Attention Firearms Enthusiasts

[73Dustr]

Got this in an email yesterday. I think it is an absolute joke in my opinion. If it's being pushed by the 'urban affairs committee', it's clear they are going after all the gang bangers, but those are the people that are never going to follow the laws anyways. What's worse, is that if this passes, it could very well open up the flood gates for all the anti-gunners out there. We all know how Doyle stands on similar issues. I plan on writing a few letters to some politicians this weekend. Seems like this has been pretty quiet because I haven't heard a thing on the news at all. If any of you guys would like the emails and addresses of the politicians to give them your input, let me know.

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Wisconsin Moves To Ban Private Firearm Sales!

Senate Bill 104, also known as LRB 0861/2, would require ALL private transfers of firearms in Milwaukee County to be conducted through a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL), and would negate Wisconsin’s current statewide firearm preemption law, that prohibits local jurisdictions from enacting laws more restrictive than state law. The bill would create a “patchwork” of local laws throughout the state and could turn unknowing law-abiding citizens into criminals.



SB 104, sponsored by Senator Spencer Coggs (D-6), has been assigned to the Senate Labor, Elections and Urban Affairs Committee chaired by Senator Coggs and could be up for a vote as soon as the Legislature returns from spring recess.

[stowsea]

nao, its for real, so start selling and buying your guns now man, i know i am

[73Dustr]

nao, its for real, so start selling and buying your guns now man, i know i am

I know it's for real, but I think it's a ridiculous idea. Look how messed up laws in California are getting. Granted California is its own little world, but still, all it takes is small things like this to get the train rolling.

[flyin_blue_egg]

that fvcking GAY!!!and im not even that into guns

[Car Guy]

I don't care how you look at it; with this subject and countless others, this country is moving farther and farther AWAY from a free country every single day.....


~~Believe it or not...!!!~~~



:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: <<< Here's to ignorant MFer's who think by controlling every part of people's lives that it will make life for all of us better.....





:headbang :headbang :headbang

[Karps TA]

Could you imagine how much it would suck to be a gun owner and a smoker? lol

[subliminal1284]

We are way overdue for a revolution, First we kick douchebag doyle out of office. Whos with me? :guns1

[Breecher_7]

How does that saying go. "If you want my guns you will have to pry them from my cold dead hands?" Yeah, i think so. Come and try, I have a class 3 firearms lisence and its not just for show. I got somthing for your ass! Get me the address or those politicians!

[flyin_blue_egg]

^^^the thing that i really hate about these laws they try to pass is that they basically try to make it illegal for law abiding citizens to have/carry/own etc. firearms or anyother type of weapons.....the said thing is, no matter what laws they pass the REAL CRIMINALS will STILL commit crimes with guns etc!!! and all these laws will do is make it so good citizens can't have a gun for protection!!!!

[Breecher_7]

all these laws will do is make it so good citizens can't have a gun for protection!!!!


TRUTH!!!!!

[73Dustr]

^^^the thing that i really hate about these laws they try to pass is that they basically try to make it illegal for law abiding citizens to have/carry/own etc. firearms or anyother type of weapons.....the said thing is, no matter what laws they pass the REAL CRIMINALS will STILL commit crimes with guns etc!!! and all these laws will do is make it so good citizens can't have a gun for protection!!!!

Hit that one right on the head!

We may not be able to toss Doyle out of office, but at least we can write the people on this urban committee and really give them our input on how ridiculous this law would be.

-Labor, Elections and Urban Affairs Committee-

Senator Spencer Coggs (D-6), Chair
(608) 266-2500 capitol
(414) 442-0739 district
Sen.Coggs@legis.wisconsin.gov


Senator Robert Wirch (D-22), Vice-Chair
(608) 267-8979 capitol
(262) 694-7379 district
Sen.Wirch@legis.wisconsin.gov


Senator John Lehman (D-21)
(608) 266-1832 capitol
Sen.Lehman@legis.wisconsin.gov


Senator Glenn Grotham (R-20)
(608) 266-7513 capitol
(262) 338-8061
Jolene.Churchill@legis.wisconsin.gov - staff

Senator Alan Lasee (R-1)
(608) 266-3512 capitol
(920) 336-8830
Sen.Lasee@legis.wisconsin.gov

[Firefighter Z]

240 is right, guns still will be used for crimes... Hows the goverment going to know about private guns sales anyways? What are they going to do, put GPS's on every gun out there. Com'on

If there was no crime the Police would have nothing to do but write Jaywalking and Spitting tickets, thus making the Unemployment rate go up and Taxes...

Everything has to have a balance.

This Goverment crap though is getting out of control, it's time that the Citizens take back the Goverment instead of the Goverment taking control of us.

Look how Old Communist Russia fell, were ending up down the same road.

[MurphysLaw88GT]

Do Not Get Me Started

[Russ Jerome]

http://hometown.aol.com/russjerome/images/sniper1.jpg

They can come and take my guns....they only need be carefull
as they get near the 1000yrd area.

Seriously as much as I like WI very relaxed firearms rules, we are
a dying state. FFL is to weed out fellons, the down side is little
gun shops want to rape your for transfers. A certain local fire
arms dealer is the source of the most recent interest in WI. A
few of us have sold firearms thru this board, cant do that in a
lot of states.....one of the few things I like about this state:wooo

Here's my supercharged pellet gun I'm doing trigger work on tonight:
http://hometown.aol.com/russjerome/images/100yardgnatkiller1.jpg

[Rocket Power]

I am buying what I can now.:headbang

[flyin_blue_egg]

yea im going to school for criminal justice, and one of my teachers always brings up stuff like this...just like when WI legistlature wouldn't pass the CC law....he was saying that even if law following citizens can't carry and conceal.....criminals will anyways

[PonyKiller87]

I read the stuff on this one and from what I understand its like Russ said, it would just require all sales to be tracked. That doesn't mean they are going to take away your guns or anything like that.

Think about this situation. Some dumb ass ghetto moron pimp shoots his ho with a brand new gun. Then sells it to his buddy for $100, that guy sells it to someone who sells it to someone until it ends up in the hands of Someone that is an honest person and has no clue about the ho that got shot with it. Now this guy gets pulled over or something and has the gun stored leagaly in his car to take it up north or something. The cops decide for whatever reason to run the number and it shows up that the gun was used to shoot someone. Now he has to try and explain that he knows nothing about it it and they have to trace it back through all those sales to get to the root of the problem.

If all sales had to go through the FFL you wouldnt ever have to worry about a used gun having a shady past.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the military, I'm in favor of the war, and I'm completely pro gun, but I think something like this isn't a bad idea because it protects inocent people from shady deals.

Think about it this way, if you want to you can call the police station and have them run the numbers on a gun you own to make sure that its clean. Do you own any that you would be worried to ask about?

[MurphysLaw88GT]

buyin parts kits like a mofo

[Breecher_7]

[QUOTE=Russ Jerome;259327]

They can come and take my guns....they only need be carefull
as they get near the 1000yrd area.

QUOTE]

I have a PSG-1 and a 700 LTR......anytime you want to shoot, let me know....

[Russ Jerome]

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I have a PSG-1 and a 700 LTR......anytime you want to shoot, let me know....

Couple surgical tools you have there! I love all the H&K stuff, my last
semi auto target was a Knight mfg (from Eugene Stoner himself!)
308 full floater with a 2.75# pull. The above pic is one of a handfull
rifles built for Smith&Wesson by Weatherby to comply with a contract
for sniper rifles (circa 1988) in 223. I'm all about some SE WI ground
squirels this spring :guns1

[73Dustr]

I read the stuff on this one and from what I understand its like Russ said, it would just require all sales to be tracked. That doesn't mean they are going to take away your guns or anything like that.

Think about this situation. Some dumb ass ghetto moron pimp shoots his ho with a brand new gun. Then sells it to his buddy for $100, that guy sells it to someone who sells it to someone until it ends up in the hands of Someone that is an honest person and has no clue about the ho that got shot with it. Now this guy gets pulled over or something and has the gun stored leagaly in his car to take it up north or something. The cops decide for whatever reason to run the number and it shows up that the gun was used to shoot someone. Now he has to try and explain that he knows nothing about it it and they have to trace it back through all those sales to get to the root of the problem.

If all sales had to go through the FFL you wouldnt ever have to worry about a used gun having a shady past.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the military, I'm in favor of the war, and I'm completely pro gun, but I think something like this isn't a bad idea because it protects inocent people from shady deals.

Think about it this way, if you want to you can call the police station and have them run the numbers on a gun you own to make sure that its clean. Do you own any that you would be worried to ask about?

I see what you are saying. Here's my issue with that: how many of those ghetto thugs can legally own a gun anyways? Gangbanger Joe isn't going to go to Gander Mountain and wait the 3 days to pull some crime. I understand that they are not taking our guns away. My issue is this: big brother knows who has what and makes more hoops for law-abiding citizens to jump through. Somebody also mentioned that these firearm transfers are not cheap. Just imagine if it's made into law, I would assume the price would go up. How about what happened with Hurricane Katrina where police were ordered to go into to homes and confisgate all their firearms. Eventually the police left town and left the citizens to fend for their own with all the looting and stuff going on. That's what worries me. I have no worries about any of the used firearms I have ever bought, but it's just another way for big brother to keep close taps on everything. The criminals are always going to be criminals and will not follow what laws are put in place.

