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Flicktitty
03-11-2007, 10:52 PM
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BERLIN - An EU official called on Germany to give up the famous freedom of its highways and impose speed limits on the autobahn to fight global warming — a demand that drew angry responses on Sunday in a country that cherishes what it calls "free driving for free citizens."

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The call came as the German government makes action against climate change a priority of its current presidencies of the EU and Group of Eight.

Still, the German environment minister showed little enthusiasm for EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas' suggestion and a group representing the country's auto industry said it needed "no coaching on efficient climate protection from Brussels."

Many stretches of German autobahn lack speed limits — traditionally a cherished freedom in a rule-bound country. However, the growing concern over carbon dioxide emissions is putting that tradition under renewed scrutiny.

"There are so many areas in which we waste energy in a completely senseless way and burden the climate," Dimas told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.

"A simple measure in Germany could be a general speed limit on highways," he added, according to the newspaper. "Speed limits make a lot of sense for many reasons and are completely normal in most EU states, as in the U.S.A. — only in Germany, strangely, is it controversial."

The commissioner did not suggest a specific speed limit for Germany but in most European countries the highway speed limit is either 75 and 80 miles per hour. Britain, Latvia and Sweden have the strictest speed limit with 70 mph, according to an official EU Web site.

Dimas' comments drew a slew of largely negative responses Sunday on the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung's Internet site. One respondent described the debate as a "farce" and questioned the environmental record of Dimas' native Greece.

Another demanded "free driving for free citizens" — quoting one of Germany's most popular and well-known slogans.

Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has said Europe should take a leading role in combating climate change to set an example to the U.S., China and others, last week steered an EU summit to a bold set of measures to fight global warming.

Among several initiatives, the EU is planning to push for an increased use of energy-saving light bulbs to slash energy consumption and reduce the effects of greenhouse gases.

In Britain, the opposition Conservative Party said Sunday it is considering new taxes on air travel. In the Bild interview, Dimas also said that the EU Commission wants to raise the rates for European and trans-Atlantic flights.

However, Merkel has brushed aside previous suggestions — most recently last month — that a general speed limit on the autobahn would help fight climate change.

Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Sunday that he has "nothing against (a limit) for reasons of traffic safety" but argued that the restriction would not encourage manufacturers to produce more environment-friendly engines.

"This is a secondary front and a trivialization of the climate problem," he said at an event in Hamburg.

The German Association of the Automotive Industry, which represents an industry that includes such famous names as Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche and DaimlerChrysler, said Germany needed "no coaching" from Brussels on how to protect the climate — "above all when the proposals are only symbolic."

"The German auto industry will act on climate change where there is real potential for savings" of vehicle emissions, the group said in a statement.

A spokesman for the Transport Ministry, Dirk Inger, said a study by a federal agency had found that an overall autobahn limit of 100 kilometers per hour — or 62 mph — would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by only 0.6 percent.

Each 5 mph a car drives over 60 mph reduces fuel economy by 10 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

Inger also contended that, among European countries, only Germany had succeeded in reducing vehicle emissions.

"Symbolic politics doesn't help us move forward on climate protection," Inger said. "That goes for Mr. Dimas too."

Germans may be becoming receptive to the idea, however. Last month, a survey by the Forsa institute for Stern magazine found that 60 percent would favor autobahn speed limits to cut emissions, while 38 percent would oppose them.

The Feb. 1-2 survey of 1,001 people gave a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

"I like to drive fast on the autobahn — sometimes I drive up to 200 (125 mph) — but if it is for the sake of the environment, I don't mind slowing down," said Thorsten Einig, 36, an information technology product manager in Karlsruhe who owns a BMW.

"I think anyone with half a brain understands that we all have to change our habits in order to limit the greenhouse gases."

Reverend Cooper
03-11-2007, 10:54 PM
that sucks i really wanted at one time in my life to go there rent the fastest car i could afford and go for a ride

88Nightmare
03-11-2007, 10:58 PM
LAME! now they can issue speeding tickets and make more money. **** THE TREE HUGGERS!

Germany is such a strict country with driving. I have a few friends that are German born, and lived there for many many years. They told me it is EXTREMELY hard to get your drivers license over there, and EXTREMELY easy to use it. That is how they are able to have a highway with no speed limits over there. Imagine if they did that in this country? We wouldn't be able to dig graves fast enough

Brandon W.
03-11-2007, 10:58 PM
i dont see how going faster automaticly makes more "pollution" id think 35MPH at lets say 5000 RPM's would be putting out more gases then 80 MPH @2500 RPM...so in which case driving faster would be better for the environment? plus you would be getting to wherever your going to faster thus less running time of the vehicle.....if i ever get pulled over for speeding im gonna say im saving the environment..im lazy and didnt read the whole thing.but thats my assumption

Reverend Cooper
03-11-2007, 10:59 PM
but really when you think about it if it serves as population controol would that not cut down on emissions less people driving

GRM-REPR
03-12-2007, 10:54 AM
Oddly enough, more fuel is expended during stop and go traffic situations, not during high speed driving, the car uses its' momentum to hold a steady high speed.

I'm not into NASCAR, but isnt that wasting fuels and helping to cause global warming? Just a thought.

wikked
03-12-2007, 11:20 AM
A spokesman for the Transport Ministry, Dirk Inger, said a study by a federal agency had found that an overall autobahn limit of 100 kilometers per hour — or 62 mph — would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by only 0.6 percent.

Soooo it's pretty pointless to put a speed limit if global warming is their excuse.

Feature Pony
03-12-2007, 12:12 PM
I drove on the AutoBahn when I was in Germany in 2000. I was driving a rented BMW at 100mph in the driving rain, I got passed like I was standing still by a SL 500 and the funny thing is that I was driving slow in the right lane at 100mph!!

flyin_blue_egg
03-12-2007, 01:02 PM
thats just GAY!!

Prince Valiant
03-12-2007, 02:53 PM
i dont see how going faster automaticly makes more "pollution" Because it takes more work to overcome wind resistance at higher speed due to the exponential effect of speed. If it was linear, it wouldn't...so more work, equals more fuel burned, which equals more carbon dioxide expended...

...but then again, if one was to ask me the idea that carbon dioxide is a "pollutant" is absurd. But that's what you are going to see...keep calling it that until everyone accepts the notion that CO2 is a pollutant.

Meh. In about 5-10 years, Global warming will have passed as an "issue" just as ozone hole (turns out to be somewhat natural yearly occurance), ice age (see how that turned out), and more.

SSDude
03-12-2007, 04:59 PM
CO2 is a plants best friend:thumbsup