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TopStreetDsm
03-14-2006, 10:10 AM
This is my first time to the dyno (Extreme Performance Motorsports) with the new setup. This is what we were able to get on the 12th pull.
Right Click & Save! (9.2Mb) (http://www.top-street.com/files/talonsampledynorun1.wmv)

We ended up having to stop because the bellhousing bolts started to loosen up. I plan on going back for more with a few extra engine mounts very soon.

Jake

UnderPSI
03-14-2006, 11:56 AM
That is a truly impressive car. Good luck this season. :thumbsup

wikked
03-14-2006, 12:05 PM
http://zeke.tzo.com/rpgww/misc/yalogank/zznonrpgww/signs/sign_omfg.jpg

badassery :headbang

sloLs1
03-14-2006, 01:22 PM
simply amazing!

ThatWhiteCivic
03-14-2006, 02:32 PM
Very nice looks like it's going to jump off the dyno :eek:

Bee
03-14-2006, 03:34 PM
nice jake... that 42 comes in earlier then what i thought. must be the 2.3stroker... hehe!!! when that bell housing issue gets fixed, tune that thing to 10K and you should have np bucking 9s.... :thumbsup :banana1:

Teufelhunden
03-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Holy engine twist batman. I love the Dogbox shift in the begining!!

I love it!!

UnderPSI
03-14-2006, 03:59 PM
simply amazing!

whats with the rabbit with the pancake on its head I don't get it :confused

sloLs1
03-14-2006, 05:42 PM
whats with the rabbit with the pancake on its head I don't get it :confused


i dont know... i geuss its a puzzeled and amazed look from me... also i was adding to wikked's bunny theme thing?!?!?

10k rpm dyno run please!!!

wikked
03-14-2006, 05:59 PM
whats with the rabbit with the pancake on its head I don't get it :confused

Evolved from this:

http://wikked.com/images/pancake_bunny.jpg


But back on topic... :wow :wow :wow

WilliamZ
03-14-2006, 06:15 PM
Glad to see it put down numbers!!

TopStreetDsm
03-14-2006, 11:45 PM
Thanks Guys!

I should have some more really soon here.

BTW: I dont know where you found that pic of a rabbit with a freak'n pancake on its head... But thats awesome!

Jake

Flicktitty
03-15-2006, 12:04 AM
WOW!!! AMAZING!!!!! Nice to see you put down some big numbers! I can't wait to see that thing on the street/Track

fly5150
03-15-2006, 05:53 AM
Jake, how much boost was this run at?

jbiscuit
03-15-2006, 07:43 AM
^^ curious about that also and on what fuel? C-16 I take it?

twicks69
03-15-2006, 09:08 AM
Freaking amazing powerband! Boost is extremely smooth, coming in around 4-4500rpms, and was pulling really quick to full boost by low 6000's.

500whp by 5600rpms :wooo , and 500tq by 5700rpms :wooo is freaking NUTS!!!

The power will only go up from here! :thumbsup

Great work Jake!

TopStreetDsm
03-15-2006, 10:59 AM
Hey Dave! Boost is only at 32 lbs. We had about 5 gal. of 110 stuff from the Hales corners 66, and We topped off the tank with C-16. I dont want to try and do the math on it, but it was about 50/50.

We have quiet a bit more to go, even where we are (32psi) once it is full c-16 (or better) and once we get the A/F away from the 10.2:1 range. To give you an example: the first time we raised boost (2psi)... We gained around 70 whp.

The head is not done yet as you can see, we were only going to 9k RPM. and without having all C16 in the tank, I didnt want to get too agressive with timing or too lean on A/F.

But Dave! This should make you happy to hear... The clutch didnt blink once. :headbang

Thanks Guys!

Jake

MrBigShot
03-15-2006, 01:58 PM
Your using a 2.4 motor right ? what did those come out of ? I must get one :) Can't wait to see how high you get that thing up 2 GREAT JOB !!!!!!!!!!!!! p.s. what you do with your old set up ? Email me if you still have it 4 sale ?

