, it had better hand the "budget" cobra it's ass in all aspects, or else what the hell was the point?

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 05:28 PM
People purchase cars like that for performance and luxury though. Add to it prestige...and viola', merc's AMG's, BMW M series, et al.

animal
09-09-2003, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by animal
it had better hand the "budget" cobra it's ass in all aspects

Is that not what I just said?

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 05:40 PM
Yep, and here's what I just said...


Originally posted by Prince Valiant
People purchase cars like that for performance and luxury though. Add to it prestige...and viola', merc's AMG's, BMW M series, et al.

:confused



:haveabeer

JohnnyT
09-09-2003, 05:58 PM
Nice!! Not only did the AMG OWN the Cobra, chicks dig those cars much better too. Now, if only I could afford one!!! :(

animal
09-09-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Prince Valiant
Yep, and here's what I just said...
:confused


So wtf were you contesting or were you just restating the obvious?

I said all aspects. This would include: performance, luxury, prestige (though so subjective it could be argued either way), and whatever the hell else is incorporated under "all" besides the obvious price.

BAD LS1
09-09-2003, 06:05 PM
Well i wonder when fukes will get one of those hot rods?
Then we can see how they operate in person!!:thumbsup


Tom B

BAD LS1
09-09-2003, 06:42 PM
You know i cant stop watching this movie now!! and its quite amazing that the Cobra spooled up with all haste on the dyno in like a heart beat but it failed misserably in the real test of HP.
Once again this proves that its a PEAK number engine and it cant lay those kinda #'s down over a big fat curve even with a gearing advantage over the E55 to keep it more in its powerband. I vote that Ford redesign that older than dirt platform and shoe horn the S/C 5.4 that has just a scoach more grunt and actually makes more than 31 hp under the curve. But designers should stay far away from that new 3 valve motor. That thing looks like a new scorching case of herpes thats gonna burn Ford because it was rushed to market with out proper development or testing. Hmmm thats never happend before has it? My opinion is on that situation is "If it aint broke dont fix it" Run with the 2V 5.4 and turn the mother F***ing wick way up!! then they will turn some times and turn T56's into mush:devil

Tom B

Crawlin
09-09-2003, 06:47 PM
My dad's boss has one as well as an M5 :) he let's pops bring it home when he needs to use one of the company vehicles. took my buddy's 2001 GSX-R600 from a 3rd gear roll(on the bike). Very badass cars. got a sweet exhaust note too.

Chris

Crawlin
09-09-2003, 06:55 PM
also, you guys need to relax. ALL OF US. it's got this, it's got that, a better driver, a sucky driver, who the **** cares? AMG won plain and simple. i'm sure i could find a video of a mustang beating the MB somewhere on the net too. we are always gonna get into these arguments, and what's funny is, that the subject of price ALWAYS comes up. well if we want to play that game, a stock Z28 is on par with a stock '03 cobra. and there is about a $10g difference. Not worth it if you are using the same logic as what seems to be going on here?:confused

please, someone post a vid of an '03 Cobra whooping SOMETHING's ass, neon, civic, Z, T/A, anything

JC70SS
09-09-2003, 06:56 PM
As far as comparing these cars by price points and saying the e55 should own the cobra, that is missing the point. These cars are not made to be race cars, just an added bonus. My friend personally had an 02 E55 and the fit and finish is beyond belief. I don't care how much less an 03 slowbra is and how much faster it can be made w/chip and pulley's, it will NEVER have an AMG badge on it. Funny story, LS1.com has a poll in the AAG sec. and most Z06 owners said they would not have second thoughts about trading their Z06 for an E55.

BadAzzGTA89
09-09-2003, 07:08 PM
Bad ass vid i like that AMG it is pretty slick :thumbsup
But i do have to say one thing in life you get what ya pay for period:haveabeer

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by animal
So wtf were you contesting or were you just restating the obvious?
sorry, i didn't read your WHOLE post and infer what you appearently implied/intented...but seriously dude, take a chill pill. (IE: have a beer)http://forums.clubsi.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Prince Valiant
09-09-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by z28kid98
please, someone post a vid of an '03 Cobra whooping SOMETHING's ass, neon, civic, Z, T/A, anything

that is funny....

Crawlin
09-09-2003, 08:52 PM
http://www.neufamily.org/hosted%20stuff/LPEZ28.mpg

http://www.fuelslut.com/~rick/hidden/SNAKEEATERvsKillaBytes03Cobra.wmv site not found on this one anymore

http://www.fuelslut.com/~rick/hidden/SNAKEEATERvs03CobraTake2.wmv

That last one... almost had 'em :)

Chris

Crawlin
09-09-2003, 08:58 PM
FOUND ONE!!!

http://makoto.dyndns.org/rick/snakeeatervs03cobratake3.wmv

finally takes the cake versus the lid/k&n/nitto LS1 formula

http://makoto.dyndns.org/rick/03CobraFormulaSupra.wmv

another cool one, although looks as if the formula is ahead of the cobra till the finish/cameraman

CruxGNZ
09-09-2003, 08:59 PM
I love that AMG! I saw one step on it from about 65 mph on up (lost sight of him over a hill) going down to Chicago a few weeks ago and holy crap! That sucker moved! Even left faint tire marks on the road as he accelerated, reminded me of seeing my buddies built '72 Buick GS 455 pull on the highway. Crazy... BUT I can't download this video! I try to download like always, but (this has happened a few times with other videos) it wants to download as a text file:( . I then tried to download from the location in Real Player, but that won't work either. How do I download this video? TIA.

!M!

lotsals1
09-09-2003, 11:14 PM
race was longer than 1\4 mile --if you watch the dyno run on the ford they dont take it up all that high --something tells me they did that because its makeing all its power down low to where the Benz makes it all up top -true q-mile race would be very close IMO

PARALYZER
09-11-2003, 01:21 PM
Does someone have the vid. the link don't work :(

Scales
09-11-2003, 03:46 PM
Didn't work for me either...

TransAm12sec
09-15-2003, 12:08 AM
Darn, Bandwith limit exceeded.

Syclone0044
09-16-2003, 07:30 PM
Tooky to the rescue:
http://www.fbodyextreme.com/membermedia/-=Fuel%20Slut=-/03cobravsE55.wmv

PARALYZER
09-17-2003, 06:49 AM
:wow Uhhhhh...Anyone have $75,000 I could borrow? Those cars are sick!!!

Al
09-17-2003, 11:59 PM
The benz had traction control

TransAm12sec
09-18-2003, 12:04 AM
I thought traction control limited the rpms if the tires were spinning?

PARALYZER
09-18-2003, 11:24 AM
03 Cobras have traction control too

BadAzzGTA89
09-18-2003, 04:34 PM
IMO traction control sucks i know when i wanna spin those tires and that lil basterd wont let me Hell no . Oh spin i will:3gears: