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mike90lxII
01-16-2007, 04:36 PM
I might pick up a 1990 eagle talon for under $2k bone stock it is a tsi.

How much power can i get out of it with a 16g turbo & FMIC?
Will I need bigger injectors?
New fuel pump?
What about tuning?

Thanks,
Mike

Junky Giorgio
01-16-2007, 07:14 PM
www.vfaq.com use it~

BigSnailBuick
01-16-2007, 07:15 PM
www.vfaq.com use it~

Almost the only site you need, good reference:)

nismodave
01-16-2007, 07:17 PM
Anyone going to warn him???? LOL:rolf

BigSnailBuick
01-16-2007, 07:19 PM
Anyone going to warn him???? LOL:rolf

LOL, the true meaning of DSM...DontStartModding. A K&N drop-in filter even causes problems:rolf

nismodave
01-16-2007, 07:24 PM
I thought it was Doesent Start Motors.

Bee
01-16-2007, 07:46 PM
dsm's are that bad??? hehe!!! :) i've seen good setups before....

Boostaddct
01-16-2007, 07:50 PM
Don't let them discourage you with all the DSM bashing. It is one of the best platforms to build off of as long as it is done correctly. AWD and turbo will hand alot of cars their a**es on the street. Just be sure to read the vfaq and dsm forums so you build it correctly. A 16G with supporting mods can reach 11s. A few things you may need with a 16G are:
190 or 255 pump
Full 3" exhaust including downpipe and port o2 housing
Port turbo and manifold
Aftermarket clutch
Boost controller
550-660cc injectors
Intake setup/K&N filter
Boost gauge
Some type of tuning/engine management

As long as the rest of the basic maintenance is done and their are no major issues you that would be a pretty good recipe for low 12s, high 11s

wikked
01-16-2007, 09:37 PM
I might pick up a 1990 eagle talon for under $2k bone stock it is a tsi.

How much power can i get out of it with a 16g turbo & FMIC?
Will I need bigger injectors?
New fuel pump?
What about tuning?

Thanks,
Mike

1990's is the freak/odd year.
I wouldn't pay $2k for one, mayyyybe $1k.

Flicktitty
01-16-2007, 10:34 PM
i thought DSM stood for DownSeveralMonths?



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But really i do like DSM's i just think they brake a tad to much for my likings.

sloLs1
01-16-2007, 10:36 PM
1990's is the freak/odd year.
I wouldn't pay $2k for one, mayyyybe $1k.


+1 for that... 1990 has some differences... but if you do your research you'll have no problem... well the little one









A DSM!:rolf

2SLOW
01-16-2007, 10:37 PM
DSM = Dam Shitty Motors

TopStreetDsm
01-17-2007, 01:01 AM
Cant complain about the DSM's personally. Its kinda like your next door neibors kid Johny... He may need alitte "extra" attention, but BOY he can make you laugh time to time. Running around with his little helmet on and falling down stairs...

Dont be too worried about the 90. Most of the differences in parts can be dealt with if it ever becomes a problem. The 16G route is a fun one. They are really fun cars on the street like that as well. AND... They dont need slicks to hook, or get blown off the freeway because they are too light, in order to run in the 11s with that turbo.

Email me if you have any questions and I will be more than willing to give you my point of view and parts, vendors, whatever.

Jake

Flicktitty
01-17-2007, 01:05 AM
Cant complain about the DSM's personally. Its kinda like your next door neibors kid Johny... He may need alitte "extra" attention, but BOY he can make you laugh time to time. Running around with his little helmet on and falling down stairs...


:rolf :thumbsup +1 that had me rolling!

rally_scort
01-17-2007, 08:27 AM
from what ive seen dsm's can be quick but not quick for long periods of time.

jbiscuit
01-17-2007, 08:44 AM
I think saying most people can get a 16G into the 11's is a bit of a stretch. It would take some STELLAR driving and one good tune to do so. And the moons would have to align and be downwind and... :)

wikked
01-17-2007, 09:30 AM
I think saying most people can get a 16G into the 11's is a bit of a stretch. It would take some STELLAR driving and one good tune to do so. And the moons would have to align and be downwind and... :)


Not really... Alot of people have gone 11's on the stock 14b :)

RedGSX
01-17-2007, 11:06 AM
Junk, don't you have a '90 lying around? :rolf

I think traction will be the only thing stopping him from getting into the 11's. But easily obtainable with that turbo. Almost makes me want to do it all over again.....ALMOST.

mike90lxII
01-17-2007, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the info guys

Junky Giorgio
01-17-2007, 11:44 PM
Junk, don't you have a '90 lying around? :rolf

I think traction will be the only thing stopping him from getting into the 11's. But easily obtainable with that turbo. Almost makes me want to do it all over again.....ALMOST.