Berettaspeed
03-15-2006, 05:16 PM
damn good numbers....TQ wrench is your friend.. :thumbsup

BigSnailBuick
03-15-2006, 08:25 PM
So jake when you going to trade me a new turbo setup for my gsx, for my gs-t. It needs work I must warn. lol But on topic about the dyno :headbang :headbang :headbang

TopStreetDsm
03-15-2006, 09:36 PM
damn good numbers....TQ wrench is your friend.. :thumbsup


High reving, High power, Big 4 cyl. owns torque wrench. :punch:

T3/T4 PM me info about the cars and we can talk!

Jake

Berettaspeed
03-15-2006, 10:22 PM
mmm made me wonder.......how many other bolts could loosen them selfs up...

cause subs loosen crap up... that sucks. now you got to worry about things coming lose..... :stare

can't wait to see you at opening day??(GLD) im gonna try and make it

RedGSX
03-15-2006, 11:22 PM
OMG! That's awesome, congrats jake! That friggen sweet as hell. :thumbsup

TopStreetDsm
03-16-2006, 12:05 AM
Thanks RedGSX!

You know Erik... I had that same though go through my head. I think well everyone else is getting freakn blitzed this weekend, I may just safety wire every thing that could cause you know.... The engine to come out, subframe to no longer be attached, wheels to stay on, ect...


500whp by 5600rpms , and 500tq by 5700rpms is freaking NUTS!!!

My Numbers show 522.9whp, & 510.5 trq at those numbers... But who's counting! :woo:

I very much plan on being in full effect opening weekend at GLD! I will see you there!

Jake

KellY
03-16-2006, 08:28 AM
My Numbers show 522.9whp, & 510.5 trq at those numbers... But who's counting! :woo:

I very much plan on being in full effect opening weekend at GLD! I will see you there!

Jake


Jake ya smart-ass...
:banana1: <---oh **** thats the funniest thing ive seen in a long time.ahahaha

TopStreetDsm
03-16-2006, 02:09 PM
:banana1: <---oh **** thats the funniest thing ive seen in a long time.ahahaha

Are You all excited about the banana or what?

SloFarmTruck
03-16-2006, 02:11 PM
Jake much like everyone else on here already said..The car is looking great!! Cant wait to see you at the track this spring. :thumbsup

Teufelhunden
03-16-2006, 02:17 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing it run. Those ITBs still blow me away, I've never seen it on a DSM before, let alone at this power level. :rock:

:nitrous ?? You know ya wanna ;)

twicks69
03-16-2006, 02:59 PM
heck the nitrous isn't even needed -- the 42R spools so fast on the car as it is. :thumbsup

More dyno time, then track time. Lots of tuning left to do to maximize the power out of this monster.

Bee
03-16-2006, 03:25 PM
heck the nitrous isn't even needed -- the 42R spools so fast on the car as it is. :thumbsup

More dyno time, then track time. Lots of tuning left to do to maximize the power out of this monster.


again my thoughts exactly...

will jake be the first to hit 9sec AWD in WI?? or has anyone hit it yet??? I don't think anyone has!!! Beyond Redline is high 10s i believe.... big props and good luck guy :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Teufelhunden
03-16-2006, 03:37 PM
heck the nitrous isn't even needed -- the 42R spools so fast on the car....
You can never have enough.

KellY
03-16-2006, 03:48 PM
Are You all excited about the banana or what?


I AM..i think its all the exhaust from work or something..

FourEyedFord
03-16-2006, 04:27 PM
That is bad@ss Jake. Are you going to be down at Oscar's much this year?

TopStreetDsm
03-16-2006, 04:29 PM
I AM..i think its all the exhaust from work or something..

:goof HAHAHAHA!

I Have no intention of Juicing it up. I have no problem making my boost gauge cry though! :headbang

Blue smiley = boost gauge :chair: Red smiley with chair = boost level

TopStreetDsm
03-16-2006, 04:30 PM
I have been down to oscars a few times already. I plan on cruising and grabbing a bite at oscars quite a bit!

