What engine?

[Groundpound]

Debating on what engine to stick in the 84 monte ss.
I want to lower it to take away the wells, and make a nice crusier out of it.
My problem is i dont know what engien to put in.
I dont want to take alot of crap for having a nice ride with no engien to back it up.
But yet i want it streetable.
Need opinions.
I have a stock 300 horse 327 i can rebuil or go with a 350. Do u think that would be good enough for a crusier,

[HITMAN]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/1971_Plymouth_Hemi_'Cuda_engine.jpg/250px-1971_Plymouth_Hemi_'Cuda_engine.jpg

:D

[penji04]

Whats there to debate about that? You have a good engine that needs to be freshened up and that can save you some money to put into other things such as interior, paint, rims/tires, suspension, ect. And FYI crusing is illegal:goof

[GRAMPS SS]

nice one hitman a HEMI in a chevy , good touch....and where he lives...you can cruise legally

[Groundpound]

cruising is illegal?

[penji04]

Its all bout ghost riding now:rolf

[TransAm12sec]

As far as having an engine to back it up, 300 horsepower at the flywheel isn't that much for today’s fast street car standards. However, because you're looking to cruise and you already have a 327, that may be the best option. I wouldn't be worried about getting flack from other people,

There are lots of carbed sbc builds that will get you into the 500 flywheel hp range under 6 grand. However, the cost builds from there with the fuel system, suspension, etc. Streetability is lost with a carb, however there are lots of 383 head/cam combos that would be able to make it much more streetable.

If you're looking for something to tip the scale, the 327 has a cool factor with their name and how scarce they are.

To sum it up; yes, the 327 would be suitable for a cruiser.




cruising is illegal?

Yes, it's illegal in some areas. The chances of receiving one is similar to going 5 mph over the speed limit. Where do you like to cruise?

"CRUISING PROHIBITED. Ordinance 2.22(4) It shall be unlawful for anyone to engage in cruising. For the purposes of this section, the person having control or ownership of a motor vehicle shall be considered the person cruising, without regard as to whether that person was actually driving the motor vehicle each time is passed the traffic control point. Having control or ownership of a motor vehicle shall mean either the owner of said vehicle, if present in the vehicle at the time of the violation, or, if the owner is not present, the person operating the vehicle at the time of violation.

“Cruising” shall mean driving a motor vehicle past a traffic control point on a highway in a designated area, more than twice in any two (2) hour period between the hours of 8:00pm and 5:00am. Passing a designated control point a third time under the aforesaid conditions shall constitute unnecessary repetitive driving and cruising and, therefore, a violation of this section.

“Designated area” shall mean South 108th Street from North Village Limits to the South Village Limits; West Forest Home Avenue from the East Village Limits to the South Village Limits; West Janesville Road from South 108th Street to the West Village Limits."

[Groundpound]

Thanks for the reply transam

I have a 305 now so it will still be a big step up to a 327.
Its not a 4 bolt but it is a factory forged crank.
I do have a 12 bolt with 411 i am thinking of down sizing to 373
Brand new th350 with good clutches and a shift kit.
Might even put a small cam in it heads are also a possibility.

[TransAm12sec]

Yea, anything is an upgrade from the 180 hp L69. Sounds like you have everything needed for the car already. There are a few SS's around here. My Dad has an 87 Aero, a friend of mine has an immaculate 87 Aero, and there are a few owners on the boards.

[Groundpound]

TransAM

darts a prety decent head
either the pro 1s 180cc
or the platinums 200cc
both are 2.02 1.60
thing teh 200cc might be a bit much on the 327

[Poncho]

Valiant will say it needs a Hemi. I say, anything over 305 Ci works fine. LS1!

[juicedimpss]

TransAM

darts a prety decent head
either the pro 1s 180cc
or the platinums 200cc
both are 2.02 1.60
thing teh 200cc might be a bit much on the 327

200cc would be way overkill for a "street" 327ci
that car would drive like a bag of sh1t,the small motor would never make it to where the heads make power.....

[Slow Joe]

http://www.brewcitymuscle.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4527&d=1172640733

That's Classic EP!!

[Corvette Jabo]

Thanks for the reply transam

I have a 305 now so it will still be a big step up to a 327.
Its not a 4 bolt but it is a factory forged crank.
I do have a 12 bolt with 411 i am thinking of down sizing to 373
Brand new th350 with good clutches and a shift kit.
Might even put a small cam in it heads are also a possibility.