[MurphysLaw88GT]

this is the beginning of a police state......the problem is that too many are more than willing to give away constitutional rights. Well he old addage applies (give an inch, they take a mile). **** this......rediculus.

[Rocket Power]

I deer hunted last year with an AK (and my Mosin M44) and may use my Cetme this year if it's still a rifle zone, so they can take their "it's not a sporting rifle" crap and shove it up their a$$:mad:

I am against all new gun laws I heard about and a lot of the current ones. *Newsflash* criminals do give a f*** if they are using an illegal firearm in the commission of a crime. Gun laws don't affect criminals, just law abiding citizens.

It would be nice if we had a Governor that was interested is letting citizens protect themselves like the 48 other states that have CCW, but I guess that would interfere with him taking casino money, being the teachers union's b**ch , and trying to think of a new tax everyday, i mean there are only so many hours in the day:mad:

[SSDude]

I read the stuff on this one and from what I understand its like Russ said, it would just require all sales to be tracked. That doesn't mean they are going to take away your guns or anything like that.

Think about this situation. Some dumb ass ghetto moron pimp shoots his ho with a brand new gun. Then sells it to his buddy for $100, that guy sells it to someone who sells it to someone until it ends up in the hands of Someone that is an honest person and has no clue about the ho that got shot with it. Now this guy gets pulled over or something and has the gun stored leagaly in his car to take it up north or something. The cops decide for whatever reason to run the number and it shows up that the gun was used to shoot someone. Now he has to try and explain that he knows nothing about it it and they have to trace it back through all those sales to get to the root of the problem.

If all sales had to go through the FFL you wouldnt ever have to worry about a used gun having a shady past.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the military, I'm in favor of the war, and I'm completely pro gun, but I think something like this isn't a bad idea because it protects inocent people from shady deals.

Think about it this way, if you want to you can call the police station and have them run the numbers on a gun you own to make sure that its clean. Do you own any that you would be worried to ask about?

I'm unsure of this but how often do the cops work with serial numbers to tie a gun to a crime? More often they make the connection with slug ballistics.
Either way i'll be writing these clowns this weekend.

[PonyKiller87]

I agree, Doyle sucks as and if it wasn't him being a moron we would have Conceal & Carry. The sooner we get rid of him the better, its just to bad we have a huge pot full of lefty's in Madison and all the other college areas voting for people like Doyle.

I also agree with the whole give an inch and they will take a mile, but I think with the way things are going it makes more sense to go with the Laws that make some sense like this one rather than getting stuck with something really stupid instead.

As far as cost goes, yeah it will go up a little. Go to a gun show now, some dealers will have the "private sale" guns right next to thier normal business stuff and theres usualy a pretty decent price break to get the one thats a private sale with no paper work. But think about it, if the guy is a dealer and he can do the sale legaly with all the correct paper work, why would he do a "private sale" with no paper work for any reason other than he thinks it may not be clean. As soon as you buy that gun its now your problem if its got stuff in the past.

Bottom line this is just like conceal carry, even if it goes through it wont effect what the criminals do, they will keep doing everything illegal that they used to, and yes it makes the process a little more costly or difficult for us honest people but it does help you in the long run.

[SSDude]

I sent my letters to the clowns now get busy and write yours too.

My Letter

Dear Senator's and Representatives

I've become aware of the introduction of SB104, the proposal that all handgun sales go through firearm dealers in Milwaukee county. After reading the proposed legislation I find that i have a few concerns with it.
Criminals and criminal behavior are the real problem at hand in the city of Milwaukee. As we all know criminals by definition and reality do not follow the law and could care less about this legislation as it will not stop them from getting guns!
We already have a plethora of laws on the books to deal with felons possessing guns and crimes committed with a firearm. Regularly those charges are plea bargained away when prosecuting criminals. The laws we have need to be enforced and not bargained away by prosecutors. We also need more officers on the streets of these problem neighborhoods to combat the lawlessness at hand.
Law abiding citizens will comply with laws like this but it will do nothing to reduce one crime in Milwaukee. I can envision someone having a gun stolen, reporting it stolen and if the gun is used in a crime they will be held liable for not complying with the transfer regulation.
The citizens do not need Wisconsin made into a state with a patchwork of different gun laws and regulations for each municipality.
What we need are extra severe penalties for crimes committed with firearms.
We should allow our most responsible law abiding citizens to make the streets safer by allowing them to protect themselves with concealed carry as long as they pass a background check, firearms training course and legal training on self protection.
I look forward to you supporting our right to self protection in Wisconsin.