MurphysLaw88GT
03-16-2006, 07:19 PM
awesome

sloLs1
03-16-2006, 09:22 PM
that would be awesome if you went to GLD opening day... i am planning on going for sure!!! hope to see you there, or at oscar's!

fly5150
03-16-2006, 10:42 PM
Yes... GLD opening day. Maybe get 2 runs in all day. Lol. I'm gonna try and go too. See what my little old Neon can do.
Fun stuff.

MrBigShot
03-17-2006, 02:05 AM
would loveto see this car go;)

TopStreetDsm
03-17-2006, 10:46 AM
Opening day is Sat. and Sun. April 1st & 2nd. Holy-**** right... That snuck up on me too.

I would love to see the car go too... :rolf

Jake

Flicktitty
03-17-2006, 01:36 PM
^^^ so you're gonna be there right? LOL! i will!

TopStreetDsm
03-18-2006, 01:08 AM
Count me in!

DoubleAron
03-18-2006, 07:24 AM
I have a couple of questions about DSM/imports and this car in general. I know nothing about either and have never really cared to, I do think it is cool that there is one finally making some power.
My biggest question is someone said above it could break into the 9s, Is that it? For real? I'm not trying to rip on it at all, I just always thought those cars were sub 2500#s and with a curve like that with that much hp/torque I would think it would be faster than that. This is not a slam at all just something I was wondering about.

blackcar
03-18-2006, 08:20 AM
I have a couple of questions about DSM/imports and this car in general. I know nothing about either and have never really cared to, I do think it is cool that there is one finally making some power.
My biggest question is someone said above it could break into the 9s, Is that it? For real? I'm not trying to rip on it at all, I just always thought those cars were sub 2500#s and with a curve like that with that much hp/torque I would think it would be faster than that. This is not a slam at all just something I was wondering about.
Stockers are closer to 3200#, I can't speak to Jakes weight though, http://www.shepracing.com/ Here is some more sickness for ya :wow Oh yeah, props on those numbers, Jake. :devil

twicks69
03-18-2006, 08:41 AM
Well in response to your question FSTNA347:

A full weight DSM is around 3108# for a 1991-1994 AWD model Talon or Eclipse, while an AWD Plymouth Lazer weighs in at 3073#. The later models from 1995-1999 weigh in around 3157#(auto) to 3234#(5-spd) for AWD Mitsubishi Eclipses and AWD Eagle Talons, depending on transmission style (auto or 5-spd). Finally, 1991-1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR4's weigh in around 3295#. These numbers are without fuel and fluids. All of these vehicles share similar drivetrains and motors, all based off of the 4G63 2.0L Turbo AWD platform.

1991-1994 DSM's have a fuel capacity of 16 gallons, while 1995-1999 DSM's have a fuel capacity of 17 gallons. Add another 12 or so quarts of oil for the motor, trans, transfer case, and rear end. And finally 2 gallons of coolant.
So, you can add approximately 5.8# to 6.5# per gallon of gasoline, and around 2# per quart of oil, and around 8# per gallon of coolant. This equates to ~144# added to the vehicle weight of a 1G DSM, and ~150# to the weight of a 2G DSM.

The results of total weight of these vehicles are:
~3252# for a 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse,
~3217# for a Plymouth Lazer AWD,
~3307# for an auto 1995-1999 AWD Talon/Eclipse,
~3384 for a 5-speed 1995-1999 AWD Talon/Eclipse, and
~3439# for a 1991-1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR4.

The coefficient of drag on these vehicles are in the range of 0.29 and 0.30 for all models.

With 500whp, not taking into account coefficient of drag, tire expansion, gear shift duration, etc., using the total weights for the vehicles above:
10.8 seconds @125mph for a 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse/Lazer
10.9 seconds @124mph for a 2G AWD auto Talon/Eclipse
11.0 seconds @123mph for a 2G AWD 5-speed Talon/Eclipse and Galant VR-4

With 600whp, with the same details as above:

10.2 seconds @133mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
10.1 seconds @133mph 1G AWD lazer
10.2 seconds @132mph 2G auto Talon/Eclipse
10.3 seconds @131mph 2G 5-Speed Talon/Eclipse
10.4 seconds @130mph Galant VR-4

With 700whp, again...same details as above:

9.7 seconds @140mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
9.6 seconds @140mph 1G AWD lazer
9.7 seconds @139mph 2G Auto
9.8 seconds @138mph 2G 5-speed
9.9 seconds @137mph Galant VR-4

At 1000whp:
8.6 seconds @158mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
8.7 seconds @155mph 2G AWD 5-speed Talon/Eclipse

Then take into place that Jake's car weighs in around 2600#...

