History behind this car?

[98whitegpgt]

Plymoth Beliverder i believe. Its been sitting since 72 when they drove it back and parked it.
Does anyone have pics of a restored one? What are these worth restored?

Heres a few pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/98whitegpgt/montana092.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/98whitegpgt/montana019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/98whitegpgt/montana018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/98whitegpgt/montana017.jpg

[946speedz]

google is our friend for pics
google pics (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Plymouth+Belvedere+&spell=1)

[USMARINE1108]

That is awesome!

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6340/plymouthbelvedere4uo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Could be a fun project.

[Syclone0044]

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6340/plymouthbelvedere4uo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
What is that, and why do they do that? Is that an "altered wheelbase"? :confused

[Prince Valiant]

It is, without a doubt, NOT a belvedere...but a 1962 Plymouth Savoy
http://www.calcruisingauctions.com/images/62ply1-1.jpg

http://www.calcruisingauctions.com/images/62ply1-5.jpg

http://www.calcruisingauctions.com/images/62ply1-3.jpg

http://www.calcruisingauctions.com/images/62ply1-8.jpg

As you can tell from the looks, it was a total sales FLOP!

Howver, it is a car that really helped mopar start it's legend in the drag racing wars of the time...for two reasons.

1. The "Max Wedge" engines...you could get a stage 1 or a stage II...the diference was 10.5:1 CR or a 13.5:1 CR and cam timing. Using the cross ram indution and cast iron long tube headers these were THE engine to beat. The low output version was rated at 415hp, the high output was 425 (as most of the big gun engines were at the time). First two years I believe were 413's, the next couple were 426wedges...the precurser to the 426 Hemi.

2. They were lightweight. They were the first large car built in the US to employ unibody construction AND while they were considered a "large" car, they were actually intermediates.

Why is #2 significant? Well, in those days you could only get large block, high hp performance in a LARGE car. Most featured a 120inch wheelbase...whereas the plymouth and it's counterpart at dodge featured a 116inch wheelbase...this might not seem significant, but to the buying public it was. "Hey, if I'm going to get a full-size, then damnit, I want a full-size!"

But clearly the unibody and smaller chasis paid off at the drag strip...while other engines of the time (ford 406, chevy 409, pontiac 421, etc) were very powerful too, they had to power higher weight vehicles...

AND when we think of the definition of a "muscle car" the general consensus is "Two door, intermediate size car, with a high HP large block V8" to which most say the first was the pontiac GTO. However, by that definition, it was really the Plymout Savoy/Dodge Dart/330 twins...

...now, sure, the cars WEREn'T attractive and didn't capture the imagination of the youths at that time...so no one considered the car a "phenomon" that the GTO was...but by the definition, it was ahead of it's time.

Most savoy's came with Poly 318's, a "small" largeblock that is the precurser to the 318 of mopar fame latter on. Neat thing about that engine was that there was a 290hp, dual quad version. AND as near as I can tell, it was the first to use an inline, but canted valve arrangement "ala" chevy "Rat" engines like the 396/427/454.

Otherwise, the 361 lowdeck large block (RB), 383 RB v8 were also available...in two barrel, four barrel, and in some cases, dual quad version.

They used a revolutionary for the time, but simplistic now "push button" tranny. Full manual control was afforded at the push of a botton. Uses the 727 auto...Mopar was one of the few companies at that time that would put in a 3 speed auto in ALL of it's cars, not just special performance and high end cars.

Also features the very durable 8 3/4 rear end...and early, but still very strong version of it. Wide range of gears from 2.76-5.13's were available to order, and are readily available today.

It would make a terribly fun project to take that, rebuild the tranny as to retain the push-button feature, get it looking as good as the one above, drop a 440 or 496 based 440, mild gears and just enjoy. It was these cars that were racing at the initial rise in drag racing's popularity, and it was neat because ANYONE could go in and plop down the cash for a full on race car.

Was the first of the "stock" cars to break into both the 11's and 10's I think...

[Crawlin]

yeah, but they make the SWEETEST altered wheelbase cars. that's a dream car of mine, a '63 or '64 Savoy in the typical drag stance setup.

http://www.lhmopars.com/images/B-1963_Plymouth_SavoyPolice_RearRight.jpg


this '64 is what my dream would be!!

http://www.nicholsonrestoration.com/photogallery/64%20savoy.JPG

[Prince Valiant]

added more history above^^

[Cryptic]

damn your a book Chris :stare

[Prince Valiant]

damn your a book Chris :stareI know. My head hurts most of the time :(


:goof

[Prince Valiant]

What is that, and why do they do that? Is that an "altered wheelbase"? :confusedLooks like a "highboy" Josh...it was a popular mod, to help lighten a vehicle, and an extreme aid for weight transfer was to put a solid axle for a van into their cars. The leaf springs would give a nose up attitude all the time...as even the slicks of that era were horrendous and probably were outperformed by the current skinny snow tires I run.

You usually don't see alot of mopars with a conversion like that, as to get the nose up pretty high is just to crank the torsion bars up...that's part of what I use to get sub 2.0 sixty foot times...

[98whitegpgt]

From what i remember, this has a stright 6 in it. Interior was basicly crap. Chrome was in good condation. What do you guys think this car would sell for around here? 2k maybe?

[Prince Valiant]

225 /6 and is does matter to the mopar guys to say slant six...you'll be lynched for saying straight six.

2k would be very optimistic for that car...but if the right buyer comes along....

[pOrk]

Looks like a gasser

[BAD LS1]

225 /6 and is does matter to the mopar guys to say slant six...you'll be lynched for saying straight six.

2k would be very optimistic for that car...but if the right buyer comes along....

Leaning tower of power :D You remember that slant six build up in HOT ROD a few years back?? they got one to low 14s on motor then they sprayed if my memory serves me right.

[98whitegpgt]

so i dont suppose anyone knows anyone who might want this car???

[Prince Valiant]

Well, I might want the car....but definitely not for 2000 dollars....way too much work to get it where I need to be.

Hey Tom...I think HotRod's build was getting mid/higher 14's...they were laughed at by most the slant six guys for needing the nitrous to get into the 13's. (13.7's iirc) There are a couple of guys that run 13's locally with all-motor slants, and into the 12's on the gas...there is one guy who runs 9's with a tricked out turbo slant.

It does take alot to get the slant's that fast though...my brother and I did some basic stuff to a slant (electronic ignition, good curve, headers) with stock 1 barrel carb and a three-on-the-tree and 3.23's got 17.8's in a intermediate sized B-body Belvedere...got 24mpg in that thing though.

[92lxcoupe]

I thought the "B" was the low deck (350, 361, and amlost all 383) and the "RB" was the tall deck(a few 383s, 413, 426, and 440) big block.

[Prince Valiant]

Doh! you are right...don't know why I put RB on it... R stands for "raised".

Interestingly enough, you got it right by designating "RB" for some 383's...

[92lxcoupe]

I actually used to be kind of a Mopar guy. I had a '96 V8 Dakota that I ordered w/o air or any power options, but with the 3.91 sure grip axle. It ran 14.91 @90mph stock, and it used to piss off a lot of Dakota R/T owners. I have always wanted (and still kind of do) a '70 'Cuda.