FACK NOO! I'm done with broke a$$ dsm's ie; (1g-2g ect) Buying the EVO is actually a real car and reliable. As far as buying a 90', well thats the MUT year. Honestly if you really want a 1g, try to find a early 92' awd with the 1g big rods, big brakes, and the 4 bolt rear end. A very nice combo and a lot better to work off of especially if you have future plans of wasting your money and throwing it into the sky.

Beagle
01-21-2007, 02:02 PM
the only reason the break is because the people who drive them run to much boost. when they are built right they move. i will say the timing belt suck! lol

twicks69
01-22-2007, 10:43 AM
ZLegal - I can see that you have never owned a DSM yourself.

They are able to break on low boost too. When they are built right, they still break something sooner or later. And no, the timing belts aren't that hard to take care of -- it is just basic maintenence.

wikked
01-22-2007, 12:02 PM
FACK NOO! I'm done with broke a$$ dsm's ie; (1g-2g ect) Buying the EVO is actually a real car and reliable.

Wait til the Evo's are 20yrs old, we'll see how reliable they are :)
The 1g's & 2g's were plenty reliable brand new off the lot.

Beagle
01-22-2007, 02:13 PM
no i had a conquest that was going to get a 4g63 swap into to it. plus i've helped alot of people work on them.

Brandon W.
01-23-2007, 09:39 PM
They dont need slicks to hook


some of the time..there are street legal AWD DSM's that spin all the way through 1st and some of 2nd im related to a guy who can do this..30 psi launches FTW!?!?!...and a 16g in the 11's is very unlikely IMHO...just because some people have done it doesnt mean you will. 11's you better get something more around the size of a 50 trim. or a plain ol 20G might do it.

TopStreetDsm
01-23-2007, 11:43 PM
Comparatively to a front or rear drive they dont need slicks. Even if you can get the tires to spin... It is definitely an advantage in a street setup.

20G?... I liked the 50trim idea but its over kill for high 11s. The Evo 3 16G can be had for under 500.oo and will take a 1G dsm into the 11s fairly easily with a decent tune, FMIC, Exhaust, Pump-Injectors, clutch, cams and a good launch. Launching becomes alot easier with a 2step which can be setup in a stock ecu (if eprom) for a fairly low cost. Even buying this stuff brand new and paying full price, you will still have under 4k in the car.

Any one who even knows a dsmer knows that this stuff will be had much cheaper after low balling the hell out of enough people.

There are many people now days that have forgotten about the "free mods". I dont remember the exact number but I could have sworn that people are getting into the 11's will just these. Yeah its rare but it happens.

Brandon I am in no way trying to say you are wrong or anything. I am just saying that it can be done if you have a good platform to work with.

Jake

Teufelhunden
01-24-2007, 02:18 PM
and a 16g in the 11's is very unlikely for a newbI agree with you

There's a bunch of EVO3 16g's on NABR running 11's. First one I thought of is: Tom N's, 91 GVR-4, 11.4 @ 119, dynoed @ 413whp/430tq

mike90lxII
01-24-2007, 03:02 PM
Well I decided not to get the dsm. It was quick the way the guy had it set up, but the interior was rough and I didn't want to mess with that.

Think I'll stick to the mustangs. Might pick up a 85' Gt with 351w that has run a 12.05 with a 1.77 60' stock suspension. With a little nitrous (200 shot)
and some suspension work it should run in the low 11's maybe even 10's.

Thanks for all the great advice.

Brandon W.
01-25-2007, 10:02 PM
Brandon I am in no way trying to say you are wrong or anything. I am just saying that it can be done if you have a good platform to work with.

Jake


you are right. 11's are achievable on a 16G..but like you said you basicly will need the supporting mods to do it.and 16g's are very streetable turbo's with there quick spool up time. point in being yes you can get 11's with a 16G..but will you. not to be a jerk but probably not unless you can launch a car and know what your doing.just spend $700 or so for a used 50 trim or so and get it over with. i would also recomend atleast some 680 injectors with something to Tune(DSMLINK, or atleast an SAFC) intake..exhaust.."free mods"..FMIC and a nice Intake ( 2G mas Maybe??)....also a walbro 255 fuel pump/ and adjustable FPR...