Ideally @ 700whp:
Jake: 9.2 @ 151mph

Ideally @ 1000whp
Jake: 8.0 @ 170mph



Here is a quick discussion. If you want longer, I have plenty more.

TopStreetDsm
03-18-2006, 11:25 AM
Thats a lot to read! :stare

To answer your question the best I know how: I Dont Know?

I have tryed to do all of the calculation and every time I do, there are so many different variables, that I just end up guessing.

I think one of the major differences with imports-domestics is that the imports are still finding what works. Im not talking to make power, but instead what is going to make the hook, go, and Stay Together! In the same way with no disrespect ment: Muscle has had almost 60 years to figure it out at this point. Many of the tricks and parts are available as common knowledge. Example: Dedenbear Power Gluides. What an awesome advancement.

Right now many of the imports have to compensate, and the know way to do it is with the power. I am working with a lot of suspension theory and what not but I am going to try and advance the import community.

As another example: By the time I am done with my head and suspension, I plan on pulling power to about 12k Rpm. And starting it about 4.5K or so. This is going to leave me with 7-8,000 Usable rpm's. Now if I can get that car to hook, that is going to be one sweet ride. If my plan doesnt work and the car blows the F up!.... Back to square one.

Right now its an 11 sec car until I do better.

Jake

DoubleAron
03-18-2006, 12:20 PM
I totally see what you are saying it was just something I thought of when I first saw your post. I just wanted to find out for my personnal knowledge.
It would be cool to see it go fast but like you said who knows, A dyno is just a tool and the real numbers that count are the ET.
Hope you get it all figured out and running well it would be cool to see.

FourEyedFord
03-18-2006, 03:19 PM
Well in response to your question FSTNA347:

A full weight DSM is around 3108# for a 1991-1994 AWD model Talon or Eclipse, while an AWD Plymouth Lazer weighs in at 3073#. The later models from 1995-1999 weigh in around 3157#(auto) to 3234#(5-spd) for AWD Mitsubishi Eclipses and AWD Eagle Talons, depending on transmission style (auto or 5-spd). Finally, 1991-1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR4's weigh in around 3295#. These numbers are without fuel and fluids. All of these vehicles share similar drivetrains and motors, all based off of the 4G63 2.0L Turbo AWD platform.

1991-1994 DSM's have a fuel capacity of 16 gallons, while 1995-1999 DSM's have a fuel capacity of 17 gallons. Add another 12 or so quarts of oil for the motor, trans, transfer case, and rear end. And finally 2 gallons of coolant.
So, you can add approximately 5.8# to 6.5# per gallon of gasoline, and around 2# per quart of oil, and around 8# per gallon of coolant. This equates to ~144# added to the vehicle weight of a 1G DSM, and ~150# to the weight of a 2G DSM.

The results of total weight of these vehicles are:
~3252# for a 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse,
~3217# for a Plymouth Lazer AWD,
~3307# for an auto 1995-1999 AWD Talon/Eclipse,
~3384 for a 5-speed 1995-1999 AWD Talon/Eclipse, and
~3439# for a 1991-1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR4.

The coefficient of drag on these vehicles are in the range of 0.29 and 0.30 for all models.