Sincerely:fire

[MurphysLaw88GT]

+100:thumbsup

[HITMAN]

How does that saying go. "If you want my guns you will have to pry them from my cold dead hands?" Yeah, i think so. Come and try, I have a class 3 firearms lisence and its not just for show. I got somthing for your ass! Get me the address or those politicians!

You keep making posts like this on a publicly viewed message board and you wont have it for long. I have owned two legal full auto sub-guns in the past, and have been through the background checks. It's a costly procedure in both time and money, not to mention the steadily rising prices that are driving the little guy collector from the market. Don't screw your FFL up because of some emotional outburst on some local BB. Do yourself a favor and delete the incendiary language from your post. PM me that you have done so and I will change this post to something related to this subject that doesn't quote you.

PS: This is post is not meant to be critical in nature, but rather to keep you off of the radar screen of the ATF...:haveabeer

[SSDude]

You keep making posts like this on a publicly viewed message board and you wont have it for long. I have owned two legal full auto sub-guns in the past, and have been through the background checks. It's a costly procedure in both time and money, not to mention the steadily rising prices that are driving the little guy collector from the market. Don't screw your FFL up because of some emotional outburst on some local BB. Do yourself a favor and delete the incendiary language from your post. PM me that you have done so and I will change this post to something related to this subject that doesn't quote you.

PS: This is post is not meant to be critical in nature, but rather to keep you off of the radar screen of the ATF...:haveabeer

Agreed
It's always good to slap your representatives around with the truth but no need to attract the wrong kind of attention.

[USMARINE1108]

http://www.thatvideosite.com/video/4101

A little off topic, but still a good video.

[73Dustr]

As if this whole Urban Affairs Committee was not enough, I found out today in another email that our wonderful governor wants to propose on raising background check fees from $8 to $30. Time to write some more politicians.

"In a disturbing move aimed at making gun ownership more difficult and costly in the Badger State, Governor Jim Doyle's budget bill seeks to raise the fee on background checks from $8 to $30."

[Al]

If some of you are concerned about being discreet about who you sell your gun to, then you might not be thinking about what would happen to your guns if they are stolen.

Last year, my mother's friend had his hous broken into. The theif took 10 rifles, 4 shotguns, 8 handguns, and other hunting/protection equipment. The man had a gun safe, but the theif managed to break into it because he knew where the locking pins were and cut them with a cutoff tool.

Estimated value of all firearms combined was somewhere around $15k. This does not mention the 5k in electronics stolen too.

I won't say which city, but it was way out in the country where it takes a long walk to get to the neighbors' house.

I don't know the whole situation too well, but I am in favor of it.


"In a disturbing move aimed at making gun ownership more difficult and costly in the Badger State, Governor Jim Doyle's budget bill seeks to raise the fee on background checks from $8 to $30."

Not to be a thorn in your side, but what is so bad about an additional $22.

[Breecher_7]

Not to be a **** but that was a crappy safe.. I know my gun safe isnt getting cut into with a sawzall or cut off wheel without spending a few days ttrying!!!!

[73Dustr]

If some of you are concerned about being discreet about who you sell your gun to, then you might not be thinking about what would happen to your guns if they are stolen.

Last year, my mother's friend had his hous broken into. The theif took 10 rifles, 4 shotguns, 8 handguns, and other hunting/protection equipment. The man had a gun safe, but the theif managed to break into it because he knew where the locking pins were and cut them with a cutoff tool.

Estimated value of all firearms combined was somewhere around $15k. This does not mention the 5k in electronics stolen too.

I won't say which city, but it was way out in the country where it takes a long walk to get to the neighbors' house.

I don't know the whole situation too well, but I am in favor of it.



Not to be a thorn in your side, but what is so bad about an additional $22.


Well, if the theif brought tools in advance, I would assume it was someone that knew what was in the house and where it was stored. Furthermore, that's why insurance is always a good way to go because you just never know.

As far as being discreet, if you are worried about someone stealing a used firearm that you purchased, you can simply go and do a transfer through an FFL. There again, it's just another fee that is charged. A fee that will likely go up if it is made a law in Milwaukee County.

As for the increase in the background check fee from $8 to $33, that's a HUGE jump coming from the governor that said he wasn't going to raise taxes. That's what upsets me. If it increased slightly, no big deal, but triple the current amount? Come on!

[Al]

Insurance covered some of it. A few of the guns were the majority of the value stolen. There were quite a few high-end detectives checking it out due to the severity of the weapons stolen.

But really, I would not mind the documented transfer if it means that all firearms are tracked. I'm not as concerned about Big Brother as much as I am concerned about the next crack head.

[MurphysLaw88GT]

im concerned with both

[USMARINE1108]

Not to be a thorn in your side, but what is so bad about an additional $22.

It adds up. Not to mention it's your 2nd Amendment right they're charging you for.