Are you selling the 327? If so can you PM me with casting numbers and date codes from the block and heads?
Jabo

[Groundpound]

Hey Jugethis
LS6 if i was going to go through the work.
But yeah it woul be sweet either or.

[Prince Valiant]

Valiant will say it needs a Hemi.
Why would I say that?

I'd say go with the 350 as the basis and build a 383 from it since it's relatively easy and inexpensive. Heavier cars like the monte would love the extra torque the displacement would provide. The 327 is really an engine that should be sold to somone who wants to restore a classic muscle car, or for a hot-rod. There is no advantage to using it other than it's there.

It sounds like you are looking for something that is streetable, but strong...with the 383 as a basis I'd go for something like this: (and you could do this to a 350 you'd be and almost as well off)

383, true 9.5:1 compression
Modern AL heads...i'd lean toward the afr 180's, but some 190's would work well too. Sure, these heads wouldn't be the end all for out street brawling, but would give very healthy performance box-stock.
Go with an HYD flat-tappet cam with an agressive ramp such as lunati vodoo or comp XE. Using one of those two, spec a cam that puts out ~ 219-227 degrees duration @ .050. Combine that with 1.6:1 roller rockers you'll have comperable cam to a HYD roller.
Eddy Performer RPM intake
Holley 670 street avenger carb
1 5/8th headers

Combine that with a 2200-2400 rpm stall torque converter and 3.42 rear gears and you'll have a very tractable, streetable, strong engine with good vacuum at idle. One that won't embarass you at a stop light or at the drag strip. With good heads, 370hp and 420+ft-lbs of torque isn't an unreasonable thought...and that's a conservative estimate.

[Reverend Cooper]

i say a nice 383

[Groundpound]

Everyone likes pro_show_ss.
Hes a good guy

[Poncho]

damn valiant, you're a f-in guru on all. great advice there. at least 350 cubes or a 383 stroker will be a great, EASY swap, w/ alot of possibilities.

Best thing, is you can make it look stock too if you wanted to be stealth.

[Groundpound]

What is a good head for a 383?
I was thinking since it is for the street, would a good flowing 180cc do the trick.

[Poncho]

Vortec heads. :drool:

[Prince Valiant]

What is a good head for a 383?
I was thinking since it is for the street, would a good flowing 180cc do the trick. Some 180's are pretty good...but probably not the dart 180's.

The Dart's 180's flow a pretty decent 220+cfm...which isn't too bad. But, when you reference it to this chart here (http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdp.htm), you'll see that the peak power would be made at roughly 4900 rpm if cammed correctly, but would choke off shortly after.

On the otherhand, AFR street AL heads flow roughly 260cfm out of the box...considerably better than even stock LS1 heads. With this head, your engine would be able to breath considerably better and would support airflow to allow a 383 to make peak power at about 5800 rpm, and probably keep making good power up to 6000-6200rpm if cammed correctly...which will allow for far greater power production.

Production vortechs are great street heads that would do a pretty good job on a mild 383, but with flow numbers similar to the dart 180's, again, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. On top of that, you'd have to modify the heads to accept greater than .480 lift at the valves, i believe (would have to machine the guides down, etc). Either the dart's or the vortechs would be fine for an efficient cruiser though

Edlebrock makes a pretty decent head as well...not as aggressive as the AFR's, but outflows the dart's by a healthy margin and is a pretty cost-effective head.

Out of all the choices, I'd leand to the AFR's with the modern 65cc combustion chamber. Eddy second, Dart third, followed last by the vortechs.

[Groundpound]

the dart pro 1 was the ones i was looking at and flow near 260 at.500

[Lash]

x5..or 6...errr...7...whatever... on the 383

[HITMAN]

...But, when you reference it to this chart here (http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdp.htm), you'll see that the peak power would be made at roughly 4900 rpm if cammed correctly, but would choke off shortly after...


:rolf at that chart. Good find there, Cochise, I needed a laugh...:rolf

[Prince Valiant]

:rolf at that chart. Good find there, Cochise, I needed a laugh...:rolfSure thing, Hardy. :rolleyes:

[BadAzzGTA89]

AFR 195's