With 500whp, not taking into account coefficient of drag, tire expansion, gear shift duration, etc., using the total weights for the vehicles above:
10.8 seconds @125mph for a 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse/Lazer
10.9 seconds @124mph for a 2G AWD auto Talon/Eclipse
11.0 seconds @123mph for a 2G AWD 5-speed Talon/Eclipse and Galant VR-4

With 600whp, with the same details as above:

10.2 seconds @133mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
10.1 seconds @133mph 1G AWD lazer
10.2 seconds @132mph 2G auto Talon/Eclipse
10.3 seconds @131mph 2G 5-Speed Talon/Eclipse
10.4 seconds @130mph Galant VR-4

With 700whp, again...same details as above:

9.7 seconds @140mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
9.6 seconds @140mph 1G AWD lazer
9.7 seconds @139mph 2G Auto
9.8 seconds @138mph 2G 5-speed
9.9 seconds @137mph Galant VR-4

At 1000whp:
8.6 seconds @158mph 1G AWD Talon/Eclipse
8.7 seconds @155mph 2G AWD 5-speed Talon/Eclipse

Then take into place that Jake's car weighs in around 2600#...

Ideally @ 700whp:
Jake: 9.2 @ 151mph

Ideally @ 1000whp
Jake: 8.0 @ 170mph



Here is a quick discussion. If you want longer, I have plenty more.

:eek:


J/K

FourEyedFord
03-18-2006, 03:23 PM
Thats a lot to read! :stare

To answer your question the best I know how: I Dont Know?

I have tryed to do all of the calculation and every time I do, there are so many different variables, that I just end up guessing.

I think one of the major differences with imports-domestics is that the imports are still finding what works. Im not talking to make power, but instead what is going to make the hook, go, and Stay Together! In the same way with no disrespect ment: Muscle has had almost 60 years to figure it out at this point. Many of the tricks and parts are available as common knowledge. Example: Dedenbear Power Gluides. What an awesome advancement.

Right now many of the imports have to compensate, and the know way to do it is with the power. I am working with a lot of suspension theory and what not but I am going to try and advance the import community.

As another example: By the time I am done with my head and suspension, I plan on pulling power to about 12k Rpm. And starting it about 4.5K or so. This is going to leave me with 7-8,000 Usable rpm's. Now if I can get that car to hook, that is going to be one sweet ride. If my plan doesnt work and the car blows the F up!.... Back to square one.

Right now its an 11 sec car until I do better.

Jake

I saw the power started to level off after 6500rpm, and you want to rev it to 12000rpm and still make good power? How do you plan to do that? Its seems like you would need some pretty aggressive cams to have the motor make power up there.

FourEyedFord
03-18-2006, 03:35 PM
Just askin'. I also know zero about imports.

TopStreetDsm
03-18-2006, 03:52 PM
427: You are right. I am going to need some agressive cams. The Power leveling off is due to boost coming down slightly. Amazingly 1-2psi is around 60-70 hp difference. Also 10.2:1 A/F is hard to burn at that kind of RPM.

I already have my game plan and Im working towards it. I was wondering when someone was going to point the powerband out.

Either way, We've only Just begun!

Jake :headbang

FourEyedFord
03-18-2006, 04:20 PM
427: You are right. I am going to need some agressive cams. The Power leveling off is due to boost coming down slightly. Amazingly 1-2psi is around 60-70 hp difference. Also 10.2:1 A/F is hard to burn at that kind of RPM.

I already have my game plan and Im working towards it. I was wondering when someone was going to point the powerband out.

Either way, We've only Just begun!

Jake :headbang

10.2:1 is pig rich, mine broke up in the higher rpms last year with that air/fuel. Should be a good amount of power left there.

I am just speaking from what I am doing with my car. I want my motor to make power to 7500rpm this year, and the cam for me to do that is massive. Granted your motor has much less cubic inches than mine, but 12,000rpm is spinning hard. How big do import cams go: lift and duration? (You don't have to give your exact cam specs)

TopStreetDsm
03-18-2006, 04:34 PM
Right now its the standard HKS 272deg cams. Thats 9.8mm lift. For everyone on this side of the planet: .386 "

FourEyedFord
03-18-2006, 04:50 PM
Right now its the standard HKS 272deg cams. Thats 9.8mm lift. For everyone on this side of the planet: .386 "

Is that lobe lift?

Berettaspeed
03-18-2006, 05:35 PM
think one of the major differences with imports-domestics is that the imports are still finding what works. Im not talking to make power, but instead what is going to make the hook, go, and Stay Together! In the same way with no disrespect ment: Muscle has had almost 60 years to figure it out at this point. Many of the tricks and parts are available as common knowledge. Example: Dedenbear Power Gluides. What an awesome advancement.

X2^

yes this is true, but i would not use imports or domestics but more of solid axle Vs drive axles for the most part...or RWD Vs FWD, but some RWD are not solid axles... drive axles just suck..

TopStreetDsm
03-19-2006, 08:53 PM
I think CV style axles have there advantages. I also think people have not made them work to the same extent as the solid axles.

So ?... We will see what the industry has in the future.

Jake

SpdRcrZ
03-21-2006, 02:16 PM
:wooo Damn Jake, that is some crazy sheit. :wooo Can't wait to see it on the track.

We should be down there with our Turbo Canabeer opening weekend (sunday)

Bee
03-21-2006, 05:55 PM
hehe you guys have so much time on here... cool :thumbsup

AWD will defintely benefit... when we were 1900lb@635whp we couldn't ever hook up....due to FWD and sh1tty suspension... cars similar to ours around the nation have seen 9.40s@150-155mph easily!!! we only managed a slow 10.1@high 140s...with a 1.8s 60ft!!! :crying If Jake can plant that car off the line with an awesome launch we'll see an easy 9sec whether low 9s or high 9s.. 9s would be fantastic either way!!!! :thumbsup

Bee
03-21-2006, 06:01 PM
:)
I have a couple of questions about DSM/imports and this car in general. I know nothing about either and have never really cared to, I do think it is cool that there is one finally making some power.
My biggest question is someone said above it could break into the 9s, Is that it? For real? I'm not trying to rip on it at all, I just always thought those cars were sub 2500#s and with a curve like that with that much hp/torque I would think it would be faster than that. This is not a slam at all just something I was wondering about.


it's actually more then that sir... Imports/4cyls are actually nothing similar to V8 power. V8s are instant power and then slightly flat lines. where as for imports we have to build and shift gears somtimes 5 times(5spd). If you can get your hands onto a G-Force and shorten the gears up a bit 4cyl import can actually utilize most of the topend power and KICK BUTT..... The ticket to 8-9sec is suspension and tranny/gearing...... :thumbsup almost forgot about driving skills too....definitely can't rule that out :)

700whp V8 isn't the same as 700whp 4cyl... no no no!!! if same weight and everything pretty much similar the v8 would more then likely dominate in acceleration...1/4mile thingy... :)

Al
03-21-2006, 11:34 PM
That car is something else!

The 4 valves make a huge difference for power @ rpm too.

As for the engine power band, I remember how my old mustang was just so responsive to throttle down low. With my integra, it does have a good proportional amount of tourque down low, but once the rpms build, the torque increases a bit and you really get the sense of being 'in the powerband.' My mustang did not do that at all.

TopStreetDsm
03-22-2006, 01:06 AM
Yeah... It is a different world when you are building peak torque above 6k. I think its cool to look at the differences in the engine designs. When one is shifting, the other is hitting boost. When one is spinning the tires, the other is breaking.... All the Good stuff!

Berettaspeed
03-22-2006, 09:51 AM
That car is something else!

The 4 valves make a huge difference for power @ rpm too.

As for the engine power band, I remember how my old mustang was just so responsive to throttle down low. With my integra, it does have a good proportional amount of tourque down low, but once the rpms build, the torque increases a bit and you really get the sense of being 'in the powerband.' My mustang did not do that at all.



sorry to jack you thread
what kind of mustang did you drive????? its because the mustang most likely is already at its peak TQ most of the rpm band... same with HP... so you don't feel like its getting any faster. in peaky powerband cars you can feel the difference because its so spread out.

Al
03-22-2006, 10:37 AM
88 GT vert

TwIzTiD Si
04-11-2006, 08:01 PM
Great job, it's nice when hard work and effort put out 701.5hp.